On my website I have this 'Solve et Coagula' dude who posts on my webforms all the time.
He speeks alot of spirituality and is always throwing some "i know someething you dont know" galactic termonology at my readers. He never responds to my skepticism.

Anyway his last post was about some huge 'Secret' they are about to release on national TV about revealing the ultimate secret that freemasonry and other secret organizations keep. I know that this secret is the "seething energies of lucifer". He also talks about energy control on my forums.

Now lucifer is the rebel and tester and morning star and all that. from birth there is a negative conotation with his name and there always will be until someone sheds some light on all this.

here is a copy of the post.



discuss away. i will be researching beside you ... after my accounting test.

I have found this... and this is all i really ever get. I know some of you have experiance with this topic. Ive seen it. with my little beady eyes.... ive seen it.



anyway...source:
http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/_PDFArch...ge/NA4W1200.pdf


"Within the occult and New Age movement, initiation is viewed as playing a “cosmic” role
in the evolution of humanity–and the universe. Masonic authority, Manly P. Hall called this
quest for the esoteric a “cosmic obligation,” and that “powers unseen and unrecognized
mold the destiny of those who consciously and of their own free will take upon themselves
the obligations of the Fraternity.” Hall was referring to both the oath within Masonic initiations,
and the deeper occult knowledge that comes with the search of mystical illumination.
Communicating its spiritual significance, Hall wrote,
When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper
application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft.
The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and
upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy.
(The Lost Keys of Freemasonry, p. 48)
C.W. Leadbeater, a leading occultist, Theosophist, and Freemason during the early
years of the 20th century, revealed that initiation resulted in a “born again” experience. This
needs to be understood correctly; the “born again” experience Leadbeater talked about
was based on the Luciferic philosophy of Genesis 3–“you will be like God.”
So wonderful is the expansion of the Initiate’s conscious that it is most apt to
speak of the change as a new birth. He begins to lead a new life “as a little child,” the
life of the Christ; and the Christ, the intuitional or buddhic consciousness, is born
within his heart."

Referring to the initiated, Leadbeater explains,
The Candidate has now become more than an individual man, because he is a
unit in a tremendous force. On every planet the Solar Logos [authors note: “Solar
Logos” is referring to the Supreme Deity as revealed within the Sun God] has His
Representative acting as His Viceroy. On our globe the title given to this great Official
is the Lord of the World.
(The Masters and the Path, p. 120)
The Bible reveals who this “great Official” is. Jesus Christ called him the “ruler of this
world” (John 12:31) and the apostle Paul called him the “god of this age” (2 Cor. 4:4). This
“Official” is Lucifer, the “light-bearer,” also known as Satan, the “ruler of darkness” (Eph.
6:12), and the “king of death” (Heb.2:14). The New Age movement, with its occult roots,
embraces this Being – whether New Age practitioners realize it or not.
One of today’s most influential New Age authors and lecturers, David Spangler, teaches
on Lucifer and “Christ.” In his book Reflections on the Christ, Spangler explains that “Christ
is the same force as Lucifer but moving in seemingly the opposite direction” and that
“Christ is the perfect balance to Lucifer.” Spangler also tells his followers that, “Lucifer, like
Christ, stands at the door…and knocks.” Sadly, Spangler encourages spiritual seekers to
open the door for Lucifer and invite him in.
Like Hall and Leadbeater, Spangler understands the deeper meanings of occult initiation.
In the Reflections on the Christ, he explains that Lucifer is the “great initiator.” Amazingly,
he calls for a literal Luciferic initiation as a means of propelling mankind into the
evolutionary New Age,
Lucifer comes to give to us the final gift of wholeness. If we accept it then he is
free and we are free. This is the Luciferic initiation. It is one that many people now,
and in the days ahead, will be facing, for it is an initiation in the New Age.
(Reflections on the Christ, p. 45)
In Spangler’s world, humankind would completely embrace Lucifer and allow Lucifer to
indwell in an unprecedented way. Spangler’s vision is for a new global order ruled by the
“Lord of the World.”
Unfortunately, many Christians naively believe that the New Age movement is simply a
passing fad. The New Age movement, which is only a “public” outpouring of the teachings
of ancient occult schools, is a growing reality in today’s multi-religious world. And it is
evolving with the times.
As Christians, we need to know what we believe, why we believe it, and how to effectively
express it. Only Jesus Christ can set men free.

This is all very old news, going back at least as far as Atlantis on this planet. There is a strain in the New Age that is nothing but a regressive drive to recapture the ascendancy of Atlantis. Hitler was deeply into this stuff. This Lucifer initiation stuff swept through Atlantis and Nazi Germany and we both know what happened next. Lucifer is remarkably destructive energy. Know why Mars is a barren world? Yep, Lucifer. They say those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. But the past we're talking about has been literally wiped from the face of the Earth. Even so, some of us remember. Bottom line, the Lucifer thing: very, very bad.

