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darkknight
what do you think and why?
thank you.
fallingalien
cold blooded because they were retiles and they're cold blooded.
wcturnersr
Dinosaurs were not reptiles... and I do believe that they were warm-blooded.
Yelekiah
I voted warm-blooded because they move like mammals. (joking)
wcturnersr
Here's a good link for you:

Dinosaur Heart
Raptor
QUOTE(wcturnersr @ Oct 25 2005, 09:11 PM) [snapback]902532[/snapback]

Dinosaurs were not reptiles... and I do believe that they were warm-blooded.


Way back when, sometime around 370 mya, give or take, the amniotic egg evolved, which allowed life to reproduce on land, unlike amphibians, who needed to lay eggs in water. These first amniotes had simple, box-like skulls with only openings where they were needed for eyes, nostrils, etc, and were called anapsids. (There's a raging debate about whether turtles are surviving anapsids or not, but I'll not bother with that. However, if turtles are not anapsids, the anapsids are now extinct.)

Eventually, the anapsids produced two new lineages, each of which had extra holes in their skulls, which served to lighten them and to provide additonal sites for muscle attachment. One group had a single hole, th synapsids, and they evenually became mammals. The other group, diapsids, had two holes, and these have a more interesting history.

The Diapsids split again into two groups. One, the lepidosaurs, are modern snakes and lizards. The other is called the Archosaurs, or "ruling reptiles", and for good reason. This group has evolved into some of the most successful and frightening predators ever, including the rauisuchids, ornithosuchids, popsaurids (all 3 of which would best be imagined as giant, fast-running land crocodiles, often over 20 feet long), crocodiles, phytosaurs (similar to crocs, but with a nostril near their eyes rather than at the tip of the snout), pterosaurs, dinosaurs, and birds.

So, technically, dinosaurs weren't lizards, but they *were* reptiles, close cousins of the crocodile and ancestors of the bird.
RedX
I voted warm blooded happy.gif yes.gif . Because this seems like the only way they could do the things they did. Like in walking/running/moving, they look like they did all these WAY differently then reps of today do. Their bone stucture looks too different to me for them to be cold-blooded. Also, the fact that there have been Dinosaur bones fond in Antactica which is believed to have always been as cold as its is.

And plus, I believe that birds came from Dinosaurs and there not cold-blooded disgust.gif huh.gif
RedX
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Oct 25 2005, 02:14 PM) [snapback]902539[/snapback]

I voted warm-blooded because they move like mammals. (joking)


...You make up some really cornny/weak/ odd and unclear jokes...
huh.gif hmm.gif
Yelekiah
QUOTE(RedX @ Oct 25 2005, 05:26 PM) [snapback]902674[/snapback]

odd and unclear jokes...

Odd yes, because it's in response to the Dinosaurs Walk Like Mammals Thread and the debate in there. It's not my actual reason as to why they are warm-blooded. that's why it's a "joke". Meaning, don't take the statement seriously. sleepy.gif
frogfish
QUOTE(RedX @ Oct 25 2005, 09:22 PM) [snapback]902668[/snapback]

Also, the fact that there have been Dinosaur bones fond in Antactica which is believed to have always been as cold as its is.


Soory to burst your bubble, but Antarctica was near the Equator during the Mesozoic Era
Piney

I voted warm blooded. I go with the bird ancestory theory.


Lapi'che
angrycrustacean
I voted warmblooded because it makes the most sense; However, couldn't it be possible that they had a sort of hybrid thing going on? Maybe so that their blood was warmed up slightly but they still relied on some heat from the sun??
draconic chronicler
Most paleontoligists now believe dinosaurs were both cold and warm blooded. Small raptorids were likely warm blooded, while the large dinosaurs had to be cold blooded for various physiological reason.

This mirrors the living archosaurs of today. Crocodiles are cold blooded, and birds are warm blooded, but both are more closely related to one another than they are to the lower reptiles.

To say cold blooded reptiles could not have done the things that dinosaurs did is nonsense though. Charlatans like Bakker would have you believe reptiles were all slow and sluggish but this is idiocy. Some lizards are so fast they can run on water.

In fact, after the dinosaurs went extinct, a kind of crocodile evolved into a fast running, bipedal predator that looked like a theropod dinosaur. It thrived far longer than we humans, though was finally outcompeted by later mammalian predators. There is nothing to suggest they became warm blooded.
RedX
QUOTE(frogfish @ Oct 25 2005, 04:56 PM) [snapback]902823[/snapback]

Soory to burst your bubble, but Antarctica was near the Equator during the Mesozoic Era


Sorry if I missinformed you but I just stated the first thing that came to mind. I dont really have a ear for this kind of stuff so I dont remember were it is but I did hear of some dinosaur bones being fond in a place that has always been cold (believed to be at the least).
huh.gif You sound like I came at you hard or something.
RedX
QUOTE(draconic chronicler @ Oct 25 2005, 10:05 PM) [snapback]903171[/snapback]

Most paleontoligists now believe dinosaurs were both cold and warm blooded. Small raptorids were likely warm blooded, while the large dinosaurs had to be cold blooded for various physiological reason.

