True, but all you have to do is get engaed. Problem solved. King Soloman had 700 wives!!!!!!!!!!

I wonder if they were all virgins. Hmmm....

72 virgins.

Too bad it was a mistranslation lol. If they mistranslated it to wh***s, this would be a...weird world.

So did you find anything in the Koran on homosexuality?

I imagine you are getting swamped, but I have an interesting question for you. The word used for the Seventy Two Virgins in Paradise is 'houris', which literally mean 'white ones.' However, the original Arabic root word for the houris was 'hur,' which in the time of Mohammed referred to 'white raisins,' a delicacy. So my question is, when martyrs go to paradise, will they receive 72 dark-eyed virgin girls, or a handful of white raisins?

72 angels. No kidding.

I'd also like to add that it is not just applicable to martyrs, and it is not in the Koran. It is in the Hadith.

No..... But I assume it would be outlawed

Homosexuality or wh***s?

I would try the raisins, I've already had a dark-eyed virgin.


Homosexuality

I was being slightly facetious, but that IS the literal meaning and origins of the words referring to the so-called virgins.

I know it's the literal meaning. I wasn't trying to be rude.

I'll see if I can find any texts on that and their treatment of homosexuals.

Well here are some verses. So far I have yet to read any that says they should be physically punished, like in the Old Testament. It just accuses people of ignorance, yada, yada.
(Koran 4:16)
If two men among you is guilty of lewdness, punish
them both...

(Koran 27:55)
Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather
than Women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant!

Islam? Can we add weight to the leader of Iran?

captainx32, can you please answer my questions on page one of this thread? Also, what is your opinion of OBL and the events of 9/11?

Islam and homosexuality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Islam

Faith Freedom--ExMuslim site
http://www.faithfreedom.org/

"Islam is a religion of peace"
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sinaprologue.htm

Frequently Asked Questions, Objections and Comments (exMuslim)
http://www.faithfreedom.org/faq.htm

Lauren, look at ExMuslim (above)--particularly questions 43, 44, 45 on the FAQ page (above)--for how women are really treated in many Islamic countries.

In the West some men abuse their wives. But the law is on the side of the battered women and there are shelters and protections for them as well as restrictions and punishment for the abusive husband. In Islamic countries women have no right whatsoever. They can be beaten by their husbands and they cannot even seek divorce. The Husband can re-marry to a younger woman and abandon his older wife abusing her emotionally, sexually (by avoiding to sleep with her as he has now a younger woman), verbally and even physically. These are all Allah given rights of men ( Q.4:34)

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YUSUFALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).

PICKTHAL: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

SHAKIR: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

Women in Islam

"I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were women .... [because] they are ungrateful to their husbands and they are deficient in intelligence." (The Prophet Muhammad) Sahih Bukhari V 2, B 24, N 541

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles.htm#women

I dont want to sound rude, in anyway or "bash" your religion. But your religion thrives in one of the most hostile places in the world.

I think its dangerous to take everything seriously in the bible or koran and then to apply it to modern day. Those books were written by men, not God or so called prophets. I think religions genuinely start off decent and innocent, but over years of politics and oppressive guidelines they become a joke or better yet, a nightmare.

This is only my opinion though. I think most religious people are genuinely good and moral people, I just think it is the religions and their so called enlightened scripts that are flawed. It seems everyone has a different interpretation.

Method an Yelekiah shall go at it again, you misintrepreted the bible says if you entice others to go serve other God's then they shall surely die. In other words Dissession on the seven things GOD absolutley despies. Anyway, this is all nullified with the coming of CHRIST regardless. The Koran teaches fight all those who do not believe in Allah, quite wrong in my opinion.

They misinterpreted nothing. Deuteronomy13:6-15 is abundantly clear in meaning. The Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)

Has heaven and earth passed away? No! The Old Testament laws will be binding forever.

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)]

[quote name='seanph' date='Oct 29 2005, 09:29 AM' post='908323']
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)

Ok, wouldnt these commandments be referring to the Ten Commandments? And if it doesnt we as Christians are told to abide by Ten Commandments, and walk with our LORD to gain our salvation.

And your wrong, he did misinterpret it says those who entice others to follow other GODs, in other words shall surely die. I am not sure if they mean a spirtual or physical death. Nowhere does the bible condone murder, infact a commandment clearly states "Thou Shall Not Kill"

I guess why you are thinking, or speechless I will put the nail in the coffin. All the books you and I have referred to were written by man, and sometimes corrupted by other things. Correct? But here it is, understand it perfectly THE TEN COMMANDMENTS WERE STRAIGHT FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD. GOD clear states Thou Shall Not Kill, but man says kill. Who do you listen to?

And who was the Quran written by? But didnt all of the Quran come straight from the mouth of Allah.

The Laws of Moses are many--not just the TC. Also, if you believe the OT is nullified, does that not include, then, the TC? And by the way ... which TC are you referring to?

Is it this set from Exodus 20?

Exodus 20

The Ten Commandments

1 And God spoke all these words:

2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

3 "You shall have no other gods before [a] me.

4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.

7 "You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.

8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

12 "Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the LORD your God is giving you.

13 "You shall not murder.

14 "You shall not commit adultery.

15 "You shall not steal.

16 "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.

17 "You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor."

18 When the people saw the thunder and lightning and heard the trumpet and saw the mountain in smoke, they trembled with fear. They stayed at a distance 19 and said to Moses, "Speak to us yourself and we will listen. But do not have God speak to us or we will die."

20 Moses said to the people, "Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning."

Or is it this set found in Exodus 34?

Exodus 34

The New Stone Tablets

1 The LORD said to Moses, "Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke. 2 Be ready in the morning, and then come up on Mount Sinai. Present yourself to me there on top of the mountain. 3 No one is to come with you or be seen anywhere on the mountain; not even the flocks and herds may graze in front of the mountain."

4 So Moses chiseled out two stone tablets like the first ones and went up Mount Sinai early in the morning, as the LORD had commanded him; and he carried the two stone tablets in his hands. 5 Then the LORD came down in the cloud and stood there with him and proclaimed his name, the LORD . 6 And he passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, "The LORD , the LORD , the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, 7 maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation."

8 Moses bowed to the ground at once and worshiped. 9 "O Lord, if I have found favor in your eyes," he said, "then let the Lord go with us. Although this is a stiff-necked people, forgive our wickedness and our sin, and take us as your inheritance."

10 Then the LORD said: "I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the LORD , will do for you. 11 Obey what I command you today. I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 12 Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. 13 Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles. [a] 14 Do not worship any other god, for the LORD , whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

15 "Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. 16 And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same.

17 "Do not make cast idols.

18 "Celebrate the Feast of Unleavened Bread. For seven days eat bread made without yeast, as I commanded you. Do this at the appointed time in the month of Abib, for in that month you came out of Egypt.

19 "The first offspring of every womb belongs to me, including all the firstborn males of your livestock, whether from herd or flock. 20 Redeem the firstborn donkey with a lamb, but if you do not redeem it, break its neck. Redeem all your firstborn sons.

"No one is to appear before me empty-handed.

21 "Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.

22 "Celebrate the Feast of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year. 23 Three times a year all your men are to appear before the Sovereign LORD , the God of Israel. 24 I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your territory, and no one will covet your land when you go up three times each year to appear before the LORD your God.

25 "Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast, and do not let any of the sacrifice from the Passover Feast remain until morning.

26 "Bring the best of the firstfruits of your soil to the house of the LORD your God.

"Do not cook a young goat in its mother's milk."

27 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel." 28 Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant-- the Ten Commandments.



God orders the wholesale slaughter of millions in the Bible. Read it.

1st. Commandment, Exodus 20:3 “Thou shalt have no other gods before me”. Old Testament punishment - Deuteronomy 17:1-5 “And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heavens, which I have not commanded. Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing and shalt stone them with stones, till they die”. Deuteronomy 14:6-10, “If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is of thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. Thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God." Exodus 22:20 “He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed”. New Testament punishment - Mark 16:16 “He that believeth not, shall be damned”.

