Guardsman,
Yes I agree. I know enough about natural animals to realize "Dragons" could only be a kind of "supernatural" creature. The point is, far too many cultures have such similar legends there probably is some truth to them. To say it is al based on a few discovered bones is unconvincing, particularly since ancient man had no way of associating these occasional bones with flying reptilian creatures. Therefore, since they seem to violate natural laws we can conclude they have some kind of supernatural origin as most of the legends already attest to. And of all the religions that have dragons, the Judao-Christian theology seems to have the greatest authenticity with its remarkable insight on the evolutionary development of life on earth in the creation epic, if the translation of each day really meaning great epochs of time. But based on the "biblical" model, these huge creatures, like the human-like angels normally subsist on "manna", though dragons on earthly business prefer more "natural" prey as the many worldwide legends attest and the bible confirms. Milo is right that if ectothermic, even large T-Rex sized reptiles require surprisingly little food compared to mammals, though can gorge themselves to over half their body weight in food as Komodo dragons are known to do. (This would likely make a flying dragon far less airworthy however).

Actually there are some pterosaurs, the earlier ones with tails and lizard-like heads with teeth, instead of beaks, that look remarkably like some depictions of dragons, though the earliest dragons of Sumerian origin have an unnatural four limbs plus wings. There are of course, living lizards of the genus Draco that have winglike membranes modified from their ribs. Some ancient depictions of dragons have a similar wing design. If dragons practiced the same sort of "levitation" other Biblical personalities are credited with, then weight would not be a great consideration, nor oversized wings to provide so much lift. This would explain the relatively small wings in most dragon depictions, though the dragons of modern films are often given more realistic sized wings nowadays. The dragons of Reign of Fire and the Fell Beasts in the LOTR seems fairly plausible if they had hollow bones like birds.

Zandore, a person just getting into this could get a lot more information from the dozens of previous posts then my merely repeating the basic info again and again. As for not providing you with lots of additional info, you have already stated matter of factly that you don't believe in any of it so there is really no point. Besides, there are a lot of real "bombshells" on this subject I will not reveal until the book is out, anyway. I don't believe I have ever deflected a question that I did not have an answer for. If you think so please don't hesistate to poise it again.

Okay, well after carefully reading the past 20 pages and skipping my next class because I just found this so darn interesting I am going to throw my opinion into the fray here.

I might be old fashioned, even though I'm only just shy of 20, but to me grammar is important. I don't mean everything has to be perfect, throwing in periods everyonce in a while will help. It makes things so much easier to read. Having to comb over Frogfish's posts two or three times to understand everything he is saying is quite annoying. And FF, if there is just one thing you can take from DC it would be how to get your message across, ie: don't make personal attacks and at least have some sort of grammar in your posts.

I wasn't your age too long ago FF, but I understand that you think you are more mature than alot of people your age, and I might even give you the benifit of the doubt on that. But I understand and can better relate to how DC feels alot more. However mature and intelligent you think you are you have alot more to learn, and one thing that you can start to learn now is, that all the intelligence in the world cannot make up for life experience, in which case DC has much more than you and I.


Now to the actual topic, DC seems very learned on this subject. I was raised as a Catholic, and instead of only focusing on what that religion taught I focused on others, as well as what Athiests say. And the conclusion I have come to is that what DC says is correct. The Bible is full of many mistranslations. The Bible has left many things out, not being very enlightened on the subject, I can name two books off the top of my head that were just scrapped, the book of Mary and the book of Thomas. And I know for sure now that things in the Bible were changed and modified to suit the political needs of Empires and Emperors. A classic example of that would be Constantine.

If you wish to ignore what is historically accurate, that is your choice. I, for one, choose to accept the truth. I choose to accept that what is taught now about Christianity is not what the original version was.

DC, please post as soon as possible about the title of your book, and maybe also the estimated price.

And one last comment, well question, the most accurate translation from Hebrew to English is the King James version of the Bible? Or is there maybe another version. I am rather sure I read that you compared the KJV to the original Hebrew Scriptures?

Edit:

P.S. Frogfish, don't you think you are being a little nieve on the classification of the Angels? I mean, DC says that the original translation is more in tune with that of dragons. You on the other hand are taking what has been translated from Hebrew to Greek to English and applying it to your "Knowledge" of Angles. I would be more inclined to accept what DC says about the subject, because this is the original translation of the passage.

