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antiaging
The Lord Jesus made the following statements so they are true.

Mark 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things [are]
possible to him that believeth.

Matthew 17:19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?
Matthew 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for
verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall
say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove;
and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

Matthew 21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If
ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this [which is done] to
the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed,
and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.
Matthew 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer,
believing, ye shall receive.

Mark 11:21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master,
behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.
Mark 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Mark 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this
mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not
doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall
come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
Mark 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye
pray, believe that ye receive [them], and ye shall have [them].

Mark 5:35 While he yet spake, there came from the ruler of the synagogue's
[house certain] which said, Thy daughter is dead: why troublest thou the
Master any further?
Mark 5:36 As soon as Jesus heard the word that was spoken, he saith unto
the ruler of the synagogue, Be not afraid, only believe.

Faith in the name of Jesus:
Acts 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.
Acts 3:16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man
strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him
this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Luke 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the
devils are subject unto us through thy name.


God has granted Christians much power through unwavering belief.
Are you using it?

Use unwavering belief to destroy the works of the devil. Use unwavering
belief to heal the sick, cast out devils in Jesus name, and rebuke or stop
evil men in their purposes and do supernatural things.

Since faith is only belief, if you believe that you have enough faith, then
you do have enough.
Jesus mentioned a mustard seed of faith, can work miracles. The mustard seed
is a very small seed. Indicating that any amount of faith that you have is
enough.

Explanation:
If you believe that you have enough faith, (to work a miracle) and you
continue to believe that you have enough faith, without wavering, then you
do have enough faith and the miracle should happen. Since faith is just
belief, if you believe you have enough, then you do.

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
John 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
John 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth [them]; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
Proverbs 3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Seeking to do God's will is of prime importance. It is the Words of Jesus and the other inspired writers of the New Testament that show what God's will is, conscerning the topics discussed. In the words of Jesus about using faith to do miracles, it is as if God has given Christians the option to choose whether or not to work a miracle using faith, depending on whether or not they will really believe it or not. Note: He told these things to His disciples that were following Him and seeking to do God's will already. People that seek God's will and live according to the New Testament have some discernment about whether or not it is proper to do a miracle. But this must not be used for evil purposes.
Working miracles that are against God's will can be considered a form of sorcery, which the bible considers to be a sin.
James 4:3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
If you ask for something in prayer that is contrary to God's will, don't expect to receive it. That verse shows that if you ask for something amiss, you won't get it.
If you are going to attempt to use faith to do something supernatural, consider first if it would be Christian like to do that sort of thing. Things like walking on water, like Peter did before he doubted, or cursing a fig tree, seem to be in a class of miracles that are neither morally good or morally bad, it just is not a moral issue at all. A Christian may do these sorts of things by faith without worrying whether or not it is pleasing to God. The words of Jesus seem to give you the option of whether or not you want to do this sort of miracle. But you would need unwavering belief that it will really happen to see it happen.
After I got saved I experimented with using faith to cause things to happen. I told the rain to stop or slow down at times and I saw it happen. There were times when the TV would go bad and I would tell it to clear up, and it did in a short while. There were also times when this sort of thing did not work.
Once I told a roach to go in a certain direction and decided to believe without a doubt that it would go in that direction no matter what I saw it do. It moved in several different directions, and then ran off fast in the direction that I told it to go.
I had a mo ped in my room and I would command the front wheel, which was up in the air to turn, and I chose to believe that it would. After watching it for awhile and it did not turn, I would simply move on to other things. But later, maybe a few days later, I would be sitting in my room and the wheel would just turn by itself about once around and stop. That happened several times.
Like I said, I used to experiment with using faith after I read those words of Jesus. I have a scientific background and experiment with things.
Doing those sorts of things using faith is not a moral issue. It is in the class of miracles that you have the option of either doing or not doing, according to the way that Jesus stated it.
This guy at work told me that He wanted to get back with his wife. I told him that I would pray about it and believe without a doubt that they would get back together. He said what should he do, or something like that? I said I will just believe to make it happen, he didn't need to do anything. About 2 weeks later he said his wife, who he had not spoken to for about 2 years, called him on the phone and said she was not happy with her life at that time and wanted to get back with him. He said it was really a surprise to him.
Now that sort of miracle seems to have a good moral purpose.
Commanding the rain to stop, or a roach to go in a certain direction does not involve morals and that sort of miracle you simply have the option of doing or not doing depending on whether or not you can believe.
That is the way that I understand it, from the bible.

