that was already stated, but thanks anyways..

But the problem is how would the dragons keep the fire from exploding in their mouths, down their trachea, and into the "methane sacs"?

I don't remember, I believe it was something like the flap of skin we have in our own mouths. I'm not positive, but I do remember that being brought up. A dragon wasn't immune to fire or anything like that.

ahh, the epiglottis? The epiglottis is not airtight, otherwise we would suffocate...same would go for dragons...

if the epiglottis is open, then we would not be able to swallow, so its close, but still not airtight...thats why sometimes we get water in our lungs, or we gasp, and that opens the epiglottis fully...

here is a link to that show.

accually... they did exisit when dinosoars did...and there are animals now that shoot fire there is a beatle that shoots fire from its butt.... lol they have skulls i THINK and they show how they shoot fire... it was on the discovery channel

I saw that show and the one that fawkes2 is reffering to. There are a lot of animals alive today that can do things a lot more amazing than breathing fire. Thats why i think the whole dragon idea isnt so far fetched.

The problem with that show, and the idea that dragons were simply "natural" animals is that if they were really natural animals seen all over the world for thousands of years, and frenquently "slain" by human heroes, then there would have to be fossil evidence for them, pariticularly due to the mania for collecting "relics" and displaying them in churches (there are prehistoric fossils posing as dragons in some churches but no "recent" dragons). The only way these dragons believed in by virtually every culture can be "real" is if they belong to the supernatural realm, as most of the original myths and legends clearly indicate. Far more humans still believe in the "supernatural" than dismiss it, and dragons belong to that realm.

In order for "natural" dragons to have survived after the cretaceous extinction of the other great reptiles, and be seen all over the world in the time of men, then literally millions upon millions had to have lived and died and left their remains after the end of the Cretaceous, yet not so much as a dragon tooth has been found.

Billions of people believe in their Gods without seeingl dead bodies of them, and in virtually all of the earliest dragon legends, dragons are immortal servants of the Gods, or the Gods themselves.

Hey DC, have you ever heard of a book titled The Dragon in China and Japan?
reason I ask is i am looking at it right now, here at work, very interesting book.
the author's name is M.W. De Visser.

Who ever said it had to form in the mouth? wouldn't it be easier to have two seperate yet reactive substances spit from the mouth which would interact and create a fire ball going forward with the substances.

Haven't any of you ever thought that there is proof of dragons... in fossils? Who's to say that every single reconstruction of a dinosaur is correct? There is a high probability that a lot of the reconstruction's bones were either mistaken for another bone, or misplaced. And who says that we have uncovered every fossil in history? Dragons could have very well existed, and that would explain the thousands of stories of them. Or they could be just a mythical creature that was created for religious purposes. Who knows?









Mind Freak has spoken!

Only time will tell. Besides, I agree, myths and legends of this reptilian beast are found on almost all cultures, if not all cultures, and there is no good reason to disprove them. The myths cannot just pop out of our minds, no matter how imaginative humans are, without of course a basis for those legends. The telling of a legend can be modified, but its essence still remains the same.

If speculations aside, judging by events in human history, then dragons do exist, in our minds, for now.

I think that is where the idea of dragons from.Dino bones. You have a point, wabbit, but I could never think of them as supernatural.

Dragons are real.
They wear pink sombreros
dragons are probably just the misinterpretations of dinosaur fossils. Dino fossils apear almost everywhere. Plus the original gragons were little more than giant snakes. The modern dragon is an invetion that we made.

What would prevent then the fire from exploding in the dragon's face? The fire would go in all directions.

Wabbit? don't you mean Mind Freak?

But doesnt the word "angel" mean messenger? Then maybe the plane travelled back in time, and dellivered a message to Ezekial.

Beat that.

Supernatural...me either...
But Wabbits, on the other hand, that's a whole 'nother story!









Mind Freak has spoken!

LMAO

I understood your comment, and I've understood what sources you base your argument on.

What I don't understand is why you flip flop on the idea of dragons being material creatures.

Suspending my disbelief in them for a moment:

If dragons are angelic beings, and cannot be killed by mortals, then wouldn't that make them incorporeal in nature?

If that is so, then how can they suddenly manifest themselves in material form to do the deeds you've mentioned, such as "embracing" elephants? And if they did appear in material form, then why can't they be killed at that time?

One last thing. If dragons are angelic beings, then why would they need wings to fly?