2nd. Commandment, Exodus 20:4 “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water below.” Old Testament punishment- Deuteronomy 27: 1 5 “Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image.” That’s right kids don’t EVER draw, sculpt or paint or else god will curse you. Wanna be an artist, a photographer, take a picture of yourself or family? TOO BAD, God says no! You better drop out of art class before he smites you with boils.

3rd. Commandment, Exodus 20:7 “Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain”. Old Testament punishment - Leviticus 24:16 “And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death”, New Testament punishment - Matthew 12:32 “Whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come”. Mark 3:29 - “He that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgivness, but is in danger of eternal damnation”.

4th. Commandment, Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy”. Old Testament punishment - Exodus 31:15 “Whosoever shall work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death”. Numbers 15:32. “And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the Sabbath day…And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.”

5th. Commandment, Exodus 20:12 “Honour thy father and thy mother”. Old Testament punishment - Exodus 21:15-17 “And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death”. More punishment - Exodus 21:17 “And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death”.

6th. Commandment, Exodus 20:13 “Thou shalt not kill”. Strangely enough this is a commandment despite all the punishments that require death in the New Testament and the Old Testament. How can thou not kill when thou is commanded to kill at the same time? This hypocrisy should be pointed out if the ten commandments are posted in schools, court rooms and buildings of legislation. The confusion of this commandment would surely bring capitol punishment into question.

7th. Commandment, Exodus 20:14 “Thou shalt not commit adultery”. Old Testament punishment - Leviticus 20:10 “And the man that committeth adultery with another man’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death”.

Woman with “familiar spirits” must be stoned to death. Leviticus 20:27

“Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.” Exodus 22:18



Kill those who are not Christian or Jewish:

You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5

On and on and on ...

Read my post above please, and once again you Deu states entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; ENTICE OTHERS.

This death, could be imagery for a spiritual death. And it's not that it's nullified, but CHRIS comes to die for our Sin not sins, so that all this is forgiven and nobody has to die. For if they repent they gain there salvation.

Find a book after the Old Testament that says anything about putting somebody to death.

And the punishment is death.



OH BS! The death is physical and you know it! And Jesus said clearly that the law stands until heaven and earth pass away. It hasn't. The OT law stands!



I just listed a whole slew of them! Want more?!

"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand." Deu. 32:39

"The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up." 1 Sam. 2:6

15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

A child who hits or curses his parents must be executed. 21:15, 17

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. 21:24-25

2:27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.

32:28 And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.

Leviticus

"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall surely be put to death." Couldn't we try spanking first? 20:9

Both parties in adultery shall be executed. 20:10
If a man has sex with his father's wife, kill them both. 20:11
If a man "lies" with his daughter-in-law, then both must be killed. 20:12
If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13
If you "lie" with your wife and your mother-in-law (now that sounds fun!), then all three of you must be burned to death. 20:14
If a man or woman "lie with a beast" both the person and the poor animal are to be killed. 20:15-16
People with "familiar spirits" (witches, fortune tellers, etc.) are to be stoned to death. 20:27
A priest's daughter who "plays the whore" is to be burned to death. 21:9

Numbers (31:1-54) Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: "Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." So they went back and did as Moses (and presumably God) instructed, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000 virgins.

More?!

Correct. It is a physical death. There is a lot of killing in the Old Testament. seanph gave excellent examples.

The number one reason I am no longer a Christian--after 15 long years--was the actions of the Bible-god. The more I read the scriptures, the more disgusted I became.

I'd rather serve an eternity in hell, then one second in heaven with the god of the Bible.

It's corrupt--save for the TC?! How could you possibly know this?! And, again, which set of TC are you referring to--Exodus 20 or 34? Also, if the OT law is null and void ... so are the TC, yes? Please answer!

Hello again Yelekiah thanks for supporting me Well here goes the naswer to your Post no. 46 (I Hope i m rite about the no. )

Polygamy was a way of life until the Quran was revealed 1400 years ago. When the earth was young and under-populated, polygamy was one way of populating it and bringing in the human beings needed to carry out God's plan. By the time the Quran was revealed, the world had been sufficiently populated, and the Quran put down the first limitations against polygamy.


Polygamy is permitted in the Quran, but under strictly observed circumstances. Any abuse of this divine permission incurs severe retribution. Thus, although polygamy is permitted by God, it behooves us to examine our circumstances carefully before saying that a particular polygamous relationship is permissible.


Our perfect example here is the prophet Muhammad. He was married to one wife, Khadijah, until she died. He had all his children, except one, from Khadijah. Thus, she and her children enjoyed the Prophet's full attention for as long as she was married to him; twenty-five years. For all practical purposes, Muhammad had one wife - from the age of 25 to 50. During the remaining 13 years of his life, he married the aged widows of his friends who left many children. The children needed a complete home, with a fatherly figure, and the Prophet provided that. Providing a fatherly figure for orphans is the only specific circumstance in support of polygamy mentioned in the Quran (4:3).


Other than marrying widowed mothers of orphans, there were three political marriages in the Prophet's life. His close friends Abu Bakr and Omar insisted that he marry their daughters, Aisha and Hafsah, to establish traditional family ties among them. The third marriage was to Maria the Egyptian; she was given to him as a political gesture of friendship from the ruler of Egypt.

This perfect example tells us that a man must give his full attention and loyalty in marriage to his wife and children in order to raise a happy and wholesome family.


The Quran emphasizes the limitations against polygamy in very strong words:

"If you fear lest you may not be perfectly equitable in

treating more than one wife, then you shall be content with one."

(4:3) "You cannot be equitable in a polygamous relationship, no matter how hard you try." (4:129)


The Quranic limitations against polygamy point out the possibility of abusing God's law. Therefore, unless we are absolutely sure that God's law will not be abused, we had better resist our lust and stay away from polygamy. If the circumstances do not dictate polygamy, we had better give our full attention to one wife and one set of children. The children's psychological and social well-being, especially in countries where polygamy is prohibited, almost invariably dictate monogamy. A few basic criteria must be observed in contemplating polygamy:


1. It must alleviate pain and suffering and not cause any pain or suffering.

2. If you have a young family, it is almost certain that polygamy is an abuse.

3. Polygamy to substitute a younger wife is an abuse of God's law (4:19).




HOMOSEXUALITY

Homosexuality is a sin. Men and women should abstain from any practice
of Homosexuality.

Homosexuality is prohibited in Quran per the example of the people of Lot.
The following verses will make this clear, God willing.

[7:80-81]

Lot said to his people, "You commit such an abomination; no one
in the world has done it before! "You practice sex with the men,
instead of the women. Indeed, you are a transgressing people."

[26:165-166]

"Do you have sex with the males, of all the people? "You forsake
the wives that your Lord has created for you! Indeed, you are
transgressing people."

The Quran forbids any sexual relationship other than in a marriage
between a man and a woman. Many homosexual men and women
claim that they are born with their sexual preferences and that they
have no choice. Although this point is very much in dispute in the
medical world, it has no support in the Quran. Even then, irrespective
of the nature of homosexuality, this matter would not affect the laws
spelled out clearly in the Quran .

We know that this life is a test. Everyone of us has his/her own test.
For example someone may be born blind, but that person is expected
to live his/her life according to God's law. Others are born poor, short,
tall, weak, missing fingers, having big nose...etc but all of them are
expected to follow God's law. Some men or women may never marry in
their life, or spend part of their life without a spouse. As per the Quran
they still have to live a chaste life and avoid any sexual contacts outside a
marriage. They have to suppress their sexual feelings to follow God's law.
It is a major test and not an easy one for many. Only those who submit to
God will do everything they can to follow His law. They know that their
salvation and eternal happiness rests in doing so.