What a person exercises gets stronger. If a personal exercises faith then he will have faith.
If a person exercises doubt then he will have doubt.
Faith enables a person to do the supernatural. Doubt prevents a person from doing the supernatural.

[Keep your doubt to yourself. I don't want your limitations.]
Yelekiah
QUOTE(antiaging @ Oct 24 2005, 11:47 AM) [snapback]900712[/snapback]

Mark 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things [are]
possible to him that believeth.

I agreed with this one up top, so I didn't find it necessary to read the rest (I will later though). Not sure if Genesis 11 was lurking in here, but it talks about how nothing is impossible for those who imagine, or will things to happen in other words. So these individuals had to be scattered. I like to imagine that it was because they would become greater than their "creators".
Charlie Mike
He also said that if believers prayed for something, it would be granted....so not true or else this world would be a paradise.
antiaging
QUOTE(Charlie Mike @ Oct 24 2005, 02:44 PM) [snapback]901129[/snapback]

He also said that if believers prayed for something, it would be granted....so not true or else this world would be a paradise.


You need to look at all of the scriptures. The words of Jesus are true when they are understood correctly. [All of the scriptures must be taken into account and they don't contradict each other when understood correctly.]

James 4:3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
If you ask for something in prayer that is contrary to God's will, don't expect to receive it. That verse shows that if you ask for something amiss, you won't get it.

Jesus spoke those words to believers, about praying for something and getting it, and the assumption is that true believers are going to be led by the Holy Spirit, and they are not going to ask for anything that is contrary to God's will to consume it on their own lusts.
Does the bible say that this world is going to be a paradise, before Jesus comes back? No it does not. Jesus said there would be wars and rumors of wars, eathquakes and pestilences in diverse places: He called this sort of thing the beginning of sorrows.
Since most of mankind is living in sin and disobeying God on a regular basis, God is going to bring punishments on the world because of that sin and both the words of Jesus and the book of revelation show that. Asking God to make the world a paradise, when most of it is subject to punishment for sin, is asking for something that contradicts the words of the bible and God's will.
Paradise or eternal happiness will be granted to the true Christians after they die, or after Jesus returns with an army of angels to take over the world by force.
It is the eternal reward given to the true Christians that is called heaven.

And again I say: Keep your doubts to yourself. I don't want to have your limitations.

RedRaider9981
What I want to know is if there is "God's Will" and the "Divine Plan," etc., then why even bother praying in the first place? If you want to pray for something, fine. But God's going to do whatever he wants to anyway. Can't we just skip the praying part and go straight to His Will?
fawkes2
QUOTE(RedRaider9981 @ Oct 24 2005, 09:34 PM) [snapback]901565[/snapback]

What I want to know is if there is "God's Will" and the "Divine Plan," etc., then why even bother praying in the first place? If you want to pray for something, fine. But God's going to do whatever he wants to anyway. Can't we just skip the praying part and go straight to His Will?

l once heard a joke saying;
'if you want to hear god laugh , just tell him what you are going to pray about' grin2.gif
(sorry l know that this has nothing to do with this thread , but l had to post it for a laugh)
Infrazael
QUOTE(antiaging @ Oct 24 2005, 08:47 AM) [snapback]900712[/snapback]

The Lord Jesus made the following statements so they are true.

Mark 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things [are]
possible to him that believeth.

Matthew 17:19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?
Matthew 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for
verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall
say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove;
and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

Matthew 21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If
ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this [which is done] to
the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed,
and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.
Matthew 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer,
believing, ye shall receive.

Mark 11:21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master,
behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.
Mark 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Mark 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this
mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not
doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall
come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
Mark 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye
pray, believe that ye receive [them], and ye shall have [them].

Mark 5:35 While he yet spake, there came from the ruler of the synagogue's
[house certain] which said, Thy daughter is dead: why troublest thou the
Master any further?
Mark 5:36 As soon as Jesus heard the word that was spoken, he saith unto
the ruler of the synagogue, Be not afraid, only believe.

Faith in the name of Jesus:
Acts 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.
Acts 3:16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man
strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him
this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Luke 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the
devils are subject unto us through thy name.
God has granted Christians much power through unwavering belief.
Are you using it?