Why don't this response surprise me any?

You make a statement then do not provide reference links to back your claim......

DC:
I took you up on your suggestion to look at your old posts for that info....after 19 pages and 462 posts...... you have yet to provide a link to the things you claim!

PS. It is bad form to state something and when someone asks for proof tell them to look it up.

What happened to all of the action?
I guess I'll have to go find some other people that like a good argument, it's too bad, this was getting good.
Anyway... Dragons existed. hahaha, i don't have any links. Dragons still exist. Hahaha, i don't have any links. My name is Mind Freak 2012, but i don't have any links...






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Silly wabbit. Dragons are for kids.lol

...got any links?

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I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW BLIND YOU ARE!!!!!!!!
Or are you just avoiding my question....

FOR THE HUNDRETH TIME DC!!!! LOOK UP THE CATHOLIC HEIRARCHY OF ANGELS!!!!!!!!!


Oh yes, I forgot you disdain facts...



I forgot your definition of "attack" is: V. A comment made by Frogfish...
Ex: Look up the heirarchy of Angels..
DC, get out of that mindset, and stop pushing aside everything I say!
Just read my posts and my facts instead of ATTACKING ME...


Ironic isn't it?

ATTACK!!!!!!!!!!









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a link to information doesn't mean anything, it just means they know how to use google, mayhap DC did all of research through books, you know, those collections of papers/skins with writing on it that is important, enough to be bound. These are the best sources of information, if you know where to go to find them, and apparently DC knows very good sources.
And FrogFish, i call you frogboy, because, i was 15 only 4 1/2 years ago, so i know where you are coming from age wise, but religiously don't attack DC for showing you that there is more to your own religion than you have been shown.

If any, which dragon forms, do you like best, the european or the asian? or any others i have failed to mention.

Perhaps DC is blinded by wanting to sell a book. We can theorize that Santa is real. It does not make it so.

Frogfish,
The catholic Hierarchy of angels merely proves what I have explained many times. The "highest" in the hierarchy are the most powerful, ie the draconic Seraphim and Cherubim. This also confirms the draconic characteristic of Satan, clearly one of the highest ranking of heavenly creatures. Not only are they the most powerful heavenly creatures but also the oldest/most senior, which also makes sense, for they were selected much earlier in the earth's development, probably from a kind of mesozoic pterosaur or dinosaur, given greater intelligence and the fire spewing ability, just as the humanoid angels were selected millions of years later from prime examples of human. "Angels" were only messengers, and only necessary once humans came into the world. This is what the word "angelos" means. The fire and brimstone spewing warrior class heavenly creatures are very reptilian in nature, described with snakelike heads, sharp teeth, fiery breath, etc, and are depicted as winged dragons in the earliest Christian and Jewish artwork. When not specifically referred to by their rank/status (Cherubim or Seraphim) the word used is Tannyn in hebrew which translates to "Great Monster".

You should also understand that Seraphim and Cherubim are never referred to in a "human" sense like angels are, but instead, are always referred to as creatures because they are dragons.

There is absolutely no question that Seraphim means fiery flying serpents in the orignal hebrew, and the exact same words are used for these creatures when they punish the Israelites. Just as the ark of the covenant has an egyptian connection, so do the guardian Cherubim. They can be seen guarding the thrones of many Egyptian gods and pharoahs. These Cherubs in the Egyptian style look like huge cobras with great wings that protectively "cover" the God or Pharoah.

The earliest Sumerian Cherub, in the prototype of the Hebrew Eden story is clearly a reptilian winged dragon. He guards the gates of heaven, and the "tree of life", and is an intermediary between God and Man.

Many catholic theological ideas are flawed because of an imperfect translation of the original Hebrew texts. This is why there is no such creature or angel called Lucifer in the original Hebrew Bible. Lucifer is just an early catholic translators error. Even the word, lightbringer, is "latin" and has no place in the orignal Hebrew. Without Lucifer the whole Christian "mythos" of a war in heaven and the "evil" Satan goes out the window, for the Old Stestament refers to him as one of the "Sons of God" with no hint of disloyalty or disobedience. But as I stated before, and the overwhelming evidence proves, the founders of Christianity turned the theology away from Judaism and made it almost identical to pagan Persian Zorastrianism, which had an "evil dragon diety", and the early Christians simply substited the Persian dragon Ahriman for the Jewish dragon Satan.