Since God condemns homosexuality, then we have to believe that a
man or a woman with homosexual feelings is expected to behave like
any other human being and follows God's laws if he/she truely believes in
them. He/she shall resist his/her feelings , maintains abstinence , use all
available resources of help including medical, social and behavioral
therapies to overcome their behavior and feelings.
They should pray to God to help them getting over it and submit to God's
law that sees homosexuality as gross sin. Only those who steadfastly
persevere in obeying God's law will they pass their test and confirm their
submission to God.

For a person who asks, "why me?" We know God is the Most
Merciful and Just (16:90) and He will give each one of us a fair
test and a fair chance. He assigns the tests to suite each one of us
and we believe that He will never burden any soul beyond its
means (23:2).

[17:89]

We have cited for the people in this Quran all kinds of examples,
but most people insist upon disbelieving.


[18:54]

We have cited in this Quran every kind of example, but the human
being is the most argumentative creature.


[39:27]

We have cited for the people every kind of example in this Quran,
that they may take heed.

The spouses that God have made from among ourselves are those that aid in
producing children. Since the spouses in homosexual relationship would not
produce children they are not the spouses God made from among ourselves.


[16:72]

And GOD made for you spouses from among yourselves, and produced for
you from your spouses children and grandchildren, and provided you with
good provisions. Should they believe in falsehood, and turn unappreciative
of GOD's blessings?


With regard to dealing with homosexuals, the basic rule governing this would
be 60:8 & 9.

[60:8-9]

GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight
you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You
may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the
equitable. GOD enjoins you only from befriending those who fight
you because of religion, evict you from your homes, and band
together with others to banish you. You shall not befriend them.
Those who befriend them are the transgressors.

However, to be a winner we have to advocate righteousness and
forbid evil.


[3:104]

Let there be a community of you who invite to what is good, advocate
righteousness, and forbid evil. These are the winners.


[3:110]

You are the best community ever raised among the people: you advocate
righteousness and forbid evil, and you believe in GOD. If the followers of
the scripture believed, it would be better for them. Some of them do believe,
but the majority of them are wicked.


[9:71]

The believing men and women are allies of one another. They advocate
righteousness and forbid evil, they observe the Contact Prayers (Salat)
and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), and they obey GOD and His
messenger. These will be showered by GOD's mercy. GOD is
Almighty, Most Wise.


Also, if God so wills, a reminder may benefit the person.


[6:69]

The righteous are not responsible for the utterances of those people,
but it may help to remind them; perhaps they may be saved.


[87:9]

Therefore, you shall remind; perhaps the reminder will benefit.



"Can a person Cure it's homosexuality?as it is Prohibited in Islam"

Absolutely. There are men who have lived a homosexual life that has left that life behind and are now happily married. When those men appear to tell their story,
they are often attacked by other men who have chosen a homosexual life style who claims that it is impossible to first be gay and then turn straight, and are sure that these men must be lying to themselves.
As it turns out some people living a homosexual life, and some people supporting people living homosexual lives, simply cannot accept and will even quite aggressively argue against the fact, that there are men who can be confused for a while, but later get their sexuality sorted out and return to leading a heterosexual life.
It is kind of the same phenomena that people who decide to dedicate all their worship to God alone go through. They are constantly approached and attacked by those who have chosen to stay behind, who wish that they too would stay in their place and not change, not move forward and not leave them behind, as it exposes their choice.
We all go through a purification process in this life, as we are all born into this world with qualities to rid ourselves of, rooted in our ego. Some go through more obvious purification than others (and this can be a true blessing) and some less obvious, but equally as important and serious.
To help us in this process, God has provided for us some extremely powerful tools. One of the most important tools is the daily Contact Prayers – Salat. Another extremely important command is to seek refuge in God whenever Satan approaches us with a suggestion/whisper/feeling.
[7:200]When the devil whispers to you any whisper, seek refuge in GOD; He is Hearer, Omniscient.
There are a few verses in the Quran giving us the formula for how to do this. I’ve listed those verses below as they are translated into English.
[23:97]Say, "My Lord, I seek refuge in You from the whispers of the devils.
[23:98]"And I seek refuge in You, my Lord, lest they come near me."

[113:0]In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
[113:1]Say, "I seek refuge in the Lord of daybreak.

[113:2]"From the evils among His creations.

[113:3]"From the evils of darkness as it falls.

[113:4]"From the evils of the troublemakers.

[113:5]"From the evils of the envious when they envy."

[114:0]In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
[114:1]Say, "I seek refuge in the Lord of the people.

[114:2]"The King of the people.

[114:3]"The god of the people.

[114:4]"From the evils of sneaky whisperers.

[114:5]"Who whisper into the chests of the people.

[114:6]"Be they of the jinns, or the people."

<< Should i get married to a girl as my family tells me to? Will this be fair to the girl in islamic terms? or should come out to my family, disappoint them, and make them hate me? >>
Ask yourself this: Would you want somebody to marry you for the wrong reasons? God clearly tells us that there must be love and care between a husband and a wife. These are signs from Him that two people are meant for each other. When there is no love between two people, there can be no marriage (30:21).
Sometimes we make things more difficult for ourselves than they need to be. We allow ourselves to accept pressure on us suggested by other people. It is up to us to accept those suggestions, or ignore them.
You must lead your life in your own way, in your own time. Don’t get us wrong, it is very good that you are reconsidering your position towards choosing a homosexual life style, as this is clearly against God’s command. The situation could however worsen if you allow yourself to be rushed, forced or indirectly pushed into a situation which you didn’t really want or choose for yourself. This way you are guaranteed to become miserable and also make people around you miserable.
It sounds as if you need some time for yourself to regain your strength, clarity, sense of direction and focus in life. You need to figure out who you are, where you want to go in life, and how you intend to get there. Only then can you honestly lay out your travel plans and find a suitable companion to join you on your journey trough life.
For some people this doesn’t take long, for others it takes much longer than people around them would like. Actually it is nobody else’s business how long you need for this process.
I do not advice you to "come out" to your family, especially since you are striving to reconsider your position. If you do, your family will never look at you the same way again, even if you eventually choose a heterosexual life – you know that. Therefore "coming out" is placing yourself in a corner, increasing the pressure which is already taking a serious toll on you, and making life unnecessarily difficult for yourself.
<< I really want to restore my faith and be happy and lead a normal life.>>
Know this. Once you seek God’s kingdom over you, everything else will fall into place. We do not possess the power to make ourselves, our family, or anyone else happy or miserable – only God possesses that power. His promise to us is that if we choose Him as our Lord and Master, He will provide for all our wants and needs. He will also provide for us the understanding of what is happening in our lives, that we may happily accept whatever is going on around us, and willingly submitting to the same. He is the Most Merciful, the Most Kind, the Most Just.
Once you repent and reform, ALL your past sins will turn into credits for you. You will start anew, and face life with support from an Almighty, Most Wise.
[25:70]Exempted are those who repent, believe, and lead a righteous life. GOD transforms their sins into credits. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
To stay on His path we need to nourish our souls, that our body and its desires looses its power and control over us. We actively do this by feeding our souls five times a day through Salat.



I Hope this must have Explained you....



Zeeshan ahmed

A former Muslim (Ali Sina) on Muhammad ...

(a) Muhammad lived a less than holy life. His lust for sex, his affairs with his maids and slave girls, his pedophilic relationship at age 54 with Aisha, a 9-year-old child, his killing sprees, his massacre and the genocide of the Jews, his slave making and trading, his assassination of his opponents, his raids and lootings of the merchant caravans and unarmed villagers, his burning of trees, his destroying the water wells, his cursing and invoking evil on his enemies, his revenge on his captured prisoners of war, his torturing of his captives to for greed and his hallucinations such as believing of having sex with his wives when he actually did not, disqualify him as a sane person let alone a messenger of God ...

REST HERE
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sinaprologue.htm

1-3 are very good. As long as you are not causing pain and suffering, of course, how can it be a bad thing? If all the women are fine with it, being in a polygamous relationship shouldn't cause harm, according to this. (It reminds me of Hugh Hefner. But I'm not sure if he has sex with all those girls)
I like the fact that in the Koran, homosexuality is "curable". I think at times, it is more carefully written than the Bible. Terrorists give Islam a bad name basically. And incidentally, a lot of the things they believe in, don't even coincide with the Koran!