Mind Freak has spoken!

Aren't angels normally portrayed with wings also? Perhaps its an affinity with nature thing man created, based on birds or something.

Source,
I don't believe I have ever "flip-flopped", it is Christian doctrine that has.

By saying a creature is "supernatural" does not mean it is incorporeal, or a spirit. Dragons and Angels are solid, flesh and blood creatures that eat food and have sexual cravings. They are "supernatural" in that they do not age and according to the Bible, no weapons of the ancient world can harm them (dragons at least). On the other hand, angels do not seem to have any special powers, and Jacob was able to out wrestle one. Old Testament angels never had wings, they look exactly like normal young men, and there is no evidence they magically sprout wings.

A creature as large as a dragon should not be able to fly under its own power, so perhaps a form of "levitaton/self telekininsis" would be another "supernatural" ability. This is why it is pointless to debate whether they can or cannot spew fire, for they may have abilities that confound "science" as we now know it.

Christians turned the flesh and blood angels of the old testament, to winged spirtit creatures of pagan Greece and Rome. I have never claimed dragons or angels were "spirits", for this is a contradiction of the texts which confirm the existence of dragons in the first place.

I do agree with the dragon sceptics that they cannot be some kind of walnut brained dinosaur that survived extinction, and were seen all over the world for thousands of years, but never left any physical traces. This would be viertually impossible, because unlike "komodo dragons restricted to a few islands, winged "mythic" dragons were seen everywhere. But the point is, most of the legends confirm their religious connections in most cultures. On could say there is more "evidence" for dragons than any other form or specific religous diety throughout the entire world.

Cor Raven,
You really are uninformed about ancient dragons. Some of earliest representations look very much like the modern idea. Long neck, reptilian head, quadrapedal with wings, claws, lizard-like tail. These are from Sumerian sources 4,000 years old. If you would have read a few of the earlier posts I cited many examples from the Roman period too, for example.

All of these people who think dragons are based on dinosaur bones forget one important point. Those people had no idea they were reptilian creatures unless they were inspired by seeing a giant flying reptile (dragon). For example, nobody in Europe would imagine a giant reptilian dragon when the only reptiles they knew were small inoffensive lizards and snakes, and there is no hint of either of these being flying creatures. On the contrary, if they only saw bones of giant animals, they would immediately think of fearsom animals they already knew, like bears, wolves and lions. The "bones alone" theory is very weak when thought out logically. But sceptics and atheists often require more "faith" in their "non-beliefs" than the most ardent fundamentalists.

For this to be true, they would need to be subject to natural physical laws. They would not exist in some "elsewhere," but on earth, like any creature that has evolved on this planet. They would require air to breath, and it's highly unlikely they would posses the ability to become invisible.

You can't have it both ways. They either existed like any other species, or they were spectral creations of man's imagination.



Unfortunately, the bible is filled with stories of ageless or long-lived beings, all of which have no precedent in science. Methuselah was supposed to have died at the age of 969, yet there is no evidence to suggest that any human can, or has ever lived that long.



I'm disappointed that you used unproven metaphysical concepts (levitaton/self telekinesis) to explain a dragon's ability to fly. I was hoping you would have at least brought up the impossible "six limb" idea.



Once again, if they were flesh and blood as you say, then they had to have lived somewhere on earth. And if they are immortal, then they must still be there, waiting to be discovered. Is this what you're claiming?



So what you're saying is, dragons are a myth.

I'd just like to add something to the whole "bone-theori", if I may call it like that. If humans were to discover dinosaurbones in ancient times and toke them for dragons, then they'd surely worship the bones since dragons are thought to be some godlike creatures in many cultures. But as far as I know, ancient humans never found bones like these.

Also, I got a far-fetched theori... I mean it's reeeaaally far-fetched, and I don't believe it, anywho... Since it's appareantly in Africa humans originanted n(which I have no doubts about) maybe it's here the dragon-legends arised for the first time? Africa is an much undiscovered continent and can therefore hide many secrets. Maybe a lake monster of some kind was the real deal behind the dragons. The story sprea from tribe to tribe and then out in the world as humans started to migrate. I know, it's far-fetched!

And yet another observation from my behalf: have you ever thought of that cave men never painted a dragon? There are no cave-paintings at all (that i know of) that resembles a dragon...

Frogfish: plz forgive my bad english, but I do live in sweden...