Use unwavering belief to destroy the works of the devil. Use unwavering
belief to heal the sick, cast out devils in Jesus name, and rebuke or stop
evil men in their purposes and do supernatural things.

Since faith is only belief, if you believe that you have enough faith, then
you do have enough.
Jesus mentioned a mustard seed of faith, can work miracles. The mustard seed
is a very small seed. Indicating that any amount of faith that you have is
enough.

Explanation:
If you believe that you have enough faith, (to work a miracle) and you
continue to believe that you have enough faith, without wavering, then you
do have enough faith and the miracle should happen. Since faith is just
belief, if you believe you have enough, then you do.

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
John 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
John 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth [them]; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
Proverbs 3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Seeking to do God's will is of prime importance. It is the Words of Jesus and the other inspired writers of the New Testament that show what God's will is, conscerning the topics discussed. In the words of Jesus about using faith to do miracles, it is as if God has given Christians the option to choose whether or not to work a miracle using faith, depending on whether or not they will really believe it or not. Note: He told these things to His disciples that were following Him and seeking to do God's will already. People that seek God's will and live according to the New Testament have some discernment about whether or not it is proper to do a miracle. But this must not be used for evil purposes.
Working miracles that are against God's will can be considered a form of sorcery, which the bible considers to be a sin.
James 4:3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
If you ask for something in prayer that is contrary to God's will, don't expect to receive it. That verse shows that if you ask for something amiss, you won't get it.
If you are going to attempt to use faith to do something supernatural, consider first if it would be Christian like to do that sort of thing. Things like walking on water, like Peter did before he doubted, or cursing a fig tree, seem to be in a class of miracles that are neither morally good or morally bad, it just is not a moral issue at all. A Christian may do these sorts of things by faith without worrying whether or not it is pleasing to God. The words of Jesus seem to give you the option of whether or not you want to do this sort of miracle. But you would need unwavering belief that it will really happen to see it happen.
After I got saved I experimented with using faith to cause things to happen. I told the rain to stop or slow down at times and I saw it happen. There were times when the TV would go bad and I would tell it to clear up, and it did in a short while. There were also times when this sort of thing did not work.
Once I told a roach to go in a certain direction and decided to believe without a doubt that it would go in that direction no matter what I saw it do. It moved in several different directions, and then ran off fast in the direction that I told it to go.
I had a mo ped in my room and I would command the front wheel, which was up in the air to turn, and I chose to believe that it would. After watching it for awhile and it did not turn, I would simply move on to other things. But later, maybe a few days later, I would be sitting in my room and the wheel would just turn by itself about once around and stop. That happened several times.
Like I said, I used to experiment with using faith after I read those words of Jesus. I have a scientific background and experiment with things.
Doing those sorts of things using faith is not a moral issue. It is in the class of miracles that you have the option of either doing or not doing, according to the way that Jesus stated it.
This guy at work told me that He wanted to get back with his wife. I told him that I would pray about it and believe without a doubt that they would get back together. He said what should he do, or something like that? I said I will just believe to make it happen, he didn't need to do anything. About 2 weeks later he said his wife, who he had not spoken to for about 2 years, called him on the phone and said she was not happy with her life at that time and wanted to get back with him. He said it was really a surprise to him.
Now that sort of miracle seems to have a good moral purpose.
Commanding the rain to stop, or a roach to go in a certain direction does not involve morals and that sort of miracle you simply have the option of doing or not doing depending on whether or not you can believe.
That is the way that I understand it, from the bible.

What a person exercises gets stronger. If a personal exercises faith then he will have faith.
If a person exercises doubt then he will have doubt.
Faith enables a person to do the supernatural. Doubt prevents a person from doing the supernatural.

[Keep your doubt to yourself. I don't want your limitations.]


Those in the Occult have understood Faith as an EXTREMELY POWERFUL tool that can be harnessed, utilized, shaped, molded, and commanded.

Why do you think the Catholic Church has so much power? Faith. . . . .

Yet, commanding Occult powers does not even rely on Faith. Putting Faith as "necessary" is in itself a Limitation.

"Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted, thus Everything is Ture, and Nothing is Permitted."
pallidin
QUOTE(Infrazael @ Oct 24 2005, 10:25 PM) [snapback]901657[/snapback]

Those in the Occult have understood Faith as an EXTREMELY POWERFUL tool that can be harnessed, utilized, shaped, molded, and commanded.