Zandore, tell me what info you think I am witholding. I am not that would with computer links, etc. but I will be happy to tell you my sources for anything I said.

R.P. For most of my Old Testament research I use the online Jewish Encylcopedia rather than any specific bible translation. KJV is more honest than the later translations, most of which have specific "agendas". In the KJV, although there are still inaccuracies like the recognition of "Lucifer", but no one removed the references to "dragons", for example. KJV does have a flaw in that it calls the creature commanded to swallow Jonah a whale or fish, whereas it is the Hebrew "Tannyn" which in all "terrestrial" cases is called a dragon instead. It is from the Jewish encyclopedia that you will find references to texts which elaborate on certain Old Testament stories. For example, in the OT, there is a passage about God seeking to punish Moses for not circumsizing his Son. In other texts, just as old is the elaboratation of the story in which God sends a dragon that partially swallows Moses, but spews him out when his wife quickly circumcises the baby with a sharp rock. YOu can see where this part is missing in the orignal bible. The book of Jubilees identifies Satan as the creature who leads the destruction of the Egyptians during the passover. The reason the lintels were smeared with blood was because on that night of inky darkness, the acute sense of smell of the dragons casued them to avoid the houses so marked. It makes a lot more sense than the "magic mist" in Cecil B. Demille's 10 Commandments movie.

The title is still not determined but when the book is available I will let everyone know. I'm nearly ready to send it out, unless I stumble upon some new leads for additional material.

DW, the most ancient Chinese dragons look just like the Sumerian ones, including wings! My book will show photographs of this. The very elongated Chinese dragons appeared much later, probably after real dragons were less commonly seen. Therefore, there is no good evidence to suggest that oriental dragons were a different "species".

Eric, you have no idea what my motivations are. It has nothing to do with making money. I have an obligation to do this which will probably cause me no end of grief from ignorant people who do not like their notions of religion challenged this way.

our parent feed us that load of tripe from an early age, however he is based on a true story from medieval europe, a man, toymaker, began going door to door one year to give presents to the poor children, now these gifts ranged from coal, for those who needed it to toys for them as well, now when parents found out someone had snuck in they began locking their doors so he started going in via windows and chimneys. hence the fat man in the red suit of modern myth and legend.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

Using biblical references to support the existence of any cryptozoological creature is folly at best (and a money making scheme at worst). Without empirical evidence, this venture accomplishes nothing but to continue an unfounded legend.

Belief is subjective and proves nothing. Provide tangible evidence to support the existence of dragons, then I'll change my stance that they never existed.

However, aren't most myths based true facts? The bible is a huge myth, so you can base your theories on it, as long as you are prepared to be proven false. (i am not saying you will be)

I'm religiously attacking DC...I wonder where y'all have been for the 1st thread, or did you just jump into the fray?

DC, in the Catholic Heirarchy of Angels, Seraphim are 6-winged, powerful angels.
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a48/frogf...I/seraphimr.jpg
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Cherubim are four-winged angels...Just as Ezekiel described...in the Book of Ezekial

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*put mouse at lower right hand corner, icon will come up to expand image

So, frogfish, how do you expect these creatures flew?

The wings in the wwould getay of each other, and there wouldn't be enough mucle for all the wings.

Explain that!

WOW!... This has nothing to do with dragons, get over it...







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Have you been listening to a word me and DC said for the last 22 pages, and the 14 pgs in the other thread?

I guess not...

DC, you understand what I'm saying...

I got nothing against DC, so stop trying to find somebody to fight your battles for ya kid.
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You don't even know what I'm saying.... That post was for DC...not you...you don't even know what we're discussing...

Alright, i'm sorry but i don't think you are as smart as you say you are...You quoted what i said to you, and replied saying that i don't even know what you're talking about. Are ya still with me Froggy? Ok then, I do know what i'm talking about and i know what you're talking about, you are talking about angels in a dragon forum. And don't tell me that post wasn't for me when you quoted what I said... DC may have mentioned it, but he didn't carry it on, just to prove he was right. Do you understand what I am saying?









