What if aliens were to make contact tommorow, and they began preaching of some religion other than yours (Say, hinuism, ancient egyptian, hell, even raelianism...)? How would you react?

I'd get my tazer and duct tape prepared (not a fan of probing).

It might throw the world in chaos. I do not follow a religion, so it would not really bother me. Imagine all the religons of the world. They would be ready to go to war with the aliens for challenging what they believe. For awhile, the world would be very unstable.

Chaos would be an understatement, It would disprove so many theories and forms of religion.

With total surprize. I would be totally surprized, amazed and shocked that a people who could bridge the stars would still be superstitious enough to support religions!

^ what he said ^

I'd beat there heathen rear ends back to where they came from

I tell you Irish, you ought to be a stand-up comedian.....

I agree with EricCraven2003 it wouldn't bother me as I don't follow one as well.

i wouldnt care about the religion thing but if they were here to fight i would kick there ass

If they could come across a universe, how advanced in technology must they be. So how are you going to kick their ass, wabbit??

^I also agree^

They took the time to come here, might as well hear them out.

If they don't care whether or not we convert the religion they preach, then I say wave good bye to them and move on with your life.

If they hold guns to our heads and tell us to either convert or die, I suspect we'll have a nice little holy war.

Also, we're assuming that they do support a religion. No matter how unlikely you may think it is, that's the point of this thread.

Then I would begin converting them to Deism!

I would hug em and squeeze them and talk to them. I love aliens as if they were one of us. Why would it be different then a person trying to sell their religion?

I would accept them and ask them to help out the humans here on Earth who are sick and if they had treatments more advanced then ours.

God made 's too ya know.

Like an alien Jehovah's Witness at your door? lol that's a scary image.

Heck, a regular Jehovah's Witness (or Mormon Missionary) at your door is a scary image!

Keep in mind that I dont mean they have their own religion... I mean they show up, and their religion is the same as one of the religions on the Earth.



In your case, I'll rephrase it. What if we found primitive life on another planet, and found out that they're practicing Islam, hinduism or christianity or anything of the like...?

^ Haha!



It wouldn't bother me. I don't believe in anything anyway so I sure wouldn't give a toss about theirs. I'd be more bothered about how the aliens managed to speak to me in my language - people on Earth don't speak the same - how long have they been studying us???

Oh, and what are they gonna do with me from now-on?

I bet the Catholic Church would tell everyone that it's the Devil and not to believe such trickery, then turn around and violate a little boy.

For a start I would be wise enough to realize that these visitors have a far superior intelligence to ours. This would be obvious because our technology does not allow us to travel to really distant planets (and other galaxies), and as often as we observe these intelligences to be visiting Earth.

So it would be unwise to try a war with these visitors as they would be able to destroy us with our own nuclear weapons if they wished.

The race of extra terrestrials who created all life on Earth do not wish us any harm, and would and have protected us in the past from imminent danger from stray meteors and other threats.

I would welcome the Elohim with open arms!

I doubt is they would be Elohim if they were practicing Zoroasterism or Hinduism!

And if you join the right cult you can open your wallet to!

It would depend on exactly what their intentions were. If the aliens are being friendly and are just saying things equivalent to "God bless you" to people, and maybe just informing people about what they believe.......then I really wouldn't have a problem with it, it would just be another religion. But if they started saying their religion is fact and it was about to be forcefully impossed on everyone.....or if they just came out and said something like "Jesus was a fag" (lol, Lord forgive me for even writing that) then we'd have to fight!

Of course I would also be sceptical about them really being alien as well until I saw proof......they could be demons, in which case we'd have to fight!

What would I do?

I would make contact with the Ones I worship and ask them "whats up with these guys? are they one of yours or are they from a distant planet?"

No... the point is its not just *another* religion, its the *same* religion as one on the Earth.

Say you were christian and aliens came here talking about Allah and Mohammed, or you're an atheist and the aliens believe in Christ and have a version of the bible...

I would be pissed they came all this way to preach to me.

Hey stellar why don't you get your facts right before you start preaching to everyone? You have been petty enough to point out Link Link where one was a live link. Is this the best you can come up with to run me down? I believe you should read the following so that you are quite clear as to who you are discussing in any future postings. I do not appreciate your smart arse comments!