This is crazy.

There'a very high chance that dragons don't exist today.
'Sif they'd be able to hide so well, and avoid human detection.

They must be off hanging with Nessie and Bigfoot

Source,
As for six limbs, the gliding lizards of the genus draco have four limbs, and then "wings" modified from their ribs. But again, "heavenly" servant creatures would not necessarily have to conform to earthly chordate physiology. But six limbs are not impossible even on this world as some mutants have confirmed. Dragons could represent an induced mutation by a higher "power", or even creatures from another world, and their resemblence to dinosaurs purely coincidental. Perhaps in the world where they came from, reptilians are the highest evolved creatures, explaing their greater intelligence than dinosaurs, and six limbs may be standard there.

I agree that every word in the bible cannot be taken literally. It is very clear that the earliest Bible stories had much earlier origins. In fact the earlier versions provide far more evidence of these dragon-like creatures assisting a higher power in the development of mankind. The "serpent" of Eden, was, in the earliest Sumerian version of the "Eden" story, portrayed as a "clasic" winged quadrapedal dragon that serves as an intermediary between mankind and "God" and has nothing to do with "original sin". As for the long aged persons of the bible, these may simply be exaggerations, just as the exaggeration of the "Hebrew "slaves that departed Egypt that ran into the completely absurd "millions".

The dragons and angels normally exist in another "place" we do not comprehend and usually appear on earth to accomplish specific tasks. This is not only in ancient or medieval times, but in modern times as well. There is some evidence dragons have assisted in more modern wartime endeavors such as the attempted sinking of two German UBoats as the crews reported their antagonist as "large reptilian creatures". Perhaps the reptiles were simply some kind of "normal" undiscovered animals, though it is curious they only seem to exhibit agressive behavior against German submarines (or were only German submarine crews mindlessly drunk on duty?)

Some speculate "heaven" is another "dimension", but whether physical beings can enter another "dimension" may not be possible. They seem to be able to travel at will between these two planes, and there are stories of the occasional humans traveling there as well. There is a curious remark not recorded in the Bible proper, but in related ancient biblical literature that states living creatures entering "heaven" must void their bowels before going there. Maybe it is simply some "religious" notion, but perhaps there is some physiological reason we cannot comprehend.
So it is not that angels and dragons magically vanish, but travel to another "place". There are perhaps "portals" to the heavenly realm, one possibly in the vicinity of Jerusalem, which is connected to "accension" of different personages of three of the world's great religions. Perhaps another "portal" is located in the region of loch ness, and the creatures people are seeing are merely trransient dragons out for a swim, but are not there all the time.

Vidgange,
There are a few very ancient stoneage pictographs that could be "dragons" but not as common as deer and bison. Understand too, that we do not know the purpose of this rock art. If it was to magically "conjure" more animals of the type the Shamans drew, maybe they did not want to see more dragons. Consider too, if we acknowledge that dragons are "controlled" by a higher power, as world religions confirm, it is possible that they were not supposed to interfere too much with mankind in its early development. If they had, they might have been worshipped out of hand any place where they were seen. Remember as well that there are only a very few stone age cultures paritcularly associated with rock art. It may be the very fact that they dwelled in such huge caves, that dragons avoided these people as too difficult to capture. It is possible too, if dragons did "visit" localized tribes for purposes of predation, there may have been no one "left" to record their visits! So the prehistoric rock art we see today, are of those tribes that luckily never "met" a dragon. We do see some excellent renditions of "dragons" in later prehistoric rock art such as that of native Americans.

How common is it today to see dragons? DC, You said before that old germans still believed in them, do they see them? and where in the world are all these observations made?

Since I don't belive in God (but I don't deny It either) I'm ruling out that dragons are heavenly creatures, but what can they then be? Any suggestions? And a surviving dinosaur does seem quite far-fetched - or does it?

Dragons are a myth.Some believe that the dragon may have had a real-life counterpart from which the legends around the world arose — typically dinosaurs are mentioned as a possibility — but there is no evidence to support this claim.

Yeah, i know, and I think we've been through that. But I don't believe the "dinobone-theori" and are quite honestly rather puzzled that dragons appear in almost all cultures...

EDIT: Just gotta say that I don't believe that dragons ever exitsted...

Neither do I.

Here is a good link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragons

"A dragon is a mythological creature, typically depicted as a large and powerful serpent or other reptile, with magical or spiritual qualities."

