Hi all. This is my first post, so I should make it a good one, eh?


Anyway, yesterday, I was taking out my rubbish. Now, to get from the kitchen to the front, I walk out my back door, along the side of my house and then out the front.
When I went out back, rubbish in my hand, I heard an extremely low pitched sound, very deep and rumbling, I more felt it in my feet then heard it. You know, that sort of noise?

Anyway, I peered at the forest which is at the end of my garden, separated only by a small, barred, fence. I could see two large circular objects that glinted with a soft yellow, sort of like a cats eyes, except much larger and without pupils. The circles got darker as towards the rims. Naturally, I switched on the outside light, which increased the pitch of the rumbling, and the discs got brighter in colour. I dropped the rubbish and began to walk down the path, towards the end of my garden. After a few steps, the pitch of the sound increased. I hesitated, but then continued. With every few steps, the pitch increased, and when I was almost at the bottom of the garden, it was almost painful. I decided then and there to go no further, but I had a fairly obscured look of what was there.

The discs where high on the thing, which makes me think they are eyes. This close (About two or three metres) I could see they where on the sides of a head, not on the front and I was merely seeing the front of almost orb like eyes (Close to that of a moth or fly's.) I think it was furry, or at least had hair of some kind, but it was dark and I couldn't see it very well, thanks to the way the branches hang It was rather large, about six or seven foot high. I couldn't see much more of it, and it was slowly moving backwards. It scared me too, so I legged it back to my house and locked the door.

During the night, I heard the low pitched rumbling a few times. Oddly enough it sometimes came from above, sometimes from below. When I turned on the light to take a look out the window, I saw something pretty much the same shape as what I had seen in the wood(vaguely humanoid, rather wide and covered in bumps) fluttering around in short hops, in my garden and the field next to it. I, of course, tried to ignore this, and dismissed it as a dream first thing in the morning. But, when I went downstairs, I found the rubbish that I had dropped torn open, and it was strewn around. Also, the wire we use to make sure rabbits do not simply slip through the bars was sunken to the ground. When I stand on that wire, it barely bends, so it must have been something heavy stepping on it. And, when I took a look at the woods, to make sure; there where many broken branches and scattered debris, the woods being prime ground for people dumping things. And finally, I found pieces of the rubbish strewn IN the woods. There is no way it could have gotten there of its own accord or by the wind.


Now, I'm hesitant to place a label on this sort of thing. While several times it seemed fairly insectoid, I'm not too happy using that term-The trachea that insects use to breath does not work above a certain size. Also, when it hopped, it's back expanded and shook-And I think it was trying to fly, something such a large insect could never do. We did have massive winds the night before, and this night was calm though-Perhaps this wind brought it in, and it could not leave in the calm?
Either way, I am adamant it was there, but I have not heard of anything like this before. Then again, I'm not that into the paranormal. Anyone here have an idea of what I've encountered?

By the way, this was in the South East of England.

Well, I'm not sure what to make of this, but you can certainly tell a good story.

i agree with paladin. though this did somewhat remind me of mothman. perhaps a new breed?

thats a first!!!!! sounds like mix of mothman and chupacabra.
and oh king of dusk welcome to um

Chupacarba, in the UK?? my god, it's moving around these days. well, with flights being so cheap.....

never knew flights were that cheap..lol MartSmith welcome to um

I can totally imagine chupacabra on a plane.

Airhostess:Sir, what would you like for your meal?
Chupacabra: Goat. Raw. And god help you if it's cooked!


Anyway, I asked a few of the people on who live on my lane if they saw or heard anything weird. Most of them said no, but the ones with dogs all said they where acting oddly all day, and none of the dogs slept that night. I knew my cat was acting funny, but my cat does that a lot, so I wouldn't say it's anything special.

The mothman kept cropping up when I was searching for anything like this (Actually how I found this board. ), but I'm skeptical, partially due to location and mainly beacuse...for something that big, flying is a no-no. I generally don't think Mothman exists, beacuse the only explaination for him (or her-Who says it's not a Mothwoman? LOL.) appears to be "He's an angel\demon\devil\jesus." and that just doesn't do it for me.

The winds where pretty massive the night before my encounter-As in, tearing branches off trees massive. So I stand by my wind riding theory.

Last night, I stayed up for a long while, just incase. While there was nothing like last night, I did hear next door's dog whining and running around a lot. Perhaps it's still there? I did have another look through the woods today, but nothing.

Oh, and thanks for the welcomes. Call me Your Majesty, if the feeling takes you, or just Dusk.