Once again, you did a fantastic job. I applaud you.

Interesting site.
"b) An unbiased study of the Quran shows that far from being a “miracle”, that book is a hoax."
But is it truly unbiased?
They have to take into consideration that there are a lot of mistranslations from Arabic to English.

Hello
Well Here goes the Reply to 'artymoon' about this that Quran was Modified by Humans.
Well my Dear Here is a Technical thing
HAVE U EVER NOTICED AN UPDATED SOFTWARE, LIKE WIN98 UPDATED TO WIN2000 LATER XP. EVERY ONE STRIVE FOR MORE PERFECTION. HENCE WHERE ALLAH HAD RE-VEAL TORAIT TO MUSA (PBUH) HE ASKED HIM TO FORM THESE 10TH-COMMANDMENTS AMONG MY FOLLOWERS. WHEN (ZABOOR) RE-VEALED TO DAVID (PBUH) THE MESSAGE ONLY CONTAIN THE RYHMES FOR THE LOVE OF ALLAH. DAVID(PBUH) WAS ASKED TO FOLLOW AND MAINTAIN RULES OF TORAIT (10TH-COMMANDMENTS). WHEN JESUS (PBUH)WAS BORN AS A JEWS UPDATED TO CHRISTIANITY. BUT WITH THE FINAL MESSAGE TO MUHAMMAD(PBUH)THE ALLAH'S ORDER AND LAW CAME TO THE FINAL UPDATE WITH THE REVEALATION OF HOLY QURAN.

See my Dear Fellow Human Everything that is in Quran is Considered and Believed as True Word of Allah (Jalla-Jalala-Hu).But Quran does not Explain Each and Everything in Detail like it is been Ordered in Quran by Allah that Perform Salath Prayers, Keep Rozas etc. but it is not Explained how to perform these things.Our Holy Prophet Mohammad (P.B.U.H) Gave Hadeeses (Hadiths) means explained each and every thing to us he indeed Interpreted true Meaning of Holy Quran
One Thing more According to Quran and Mohammad (P.B.U.H) about 100024 Prophets came to Earth time by time to make the Humans Follow Allah's Teachings, Out of Them Mohammad (P.B.U.H) is Considered as a Blessing to all of them and Considered to be the Last Prophet of Allah. Allah said that Holy Quran is my Book and i will Protect it from Evry body who will try to Modify or Destroy it (Nauz-o-Billah).And from then The Quran is as Pure and Real as it was Given to Mohammad (P.B.U.H).

I Hope this would have Cleaned some Misconceptions on Islam in Ur Mind...

Thank You

Zeeshan Ahmed

THE ROLE OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD

PROPHET'S ONLY DUTY


The Quran utilizes "the double negative" to emphasize that the prophet had NO duty EXCEPT delivering the Quran.

"You have NO duty EXCEPT DELIVERING the message." 42:48

"Your ONLY duty is delivering, we will call them to account." 13:40

"The messenger has NO function EXCEPT delivery of the message." 5:99

THE QURAN IS THE MESSAGE

"We have sent down to you a scripture containing YOUR MESSAGE. Do you not understand?" 21:10

MARMADUKE PICKTHALL'S TRANSLATION :

"Thine is ONLY to convey (the message)." 42:48

"..thine is BUT conveyance (of the message)." 13:40

"The duty of the messenger is ONLY to convey (the message)" 5:99

"Now we have revealed unto you a Scripture wherein is YOUR REMINDER." 21:10

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"And when you preach your Lord, using the Quran ALONE, they run away in aversion." 17:46

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"The messenger said (on the Day of Judgment), "My Lord, my people have DESERTED this Quran." [25:30]


PROPHET MUHAMMAD FORBIDDEN FROM ISSUING RELIGIOUS

INSTRUCTION OTHER THAN THE QURAN


"This is the utterance of an honorable messenger. Not the utterance of a poet; rarely do you believe. Nor the utterance of a soothsayer; rarely do you take heed. A revelation from the Lord of the universe. Had he uttered any other teachings. We would have punished him. We would have stopped the revelations to him." [69:40-46]

PROPHET MUHAMMAD FORBIDDEN FROM

EXPLAINING THE QURAN


"Do not move your tongue to hasten it. It is we who will collect it into Quran. Once we recite it, you shall follow such a Quran. Then it is WE who will explain it." 75:16-19


GOD - TEACHER OF THE QURAN


"The Most Gracious. Teacher of the Quran." 55:1-2


QURAN - FULLY DETAILED AND ONLY

SOURCE OF RELIGIOUS LAW


"Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt. The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient." 6:114-115


"This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than GOD. It confirms all previous messages, and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe." 10:37


OBEYING THE PROPHET IS UPHOLDING

THE QURAN ONLY


Prophet Muhammad obviously was a believer, and as a believer he followed the above verses from the Quran, which came from his own mouth. Now that Muhammad is dead, obeying him is upholding what he upheld. To suggest that Muhammad violated the above verses, by issuing religious laws or following other sources besides the Quran (like the insistence on hadith/sunnah), is to say that Muhammad was a disbeliever.

DEAD, NOT ALIVE

God in His infinite Wisdom, has clarified the meaning of DEAD, a meaning the idolators cannot comprehend. Muhammad is dead. How can you obey a dead man?

"They are DEAD, N O T A L I V E, and they have no idea how or when they will be resurrected." 16:21


Glorifying Muhammed, the truth and the myth

AL-SALAT ALA AL-NABI and AL-TASLEEM

Modified after an article by : A. Muhammed


This very common phrase (AL-SALAT ALA AL-NABI and AL-TASLEEM) derives from the following verse, 33:56:

"God and His angels ‘Yossalloon ala al Nabi’, O you believers you shall ‘Salloo alayhee’ and ‘Sallemoo tasleema’."

Since this is a clear command from God, we must surely obey it. However, and before obeying this command we must first understand the meaning of it. We notice that the verse contained two commands, the ‘Salla ala al Nabi’ and the ‘Tasleem’.

First we should inspect the present interpretation of these words among Muslims today, then we must find out whether this interpretation is in line with the one contained in the Quran. To do this, the easiest method is to ask any Muslim as to what is the meaning of the simple and widely spoken words ‘Salli ala al Nabi’.

Strangely enough, when most Muslims are asked as to what these words mean they are not really sure! The reader is welcomed to try this himself.

The simple question asked is:

‘When you say ‘Salli ala al Nabi’ what do you really mean? Are you praising the prophet? Are you imploring him so that he may intercede on your behalf on judgment day, are you praying God to grant the prophet His highest mercy? or what?

If the common Muslim has not made up his mind as to the meaning of the words he repeats many times a day, what then is the opinion of the the interpreters?

First they will say that God has exclusively honored Muhammad when He said :

"God and His angels Yossalloon ala al Nabi (for the prophet)"

Immediately, their claim is exposed by Quranic evidence. In the Quran we read that God and His angels do the same to all believers and not just to the prophet:

"He is the one who ‘Yessallee alaikom’ (for the believers) and His angels, to deliver you out of darkness into the light" 33:43


we also read :

"These (the believers) have deserved ‘Sallawat’ from their Lord and mercy, they are the guided ones." 2:157 … again the same meaning, but the matter does not end there, in Sura 9 we find God commanding the prophet to do the same for the believers :

"Take from their money a charity to purify them and sanctify them, and ‘Salli alaihom’ for your ‘Sallawat’ reassures them. God is Hearer, Omniscient." 9:103

Now if this verb ‘Yessalli’ is done by Allah to the believers, also by the prophet to the believers, how can the interpreters say that it is an exclusive honor bestowed by God on the prophet?!!!