I think the few people who are real historians, are able to appreciate how truly intelligent and saavy people could be in every time period. The ancient peoples had the knowledge to survive in places where most modern people would die very quickly. So were people so stupid that they would burn bones day and night to drive off dragons if no one had ever seen one?. Times were hard then, and that is a lot of wasted energy if dragons were not taken seriously Are the thousands of documented reports of dragons attacking farms just imagination? Were all of these people so stupid that they thought every lighting strike was a dragon? Or couldn't figure out tht "dragon" attacks were just cattle rustlers? These people were all more in touch with their environment than any city dwelling person today. There were expert hunters with skilled hunting dogs intimately familiar with all of the "normal" animals, yet everyone also believed in dragons.
It is rather amusing that there are people on these forums who dismiss the idea of dragons as ridiculous myth, when they will fervently believe in UFOs for which there is really no more physical evidence.

In truth the sceptics are in the minority here. Much of the oriental world believe in the existence in dragons and many christians too since dragons are discussed in the Bible. In both instances, many of these people possess greater intelligence than some of the skeptics on these forums.

Far more Americans for example believe in religiious and supernatural subjects than don't. Is the majority or the minority to be believed? Why do thousands of people flock to this and similar forums if everything "unexplained" is just nonsense? It is because there are many many things, including the worldwide belief in dragons, that science cannot adequately explain.

*cough* instinct *cough*

Not only here,that is true about almost every kook site.



I know alot of orientals and christians and they all pretty much laught their butts of at "dragons".And there is nothing that points to that religious people or orientals are more intelligent than the rest of the population.



Scientists are well aware of many instances in which something that was very radical turned out to be true. It happens over and over again in science; that's the way science makes the big steps. So I don't think they would all be scared off by the fact that it's considered radical or non-mainstream. Continental drift was not very popular at the beginning, but it gained adherents rather quickly. As soon as you have a trickle of evidence, that trickle turns into a torrent, and then what was radical yesterday is today mainstream. Now I don't see that happening with the claim of dragons.

Religions view on everything from Earth to heaven and hell takes only a HUGH leap of fait to believe in.Nothing else.

And one of the resons "people flock" to this and similar forums has alot to do with movies like Independence Day, Contact and The X-Files. Science fiction is motivating a lot of interest. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, as long as people can think critically.

I do agree on this point! But humans in general are (in my opinion) rather foolish. We tend to believe most everything we hear about. If one person thought she saw something and the ppl around don't know what to believe this first person can convince the others to think they saw the same thing. And this is a fact, just as if two persons saw an accident and get to talk about it afterwards their versions will be very similar, more so then if they didn't talk with eachother!



You said it! People seem to believe far more amazing things then dragons on this forum. There are a possibility that there are some undiscovered bones that would explain dragons (i don't quite believe in the "normal"-dragon image), but is it probable?! That's the questions in my eyes...

Sceintist should try to prove eachothers wrong - without altering the facts! - and if it doesn't work, then that's great! That means it's more likely to be true!



And I do also agree that sceince can't explain everything (just yet), although, it's the best thing we got!

Vid,
I do not know if there are even any native reptiles to Sweden, but if there are, they must be small and unassuming. But then consider how much dragons influence the peoples ancient art. Virtually every object in the Vendel culture depicts dragons in some way. And the few legends and beliefs we know about that time and region include dragons/serpent monsters, and who knows how many such legends have been lost? How many vikings in that time would have even traveled to such faraway places where they might actually see giant pythons or crocodiles to inspire such myths? Probably none, yet "something" very real must have inspired these beliefs, not only there, but throughout the world. And for something to have been so common and widespread, if it were a natural creature, we surely would have found evidence by now.
If everything was based on a few bones, this would not explain the fear people had for these creatures. Every culture has legendary dragon slaying heroes, and if they found dragon bones, would merely believe the heroes killed all the dragons years ago and the dragons themselves would have no importance and cause no fears. But this is not the case at all. Dragons all over the world were considered as real as any other animal, with accounts of human predation and other interaction as routine as if they were any of the more mundane creatures.

Hazzard, most Christians are not even aware of how much dragons are rooted in their theology. The books and passages that contain them have been largely eliminated now, and modern Christianity is a far cry from its origins. I wonder if those same Christians you are talking about laugh as much over the idea of winged human angels as they do the idea of heavenly dragons, blissfully ignorant that original texts confirm that the "winged angels" were actually "dragons" in the first place? This fact at least, cannot be disputed even if the reality of the religion itself can.