You say that Faith is an EXTREMELY POWERFUL tool. Please elaborate. Then you suggest that there is something even better.
Charlie Mike
QUOTE
James 4:3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

I am sure those small children being abused, tortured and molested were praying amiss! Face it your fairy tales are just that - fairy tales.
Infrazael
QUOTE(pallidin @ Oct 24 2005, 09:50 PM) [snapback]901707[/snapback]

You say that Faith is an EXTREMELY POWERFUL tool. Please elaborate. Then you suggest that there is something even better.


I never said there is something better. Merely that Faith is not the ONLY tool required to achieve results.
Yelekiah
QUOTE(Infrazael @ Oct 25 2005, 10:54 AM) [snapback]901970[/snapback]

achieve results.

And doubt incidentally, can destroy one very quickly. You either have total faith or total doubt to get "total" results, in my opinion. You do something half-way, and what do you get? Half-way results of course.
antiaging
QUOTE(Charlie Mike @ Oct 25 2005, 06:17 AM) [snapback]901856[/snapback]

I am sure those small children being abused, tortured and molested were praying amiss! Face it your fairy tales are just that - fairy tales.


2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

[god of this world in that verse, with a little g is referring to Satan.]
antiaging
QUOTE(Infrazael @ Oct 24 2005, 10:25 PM) [snapback]901657[/snapback]

Those in the Occult have understood Faith as an EXTREMELY POWERFUL tool that can be harnessed, utilized, shaped, molded, and commanded.

Why do you think the Catholic Church has so much power? Faith. . . . .

Yet, commanding Occult powers does not even rely on Faith. Putting Faith as "necessary" is in itself a Limitation.

"Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted, thus Everything is Ture, and Nothing is Permitted."


Revelation 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

Practicing the occult is practicing a form of sorcery. Practicing sorcery is a sin like murder or fornication and can get you thrown in eternal hell fire.
People need to repent of the occult.
Mythra
QUOTE
[god of this world in that verse, with a little g is referring to Satan.]

Or it is taking an idea from the dualistic tenets of Zoraosterism that the Jews copied when they were in the Babylonian exile, just as their descendant religion copied the religion of my Lord Mithra.
Infrazael
QUOTE(antiaging @ Oct 25 2005, 01:20 PM) [snapback]902557[/snapback]

Revelation 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

Practicing the occult is practicing a form of sorcery. Practicing sorcery is a sin like murder or fornication and can get you thrown in eternal hell fire.
People need to repent of the occult.


Ummm . . . . . you apparently have NO idea what you're talking about.

But OK, I'm willing to listen.

*puts on headphones and listens to Lacuna Coil*

You know, it's interesting. Do you even know what "Occult" means? I doubt it very much.

You take your power from the Judeo-Christian-Judeo god. I take mine from him, Set, Isis, Odin, and even Bugs Bunny should I feel so.

See the difference? While you limit yourself to one deity, I expose myself to all of the untapped power potentials I feel like.

The results, when compared, are usually very different.

And please, don't use anymore of that abusive "burn in hell" language. I don't find it very intelligent or spiritual to any extent.
antiaging
QUOTE(Infrazael @ Oct 26 2005, 11:57 AM) [snapback]903944[/snapback]

Ummm . . . . . you apparently have NO idea what you're talking about.

But OK, I'm willing to listen.

*puts on headphones and listens to Lacuna Coil*

You know, it's interesting. Do you even know what "Occult" means? I doubt it very much.

You take your power from the Judeo-Christian-Judeo god. I take mine from him, Set, Isis, Odin, and even Bugs Bunny should I feel so.

See the difference? While you limit yourself to one deity, I expose myself to all of the untapped power potentials I feel like.

The results, when compared, are usually very different.

And please, don't use anymore of that abusive "burn in hell" language. I don't find it very intelligent or spiritual to any extent.


Set, Isis, and Odin are false idols --- they are false gods that don't exist and never did.
The true God is the God of the bible.
Fluffybunny
QUOTE
The true God is the God of the bible.


...In your opinion.

I always get a kick out of folks from any religous sect who bash another religion for their spiritual beliefs and practices.