To verify that let us study the use of the word ‘Sallat’ in the Quran. Immediately we find that the word ‘Sallat’ has been mentioned in the Quran in two different context :

a- The ‘Sallat’ for Allah, which is an act of worship, as used in the following verse :

"I am God; there is no other God beside Me, Thus you shall worship me and observe the ‘Salat’ to commemorate Me." 20:14

b- The ‘Sallat’ of the prophet on the believers or of the believers on the prophet as mentioned in previous verses.


The difference between the two uses of the same word all depends on the letter or the word that comes immediately after the word ‘Salat’.

The word ‘Salat’ is either followed by the Arabic letter ‘L’ which means (to, for) as in:

"……..observe the ‘Salat’ to commemorate Me." (Sura 20, verse 14)

This first use, means the act of prayer, which is done exclusively for God.


The word ‘Salat’ can also be followed by the Arabic word ‘Ala’ which means (on) as in all the previous verses.

Now, if ‘Salat for’ means the act of worship of God, what is the meaning of the word ‘Salat on’ as the one done for the prophet or the believers?

Going back to (Sura 33, verse 56), and since the two verbs (Yossalloon and Salloo) are used in the same verse, without any insinuation of a change in meaning, then by logic they must have the same meaning.

Consequently, when God informs us that He and the angels (Yossalloon ala al Nabi), then in the same sentence commands us to do the same, we must understand that it is of the same meaning.

Here we reach the heart of the matter. What is the meaning of (Sallat ala al Nabi) that can be done by God and by the believers equally? The same thing that is done by God must be done by the believers, as per the previous example.

The only meaning for the words ‘Sallat ala al Nabi’ that is found in the Quran and that can apply to God, His angels and to the believers alike is to ‘support the prophet’. God and His angels indeed support the prophet and by the same token God commands the believers to support His prophet. This correct meaning is confirmed by Quranic verses :


1- God supports His prophet :

[48:1] We have bestowed upon you (O Messenger) a great victory.

[48:2] Whereby GOD forgives your past sins, as well as future sins, and perfects His blessings upon you, and guides you in a straight path.

[48:3] Additionally, GOD will support you with an unwavering support.


2- The angels commanded by God to support the prophet :


[3:124] You told the believers, "Is it not enough that your Lord supports you with three thousand angels, sent down?"


3- Believers commanded to support the prophet of God :


[59:8] (You shall give) to the needy who immigrated. They were evicted from their homes and deprived of their properties, because they sought GOD's grace and pleasure, and because they supported GOD and His messenger. They are the truthful.

See also; 9:40 and 7:157

It is clear from these verses that God commands believers to do three things regarding His prophet :

1- To believe in him.

2- To support him.

3- To obey and follow his message (the Quran).

Thus the correct meaning of the words ‘Sallat ala al Nabi’ is to support the prophet. Since the prophet is now dead and no longer with us then it is not possible to support him personally. The support now is directed to his message which is the Quran.

With that correct meaning of the word, it is right to think that when God ‘Yessallee ala al Momeneen’ it means He supports them and guides them out of the darkness. This meaning is indeed confirmed in the verse :

"He is the one who ‘Yessallee alaikom’ (supports you), together with His angels, to lead you out of the darkness into the light." 33:43

Similarly when God and His angels ‘Yessalloo ala al Nabi’ it is in the sense that He supports the prophet together with His angels. God does not go around repeating the words ‘Sallee ala al Nabi’, ‘Sallee ala al Nabi’ !!!

Similarly when the prophet ‘Yessalle ala al Momeneen’ (believers), as God commanded him in (Sura 9, verse 103), it is in the sense, that is he is to support them. Obviously God’s command to His prophet in this verse does not mean that the prophet should go around saying ‘Sallee ala Zeid’, ‘Sallee ala Ali’, ‘Sallee ala Belal’ !!


If this is the correct meaning of the words ‘Sallat ala al Nabi’, then what is the meaning of the word ‘Tasslleem’ as in ‘Wa sallemoo tasleema’ (Sura 33, verse 56)?

Sadly, the corrupted interpreters have found another corrupted meaning to these words as well. They claim that these words are a command from God to salute the prophet and send him our greetings! This is based on their false interpretation of the word ‘Tasleema’ to mean greetings!

This is contrary to the meaning of the word in the Quran where " Tasleem" means recognition and acceptance.

As in the subject of this search (33:56)

The word ‘Taslleem’ is found in only three verses in the Quran, and in all three verses it means to recognize and endorse:

[4:65] Never indeed, by your Lord; they are not believers unless they come to you to judge in their disputes, then find no hesitation in their hearts whatsoever in accepting your judgment. They must submit a total submission.‘Yessallemoo Taslleema’

[33:22] When the true believers saw the parties (ready to attack), they said, "This is what GOD and His messenger have promised us, and GOD and His messenger are truthful." This (dangerous situation) only strengthened their faith and augmented their submission. (Iman and Taslleem)

[33:56] "God and His angels ‘Yessalloo ala al Nabi’ (support him). O you who believe you shall ‘Salloo alayhee’ (support him) and Sallemoo Taslleema , ( fully recognize him and accept him as the messenger of God)."

A very simple and effective way of proving that the word ‘Tasslleem’ means recognition and not greetings as the corrupters would have us believe, is to substitute each of these two words, first (recognition), then (greetings) in place of the word ‘Tasslleem’ in each of the previous verses and see which one of the two words make more sense.

The correct meaning of verse 56 of Sura 33 is thus:

[33:56] GOD and His angels help and support the prophet. O you who believe, you shall help and support him, and regard him as he should be regarded.

Indeed it makes perfect sense that God should command the believers to support His prophet and totally accept him rather than to be primarily concerned in people going around saying (Sallee ala al Nabi) without understanding what it really means and sending our greeting to the prophet who is dead and can no longer hear us, (see Sura 35, verse 14).

This accurate and precise meaning is asserted and authenticated in 7:157

[7:157] "...... Those who believe in him (prophet) , respect him, support him, and follow the light that came with him are the successful ones."

This verse includes all that God commanded us to do for the prophet :

1- To believe in him, which corresponds to (Sallemoo Tasleema) in 33:56

2- To support him which correspond to (Salloo Alayhee) in the same verse.

3- To obey him (to follow the message that was revealed to him, which is the Quran).

This is what God commands any people to do for their prophet, whether they are the people of Moses, Jesus or Muhammad.

The importance of this last verse is profound since it exposes the corrupted interpretation of three prime concepts :

1- ‘Sallemmo Tasllemma’ is a command from God to the believers to recognize and believe in His prophet, it is not a command from God for them to send him greetings!!!

2- ‘Salloo Alayhee’ is a command from God to the believers to support His prophet, it is not a command to the believers to go around like parrots repeating ‘Salli ala al Nabi’ without even knowing what it means!

3- To obey the prophet is a command from God to the believers to follow the light (Quran) that He has revealed to His prophet (7:157), it is not a command to follow that which is falsely attributed to the prophet, and called his Sunna, and which was never mentioned in the Quran, not even once! The only Sunna authorized in the Quran is the Sunna of God.

The difference between

'Prophet' and 'Messenger'

according to the Quran


"The Most Gracious, teacher of the Quran" 55:1-2

With this promise in mind, one has to remember that the teaching of God is the BEST teaching, and the knowledge given by God is the most accurate knowledge. All the teachings or knowledge given by the human beings can be compared to that given by God and only those teachings which agree with the teachings of God can be accepted as truth, irrespective of how many scholars agree or disagree with it. As God promised, those who will not accept the words of God in the Quran will not have access to understanding the Quran. They have shields placed around their hearts and deafness in their ears.6:25, 17:46 and 18:57

"Who is more wicked than one who is reminded of the proofs of His Lord, then disregard them, while unaware of his sin ? Consequently, we place shields on their hearts, to prevent them from understanding (Quran), and deafness in their ears. Thus, if you invite them to the guidance, they can NEVER EVER be guided." 18:57

One of the issues that always comes up when discussing the Quran is the issue of the definition of the Prophet (Nabi) and the definition of the messenger (Rasoul). As a believer would imagine, NO ONE can define these better than the One who sent them both, the prophets and the messengers. It is interesting to note that the definition of the prophet and messenger is very clear in the Quran. Most of the scholars, and their followers, however, do not accept the definition given by God and instead accept the definition they gave themselves or given in the dictionary by older scholars.