Goood show king of dusk. You know something about biology. Few people ever get that insects can't be above a certain size, and that something that can bend wire like you said is way to heavy to fly.

Now, my take on it. I believe that you saw something but i not ready to jump to colclusions, are you sure it wasn't a hobbo or another person in the garden.

Also Eyse like you descrided are known as night eyes. Cats and dogs have them though i doubt it was either.

So lets compile the data,

Size: Six Or seven feet
has Hair
Has large night eyes on the tops of its head
Rumpling noise, rising and falling in pitch
Insect like movements and behavior
Posibly wings on back, though unsure
Cannot Fly or has not been observed to, may glide on winds
IS heavy, heavy enough to bend strong wire by walking on it.
Is cappable of getting into garbage and carrying it a good distance.
Human 'like' shape and demenor

Sounds like mothman sure'nuff

Please add any other details you remember king of dusk
good writing.

Thanks. I love biology.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't a hobo-We generally don't have those around here. I live in a very small village, and we don't really have homeless here. If we do, we have a shelter that can house about fifty people. As far as I know, only about ten people use it.

Anyway, the eyes where more on the side of the head then the top. I was tempted to call it's eyes night eyes, but they didn't seem to fit that, beacuse of their shape.

Oh, I'm fairly certain it had arms, or at least legs that are attached at about the shoulder point, which I could not see when it was in the woods, but I could see when it was hopping around, due to the way it had them sort of in front of it, possibly for balance.

don't insult Ur fellow members...not nice!! and if you can't respect Jesus' don't disrespect either.

...Did I insult someone?...Uh...Whoops?

And uh, the Jesus thing? On some other places I found during my searchings for large insect like things, someone implied Mothman was Jesus or something like that at least. I didn't read it too seriously. Sorry if I upset you or anything.

He did not insult members in the slightest, nor did he disrespect jesus,

The first was clearly a light hearted joke, and just because he doesnt believe an unidentified creature was jesus, it means he is disprespecting him!??

anyway, interesting story king of dusk, can't help with what it is, but Im in SE london too, ill keep an eye out

Eyes on the side of the head means two things. I its a herbavore, or at least not a predator. All predators have eyes facing the front. Second, flying animals do not have eyes on the sides of their heads, These to rules aply to all aspect of the animal kingdom.

More helpful hints for ya.Google image search for mathman pics, tell us dusk man if any of these or Theese look familiar.

keep in touch dude

Have you ever looked at birds?

Earthchick is right, birds have eyes on the sides of their heads. Some carnivores do too, ever heard of alligators and crocodiles. King of Dusk, that is quite an interesting sighting. Could you upload a rough sketch or something so we could maybe narrow this down a bit?

My guess is an injured pelican. Or a demon.

interesting, well written and entertaining i thought...regardless of whether how true or not it is (please don't take offence mate, like most people i'd have to see with my own eyes )

one thing about the winds...is it possible a private collection or zoo in the area had damage to animal enclosures or a bird house....perhaps its some kind of exotic bird escapee made off and has now come rummaging for food (which might explain the rubbish)....i can't remember exactly but im sure ive read of a flightless bird capable of making the strange noises you mentioned......could it have been one of the larger birds like an Emu or even a Cassowary....they look strange in good light so imagine coming across a 7ft (at least tall bird) native to New Guinea (i think)....
its the fluttering and jumping which makes me think this see...and the strange description on the 'arms'...well the legs are quite high up the body and noticeable on the large flightless species.

heres a pic anyway



those throat sacks or whatever they are do hang loose like arms, if im right they can be 10-12ft in height too...

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I have friends who live in South West in heavily wooded areas in a small hamlet......its nice and secluded but at the same time it can be a little creepy surrounded by a forest can't it....deer roaming around the house at night, nesting Buzzards, Dormice and Glo-Worms all over the place heh....



hope you get to the bottom of this anyway.

I think a bird of hat size would have been reprted around the area.

I mut say that the rest of you are right, birds do have eyes on the sides on their heads, but only herbivoras ones. and aligators mayhave eyes on the sides of their head, but they face forwards. I'm having trouble placing this thing, the onl thing it sounds remotely like is the mothman, and i think if dusk man saw something, it was either a moth man or somthing else

Size: Six Or seven feet
has Hair
Has large night eyes on the tops of its head
Rumpling noise, rising and falling in pitch
Insect like movements and behavior
Posibly wings on back, though unsure
Cannot Fly or has not been observed to, may glide on winds
IS heavy, heavy enough to bend strong wire by walking on it.
Is cappable of getting into garbage and carrying it a good distance.
Human 'like' shape and demenor

Nothign else fi this data if we on duskmans words alone.

are you sure you didn't over estimate the hieght of the creature? a few fee's difernence could change this entirely.