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Go to the beiggining and read this thread...the point of his arguements are about Seraphims and Cherubims ... You would know what I'm talking about if you would go back and read instead of acting like a fool...

No. He was arguing with you about whether or not dragons were heavenly creatures, then you brought up the "hierarchy of angels" trying to disprove what he was saying...
And now i'm saying that this is a dragon forum, and talking about angels isn't dragons.

FOOL, hmm that's a big word for someone your age.




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DC knows what I'm talking about...He is the one that the post is directed too...I don't need your naive comments

Why don't you read this:


I am just kidding around. I knew you would react like that. Your like a little puppet.







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I can't Detect sarcasm in typing....

They exist only if you want them to.

That's why I like it, I can easily take someone like you and make them run in circles thinking i'm a total d***, it is fun... i didn't expect you to realize i was kidding, it's better that way.






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I guess Captain Cinquo disappeared.

Meanwhile, i will extend my Alien Dragons theory a bit further, and giving Cap. some more work


This is the story of Humans and Dragons

The Human Kind once lived on a different world. The world was inhabited by Humans And dragons. Two human specimen did a horrible deed of stealing some dragon food, forbidden to be given to humans because of its powerful contents that might give humans powers that they would not know how to control, like faster evolution rate, and ocasional geniousity surges that can be handed down from generation to generation. For that, the two humans were exiled from the planet until the side-effects passed.

They were exiled to a very hospitable planet, Known as Earth to get themselves cured from the toxins of the dragon food. they were told that the dragon lord would come for their children and test them for any remnants of the dragon food side-effects. They also warned them that any attempt of getting back into the dragon world would prove fatal.

The two humans spawned with each-other, and told their offspring to treat the "Lord" with respect, hoping that that would shorten their sentence. They told their off-springs to pass down the "word of lord", or "Jehowa".

As the years passed, humans started to forget Lords word, and started to invent.

the Other world can be known as Eden, and because of mouth to mouth passing on of the story, the dragons became known as angels, and now people are debating if they even exist.

Woah. After reading the last five pages of baloney I'm surprised that this forum ever achieves resolution on anything! (I DO assume that it does achieve resolution on some things?)

Nogard, I read your post on 'where the heck is cinquo'. Well, I'm here, but I'm too tired to go digging about for your last post to pull apart amusingly and refute. Perhaps I should, just to get this train back on the rails again. I read it a couple of days ago and I'll have to get back to it.

Oh, and as for the 'age' thing.... At 15 I was serving in the Royal Australian Navy as an apprentice ETS (that's Electrical Technical Weapons Systems). I was accepted when I was 14, and there was a guy in my division who WAS still 14 (I turned 16 after 3 months of being in). The oldest guy in our division (thus with the nickname 'grandpa') was 19. Now these days HMAS Nirimba is closed, and the navy has no more apprentices (I did my time, I'm long gone from it), but back in the late '80s and early '90s, sure, we were teenagers with big BIG guns! (or in my case, harpoon missiles). We were responsible, we had to be! People's lives were at stake if we screwed up. So if the kid (yes, you still are one) wants to play with adults, and he shows that he can create a worthwhile argument, then by all means let him run with it. I don't have to agree with what he says, I also don't have to agree with what DC says (I just hope he has better arguments in his book than just a dissertation on religious argy-bargy, and much better referencing), but we're all here to discuss things (or at least I am) so why not put aside personal differences and enjoy yourselves?

That story was so random!!!

It just popped off the top of my head.

but just for the sake of argument, i will be on the "it's true" side of the story

BTW, i am not religious at all, so any attempts made to say that i am one sided, will be absorbed, and un-responded to

Hey!!!

Cap's Back!!!

Welcome home

One of Dragon Chronicler's argument for the existence of Dragons was based on the Bible, that Cherubims and Seraphims were both depicted by the ancient hebrews as Dragons. I had already proven in a previous reply that Cherubims were not depicted as dragons. Frogfish kindly reciprocrated by showing that Seraphims were also not depicted as dragons as well.

Indeed Mohammad the founder of Islam also supposedly found inspiration from a Seraphim , mentioned that he was multiple winged and eyed.

Ahh, but it's the job of a pirate captain to disappear for many a-day. Besides, my reasons for not coming here were noble, honourable, and were entirely to do with wenching.



<-This COULD be a dragon, according to nogard AND DC....