From My Web site "What's in a name"?

YeshaYah (Isaiah) 52:6 " Therefore My people shall know MY NAME: therefore they shall know in that day that I am HE that doth speak: behold, it is I." The Israelites took naming persons and places much more seriously than we do today. To them a name was not just a label provided for convenience in distinguishing one person from another. A name was an essential part of the person so named. Names should be appropriate, for the person's name was regarded as a sort of duplicate of counterpart of it's bearer; there was believed to be a mystical relationship between name and the thing named. The name was conceived as influencing its bearer, and the name revealed something to a person who was told it. This was not a unique approach to naming, but one that prevailed among many ancient Near Eastern peoples. Harper's Encyclopedia of Bible Life

Speak, I pray you, to your servants in the Syrian language;
for we understand it:
and talk not with us in the Jews' language
The Jews, who had the greater part of their numbers dispersed in foreign lands by force or emigration, had lost their language. Even at the time of the Fall of Jerusalem (587 B.C.) Hebrew was losing out to Aramaic as the language of ordinary communication. In the next (6th) century, under Persian rule, Aramaic became the common language of the Scripture speaking peoples. The next conquerors of Palestine were the Greeks. Though the Greek culture was strongly pushed as a policy of the Seleucid kings, Aramaic remained the language of the Palestinian people until the Mohammedans conquered the region in the 7th century A.D. and introduced Arabic. Harper's Encyclopedia of Bible Life

YAHWEH
YAHWEH, the proper Name of the ABBA (FATHER) of Yisrael; it is composed of four consonants (YHWH) in Hebrew and is therefore called the tetragrammaton. The Name was first revealed to Moshe (Ex. 3), but the ABBA of Moshe was the Almighty of the fathers (Ex. 3:6, 15), known to the Israelites as EI Shaddai (Ex. 6:2-3). In the Scriptures the NAME YAHWEH is derived from the verbal root "to be," "to exist," and means "He who is" (Ex. 3:14 ff.). The Name YAHWEH later ceased to be used by the Jews for two somewhat contradictory reasons. As Judaism began to become a universal religion, the proper Name YAHWEH tended to be replaced by the common noun Elohim, meaning "God," which could apply to foreign deities and therefore could be used to demonstrate the universal sovereignty of Yisrael's God over all others. At the same time, the divine Name was increasingly regarded as too sacred to be uttered, for fear of profanation, and in the synagogue ritual it was replaced by Adonai ("my Lord"), which was translated Kyrios ("Lord") in the Septuagint. The occurrence of the four sacred letters in the text of the Scripture itself could not be thus replaced, but the same fear of profanation caused the Masoretes (6th-8th centuries A.D.) to change the pronunciation by replacing the vowels (which in Hebrew are marked beneath or above the consonants if not omitted altogether) with the vowels of Adonai (or, more rarely, the vowels of Elohim). This accounts for the form Jehovah, an artificial name with the consonants of YAHWEH and the vowels of Adonai (the initial "j" representing the Hebrew consonantal "i" which is also transliterated as "y"; the "e" representing the indeterminate Hebrew vowel which appears as "a" in the initial letter of Adonai; and the "v" being alternative to "w"). After 1518, when the Franciscan Petrus Gelatinous argued in favor of the form Jehovah, it appeared in translations of the Old Covenant, but English versions in most cases preferred to follow the Septuagint in translating the Hebrew YAHWEH by the periphrasis "the LORD" instead of transliterating it as Jehovah. With the new critical scholarship of the 19th and 20th centuries the more correct YAHWEH has gradually gained ground.
Parts of above from the ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA 1968 vol. 23 pg. 867.

In the above definition, the word "Elohim" does not mean "God". The true meaning of "Elohim" is " The Almighty One of Oaths and Promises Who is Faithful". Also, the word "Adonai" does not mean "Lord". But the English word that most describes Him is YAHWEH. This above definition shows that they know the Name YAHWEH; and have changed all these words to exonerate the god of this world. The word "divine" should not be used to describe His Name The scripture does not use the word "divine" in describing His Name. His Name is Qodesh (holy), SetApart. It should read "the SetApart Name".