Other than owls I can't think of any raptors that have eyes on the front of the head. Raptors are not herbivores.


One thing that has always crossed my mind when I hear stories such as this.......could it be possible that certain governments around the world are working on robotic creatures with AI that could be used for warfare? What if some of these creatures are actually machines? It's not completely inconceivable. It may be only when things go awry that they end up being seen by members of the public. Pure conjecture mind you, but something to think about.

no problems....just the debate should focus on what the topic is! not the religion.


rather then mentioning it, you should keep in mind if someone welcomes you in street would you joke to him as such.(if you can understand) and we have had a lot of religion debates, which beings me to point.... this sighting debate...right! where does religion comes in?if dusk knows about it and has no problems. either should you! so lets keep this to topic!

I agree with the "not a predator" idea, but...Pretty much all flying things have eyes on the sides of their heads. Birds, flies, moths, hawks...I can only think owls and bats are the flyers with eyes on the front of their face. of course, with predatory birds, they're not directly on the side, but more towards the front. Not quite there though. Also, the fact that the eyes are rounded and not pointed implys they need to see in all directions, and thus keep a look out for predators.



It doesn't look much like the ones in the second link...Those seem more "Romantically invisioned" anyway. The google images (which I've already had a look at) bare some simularity, mainly how stocky it looks and the furry appearance, but other than that, very little.




Already working on that, but since I couldn't see much, it won't be too revealing.



No offense taken, I'm the same way.

The thing is, I live in a very small village. The closest zoo is quite some miles away. I don't think it could have been any large animal. Which leads me to think that it was either a human or something else. And last time I checked, humans can't maintain low rumbing sounds or high pitched screeches for long periods.



I've yet to see a healthy pelican around here, let alone an inured one. And do demons just like to wander around in woods?




I dunno. I'm about five foot something and it was quite a big bigger than me.



The real question is...Why would they put them in bodies untill they where finished? I would merely put them in simulations untill I was sure they where perfect before giving them anything that could do any harm. But I digress.

Well, what ever it was, I don't think it's still around. Last night there was nothing out of the unusual, and next doors dog was calm again.

dusk have you asked neighborhood about anybody else seeing any unusual?
there are few clues i can give you first ...owlman Web
second there is a sighting of moth-man in UK site
post if you remember any other details.

I have a confession to make.

It was me. I snuck into your garden dressed into a monster suit to scare you. I'm soorry. I have eyes on the side of my head, bugger that i am.

yea mothman sounds right it could be la chusa but you said it was a bug tipe creatcher. i dont know what to think.

Actually, cassowarrys are 4-5 ft tall

it cant be a bird, its too heavy....it cant be human cuz it has eyes on the side...maybe it was something not known by some of us

Interesting topic and replies! I hadn't even considered the impracticality of flight and insect breathing at certain sizes - thanks for that reminder!


Now taking a step back, a few things are interesting about this "sighting".

First off, the eyes are YELLOW or gold or somesuch. The Mothman and in fact most cryptids of its near description (including Chupa) are almost invariably red-eyed - it seems to be an actual feature, though I understand it may simply be a matter of blood vessel tint refraction etc.

Another reason I consider ruling out the Mothman is your relative lack of noting the pretty universal hallmark of the "inverted ace of spaces" figure, even with as poor a sighting as you had, it seems like this would have been more apparent to you - the "wings" apparently making the bulges, with the flat owl-like head in between.

Now, two things came to my mind offhand.

Was it an Owl perhaps? With such a poor sighting, are you CERTAIN it was not an owl's eyes, maybe from a different perspective than you have seen one normally, maybe they look somewhat different or even alien from a particular angle, causing you to misidentify it? If it was in the trees, had "rims" around its eyes and was barely visible, I'm just suggesting that the human eye and mind has a very hard time differentiating individual parts of objects in blackness - it may have been an owl sitting on a branch - maybe there was even a dog nearby, hidden, growling (that also got into your trash later) - it could also have been some other common pest or rodent in a tree, maybe?

I know there are stories of "mystery cats" in England - is there anyway you were misidentifying some of the creature's movements and maybe you were looking at a "big cat" (leopard, panther, etc.), perhaps on its hind legs, with its paws on a tree, making it appear to be a tall biped?

And slightly off-topic, if I recall, the Mothman's "official" debunk was the Sandhill Crane, though I haven't read any of Loren Coleman's works since he became the defacto "new Mothman expert".