I have discussed dragons with several native Chinese still in China, and heard these views from them. Of course, because these people hold these beliefs does not mean they are true, no more than all the UFO believers today.

There a a number of scientists who believe in the God of the Bible, and have wrote intelligent, well thought out books which show the bible can be compatible with most aspects of evolution and an earth of over a billion years old. It is quite remarkable in fact, that any bronze age culture could conceive a creation myth which could be compatible with ideas of evolution that were only understood in the last hundred years. Archaeology has proven as well, many things in the Bible which sceptics dismissed as fantasy only a few years ago.

On the other hand there is a large mass of highly vocal "fundamentalist" christians intent on reducing the "genius" of the Bible to a ridiculous fairytale as childlike as any other primitive creation legend.

Yea I think dragons were real, but none of them ever breathed fire. It seems to weird for them to actually breath fire.

There are some things in the good book that could be interpreted as fact from a scientific standpoint.

Dragons are not one of them.

wow, this is one long topic and i know i'm new and everything but it looks like it's turning into people just insulting each other
for the record i think maybe dragons existed but breathing fire is impossible, still it would've been cool as anything if they were real and could breathe fire

Shedboy, If no modern person ever saw an electric eel, but only heard they existed in ancient times, they would not believe an animal could kill its prey by generating electricity. This could even be what the "dragon fire" really is, for electricity can burn flesh and start fires. There are serious scientists who have proven that an animal could spew fire, and in fact, a species of beetle does in fact spew out a super-hot chemical "fire" without burning itself though most of the critics on this forum are completely ignorant of that fact. If a beetle can spew "fire hot" chemicals, there is no reason a reptile could not do it to. It is a fact that some snakes are documented to spew their venom with suprising accuracy, and if they spewed a hot chemical like the beetles already do, they would be a kind of dragon. In fact the Biblical dragons are refered to as fiery flying serpents, but though they have snake like heads, most ancient depictions of them give them wings arms and legs as well.

My whole theory about dragons anyway is based on the premise that elements of the Bible are real fact, and not mythology, and one of these facts is that the mysterius Cherubim and Seraphim creatures in the Bible, are the same "dragons" believed in my everyone else in the world in the times it was written. That is what the original Hebrew scriptures say, despite the fact it was largely rewritten and misinterpreted the the heavily pagan-influenced Greco Roman Chritians.

Hmmm. Hazzard, so according to you, winged human angels are "scientific" but winged flying reptiles are not. Now lets see, I can think of at least twenty species of real, reptilian flying pterosaurs, yet oddly, not a single species of winged primate, particularly one with white feathered swan's wings and golden halos around their heads. And it is a fact that the "winged angels" are not even an original aspect of the Bible, but are a Greco-Roman pagan blalsphemy of the original scriptures created by the Roman catholics, whereas the earliest versions of the old testament ALL refer to the reptilian "fiery flying serpents" controlled by God, which quite coincidently, seem to also appears in the myths and religons of nearly every human culture, quite unlike the winged Greco-Roman "angels". The real Biblical angels are described looking exactling like regular humans, and the Cherubim and Seraphim are described as the "dragons" believed in throughout the world, and similar to scientifically proven reptilian pterosaurs. So let's face it, whether you want to believe it or not, the dragon-servants of the Bible are actually more "scientific" than many, many other things in the "Good Book" as you call it.

well DC you wrote a book on them so you probably know more than me, and ye i think breathing "fire" could just be highly corrosive acid which would indeed burn the skin

Yes, and as the beetles prove, this acid/chemical can be extremely hot as well, without hurting the amnimals that produce it. If the chemical had something like phosphorous in it, it could also ignite fires, just as the the dragons of the bible and other legends are claimed to do.

But the reaction chamber of the bombadier beetle is "armoured", and therefore does not burn the beetle. The dragon does not have any "armoured reaction chamber". The mouth could not be armmoured unless the passage way to the trachea and esophagus was armoured too...Phosporus would ignite inside the dragon, as oxygen is capable of reaching there...


They are called spitting cobras and hammydrads, and the venom does not hurt them...unless it gets into the blood stream...Spitting venom is just as amazing as humans spitting saliva.

maybe dragons could be able to do that? or i was thinking about komodo dragons and that in their mouths their saliva is filled with so much bacteria that it forms a deadly poison so one bite can kill, but it doesnt effect the dragon itself. could that be where "fire-breath" came from?