YAHWEH (ya' we) A modern transliteration of the Hebrew word translated Jehovah in the Bible; - used by some critics to discriminate the tribal god of the ancient Hebrews from the Christian Jehovah. SEE TETRAGRAMMATON Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary (1959)

While inclined to view the pronunciation YAHWEH as the more correct way, we have retained the form Jehovah because of people's familiarity with it since the 14th Century. The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures (The Jehovah Witnesses), The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. (page 23)

God
God In Western culture the word God generally refers to one supreme holy being who is believed to have created the entire universe, to rule over it, and to bring it to its fulfillment. In the Old Covenant, God was called YHWH, pronounced YAHWEH by most scholars; the exact pronunciation of the Name was lost because it was rarely enunciated. In its place was read Adonai ("Lord"). The written combination of the tetragrammaton YHWH with the vowels of Adonai was traditionally rendered as Jehovah in English Scriptures. YHWH is frequently translated as "He who is" and probably designates YHWH as creator. In ISLAM, ALLAH stands for a similar notion. Thus, the word God refers to the object of WORSHIP, PRAYER, and religious MEDITATION. God also has been the object of religious and philosophical reflection, the supreme object of THEOLOGY. Parts of above from: GROLIER ENCYCLOPEDIA ed. 8 pg. 336 under God

God 1. A being of more than human attributes and powers; a deity, esp. a male deity; anything worshiped by man as a deity. 2. An idol. Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary (1959)

Only fear YAHWEH, and serve HIM in truth with all your heart:
for consider how great things HE has done for you.
JEHOVAH
JEHOVAH, an erroneous rendering of the name of the God of Israel. The error arose among Christians in the middle ages through combining the consonants Yhwh (Jhwh) with the vowels of Adonai, “Lord” which the Jews in reading the Scriptures substituted for the sacred name, commonly called the tetragrammaton, as containing four consonants. See YAHWEH. From reference: ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA vol. 12 pg. 991 under Jehovah,

JEHOVAH, [Hebrew usually Yehowah; prob. properly Yahweh] a Christian form given to the Tetragrammaton. Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary (1959)

The name Jehovah is, of course, an English word which is based on the Masorete's choice of writing. They so revered this holy name that they wrote the vowels of the word signifying Lord (adonai) with the consonants of the name which God gave to Himself, JHWH, resulting in Jehovah or as some prefer to render it, Yahweh, the consonants being in the Hebrew properly transliterated YHWH. In the history of the English language, however, the letter J has a written counterpart in the German J, although the letter J in German is pronounced like an English Y. The bulk of theological studies having come from German sources, there has been an intermixed usage in English of the J and the Y. Our English translations of the Bible reflect this, so we have chosen to use J, thus Jehovah, rather than Yahweh, because this is established English usage for Biblical names beginning with this Hebrew letter. No one suggests that we ought to change Jacob, Joseph, Jehoshaphat, Joshua, etc. to begin with a Y, and neither should we at this late date change Jehovah to Yahweh. The Interlinear Bible, Jay P. Green, Sr.

"The pronunciation Jehovah was unknown until 1520, when it was introduced by Galatinus; but was contested by Le Mercier, J. Drusius, and L. Capellus, as against grammatical and historical propriety." (Oxford Gensenius, P. 218.) Next, as to formation. "Erroneously written and pronounced Jehovah which is merely a combination of the sacred Tetragrammaton and the vowels in the Hebrew for Lord, substituted by the Jews (Yahdaim) for JHVH (YHWH), because they shrank from pronouncing The Name, owing to an old misconception of the two passages (Exodus xx. 7 and Leviticus xxiv. 16) ...To give the name JHVH the vowels of the word for Lord (Heb. Adonai) and pronounce it Jehovah is about as hybrid a combination as it would be to spell the name Germany with the vowels in the name Portugal-viz., Gormuna...Jehovah is not older than about 1520 c.e." The Book Of YAHWEH Yisrayl Hawkins

LORD
LORD is an English title of honor or dignity that is used in different senses.
From THE ENCYCLOPEDIA AMERICANA vol. 17 pg. 739 LORD:

LORD [AS. halford, for halfweard, i.e., bread keeper, fr. half bread, loaf + weard keeper, guard.] 1. One who has power and authority, as headship or leadership; a master; ruler. 2.[cap.] a. The Supreme Being; Jehovah. b. The Saviour; Jesus Christ. Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary (1959)

The Elohim
For the ancient Hebrews "divinities (elohim) dwelt in nature and in the sky. Different tribes each had particular deities who were especially concerned with their affairs."
- Ninian Smart, The Religious Experience of Mankind

"...The geologist Christian O'Brien argued that these [ancient Hebrew and Sumerian] texts describe a race of beings called Shining Ones - his translation of the Hebrew word Elohim. These beings created modern humans from earlier human forms by genetic manipulation. Some of these beings, called Watchers, mated with humans, and this was considered a crime by the Shining Ones. One of the Watchers was named Shemjaza, and Yahweh was one of the Shining Ones. O'Brien argued that the Shining Ones were superior but mortal beings of unknown origin."
- Richard L. Thompson, Alien Identities - Ancient Insights into Modern UFO Phenomena

"When the gods created Mankind
Death for Mankind they allotted,
Life they retained in their own keeping."
- The Epic of Gilgamesh

"The Elohim originally included not only foreign superstitious forms, but also all that host of Heaven which was revealed in poetry to the shepherds of the desert, now as an encampment of warriors, nor as careering in chariots of fire, and now as winged messengers, ascending and descending the vault of Heaven, to communicate the will of God to mankind."
- General Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...."
- Genesis 1:26

"In the clay god and Man shall be bound, to a unity brought together;
So that to the end of days
the Flesh and the Soul
which in a god have ripened -
that Soul in a blood-kinship be bound."
- Sumerian creation story, Encyclopedia Britannica

The creators (Elohim) outline in the second hour 'the shape of a more corporeal form of man. They separate it into two and prepare the sexes to become distinct from each other. Such is the way the Elohim proceeded in reference to every created thing."
- Eliphas Levi, The Nuctameron of the Hebrews

"...The androgynous constitution of the Elohim is disclosed in the next verse, where he (referring to God) is said to have created man in his own image, male and female; or, more properly, as the division of the sexes had not yet taken place, male-female....This definitive reference to a humanity existing prior to the 'creation of man' described in Genesis must be evident to the most casual reader of Scripture."
- Manly P. Hall, Masonic, Hermetic, Quabbalistic & Rosicrucian Symbolical Philosophy

"...The sons of gods (bene ha-elohim) saw the daughters of men that they were fair..."
- Genesis 6:2a

"Other Elohim are occasionally mentioned throughout the older parts of the Old Testament. The most important of them is Baal, usually translated as the Owner. In the Canaan of the times, there were many Owners, one to each village, in the same way that many Catholic cities today have their own Virgin Marys, and yet they are all the same one."
- Julian Jaynes, The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind

Not all scholars accept the plural nature of the Elohim.
"Biblical Hebrew occasionally employs something scholars call the 'majestic plural'. In effect it is a plural ending added to a deity's name to confer status or majesty. In the Old Testament the best example is Elohim which does not mean 'the gods' but is rather the god El with the majestic plural im appended."
- David M. Rohl, A Test of Time: The Bible from Myth to History (1993), p. 228

Can't we just say we agree to disagree and call it a truce? It is not in my character to dislike anyone, and you may not be even aware that I have decided to not have anything to do anymore with the Raelian group unless I get a satisfactory answer from it's Prophet. If you wish to know why, I will elaborate further but not while I am being judged by most on these forums. I will speak to you or anyone else as a friend, if you should so desire. I apologize for having set you up with your forum posting and it was very out of character for me to go to these extremes. But I am sure that you too realize that we are not exactly living in the ideal world, and I felt I needed to point this out that going in the same path will only lead to more stupidity on this Earth. Anyway if you wish to know my honest oppinion on Raelians I will give it for all to see.

Kindness and best regards to you my Irish (Friend)? and anyone else I may have offended with my sarcasam.