What do I do? Where do I start?

okay:

Nogard: Gather 'round folks, especially you there, youngster. No, not you, the one with frogs on his brain. Sit down here next to DC so I can clip you both over the ear if you mouth off.

Frogdude: aww, but DC's stinky.

DC: Don't wanna sit nexta him. Wanna sit nexta dragon. And don't stink

Frog: do too.

DC: do not.

Nogard: .......

frog: do

DC: not!

Nogard: If you've QUITE finished.... I'm here to tell you a story of how I've ripped off the bibilical 'tree of knowledge' story and woven some dragons in it to make it sound cooler.

Froggy and DC: oooooooooooh.

DC (to frog, whispering): see? I TOLD you they were in the bible

Frog: ssssh!

Captain: So, er, just where exactly did you GET this information about planet Eden?

Nogard: You're not supposed to ask questions like that, cap, I've told you before. *looks around and sees everyone's eyes on him*..... well I did. But let's just say that I've not been wearing my tinfoil hat lately, and I've had dragon-rays beamed into my head from the Dragonstar Dragonship which is orbiting in a draco-stealth field in geosynchronous orbit continously above my head. If I move, so does the dragonship, and it's dragon crew keeps beaming these dragonrays into my head so that I'll have an even BETTER idea about dragons for next time!

Captain: I thought so. Here's your tinfoil hat, nogard. You should keep wearing it at all time. Oh, and take these pills as well. Just disregard the label that says 'thorazine' okay?



Hey, It's late here. I can't think of an interesting riposte to your bollocks!

Frogfish,
Just becasue the catholics "say" Seraphim are angels means absolutely nothing. The greatest theologians of the catholic church admit they are dragons in their Summa, never intended for the ignorant peasants. This is what we call RESEARCH. You will have to do this once you get into high school.

Herman Goring said "If the Fuhrer says 2 plus 2 is 5, then it is 5" (or something very similar). Your Catholic logic is like this Nazi logic. The people who WROTE the Bible say that Seraphim are fiery flying serpents, it is not even debateable. Not only that, but the culture which the hebrews came from clearly had guardian dragons in their theologies, from other contemporary religions. Also every depiction of these creatures in the earliest Christian art before the beliefs became so tainted show these creatures as dragons.
Maybe being a child, you are unable to comprehend things like "earliest sources", "archaeology", "original language", "mistranslation", etc. Although you obviously didn't understand what I was talking about, I was making the point that "Lucifer" never existed, but was simply ANOTHER mistranslation by the Roman catholics. So should it surprise you that they also do not understand, or like you, don't want to admit that ALL of the oriignal Old Testament evidence, including many books and documents not in the bible, all prove the reptilian nature of Cherubim and Seraphim?

Your "hierarchy of angels" only proves that the dragon-forms are the highest in the hierarchy, and I agree. But the Bible calls them creatures, never angels, they are always illustrated as dragons in ancient sculptural and pictographic depictions, and they are sent by God to burn things with "fiery breath" and devour the wicked.

You have nothing but a child's Sunday School education, and these things are not talked about in Sunday School. When you just stuck to dinosaurs, someone might get the impression you are halfways educated. I didn't even realized you were nothing but an immature little kid, until you started to mindlessly attack me on a religious discussion about Draconic Hebrew Servant Creatures of which you know abolutely nothing.

I will say one more time that Catholocism is filled with the ideas of Pagan Greece and Rome. It is an undeniable fact, if you go to the Spirituality and Religion section of UM with you naive catholic Sunday School education they will eat you alive. I will try to construct a simple sentence which is the root to all of your confusion. If you do not understand this maybe one of the younger people on the board can break it down even simpler. Here it goes.... "Most early Christians were originally pagan Greeks and Romans and would only accept Christainity if it had familar things, like winged human spirit creatures, so the Catholic Church simply "changed" the flesh and blood, wingless human angels and winged dragon servants of the Hebrew religion into the winged human like spirit creatures of the pagan Greco Roman theologies."

And this statement is completely fact-based on all of the evidence I provided in many posts her, and if you want to dispute this with dozens of other people you can in the UM relgious sections. I have discussed dragons on these boards too, fortunately without the ignorant interruptions by little children with their Sunday School ideas that often have nothing to do with what the Bible really says.

read my last post before this one...