In example, christians bash pagans for being heathens practicing a false mythical religion to false imaginary gods with rediculous practices...

...then moments later pray to a god that they have never seen or met, attend a church event where people are miraculously healed by a preacher and speak in tounges when overwhelmed by "the spirit".

After that, they preach to absolute strangers about how their god of infinate love is going to allow his most loved creations to spend an eternity in unbelievable anguish in hell for perceived sins.

Later in the day they read about the idea that at some point in the future millions of their believer are going to be wisked away and magically ascend to an unkown heaven while a devil tortures the rest of mankind(The ones that he has a perfect love(Agape) for and created in his image.

I could go on with all of the mythology of the bible, but my point is that every religion today is as odd as were the pagans, romans, greeks and so on.

You are all wierd in your own way, and all entitled to your own beliefs. Just because you have your own beliefs does not mean that you are right and everyone else is wrong.
SilverCougar
QUOTE(antiaging @ Oct 28 2005, 07:25 PM) [snapback]907352[/snapback]

Set, Isis, and Odin are false idols --- they are false gods that don't exist and never did.
The true God is the God of the bible.


Boy you're lucky Fluffy stepped in.

People wonder why my irish get's raised up at a ..few.. christians.. here..

Meet your prime reason.

Funny calling gods whe were worshiped LONG before the biblical god was false idols...

*shakes her head*


Yes Fluffy.. we're all weird. Being normal would be boring X)
Infrazael
QUOTE(antiaging @ Oct 28 2005, 12:25 PM) [snapback]907352[/snapback]

Set, Isis, and Odin are false idols --- they are false gods that don't exist and never did.
The true God is the God of the bible.


You realize that alot of Christianity, the idea of Jesus was BASED off of the tale of Osiris?

LONG BEFORE your Judeo-Christian-Islamic beliefs came into being, Osiris was called the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords.

Your foolish Christianity took an ancient saying and started to apply it to your false religions.

Your "God" is false and made up by people to control the masses.

It is a false god, and it has no power.

It is written all over ancient Egyptian texts that THEIR gods are the only real ones, and that ALL OTHER gods are false ones worshiped by the foolish.

When you enter upon the Halls of the Dead, your heart will weigh against the Feather of Truth, and when they see your evils, your soul will be cast to the Crocodile-Beast and consumed.

Repent your worship of the False Single God, for it does not exist, never has, and never will. Osiris, the TRUE King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

PS -- did anyone like my rant from an Egyptian Pagan's point of view??? grin2.gif
Yelekiah
QUOTE(Infrazael @ Oct 28 2005, 04:40 PM) [snapback]907503[/snapback]

You realize that alot of Christianity, the idea of Jesus was BASED off of the tale of Osiris?

Amen, brother! notworthy.gif

A lot of the stories in other religions are just based on Egyptian Mysteries.
Infrazael
Oh but what did you think of the rest of my response? grin2.gif

Oh yeah, and I plan on giving a rebuttle from an Asatru's point of view as well.

ODIN SHALL SMITE THE WEAKLING GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS!!!!!!!!!

LOL!

See my point everyone? Everyone can say everyone else's god, gods, and religion is FALSE. It doesn't matter. A Pagan can go around condemning Christians.

Why do you think the Vikings were so angry? Why do you think the Romans persecuted the Christians?

BECAUSE TO THEM, THE CHRISTIAN GOD IS A FALSE, EVIL, AND POWERLESS DEITY MADE FROM FICTION!!!
Yelekiah
QUOTE(Infrazael @ Oct 28 2005, 04:44 PM) [snapback]907513[/snapback]

Oh but what did you think of the rest of my response? grin2.gif

sanchera was wrong. you don't have a big ego. tongue.gif

BRILLIANT!
People need to read more on the stories of the Egyptians, Zoroastrians, etc.
SilverCougar
QUOTE(Infrazael @ Oct 28 2005, 08:44 PM) [snapback]907513[/snapback]

Oh but what did you think of the rest of my response? grin2.gif

Oh yeah, and I plan on giving a rebuttle from an Asatru's point of view as well.

ODIN SHALL SMITE THE WEAKLING GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS!!!!!!!!!

LOL!

See my point everyone? Everyone can say everyone else's god, gods, and religion is FALSE. It doesn't matter. A Pagan can go around condemning Christians.