A truce it is
But I am curious as to how Claude Vorilhon (Rael) responds to his membership these days. He was quite a dynamic person back in the early eighties. Its been a good 20 years since we last spoke. An to be honest I was not exactly on his Christmas card list then.
I actually enjoyed finding you under different aliases around the boards it sharpened some old rusty skills I use to employ in a different work environment in my past. Did you know that ones communications MO is as unique as a finger print! But a truce is a truce so carry on my friend.
All the best
Irish

What are you talking about? What facts did I get wrong?



Again, what are you talking about?



Again, what are you talking about?

Thank you Irish, I want you to know that I mean no one any harm by being on this forum, and if we could all try to see each others point of view more clearly, there would not be the amount of arguments that we presently see here. I believe this is why we struggle in this world to move forward in a positive way, because of stubbornness and egos to always believe we are totally correct in our own views. Even though it may seem that I have been brainwashed by a religious cult, nothing could be further from the truth.

I choose by my own free will to follow the Raelian movement, and to also be baptized as a believer that the Elohim created all life on Earth. To some degree I still believe that they are the extraterrestrial race who had a major part in some of the latter creations.

Whilst being a follower, I fully believed in the messages, but with some of my own views added, so that I could appreciate a much broader picture to the one Rael paints in his books.

Perhaps he is aware of the things that still float around in my mind which pose as questions to what he has told us, but for one reason or another, these things have not been disclosed, nor do they seem to be in the foreseeable future. Perhaps he just does not know the answers.

I have pulled out of the Raelian flock (so to speak) due to the total lack of any type of direct response to four different questions, where I had asked for Raels direct response to, but they were never answered by him, nor did he have the courtesy to even respond in any way at all over a six year period. This I find both insulting and unsatisfactory from a man who says we are all equal, and then does not have the decency or respect to treat one of his most dedicated followers as an equal, or to be even acknowledged by way of reply. There are other things which I can also elaborate on, but I won’t bore you all to tears, unless anyone is interested in finding out my other valid reasons.

Kindness and best regard's to you all

Claude Niero

The facts which I believe you are wrong on are that if you read how all these different names were fabricated over the centuries, and all virtually for the same person Yahweh.

So how can all the religions differ, when basically they all refer to the same person (extraterrestrial being) under different names?

I believe that all religions hold some essence of truth, but over the centuries and the battles and the burning of the original scriptures the faiths and bibles have been deluded with gross inaccuracies. This is why I believe that there can only be the one race of creators responsible for our current living species on this Earth.

The other point about the "Link Link" Yeaaaah right was a S.A. comment I feel on the other thread where I posted on cover ups.

No one will ever get ahead in this world while we continue to bicker on the smallest irrelevant detail down to the politically correct letter of the word.

Best regards and light to you!


The following is the title of a book which I just finished reading and can recomend for answering some questions into "The un known": The Genesis Race By: Will Heart

Shows that Earth was visited by an extraterrestrial race who bioengineered modern man in its image and taught man how to construct the pyramids:

Examines the flaws in Darwin's theory of evolution and presents startling new evidence of intelligent intervention
Reveals the messages coded in the pyramids left by the ancients concerning impending Earth changes at the end of the Mayan calendar

Great comment I back you on this 100%

If they came espousing some other belief system it may be hard on most of the people for a while. "How can my G-d be G-d if those guys are more advanced?'. I do think that there would be some unrest but, I think that, for the most part, people would just go back to work and carry on as much like before as possible. Remember when they said they found that Mars rock? Most people weren't the least bit impressed.
I once heard a Christian preacher say that all it really meant was that the mission to spread the gosphol was a bigger mission than anyone had ever though it would be.
My at-one-time-Rabbi once told me that it really wouldn't matter. He said "If they believed in one creator, then they could be Jews, if not then they weren't. No big deal".
Personally, I think that the government already knows of alien life and will simply release the info on them so slowly that when the aliens get here no one will be the least bit shocked. Kind of like that science project where you put a frog in a pan and slowly turn up the heat. The frog will acclimate and eventually be cooked to death.
Great question.

WHAT facts am I wrong on in this thread? Hmm?



It doesnt matter at all.



Then post it in the other thread, not this one.

So with these facts in mind I believe you owe me an apology... Do you have the humility to do so when you are wrong?

Its a hypothetical situation... please, explain to me 1. How I'm wrong by creating this hypothetical situation and 2. How it boils back down to Yahweh?