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When some one asks for reference sources from you be polite to them and provide it. Let them read for themselves the things that you claim.

That is exactly what it is and what it always has been!


You got a two fer there

You think this is bad go to the "Spirituality & Skepticism" section!

I don't think you are understanding a word that DC is saying to you. YOUR HEIRARCHY OF ANGELS IS BASED ON A MISTRANSLATION. Wether intentional or not, it is still wrong.

If you would take the time to go back and read his posts you will see how he explains this.

Ok. A reply to Cap's play script:

I was just supporting DC, when he said that the bible was mistranslated.
I thought i made it clear enough in my story. So i made my own version of the bible.

Hehe. I like it. Dont you?


P.S. I bet thet Frogcrab will be against this too. It has the two forbidden letters in it.
can you guess what they are?







"DC"

You rewrote "the bible"? What are you gonna call it?









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[quote]Just becasue the catholics "say" Seraphim are angels means absolutely nothing.[/quote]
Just because you and your text says dragons are real doen't mean they are real....it could be a mistranslation very well....
Ezekiel Proclaimed that Seraphim and Cherubim were Humanoid...not Reptialian...He is one of the greatest prophets of all...
You definition of Reptilian is obscured...

[quote]The greatest theologians of the catholic church admit they are dragons in their Summa, never intended for the ignorant peasants. This is what we call RESEARCH. You will have to do this once you get into high school.[/quote]
I still haven't seen any of your works and resources....WIth that, everyone can conclude that you have done no research...until you give us some resources... I am in HS, OLD MAN....How old are you, in your eighties, right? Because you seem to forget that age is not everything...You are certainly not the smartest here...

[quote]So should it surprise you that they also do not understand, or like you, don't want to admit that ALL of the oriignal Old Testament evidence, including many books and documents not in the bible, all prove the reptilian nature of Cherubim and Seraphim? [/quote]
Read Ezekial...

[quote]Your "hierarchy of angels" only proves that the dragon-forms are the highest in the hierarchy, and I agree. But the Bible calls them creatures, never angels, they are always illustrated as dragons in ancient sculptural and pictographic depictions, and they are sent by God to burn things with "fiery breath" and devour the wicked.[/quote]

Hmmm, I think you are not fit for this discussion, as you have proved to me you cannot read...Humans features are not considered Dragons DC...
The Heirarchy of Angels shows them as Humanoid beings...not "mythological monsters".

[quote]so the Catholic Church simply "changed" the flesh and blood, wingless human angels and winged dragon servants of the Hebrew religion into the winged human like spirit creatures of the pagan Greco Roman theologies." [/quote]
You cannot prove that...how do you know if Dragons were a mistranslation from Hebrew? You need facts DC, not Opinions...
It would be better if we are not interrupted by a hobo who has a dictionary at his side, making up stuff on the spot...Anyone on this site can make more convincing arguements than you, Old Man....we don't need people like you who ruin threads for fun...

[quote]Maybe being a child, you are unable to comprehend things like "earliest sources", "archaeology", "original language", "mistranslation", etc[/quote]
For all the inept, illiterate member on this thread who say I attack DC....
DC, I probably have more knowledge than you, all you have convinced anyone on this thread is that I am younger and all you have done Is attacked me....AND I HAVE GOTTEN THE BLAME FOR ATTCKING YOU
GO ahead, attack me...thats all your little mind is capable of...

[quote]quote]And this statement is completely fact-based on all of the evidence I provided in many posts her, and if you want to dispute this with dozens of other people you can in the UM relgious sections. I have discussed dragons on these boards too, fortunately without the ignorant interruptions by little children with their Sunday School ideas that often have nothing to do with what the Bible really says.[/quote][/quote]

Yes DC, we don't need your ignorant posts....You are nothing more than I am...Face it....Its better for all of UM if you would just leave, we don't need an Old man's ignorant, corrupted, Idiolistic ideas....

Just because The Bible says angels are real, doesn't mean they are real...



Take your own advice. You haven't provided facts either.