Sorry to disappoint everyone, but there is no such thing as "Lucifer". He was just a mistranslation error by Christian Romans trying to translate the Bible from Hebrew. The account had to do with an evil human king and had nothing to do with fallen angels, etc., nor with the Seraphim-dragon Sataniel. There are many scholary websites and books that confirm this, and it has already been discussed at length here on UM.

Amen!

What? Next you'll be saying that there's no such thing as the Loch Ness monster.

I don't mean to be disrespectful, Draco. I'm just playing with you. I'm very new to this board. I understand what it's like to encounter "the topic that wouldn't die," but your particular point of view is startling to me--that you have some scholarly consensus to back you up, doubly so (urls?); I'm just at a total loss to understand the distinction you're making.

Is this simply a question of nomenclature, DC? What do you call the drive to create something outside the mind of God? What Great Power did the Archangel Michael put down? 'Cause that's what I'm talking about, by whatever name you choose. People have been dealing with a thing they call "Lucifer" for quite a while now--it's accreted a pretty bad rep. Have they just been crazy, or sadly misinformed? What was it then that brought an end to Atlantis and the annihilation of the Martian people? Secret societies have been occulting their involvement with Lucifer for centuries. What a colossal waste of time, right? What have they all been talking about then? Nothing at all? You seem to credit the existence of a "Seraphim-dragon Sataniel" but not a "Lucifer" because the term Lucifer has a flawed etymology? I'm sorry, I've made some study of these matters and never encountered this particular objection (quibble?).

It has been my experience that things in which many people over many centuries have believed tend to have some meaningful level of reality--maybe not quite the reality that many would ascribe to it, but reality nonetheless. Saying that there is no such thing as Lucifer--in a context other than base materialistic denial--seems, well, odd. If your post had a help icon, I'd be clicking it now. Help?

Trust me, he knows what he's talking about. He's writing a book that may come out this Christmas.

Lucifer, also known as Satan, is probably the biggest fool that ever existed. I rebuke you Satan, in the name of Jesus Christ.

Satan is going to be cast into a lake of fire to be tormented without rest forever and ever.
His existence is like a riches to rags story. Satan, that fool, brought that punishment on himself by choosing to do evil and disobey God, and by refusing to obey God.


Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Take a moment to read this. Its a good read. It helped be build an idea of eternal life that i could dig. But then again it could be just more bs good literature that surfaces these days.

So what are these energies, why should we reject them

http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper53.html

PAPER 53 - THE LUCIFER REBELLION
Lucifer was a brilliant primary Lanonandek Son of Nebadon. He had experienced service in many systems, had been a high counselor of his group, and was distinguished for wisdom, sagacity, and efficiency. Lucifer was number 37 of his order, and when commissioned by the Melchizedeks, he was designated as one of the one hundred most able and brilliant personalities in more than seven hundred thousand of his kind. From such a magnificent beginning, through evil and error, he embraced sin and now is numbered as one of three System Sovereigns in Nebadon who have succumbed to the urge of self and surrendered to the sophistry of spurious personal liberty--rejection of universe allegiance and disregard of fraternal obligations, blindness to cosmic relationships.

In the universe of Nebadon, the domain of Christ Michael, there are ten thousand systems of inhabited worlds. In all the history of Lanonandek Sons, in all their work throughout these thousands of systems and at the universe headquarters, only three System Sovereigns have ever been found in contempt of the government of the Creator Son.

1. THE LEADERS OF REBELLION
Lucifer was not an ascendant being; he was a created Son of the local universe, and of him it was said: "You were perfect in all your ways from the day you were created till unrighteousness was found in you." Many times had he been in counsel with the Most Highs of Edentia. And Lucifer reigned "upon the holy mountain of God," the administrative mount of Jerusem, for he was the chief executive of a great system of 607 inhabited worlds.

... read on

HK, though few people realize it, there is an enormous difference between Sataniel and Lucifer. The notion that the fabricated Lucifer was created a "Good" angel who rebelled and fell was important to the dualistic Christians who needed a war in heaven and fallen angels and all of the other pagan trappings to recruit more pagans to their religion. You see, this gets God "off the hook" for all the evil in the world created by the imaginary Lucifer. This is the basic tenant of pagan dualism, which was the most common religous idea of the time, and still is today.