This mirrors the living archosaurs of today. Crocodiles are cold blooded, and birds are warm blooded, but both are more closely related to one another than they are to the lower reptiles.

To say cold blooded reptiles could not have done the things that dinosaurs did is nonsense though. Charlatans like Bakker would have you believe reptiles were all slow and sluggish but this is idiocy. Some lizards are so fast they can run on water.

In fact, after the dinosaurs went extinct, a kind of crocodile evolved into a fast running, bipedal predator that looked like a theropod dinosaur. It thrived far longer than we humans, though was finally outcompeted by later mammalian predators. There is nothing to suggest they became warm blooded.


How, I would think that 2 different animals with 2 very different bone stuctures would not move/perform or do things alike. Kind of like a bird trying to walk around on all 4s...It may be able to do it but it wont be good at it and that wont be its main way of moving (and please dont talk about a bird that can do that). I also know of that lizard that can run on water(the Jesuuuu...some nickname)...were did I say anything about them being sluggish or slow???(or was that directed at someone else? In which case never mind that statement)

Also, way dos ever thing turn around to Crocs in this topic? huh.gif I dont see any resine to bring in a different animal into this topic.
RedX
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Oct 25 2005, 03:28 PM) [snapback]902676[/snapback]

Odd yes, because it's in response to the Dinosaurs Walk Like Mammals Thread and the debate in there. It's not my actual reason as to why they are warm-blooded. that's why it's a "joke". Meaning, don't take the statement seriously. sleepy.gif


I find your "jokes" unclear because I dont know how its a joke or way you posted it for that mater
huh.gif dontgetit.gif . Its not funny and it says nothing. I dont remember saying anything about your statment being serious...or saying anything about it to start so thats an other unclear statement to me rolleyes.gif .
frogfish
ok, you two can go argue somwhere else, cause it is off-topic original.gif
Yelekiah
QUOTE(RedX @ Oct 26 2005, 05:00 PM) [snapback]904281[/snapback]

I find your "jokes" unclear

Read the last line of my post. Joking means don't take my statement seriously. I was being sarcastic, it wasn't meant for comedic purposes. You do know what sarcasm is, correct?
Yelekiah
I'll put this w00t.gif next time to indicate sarcasm...so you don't get confused next time around.
draconic chronicler
Crocs have everything to do with this because they are one of the dinos closest relatives, and the post cretaceous bipedal croc was an efficient hunter of mammals and looked like a theropod dinosaur despite being cold bloooded.
fantazum
QUOTE(darkknight @ Oct 25 2005, 08:38 PM) [snapback]902465[/snapback]

what do you think and why?
thank you.


Dinosaurs HAD to be warm blooded. A cold blooded animal spends most of its life trying to maintain its body temperature by seeking shade or sun. A Dinosaur with a body weight of 6 tons + would firstly, have considerable trouble trying to maintain its blood temperature within set limits.The amount of blood within its body would require great amounts of time to attain its correct temperature.
Also, It could not afford to spend half its life in shade or sun - it had to keep feeding which means it had to keep moving regardless of whether it was cold or hot.
fallingalien
QUOTE(Piney @ Oct 25 2005, 09:04 PM) [snapback]902984[/snapback]

I voted warm blooded. I go with the bird ancestory theory.
Lapi'che


I don't think all are related to the bird, and all are reptiles
frogfish
that didn't make any sense...."all are reptiles? what does that have to do with birds?"
RedX
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Oct 26 2005, 04:04 PM) [snapback]904412[/snapback]

Read the last line of my post. Joking means don't take my statement seriously. I was being sarcastic, it wasn't meant for comedic purposes. You do know what sarcasm is, correct?



Ok:D Ok grin2.gif lets play the word game.
Joking really means comedic. So by saying "Im just joking" really means that your saying something but dont take it serious cause Im just trying to be funny. The right (or better) word to use is "kidding" to show that your just saying something with out meaning.
Joking and being sarcastic are 2 different things. (And yes I do know what sarcasm is
huh.gif )
If you want to show sarcasm then you should have put (sarcasm) where you put (joking) to show that thats the reverse of what you really mean (you do know that sarcasm is the opposite of what you really mean and that joking means that your just saying something to be funny and not serious...I guess you do
rolleyes.gif ). Maybe you need to look sarcasm up because I have seen you try to be sarcastis in a few other topics and it was not carryed out correctly.