Because 1. What I said doesnt matter did not refer to anything about my topic. 2. I started it so that I could see ppls reaction to the hypothetical situation. This is a discussion board, remember that?



My colours are there for everyone to see. Im telling you to post it in the other thread because that's where it belongs, according to forum rules. By posting it here, you are going off topic. Do you want me to get a mod to tell you the same thing?



You have yet to prove your "facts". I have no reason to appologise for creating a hypothetical situation.

Mrs Doubtfire, if you do not wish to discuss this thread on its merits..... Please do not post. There is room in this forum for hypothetical discussions... If all you wish to do is argue with the hypothetical part, then obviously you have nothing to add to discussion, and would be warned away from hijacking this thread into an argument over those facts.



Subby

Ooooooooh! Sorry for being sooooooo ignorant Deeeeeeeeeeear! I did not realise that the various religions mentioned were also hypothetical and that they carry no truth when it comes down to the true name of the one who is worshiped in all these different religions!

Yes, Yes! Once again I have been wrong, and I offer everyone that I have offended my sincere apology's because I did not realise that this thread was started by someone who does not know his religious facts.

Have a nice dddddday deeeeeear!

Please accept my apology, and forgive them father, for they know not what they say...I will now exit this thread to leave you to spread your self indulgent beliefs. (There is no logic, rhyme or reason here to be gained).

It is your belief that they carry no truth when it comes down to the true name of one who is worshipped, not everyones.



I dont know my religious facts? What makes you think so? What have I said in this thread that challenges facts on religion? I have simply appealed to ppls beliefs and asked how they would react if those beliefs were challenged in my hypothetical situation.



1. It is your *belief* that all of them have the same god.
2. I didnt limit the discussion to the religions I mentioned, I used those as examples.
3. Even if they have the same god, they still have a matter of which way to follow him/what he did that differ from one to another.



No. Please, explain to me exactly how ancient egyptian boils down to Yahweh. Then greek mythology. THen roman mythology.



Thin skinned? Are you kidding me?



Not with you here there isnt. Maybe once you leave...

I'd treat them just like anyone else who preaches about a certain religioun.

But then if I'd see them pull out a probe, I'd slap them with the very bible I beleive in. Then make them eat the pages.... While they're on fire.


But you I don't have to worry about having to do that anyway, I don't beleive in Aliens.

Wouldnt you question why an alien race had a holy book, lets say, matching the Koran?

It will never happen. Please try to relax, and keep on taking your medication.

Kindness and best regard's to you especially! Gaud kows you need it

Great question Stellar, I have asked it many times, but never with the twist that the aliens come to Earth with the same religion/s we have. LOL Fantastic!!!

First, the fact that aliens were here would be mind altering to say the lest. Second, I am somewhere between agnostic and deist, so if aliens came here preaching the Koran or the Bible etc …I would seriously have to reconsider my current thoughts on the origin of those books. However, the fact would still stand in my mind, “no matter how you look at those books, they are self decimating” and to believe in them, is to fail. Only god knows what I would do.

I wonder how many monotheistic people would go atheists, agnostic etc …

Seems so odd , why would aliens preach of some religion? There are lotsa stuff they can do other than preaching of a religion, Anyways, if it happened somehow, it doesn’t mean that they are right; I guess I’ll stay the way I am, I’ll stick to my religion, who cares for what aliens say!

Wouldn't change a damned thing. In fact I think it would be athiesm that would collapse. This preconcieved notion that 'aliens' are the hope for athiesm really is getting old

It'll never happen? Its a hypothetical situation ffs. I'm asking what if.



I never said you dont believe in Yahweh, nor did I twist your words. I used your exact words.



Nothing.



Not everyone believe that, and not every religion does so.



You provided no factual evidence. You presented your belief, and it doesnt even matter if your belief is a fact or not because not everyone considers it a fact.



If you say so.





Point being?



Well then the answer is your *belief*. You believe they're just different names for the same gods, but the religions are different and people also believe that the gods are different. Some ppl believe they have nothing to do with each other, others believe they stole ideas from each other but are still essentially different.



Then you should inform yourself before calling me thin skinned.



Im not rambling about any rubbish, Im asking a question.



What do you mean?