Why do you think the Vikings were so angry? Why do you think the Romans persecuted the Christians?

BECAUSE TO THEM, THE CHRISTIAN GOD IS A FALSE, EVIL, AND POWERLESS DEITY MADE FROM FICTION!!!



I'm in love...

antiaging
QUOTE(Infrazael @ Oct 28 2005, 02:40 PM) [snapback]907503[/snapback]

You realize that alot of Christianity, the idea of Jesus was BASED off of the tale of Osiris?

LONG BEFORE your Judeo-Christian-Islamic beliefs came into being, Osiris was called the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords.

Your foolish Christianity took an ancient saying and started to apply it to your false religions.

Your "God" is false and made up by people to control the masses.

It is a false god, and it has no power.

It is written all over ancient Egyptian texts that THEIR gods are the only real ones, and that ALL OTHER gods are false ones worshiped by the foolish.

When you enter upon the Halls of the Dead, your heart will weigh against the Feather of Truth, and when they see your evils, your soul will be cast to the Crocodile-Beast and consumed.

Repent your worship of the False Single God, for it does not exist, never has, and never will. Osiris, the TRUE King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

PS -- did anyone like my rant from an Egyptian Pagan's point of view??? grin2.gif


I was an agnostic physics major, long ago, and did an experiment to test for the existence of God. I asked God to give me evidence, if He really existed so that I would know and not just believe.
Part of that evidence was: Jesus appeared to me and paraphrased something from the New Testament to me, as it pertained to me.
I KNOW (not just believe) that the true God is the God of the bible.

After I became a Christian, I had times of intense joy flooding into me. I called it smiling on the inside. Never felt anything like that before.
Joy is supposed to be one of the fruits or manifestations of God's Holy Spirit that true Christians experience. Well, I surely felt that. Many times. Galatians 5:22
Charlie Mike
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Part of that evidence was: Jesus appeared to me and paraphrased something from the New Testament to me, as it pertained to me.

Wow, musta been some really good stuff in that beaker! Careful the Feds might want a piece of you! grin2.gif
HKCavalier
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After I became a Christian, I had times of intense joy flooding into me. I called it smiling on the inside. Never felt anything like that before.
That's a sad story right there. Why is it that the chronically depressed finally climb out of their soul's basement only to worship the staircase? You need to get out more. innocent.gif

Matthew 7:20 By their fruits ye shall know them.
antiaging
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Wow, musta been some really good stuff in that beaker! Careful the Feds might want a piece of you! grin2.gif


You were told the truth. Whether or not you choose to believe it, is your problem.

Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.
A line from the song, "the boxer", by Simon and Garfunkel

"Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but usually manages to pick himself up, walk over or around it, and carry on."
--Winston Churchill


"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance--that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
--Herbert Spencer


Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
lightbeyondthedark
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...In your opinion.
humble opinion? lol
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I always get a kick out of folks from any religous sect who bash another religion for their spiritual beliefs and practices.
Although I may disagree with what someone may think, I always try to live by Matthew 7:1, "Judge not, that you be not judged.".

LBD
mako
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I was an agnostic physics major, long ago, and did an experiment to test for the existence of God.

Sorry, this does not hold water. You claim to have been a physics major. Physics, a discipline that attempts to describe the laws and conditions of the physical/natural universe, yet you were going to experiment to test for the existence of a supernatural being? Either you were never a physics major and prevaricate about being so, or you really didn't understand what Physics was about! I believe this is just smoke you attempt to blow up everyone's rectums to make it look like you god exists! Sorry, anything that evil wouldn't be a god, more like a devil or demon! yes.gif
Infrazael
QUOTE(mako @ Oct 31 2005, 05:29 AM) [snapback]910396[/snapback]

Sorry, this does not hold water. You claim to have been a physics major. Physics, a discipline that attempts to describe the laws and conditions of the physical/natural universe, yet you were going to experiment to test for the existence of a supernatural being? Either you were never a physics major and prevaricate about being so, or you really didn't understand what Physics was about! I believe this is just smoke you attempt to blow up everyone's rectums to make it look like you god exists! Sorry, anything that evil wouldn't be a god, more like a devil or demon! yes.gif


Just because something pertains to the so-called "physical" world does not mean one couldn't venture into the spiritual/paranomal plane.

In actuality, I believe that is what quantum mechanics is doing right now.
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