IDK what it is about this dinosaur area but yall are coming at me a lil too hard for lil resine mellow.gif
Yelekiah
I use the word joking loosely-it can also mean I am being sarcastic. It simply means don't take me seriously or literally.
edit:

joking:Something not to be taken seriously; a triviality
(read it and weep)
RedX
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Oct 26 2005, 04:07 PM) [snapback]904416[/snapback]

I'll put this w00t.gif next time to indicate sarcasm...so you don't get confused next time around.



No.Next time you are trying to be sarcastic you should both indicate it in you message and place this smiley> rolleyes.gif at the end
Yelekiah
No, I'll just use it for you next time-that face-so you don't get confused. Nice try...
Yelekiah
QUOTE(RedX @ Oct 27 2005, 04:45 PM) [snapback]905844[/snapback]

IDK what it is about this dinosaur area but yall are coming at me a lil too hard for lil resine mellow.gif

This is off-topic, I suggest you drop this or pm me.
RedX
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Oct 26 2005, 04:04 PM) [snapback]904412[/snapback]

Read the last line of my post. Joking means don't take my statement seriously. I was being sarcastic, it wasn't meant for comedic purposes. You do know what sarcasm is, correct?


Read the bold...then weep
cool.gif
Yelekiah
(sighs)
Read my above post. This is getting very tedious. Just pm me.
RedX
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Oct 27 2005, 02:57 PM) [snapback]905864[/snapback]

This is off-topic, I suggest you drop this or pm me.


Im sorry but I drop this the first time I replyed to your post...your the one that wouldnt let it go so Im just replying to your statements.
Yelekiah
Uh...no, you waited several days and replied to me. And you keep going. Like you did today. Once again, we can keep this off the thread and you can pm me. I don't have a problem with that.
Raptor
I'm thinking that maybe RedX has a thing for Yelekiah...
Yelekiah
QUOTE(T-Nemesis @ Oct 27 2005, 05:14 PM) [snapback]905888[/snapback]

I'm thinking that maybe RedX has a thing for Yelekiah...

Methinks this is true. yes.gif
wabbit
erm, so.. I had this really awful spaghetti last nite.. it was the frozen dinner kind my b/f likes to get for when we don't feel like making supper... the sauce was sugary and the noodles were.. erm..

what's the topic again?

oh yeah... dinosaurs.. warm or cold blooded..

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Once it was thought that all dinosaurs were cold-blooded - now many suggest that at least some were warm-blooded, which would help to explain why they became so plentiful and dominant for so long. If we examine today's fauna , we find no large land predators that are cold-blooded, except for crocodiles that occupy only one very specific ecological niche and are basically water dwellers. The same is true of the entire Cenozoic era - virtually all large predators were warm-blooded.


Source

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Even though it was believed that dinosaurs were closely related to cold-blooded reptiles, most dinosaurs had similar behaviors of a bird which is a warm blooded animal. Believing dinosaurs were warm blooded would help explain the reason why dinosaurs were so dominant and plentiful for such a long period of time.


Source

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Examination of dinosaur fossils seemed to suggest they were indeed warm-blooded. The remains of microscopic holes in the bone seemed to indicate tiny blood vessels had been trapped by the rapid growing bone tissue. Any animal growing that fast must be warm-blooded, scientists reasoned.


Source

After reading up a little bit on this subject, I would have to say that I believe Yelekiah is funny as heck and that dinosaurs were indeed more likely to be warm-blooded.

Thank you. *takes a bow* w00t.gif rolleyes.gif tongue.gif (choose appropriate smiley)


RedX
QUOTE(T-Nemesis @ Oct 27 2005, 03:14 PM) [snapback]905888[/snapback]

I'm thinking that maybe RedX has a thing for Yelekiah...



Uhh no. Sometimes I just like haven the last word when I feel Im right...I also dont like it when people put words in my mouth
Yelekiah
(No one put words in your mouth. If you believe that, no one will see the end of this-it'll just go on an on)

Thank you, wabbit for those sources. I may add some links on why dinosaurs were warm-blooded as well.
RedX
Nice sources wabbit, Iv been to a few of them before.
Yelekiah
http://www.zinkle.com/p/articles/mi_m1200/...158/ai_65860849
Here's an interesting one about teeth indicating it.
RedX
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Oct 27 2005, 03:28 PM) [snapback]905911[/snapback]

(No one put words in your mouth. If you believe that, no one will see the end of this-it'll just go on an on)

Thank you, wabbit for those sources. I may add some links on why dinosaurs were warm-blooded as well.



huh.gif mellow.gif And im the one that wont drop this...look back to my first reply to your reply to me and you will see way I think these...
(Its been dropped)
Yelekiah
QUOTE(RedX @ Oct 27 2005, 05:34 PM) [snapback]905921[/snapback]

(Its been dropped)

I'm just letting you know no one put words in your mouth. (shrugs) And don't forget you waited days to reply to me, which implies you premeditated it.
Great, it is dropped.
I'll post some more links. grin2.gif
RedX
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Oct 27 2005, 03:38 PM) [snapback]905926[/snapback]