Believing in God means to believe Him and accept His teaching and His word. Choosing the scholars or the dictionary over God reflects a disbelief in God and His word (Quran). God called this kind of practice, idol-worship.

"They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords; instead of God....." 9:31


God's Definition of

PROPHET and MESSENGER

(Nabi and Rasoul)


In 3:81 God described exactly the function of the Prophet (Nabi) and the function of the Messenger (Rasoul). Both definitions come in the middle of a very important verse that is dealing with the Messenger of the Covenant. For the sincere believer both definitions are clear and well described by the Teacher of the Quran, the Most Gracious.

"God took a covenant from the PROPHETS, saying, "I will give you the SCRIPTURE AND WISDOM. Afterwards, a MESSENGER will come to CONFIRM all existing scriptures. You shall believe in him and support him." He said, "Do you agree with this, and pledge to fulfill this covenant?" They said, "We agree." He said, "You have thus borne witness, and I bear witness along with you." 3:81

Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall translated 3:81 as follows:

"When Allah made (His) covenant with the PROPHETS, (He said): Behold that which I have GIVEN you of the SCRIPTURE AND KNOWLEDGE. And afterward there will come unto you a MESSENGER, CONFIRMING that which ye possess. Ye shall believe in him and ye shall help him. He said: Do ye agree, and will ye take up My burden (which I lay upon you)in this (matter)? They answered: We agree. He said: Then bear witness. I will be a witness with you."

Verse 3:81, among many other verses, provides the definitions of "Nabi" (Prophet) and "Rasoul" (Messenger). Thus, "Nabi" is a messenger of God who delivers a new scripture, while "Rasoul" is a messenger commissioned by God to confirm existing scripture; he does not bring a new scripture. According to the Quran, every "Nabi" is a "Rasoul," but not every "Rasoul" is a "Nabi." It is not logical that God will give a scripture to a prophet, then ask him to keep it exclusively for himself, as stated by some Muslim "scholars" (2:42, 146, 159).

The Quranic definition of Prophet, and how all the prophets were given Scripture to deliver, is also confirmed in the following verse:

"The people used to be one community when God sent THE PROPHETS as bearers of good news, as well as warners. HE SENT DOWN WITH THEM THE SCRIPTURE, bearing the truth, to judge among the people in their disputes" 2:213

Those who are not sufficiently familiar with the Quran tend to think that Aaron was a "Nabi" as stated in 19:53, who did not receive a scripture. This claim can only be made by those who do not believe the Quran, since God ascertains in 2:213 that all the prophets were sent with the Scripture. Moreover, the Quran clearly states that the Torah was given specifically "to both Moses and Aaron" (21:48, 37:117).

In other terms ALL THE PROPHETS are MESSENGERS, but NOT ALL the MESSENGERS are PROPHETS.

MORE PROOFS from the Quran

PROPHETHOOD AND SCRIPTURE

Whenever God mentions prophethood in the Quran, He mentions scripture and sometimes wisdom. The association of prophethood and scripture cannot be missed except by those blocked by God from seeing the truth. The following are some examples:

"Never would a human being whom GOD blessed with the scripture and prophethood say to the people, "Idolize me beside GOD." Instead, (he would say), "Devote yourselves absolutely to your Lord alone," according to the scripture you preach and the teachings you learn." 3:79

"Those were the ones to whom we have given the scripture, wisdom, and prophethood. If these people disbelieve, we will substitute others in their place, and the new people will not be disbelievers." 6:89

"We granted him Isaac and Jacob, we assigned to his descendants prophethood and the scriptures, we endowed him with his due recompense in this life, and in the Hereafter he will surely be with the righteous." 29:27

"We have given the Children of Israel the scripture, wisdom, and prophethood, and provided them with good provisions; we bestowed upon them more blessings than any other people." 45:16

"We sent Noah and Abraham, and we granted their descendants prophethood and the scripture. Some of them were guided, while many were wicked." 57:26

MESSENGER PROPHET and not, PROPHET MESSENGER:

The first example for messenger prophet comes from 7:157, and 7:158 where God described the Prophet Muhammed as, "the messenger the prophet" and not as "the prophet the messenger," not a coincidence, [God does not have coincidences]. The reason is that not every messenger is a prophet and therefore the word PROPHET is used to further define and clarify the description of that messenger.

"follow the messenger, the prophet (gentile prophet) (Muhammed), whom they find written in their Torah and

Gospel . . . " 7:157

"..........therefore you shall believe in God and His messenger, the prophet (gentile prophet), who believes in God and His words. Follow him, that you may be guided." 7:158

MOSES, THE MESSENGER PROPHET:

In 19:51, Moses was described by God as a messenger prophet (Rasoulan Nabyya), and NOT as a prophet messenger (Nabyyan Rasoula).

ISMAIL, THE MESSENGER PROPHET

In 19:54, Ismail is described with the same words, 'Rasoulan Nabyyan'.

The reason is that, NOT every Rasoul (Messenger) is a Nabi (Prophet), BUT every Prophet (Nabi) is a Messenger (Rasoul), so God defined the word Rasoul by adding to it Nabyya. God does not make mistakes and He does not choose His words haphazard, it is meant to be in this order.

OTHER EXAMPLES are found in the Quran to clarify this description:

HUMAN BEING MESSENGER:

"Am I more than a human messenger (Basharan Rasoula)" 17:93

Notice, " a human messenger" and NOT "a messenger human (Rasoulan Bashara)."

The reason is that not every Bashar (human) is a Rasoul (messenger) while every Rasoul (messenger) from among us is a Bashar (human).

17:94, has the same expression again, human messenger (Basharan Rasoula), not (Rasoulan Bashara)

ANGEL MESSENGER:

" . . . we would have sent to them from the sky an angel messenger (Malakan Rasoula)" 17:95

Notice, "an angle messenger" and NOT "a messenger angel (Rasoulan Malaka). The reason is that not every angel is a messenger but every messenger FROM God's soldiers is an angel.

SAINT PROPHET:

In 19:41, God described Abraham as "a Siddiqan Nabyya (Saint Prophet)" and NOT as a Nabyyan Siddiqa, (Prophet Saint). The reason is that not every Siddiq (Saint ) is a prophet, while every prophet is a siddiq.

If God would say, Abraham was a Nabbyan Siddiqua (prophet saint), this would indicate that not every prophet is a saint while every saint is a prophet.

In 19:56, God described the prophet Idris the same way, as a Siddiquan Nabyya (Saint prophet).

NO WHERE in the whole Quran does God use these terms different. God never described a prophet as a prophet messenger ( Nabbyan Rasoula), or prophet saint (Nabyyan Siddiqua).

'MESSENGER NOR A PROPHET' :

Perhaps one of the strongest indications in the Quran that the words prophet and messenger do not have the same meaning, is found in the following verse:

"We did not send before you any MESSENGER NOR A PROPHET, without having the devil interfere in his wishes. GOD then nullifies what the devil has done. GOD perfects His revelations. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise." 22:52

If the words prophet and messenger had the same meaning God would not be saying "MESSENGER NOR A PROPHET" ...... would He ? Had the two words had exactly the same meaning , then mentioning one of them would have been sufficient.

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The Quran is clear that EVERY PROPHET (NABI) IS A MESSENGER (RASOUL) BUT NOT EVERY MESSENGER IS A PROPHET.


Now that we have the definition of Prophet (Nabi) and Messenger (Rasoul) by God Almighty Himself, the Teacher of the Quran, NO SCHOLAR's opinion can change that fact. We, however are FREE to side with God or side with the scholars. Generations before you did just that and were described by God in the Quran in 9:31:

"They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords, instead of God . . . "

This kind of idol-worship is leading only to one place, and it is not Heaven"



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Prophet Muhammed's Marriage to Aisha


We received this question from one of our web site visitors. It has been repeated enough to post it as one of our articles.