[quote]Spiting venom, maybe? Spitting fire, no.[quote]maybe dragons could be able to do that? or i was thinking about komodo dragons and that in their mouths their saliva is filled with so much bacteria that it forms a deadly poison so one bite can kill, but it doesnt effect the dragon itself.[/quote]
Spitting venom, maybe. Spitting fire, no.

As I said again, saiva and/or venom won't hurt the animal...It needs to get into the bloodstream. This venom and saliva spitting has no relevance towards the concept of fire breathing.

ye i just think that although fire-breathing is phsically impossible (i don't doubt that) that it is a bit far fetched for ancient peoples to have found dinosaur bones and managed to just dream up that they breathed fire, i mean they weren't stupid. so im just looking for any physically possible explanation for the concept.
but i could just be totally wrong

Fire is considered "evil" and dangerous, so when the people thought these were "demons", they gave them supernatural abilities such as flight and fire breathing to make them scarier...

Frogfish, the Bible also says that fire spews from God's mouth and smoke from his nostrils, so that must make him "evil" too according to your logic. Angels are credited with doing that too, but it is more probable they are getting mixed up the with flying fiery Serpent Seraphim and Cherubim "dragons"of the Bible that are sometimes mistaken as winged human like angels. The Persians believed the God of the Bible was a dragon, so maybe the acount of him spewing fire like a dragon in the books of Psalms confirms that. The might make sense too for in Job, the red dragon satan is counted among the "Sons of God" which are most probably the seraphim dragons of which Satan is one.

As for dragons spewing an intensely hot chemical like bombardier beetles, there is nothing to disprove this. Until a dragon is actually examined we cannot know if they have or do not have a similar "reaction chamber". But being heavenly creatures, this is the same argument as claiming "Jesus could not have ascended into heaven because he had no wings to fly there." There are many things in the Bible that are scientifically implausible. The Biblical dragons may have more "science" than many other aspects of the Bible, but clearly supernatural elements as well.

And I realize you do not know that much about reptiles, but the venom spitting ability of Cobras is far more sophisticated than your equating it to humans spitting saliva. On the contrary, fine, expertly aimed streams of venom are forced through hollow forward pointing fangs. Perhaps dragons spewed a hot chemical by similar means. The bible even calls them fiery flying serpents, as well as dragons.

So Frogfish, did you look up the info I mentioned about dragons being the personal, heraldic insignia of certain Catholic Popes? It is true, of course. I wonder why a Pope would have a dragon as his insignia if it is the "symbol of the Devil" like you say?. Maybe it is because a Pope probably knows a little more about the heavenly dragon-servants of the Bible than Frogfish does. They are certainly mentioned enough in Catholic literature as heavenly creatures, as great Catholic theologians like St. Thomas Aquina's states in his Summa. So woudn't a serpent be the symbol of the devil too? And if so why did Jesus tell his dicsciples to be wise as serpents. And why are the highest heavenly creatures called fiery flying serpents?

And why wouldn't God be evil? You said that the serpent in the Garden of Eden was more "honorable" than God, DC.

Yelekiah,
Actually Mako said it, taking supposed sriptural dialogue as the literal truth. If so, he is right then. But as I pointed out, if the Eden story is based on the Sumerian story of Adapa and the serpent dragon Nin-gish-zida as must be the obvious conclusion, then we cannot take the dialogue in the much later and distorted Genesis version as the literal truth of what transpired.

But you agreed with him.

I have to agree with you if that they were heavenly, it is possible...But we cannot go by the Bible alone. God was not evil himself, as he used fire to wipe out sin. Same way, since people feared dragons, they gave them the element of fire.




I have proven it over and over again that I do know more about herpeology than you...Spitting venom is no a great feat....do you know what venom glands are? They are actually salivary glands....just like humans have. Yes, I do know that Spitting cobras have a elongated cavity in their front fangs to "spit" venom...it is not much more amazing than humans sereting saliva to cover our teeth and digest food. The spiiting cobra "analogy" (it does not even deserve to be an anology) does not have anything to do with dragons! Fire spouting out of hollow teeth? Thats absurd! Even then it would still burn the mouth of the dragon, as cobras swallow some of their own venom...