Ok Froghead, i'm pretty sure that nobody else here thinks this. And i also have to admit that i was wrong about you. I thought that you were mature enough to handle being disagreed with, but like I said, I was wrong. I think you are the one who is attacking. You are taking this WAY too personal... If you can't hang with the big boys, without throwing a fit when someone disagrees, then YOU shouldn't be here. This whole forum is for facts and opinions, since dragons are rarely associated with facts, you have to rely on opinion. And the only opinion you will except is yours...
Also, you had a fit when someone said something about your age, and now, what are you doing? You need to except the FACT that you will not always be right. If you can't deal with other people's views and/or opinions, then it is you who shouldn't be here!








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Isnt it amazing how many different names we can call frogfish?!?

Frog boy

frogkid

frogcrab

frog head

froggy

frog

FF

Kid


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Frogfish

I think what DC is trying to say is that you should shut your little food chamber, and forget all about angels being dragons, and dragons being angels. Just forget it all. Even if DC is attacking you, he is doing it quietly, while you are being like a foghorn, screaming out everyting that comes to your mind. I counted up all the posts in this thread, and you contributed a good 1/10 of them in your worthless remarks.

Now just settle down, and try not to scream. It's ok, we're all imperfect. Look at me for example: It's not like i make any sense in my coments, but hey, i think they're worth something.

Goodluck controlling yourself.

[quote]Frogfish

I think what DC is trying to say is that you should shut your little food chamber, and forget all about angels being dragons, and dragons being angels. Just forget it all.[/quote]

...Then what is the point of this thread?

[quote]QUOTE(frogfish @ Nov 17 2005, 05:10 PM)

Just because you and your text says dragons are real doen't mean they are real...


Just because The Bible says angels are real, doesn't mean they are real...[/quote]
Remeber Freak that we are going by the basis that the Bible is TRUE....

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Ezekiel Proclaimed that Seraphim and Cherubim were Humanoid...not Reptialian...He is one of the greatest prophets of all...
You definition of Reptilian is obscured...
I still haven't seen any of your works and resources....WIth that, everyone can conclude that you have done no research...until you give us some resources... I am in HS, OLD MAN....How old are you, in your eighties, right? Because you seem to forget that age is not everything...You are certainly not the smartest here...
Read Ezekial...
Hmmm, I think you are not fit for this discussion, as you have proved to me you cannot read...Humans features are not considered Dragons DC...
The Heirarchy of Angels shows them as Humanoid beings...not "mythological monsters".
You cannot prove that...how do you know if Dragons were a mistranslation from Hebrew?



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You need facts DC, not Opinions...



Take your own advice. You haven't provided facts either.[/quote]

Yes I have...Freak, read the the book of Ezekial like I said, instead of turning around everything I say....You make yourself look foolish

[quote]Take your own advice. You haven't provided facts either.[/quote]

Yes I have...Freak, read the the book of Ezekial like I said, instead of turning around everything I say....You make yourself look foolish

Isnt it amazing how many different names we can call frogfish?!?

Frog boy

frogkid

frogcrab

frog head

froggy

frog

FF

Kid


LOL[/quote]
[quote]QUOTE(nogard @ Nov 17 2005, 05:55 PM)

Isnt it amazing how many different names we can call frogfish?!?

Frog boy

frogkid

frogcrab

frog head

froggy

frog

FF

Kid
LOL


It is something eh?








Mind Freak 20:12








PEACE[/quote]
[quote]Frogfish

I think what DC is trying to say is that you should shut your little food chamber, and forget all about angels being dragons, and dragons being angels. Just forget it all. Even if DC is attacking you, he is doing it quietly, while you are being like a foghorn, screaming out everyting that comes to your mind. I counted up all the posts in this thread, and you contributed a good 1/10 of them in your worthless remarks.

Now just settle down, and try not to scream. It's ok, we're all imperfect. Look at me for example: It's not like i make any sense in my coments, but hey, i think they're worth something.

Goodluck controlling yourself.[/quote]

They have more relevance than these^...

Now to DC....If you turn down others facts as easily as you do, you should be able to find faults with your threory too...You have now assurance that You have the original text and/or that you "dragons" are mistranslations themselves....Humanity is mortally afraid of Reptiles, so anything evil (i.e. Demons...etc) could be represented as Dragons (reptilian, fire, and flying (with leathery/scaly wings) are all signs of evil...).
In the Bible where it says "rain down fire" God could be doing it, not dragons...

Now before one of you get into a rampage, I am stating my Ideas and possible flaws here, no facts (they were in previous posts)...