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In the name of God, the most gracious and the most merciful.

Greetings,

For the sake of information only, I would like to ask you to kindly provide
me with information on the prophet Muhammad's marriage with Aisha. I have
heard that the holy prophet married her when she was six, and consummated
the marriage when she was nine (nine!). How true, and sensible is this?

Secondly, where in Quran is the age for marriage for girls (and/or boys)
mentioned? Quran is complete. Thus it must contain everything.

Thank you for your help.
All the guidance is from GOD.


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Salaamun Alaykum

You wrote;
<< For the sake of information only, I would like to ask you to kindly provide
me with information on the prophet Muhammad's marriage with Aisha. I have
heard that the holy prophet married her when she was six, and consummated
the marriage when she was nine (nine!). How true, and sensible is this?>>

The source of the above information can only be the Hadiths books which are nothing but lies attributed to prophet Muhammad. It has no support in Quran. It does not make practical sense. Any person at the age of six is still a child who is incapable of taking crucial decisions which are essential for marriage under Quranic guidance, like taking solemn pledge, ascertaining mutual attraction, agreeing to the dowry (including adjustment thereto), ascertaining whether the opposite person is an idol worshipper or not and many other issues. Further, marriage involves taking serious responsibilities on the part of both the spouses concerning the upbringing of the family, which a child of the age of 6 or 8 or whatever is incapable of taking.
God commanded us in the Quran not to accept any Hadith but the Quran. The prophet Muhammed himself ordered his followers not to write any hadiths and to write only the Quran. You will find a rich source of information regarding the corruption of Hadith books and how they insult the prophet Muhammed, insult God Almighty and insult this great religion on our web site at;
http://www.submission.org/hadith/

All the stories circulating on the Internet and in the hadiths books about Aisha's marriage at age of 6 or 9, are no more than lies found in the corrupted books of Hadiths and completely contradict the teachings of the prophet Muhammed that came from his mouth, the Glorious Quran. We only need to read the Quran to know how false these stories are.

<<Secondly, where in Quran is the age for marriage for girls (and/or boys)
mentioned? Quran is complete. Thus it must contain everything.>>

Yes, God says His scripture - Quran the final testament is perfect (18:2), fully detailed, complete in truth and justice (6:114-115), containing the explanations for everything (16:89), and in which every matter of wisdom is clarified (44:4). Please see http://www.submission.org/quran/every.html .

All information relevant to our salvation and our eternal life in the Hereafter is contained in the Quran. The true believers accept, without hesitation, God's assertion: ``We did not leave anything out of this book.'' Therefore if something cannot be found in the Quran, it is only because God knows it is not directly related to our salvation per se It is left out because God out of His mercy left it to us to decide for ourselves how to do it in a manner most pleasing to God and to our community, since we will be living in different communities with different customs and traditions. We should not by any mean or at any price violate God's laws to please our community or our families. God always has to be FIRST.
Some people challenge God's assertion that the Quran is complete, perfect and fully detailed, and they ask questions such as: "But the Quran doesn't say how to cut my nails, or how to sleep, or how to do this and that? I need to know how to do this." The reason why these matters are not mentioned in the Quran, is because they have no importance whatsoever for our salvation, and has absolutely nothing to do with our religion.
God clearly says in 5:6 that He made the religion easy for us. Unfortunately there are so many out there, who are doing their very best to make it difficult.
Coming to your question "where in Quran is the age for marriage for girls (and/or boys) mentioned?", it is not mentioned by numbers in the Quran, but God establishes big clear standards that indicate that marriage can happen when maturity was achieved. As we all know maturity varies from one continent to another, from the hot countries to the cold ones, from one sex to another, and from one civilization to another. God knows that and he deliberately and out of His mercy, did not put an age rule for us. He left it for every community to decide while following the general rules of maturity supplied in the Quran.
As we said before marriage means taking crucial decisions which are essential for a long marital life as per Quran, like taking solemn pledge, ascertaining mutual attraction, agreeing to the dowry (including adjustment thereto), ascertaining whether the opposite person is an idol worshipper or not and many other issues. Further, marriage involves taking serious responsibilities on the part of both the spouses concerning the upbringing of the family, which needs a degree of maturity that can best be judged by the people closer to the individual getting married.


As stated above, with regard to things not specified in the Quran, it does not make any difference to do what one wishes to do as long as the law/s decreed for us in the Quran is/are not violated.

Please visit http://www.submission.org/women/marriage.html and
http://www.submission.org/women/marriage-q.html

for details regarding marriage per Quran. What would be blasphemous and incorrect would be to falsely attribute ones wish / choice to God. In other words, if one prefers XYZ and then claims that God's law is XYZ ,then that would amount to attributing lies to God which is strongly condemned in Quran.

[6:21]
Who is more evil than one who lies about GOD, or rejects His revelations? The transgressors never succeed.

[29:68]
Who is more evil than one who fabricates lies and attributes them to GOD, or rejects the truth when it comes to him? Is Hell not a just retribution for the disbelievers?
I hope the above is helpful, Insha Allah.
Peace

You know, why is it that the moment I read "homosexuality" and "adomination" in the same sentance, I lost any interest whatsoever in anything you had to say?

I am sorry Seraphina, I dont think many religions today accept Homosexuality.

Method ... Once again I ask ... The scriptures are corrupt--save for the TC?! How could you possibly know this?! Also, if the OT law is null and void ... so are the TC, yes? And, again, which set of TC are you referring to--Exodus 20 or 34 (both are different)? Please answer.

Exodus 20 (TC's mistakenly believed to be THE TC's--and are not!)

Exodus 34 (the only list of commands in Exodus identified as THE TC's)

1. Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee: But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves: For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God (vv. 12-14)

2. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods (v. 17).

3. The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt (v. 18).

4. All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male (v. 19).

5. But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty (v. 20).

6. Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest (v. 21).

7. And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end (v. 22).

8. Thrice in the year shall all your menchildren appear before the LORD God, the God of Israel (v. 23).

9. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning (v. 25).

10. The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk (v. 26).

Captainx32 ... What is your opinion of Osama Bin Laden and the events of 9/11? Also, Why kill non-believers, infidels?

"God's curse be upon the infidels! Evil is that for which they have bartered away their souls. To deny God's own revelation, grudging that He should reveal His bounty to whom He chooses from among His servants! They have incurred God's most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits the unbelievers." Q 2:92-6

"When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them." Q 9:5

"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." Q 9:73

One last question ... Do you also believe you will receive 72 virgins in the afterlife for being a good Muslim?

Saturday January 12, 2002
The Guardian

What of the rewards in paradise? The Islamic paradise is described in great sensual detail in the Koran and the Traditions; for instance, Koran sura 56 verses 12 -40 ; sura 55 verses 54-56 ; sura 76 verses 12-22. I shall quote the celebrated Penguin translation by NJ Dawood of sura 56 verses 12- 39: "They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine (that will neither pain their heads nor take away their reason); with fruits of their own choice and flesh of fowls that they relish. And theirs shall be the dark-eyed houris, chaste as hidden pearls: a guerdon for their deeds... We created the houris and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand..."

One should note that most translations, even those by Muslims themselves such as A Yusuf Ali, and the British Muslim Marmaduke Pickthall, translate the Arabic (plural) word Abkarun as virgins, as do well-known lexicons such the one by John Penrice. I emphasise this fact since many pudic and embarrassed Muslims claim there has been a mistranslation, that "virgins" should be replaced by "angels". In sura 55 verses 72-74, Dawood translates the Arabic word " hur " as "virgins", and the context makes clear that virgin is the appropriate translation: "Dark-eyed virgins sheltered in their tents (which of your Lord's blessings would you deny?) whom neither man nor jinnee will have touched before." The word hur occurs four times in the Koran and is usually translated as a "maiden with dark eyes".