Tlhe Bible states very clearly that God deliberately created Evil, but even here this does not necessarily refer to Satan. Satan was never an angel, he was created by God as a frightening, man-devouring monster, a fiery flying serpent, that we would call a dragon today. He was an instrument of divine, fire spewing heavenly retribution, but apparently little more. Why doesn't the Old Testament state Satan was in the Garden of Eden? Because at the time, the Hebrews practiced a true montheism. God had no challengers, he was responsibe for everythig, Good as well as Evil. In fact, long after his invented wickedness in the garden of Eden, in the Book of Job, Satan is still counted as one of the trusted Son's (servants) of God, and can commit evil on Job, ONLY by God's Orders!

Satan only becomes evil in both Judaism and Christianity, AFTER the Jews return from their Persian exile, thoroughly brainwashed into believing in Pagan dualism. This is so obvious when you see that the Evil creature opposing the "Good God" in Persian Zorastrianism, is a dragon named Ahriman. So who better to frame for their new, fake dualistic beliefs, than the best known Seraphim-dragon of the Judaic heavenly realm, Sataniel, the Accuser of mankind in the story of Job, (but no hint at all of disloyalty to God). After that, mainstream Christianity and Judaism have remained imitations of Pagan Persian Zorastrianism, even to the point that the "Bad" dragon is wrapped in chains and cast into the abyss for 1000 years. Michael uses chains and Ahura Mazda uses a magical girdle, but anyone who can't see that the Christian version is a complete rip-off of the Zorastrian fairytale can only be a fool.
True to the Bible, God created Evil, but that evil wasn't Satan, it was "nature". We are biological creatures and and unrestrained by religious laws we do what are primal instincts tell us. Everything "evil" we do mirrors what animals do in nature, albeit in less sophisticated fashions. Animals though, do not have the convenience, or necessity to blame their own evil on another creature as dualistic relgions do.

True Monotheism in our world died with the sack of Jerusalem and the exile of the Jews to the pagan lands which corrupted their beliefs, though I understand that there are some Christian sects that dismiss the existence of Satan, which in not entirely accurate, though at least he is not acknowledged as the replacement for an evil pagan diety in the Christian version of Zorastrian dualism.

there is good. and there is evil. and there is their appropriate metaphor. evil in personification is satan/lucifer.

BOOBIES.....just kidding,so is lucifer and satan the same thing or whats going on?

No, they are not the same thing, please read the post again. Of course, if you completely dismiss the Bible as mythic fairy tales, then yes, someone could say the Seraphim-dragon Sataniel, is only a metaphor, but you cannot even say the same for Lucifer, because he was never anything more than a typographical error.

for what i found lucifer is the christ "lucifer=who guide the light" however i don't take has right because nothing can prove it also satan for me it's a basic man who don't care of religion.

i watch the trailer from the link for me it's more a movie.

same here

(snickers)

lol

the title of this topic make it seems like a movie

Back to topic. What are these energies, what do they promote, what is the arguement that christ and lucifer can be the name thing. what is bad or good about this light.

I am still not sure if there is just One brandable light. there might be multiple spectrums that some think better than other or something. i know that might not make sense... but its a lead.

Light is not good or evil. It is just representative of order in the Universe.

i like the light more than i like the dark

Hey DC, you've obviously done your homework! Thanks for writing such a thorough and thought-provoking aswer to my post. You bring up so many issues it's hard to know where to start!

I'm not a huge fan of monotheism myself, but anything's better than dualism, right? The only reason I can imagine to credit dualism is to find the most facile answer to "the problem of evil." Nor am I a believer in the authority of the bible. I see it as largely a political document. I am, however, very interested in how people have interpreted the bible over the centuries; what use it has been put to. And I tend to think there is a definite reality which the bible attempts to describe; the bible is something people wrote while they were busy experiencing something very real which they tried to express thru these stories.

This is, more or less, the core of my disagreement with your scholarship. Since all documents are subject to misprision, inaccuracy, and willful omission; conventional scholarship is really only half the battle. The rest of the story for me lies in clairvoyant history and our own individual truth sense. There's also the cliche principle: if enough people believe something, there must be some grain of truth to it. To deny the existence/meaning of Lucifer over the centuries is to deny the power of consciousness itself to shape reality. Of course, this begs the question of Lucifer's nature. What is Lucifer after all? "Satan" is a generic term, a euphemism if you like. It translates to the entirely impersonal "adversary." Could be anybody, with a name like that. It's very interesting that Satan is so clearly understood as a servant of God in Job, but has come down to us as God's great Enemy. And of course there is the equation of Satan with Lucifer.