I'm just letting you know no one put words in your mouth. (shrugs) And don't forget you waited days to reply to me, which implies you premeditated it.
Great, it is dropped.
I'll post some more links. grin2.gif




....(My goodness) I dont know how your personal time runs but 1 day aint "days" in my world. I mostly come here once a day which would explain way I replyed so "late" to you. Using Common S you could imply this from the group of post I put at once which would show that I premeditated no thoughts of this over the course of "days" as you so boldly stated. Also what did I premeditated...forget it, like I said I have already let this go.
cool.gif
Raptor
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Oct 27 2005, 10:38 PM) [snapback]905926[/snapback]

I'm just letting you know no one put words in your mouth. (shrugs) And don't forget you waited days to reply to me, which implies you premeditated it.
Great, it is dropped.
I'll post some more links. grin2.gif


'Conspiring to go off-topic' laugh.gif

QUOTE
Uhh no. Sometimes I just like haven the last word when I feel Im right...I also dont like it when people put words in my mouth


You felt you were right? About what? about the face he has a strange sense of humour, or about the definition of the word 'Comedy' / 'Sarcasm'. dontgetit.gif


_ _ _ _ _ _ _

I'm tending to go with the theory that the larger dinosaurs were warm-blooded and that the smaller dinosaurs were cold-blooded. Like it was said before, it wouldn't make sense if large dinosauurs were cold-blooded, they would have to spend every day-time hour heating in the sun to stay warm, and even that probably wouldn't be sufficient time to keep warm. I suppose a Mod should edit the poll and add in the 'Hybrid' option?
Yelekiah
QUOTE(RedX @ Oct 27 2005, 05:53 PM) [snapback]905942[/snapback]

Also what did I premeditated...forget it, like I said I have already let this go.

If you look at all of your responses, you respond to those that have replied later than I have. And then respond to my early post. Thus, it is "premeditated" so you could mull over for a day on what to say to me. Hmmm...apparently you haven't.

BTW T-Nemesis, that's an interesting theory. And it would have been convenient for the smaller dinosaur.
RedX
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Oct 27 2005, 04:03 PM) [snapback]905957[/snapback]

If you look at all of your responses, you respond to those that have replied later than I have. And then respond to my early post. Thus, it is "premeditated" so you could mull over for a day on what to say to me. Hmmm...apparently you haven't.

BTW T-Nemesis, that's an interesting theory. And it would have been convenient for the smaller dinosaur.



... huh.gif Sorry if you think I need a day to think of something to say (I guess in your mind I have some super power that lets me see what your going to post so that I can think a few days before I post as in the case of how I can post so fast today.). But, Like I said, I mostly come here ONCE....ONCE a day so I wouldnt know what you said till a whole DAY later. Why would this mater>you respond to those that have replied later than I have. And then respond to my early post? If you reply to me with something I will reply back...what does order have to do with these??? huh.gif Your giveing yourself too much cridit...
RedX
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Oct 27 2005, 04:03 PM) [snapback]905957[/snapback]

If you look at all of your responses, you respond to those that have replied later than I have. And then respond to my early post. Thus, it is "premeditated" so you could mull over for a day on what to say to me. Hmmm...apparently you haven't.

BTW T-Nemesis, that's an interesting theory. And it would have been convenient for the smaller dinosaur.



... huh.gif Sorry if you think I need a day to think of something to say (I guess in your mind I have some super power that lets me see what your going to post so that I can think a few days before I post as in the case of how I can post so fast today.). But, Like I said, I mostly come here ONCE....ONCE a day so I wouldnt know what you said till a whole DAY later. Why would this mater>you respond to those that have replied later than I have. And then respond to my early post? If you reply to me with something I will reply back...what does order have to do with these??? huh.gif Your giveing yourself too much credit...
Yelekiah
QUOTE(RedX @ Oct 27 2005, 04:45 PM) [snapback]905844[/snapback]

Ok:D Ok grin2.gif lets play the word game.

You're telling me this isn't premeditated. By your OWN admission you want to play a game with me.

RedX
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Oct 27 2005, 04:25 PM) [snapback]905985[/snapback]

You're telling me this isn't premeditated. By your OWN admission you want to play a game with me.



....Uhh no. This is just something I say when people want to use words incorrectly and try to get jazzy with it (Try to use their incorrect words to prove a point and come at me with it.) Not a game as much as just getting nic-picky with words huh.gif .
Yelekiah
Hmmmm.....but I didn't use words incorrectly. You saw my definition, correct? yes.gif
edit: Then I can say I want to get nit-picky with the word game. It's still a game...Now about those dinosaurs?
Raptor
^Not everyone uses words to their exact definition. But I'm confused, what are you even debating about now? huh.gif
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