Two points need to be noted. First, there is no mention anywhere in the Koran of the actual number of virgins available in paradise, and second, the dark-eyed damsels are available for all Muslims, not just martyrs. It is in the Islamic Traditions that we find the 72 virgins in heaven specified: in a Hadith (Islamic Tradition) collected by Al-Tirmidhi (died 892 CE [common era*]) in the Book of Sunan (volume IV, chapters on The Features of Paradise as described by the Messenger of Allah [Prophet Muhammad], chapter 21, About the Smallest Reward for the People of Paradise, (Hadith 2687). The same hadith is also quoted by Ibn Kathir (died 1373 CE ) in his Koranic commentary (Tafsir) of Surah Al-Rahman (55), verse 72: "The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: 'The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a [Yemen]'."

Modern apologists of Islam try to downplay the evident materialism and sexual implications of such descriptions, but, as the Encyclopaedia of Islam says, even orthodox Muslim theologians such as al Ghazali (died 1111 CE) and Al-Ash'ari (died 935 CE) have "admitted sensual pleasures into paradise". The sensual pleasures are graphically elaborated by Al-Suyuti (died 1505 ), Koranic commentator and polymath. He wrote: "Each time we sleep with a houri we find her virgin. Besides, the penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal; the sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint. Each chosen one [ie Muslim] will marry seventy [sic] houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all will have appetising vaginas."

Kindly,

Sean

Your thinking is lopsided.
There are 2 kinds of Christians, 2 kinds of Jews and 2 kinds of Moslems;
those that pray and understand God, their book of faith, and understand, and then their
are those who are ignorant and reply on their own understanding and form their belief
around their egos. Then there are those who are just plain stupid, and that is your category!

zeeshan at age 14 you have wonderful sense of understanding and depth for words of holy.
personally i feel there are wrong ppl using the religion to their own advantage and have misused the right meaning to wrong end!

Sorry for not being more specific, I meant the EXAMPLES are lopsided. And I was going to get more examples from the Koran.

Method, I'm still waiting for an answer.

Captainx32, I'm still waiting for an answer.

Your very thought that there are 'many misconceptions about islam' and that you will 'try to clear all of them' is questionable.

The very 'misconceptions' are risen in the mind-set of 'the world' is due to some so called 'follwers of islam' or 'jeehadi' who have been using the name of the religion to justify their devilish acts. You do not need to explain their 'misunderstandings' or 'misinterpretations'. They do not belong to any religion. They only hide themselves in the cover of islam. They follow their own (non-)religion which is 'terrorism'.

You should not see yourself or islam having any kind of association to such people. You are still young and you will learn more in your life to develop your own 'understanding'. I suggest you to close this thread as there is no purpose for this. Let the people remove their 'misconceptions' themselves and I am sure they will and can do it themselves with the help of their 'understanding'!

Today is Diwali, and it is celebrated through-out in my country with the complete spirit of festivity despite what has happend in Delhi on 29th Oct, 2005. And it has been celebrated in this spirit despite those black-days which the people of this country has taken into their strides. They know that these will go on till the people who are involved in these kind of acts understand what they are doing cannot be justified by seeking refuse in any religion. It is not known how many disfigured, dismantled, burned bodies they want to see to realise their mistake!

This reality is relatively new for the rest of the world and I simply smile when I see people react to such things differently!

I hope everyone will learn and understand from their own experiences and work for a better world, both as individually and collectively.


Happy Diwali for everyone!
Celebrate the festival of light.
The light of knowledge and understanding!

Method ... I suppose you are not going to answer my questions. So much for your "nail in the coffin" crack. You did nothing but make bold assertions, and when called on it, made a run for the hills. So much for 1 Peter 3:15, eh?

Captainx32 ... I can only assume your silence means killing infidels is acceptable, OBL/9-11 was something you think the US deserved, and that you will, indeed, receive 72 virgins in heaven.

Well Seanph and all of ya Hello again Esp. Yelkiah!!!
Well i was having a Net prob for two weeks and my UM Id was Everytime online for no sense
Seanph xtremely sorry for no Reply:(
Here goes your Answer...
Does Islam say Kill non-believers???
Your understanding that Islam is a religion that encourages its followers to kill non-believers, is a commonly propagated false story, sometimes unintentionally through misunderstanding. The Quran states in chapter 60: verse 8 and 9:

"As for such [of the unbelievers] as do not fight against you on account of [your] faith, and neither drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show kindness and to behave towards them with full equity: for verily, God loves those who act equitably." [HQ-60:8]

"God only forbids you to turn in friendship towards such as fight against you because of [your] faith, and drive you forth from your homelands, or aid [others] in driving you forth: and as for those [from among you] who turn towards them in friendship, it is they, they who are truly wrongdoers!" [HQ-60-9]

It should be clear that the command to fight is only against those who either fight against the Muslims on account of their religion or drive them out from their homelands. Those who spread this misinformation about Islam usually read the Qurán with a biased mind, and in trying to find inaccuracies in the Qurán they usually end up constructing false ideas based on verses taken out of context. Thus they mislead many innocent people far from the truth. Throughout history, there have been people who have tried to propagate false ideas about Islam. Such people are usually those who remain arrogant inspite of knowing the truth and are bent on giving lordship to others besides God. In the sight of God, will they not then be on the losing side?


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See Seanph the Gruesome 9\11 Events Shocked me to Death...Really!
See What did those Bloody Non-Muslims (I call them those they are NOT! Muslims) was totally Wrong Islam does not Teaches Terrorism to It's Followers.Whatever was done was truly Embaracing for all the Muslims. They made all the Muslims Shameful. Those mean Peple changed the True Meaning of Islam.May Allah's Curse be on them!

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Well I Do Believe that I will get 72 Virgins in afterlife because of Good Deeds which were done on Earth, You know Seanph Mohammad (PBUH) and Allah teaches us that this world is Finite it has to Destroy on Doomsday the Eternal Life or Afterlife is for Muslims If we will Spend a Good life on Earth Allah's rewards will be blessed in Afterlife...
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Hope you understood what i xplained here
Zeeshan ahmed
Pakistan

Once again, fantastic job!

I have a weird question. Do you know why there are 72 virgins (or angels)?
edit:Let me clarify this-that specific number I mean. Because I have theories.

Yes the 72 virgins. I would like to know myself.

Or angels. Because there are 72 angels in the Kabbalah. And I wonder if there is inspiration being involved. A lot of religions and cultures tend to copy each other. And I'm thinking, "virgins" may be a possible mistranslation of the word angel. Just my weird theory. But I could be very wrong.

C32, thanks for your reply. I'm so terribly sorry for the earthquake that recently struck your country. I would like to express my deepest sympathies to you and yours. Please know that we all stand with you. My best wishes to you all. Take care.

Kindly,

Sean

Hello Dears And all
Seanph thanks for such Comfort May God Bless U.
Well about Virgins see they will be Just like women but will have a Angel-like look not totally Angels.It is said in Quran that ; The Virgins are not even touched by any of Jinnah or Human.
They will be Rewarded to those who lived the life on Earth According to Allah's Orders.
Hope u understood .
Please keep asking questions and don't make this Thread go DEAD!!!!

Zeeshan ahmed.
Pak.

Why do they have to be virgins? I have had a few virgins in my lifetime and they are not as pleasurable as a lady that knows what she is doing.


But seriously. If I write out a long list of holy verses, that I make up, and say that God spoke to me and told me exactly what to write down, would you believe me?
No.
Unless maybe if what I wrote is of an advantage to your view of a perfect lifestyle.

Essentially, that is what Muslims have done. They accepted the word of one man and that one man kept their tradition of total domination of women intact with what he said God told him.

You really have no idea if Mohammed was telling the truth, you just choose to believe it.
And funny thing is it falls right in line with how the men of that time viewed their world. For example how you treat women. The quran, this so called word of God, just so happens to reflect how men of that time, and now really, view females. Convenient, eh?

IMO, the quran is so obviously man made that I have to laugh when a Muslim tries to say otherwise.

God Bless your mixed up souls.