It's interesting that you refer to a thing called "pagan dualism." Are you suggesting that all dualisms are essentially pagan? Do gnosticism and catharism derive from paganism as well? The primitive plotline which you see deriving from Zoroastrian myth is not what I understand to be the essential meaning of the Lucifer story. The clairvoyant background for the Lucifer story goes something like this:

All that exists, exists within the mind of God. All that is created, is created by God; God is creation itself. There is no creation without God. This is definitive. Lucifer is that element in consciousness that has come so close to truly perceiving God's mind, that it imagines a world beyond Its bounds. Lucifer sees God's generative power as the core of His being and wishes to match It. But to match God's creativity would mean to create without using creativity; a definitive impossibility. How can Lucifer create something apart from the very mechanism of creation itself, a.k.a: God?

Well, as you know, DC, he can't. So what does Lucifer do? Lucifer invents a new principle within consciousness: forgetting. Lucifer simulates creation outside the mind of God, by making consciousness forget that it can't be done--in essence leading consciousness to forget that it is one with God. This is what has been immortalized in story as "the fall."

Now, Lucifer draws the forgetful spirits to himself and becomes a new god of creation in their minds. The Heavens split. So Michael creates a new principle within consciousness: remembrance. Phenomenologically, remembrance has no meaning without forgetting. So remembrance saves Heaven from being torn apart and Lucifer is "put down."

We here on Earth experience Lucifer whenever we succumb to denial. We reenact Lucifer's rebellion with our technological advancements. Take cars for example. These things seem to be enormously powerful and useful, but only because the overwhelming cost of that "power" is occulted, somehow hidden from our sense. If our senses were fully attuned to the destruction of our atmosphere, the threat to our immune systems, the violence to our emotions that cars cause on a daily basis, we would not use them. It would seem mad to us, like using the bullet from a gun to scratch your head.

Luciferians, even if they are too low in their hierarchies to realize it, are simply improving their abilities to create denial in themselves and others; they fancy themselves the masters of illusion but they are only its servants. Eventually the unseen consequences of their power catches up with them. In ages when they have ascended to the halls of power, world historical disaster has been the result. The so-called "War in Heaven" is reflected in our own consciousness as we use our truth sense in our ongoing process of separating reality from illusion; love from lies. For us mortals, this boils down to a process of remembering who we really are. This stuff here, DC, I don't get with at all. I don't see any connection between human evil and animal behavior. So, it's fair to say, you've lost me. My primal instincts have served me and those I love very well. What I consider evil is in every respect a perversion of natural impulses, or as I've stated above, a denial of nature.

Anyway, that was fun. Thanks again for your reply to my earlier post.

How can "animal evil" confuse you HK? Many animals are as nasty as people, killing for pleasure, (or reasons we cannot fathom). Sometimes mother animals just decide to kill there offsring for no apparent reason. But when a human mother does it, many people like to blame it on the devil. And in some cases, their mental capacitiy combined with witch-doctor like, fundamentalist rantings by their preachers about imaginary demons may well induce them to drown their children and similar human tragedies.

All of our aggressions can be seen in our simpler primate cousins. Just as the baboon with the brightest red ass "gets" the baboon chicks, the human "baboon" get the chicks because of his bright red Ferrari. So we engage in the same petty animal rivalries for sex, wealth and power, as animals do, it is just more sophisticated among the human apes. So the point to this is, do you really think there is a "monkey Lucifer" that induces monkeys to be prideful, lustful or murderous, and if not. why must we belief in a ficticious "fallen angel lucifer" that causes us to do the same things the monkeys do, because it is their animal nature, like ours, and has nothing to do with ficticious devils and demons.

None of these instances of families killing or torturing their children becaue the believe they are possessed by demons would be happening if it weren't for the false teachings of an "evil Lucifer" that never existed. And when this is eliminated from the scripture, Satan is no longer an adversary. He is only a trusted servant of God as the book of Job confirms, who must receive God's permission just to harm a single human.

But the early christian church turned the Jewish monotheism into a copycat zorastrian religion, and to do so, they needed an "evil dragon" just like the Zorastrians had, so quite ignorantly, perceived Satan as "evil" in the Job story, even though this was not the case at all. Likewise, there was nothing in the original old testament about Satan deceiving Eve, so they added it to the New Testament as well.

We really must wonder how much more enlightened and intelligent the average Christian would be if they had not been brainwashed by all of the stories of evil devils and demons out to get them, when these things are not in the old testament scriptures endorsed by Jesus as the authentic word of God. How can any sane person believe in this nonsense when it is plain to anyone that these things are nothing but at rip-off of the contemporary pagan religions the new Christianity had to compete with for members and has nothing to do with the Judaism of Jesus. Remember, he was the Son of the Hebrew God, not the son of the Zorastrian Ahrua Mazda, so why turn Christianity into the Zorastrian, dualistic religion? I know why in the 1st century AD, it was to get more members. But why persist in this fairy tale nonsense of pagan Greek and Zorastrian demons and devils which had nothing to do with the Jewish theology taught by Jesus?