Well, I finally reached the end, and it only took me a few hundred posts which could have been synthesized down to no more than three pages; now for my theory (based on the things I have observed and trying to fit them with draconic legends):

The dragons of legend were a stranded group who helped begin Earth's civilization; 50 years ago, their ship was in Hyperdrive when they passed through a star that was collapsing into a black hole; their reactor buffers overloaded and the reaction between the gravity-rift and the Hyperdrive caused them to be sent back several thousand years (Approximately 10,025 BCE). They plotted course to the nearest habitable planet, a world inhabited by a semi-sentient race, humans, Earth; they managed to crash land, but with the battered ship, they were stranded here. Only a tiny portion of the crew survived and they could not return to their own time, so they decided to teach the primitive humans; but thousands of years later, instead of being thankful and remembering them as great teachers, humans wrote them down as vicious monsters. And it is the truth, just look at the recurring dragon theme from throughout the world; then look at architecture from throughout the world, you see a recurring theme, the pyramid, The Meso-American civilizations, the Egyptians, the Sumerians, even in those multi-storied oriental buildings look suspiciously like Ziggurats. So, what are your thoughts on this?

nope, none....

I was not talking to you, I was asking the more cultured, respectable people; you are not a very pleasant person.

Flaming someone is pretty pathetic.

Well then, Instead of posting total idiotic statements and BS, post some USEFUL "stuff". Then I might start replying nicely...

Well a lot of cultures inspired others. Not shocking.

I was reffering to your behavior in preceding posts, but you seem to have somewhat proven my point in your response.

By the way, I do have my evidence, in fact, it is two stories under me in a vault.

What would you call his actions in most of his posts?

Yes it is...

Hmmmm, one thread does not prove all....Don't judge a book by its cover.

It would be pretty good evidence to uphold your claim there...can we see it?

A...fictional vault?
By all means show me the evidence of them passing though a black hole. Sway me.

Believe me, I would love to, but their is a little something called a 'non-disclosure agreement.'

Well, thats a tad 'o bad luck there...

You know all that pressure from the black hole may have shredded these dragons. Possibility.
Now that you *can't* prove it, it gives you a lot of credibility.

I would have to agree with Yelekiah on his comment, of course he is a physics buff...I think you were looking for he term "worm hole"...IF they do exist...

And who do you have this "contract" with, your dragon boss?

Even if it were a wormhole they would have to use a transversable one. Neither ones are stable enough to travel to one location and get back.

[loophole]Time for a nice science fiction story, completely fiction and definitely not real:

Once upon a time, there was a discovery of an unknown metal alloy in a shard that had obviously been subjected to immense heat and stress, it had apparently been torn off something impacting and transversing the atmosphere[/loophole]

This is all you will get, it is the least important of what there is held here; now quit it before you get me prosecuted.

You'll get yourself prosecuted by telling info on this forum, silly. They'll trace your username to your email, and find out about your account.

Sounds a lot like that BS alloy from the Roswell incident that people made up to attack the Gov't. Why would fiction get you prosecuted?

They did not travel through the singularity, they were probably the luckiest beings ever, the gravity wave that the collapsing star created as they passed through, interacted with their Hyperdrive, overloaded it, and launched them away, instead of scattering their particles throughout the universe; when they came out of Hyperdrive, their ship was practically derelict, they limped to the nearest habitable planet, where they barely managed to crash land.

Wormholes don't have a singularity.
If you are talking about a black hole, however, might I ask if it were rotating, and if so, in which direction?

Goodness you people write fast; the thing is, it was found in an archeological dig; also, read between the lines.

A dig? With dragons driving a spaceship? Are you making this up as you go along?

I have yet to finish replying to one post and I already have two more:



I have not said anything as of yet, so I have not violated the agreement.



In my first post it says 'black hole' and the information derived is sketchy at best.

Well...credibility is proof, and proof is credibility...
and why does that "alloy" automatically be a dragon spaceship?
How comes dragons even "existed", why can't they just all be a mistranslation...dinosaur bones...

Ok...you used my wormhole quote. Plus in there I ask about the black hole's singularity. I said wormhole originally because I thought you may have been confused, given that the immense pressure of a black hole can theoretically shred objects. You never answered my question about the black hole singularity btw. Why? Perhaps because what you're saying is (gasp) poorly written fiction.

Too many posts to keep up with; you did notice how I refrained from reveling the source of the information and how I previously said that those shards were the least important? Also the star was in the process of collapsing into a black hole.

Which contradicts with this...
So...they traveled through a star. They would have been incinerated.

traveling through a star is impossible...

Jonas,
Welcome to UM. If you are unaware, Frogfish's rude behavior and ignorance on many subjects stems from him being just a child, but one who fashions himself as a "boy genius" unwilling to admit he could be wrong in any of the wide area of subjects which he professes to be an "expert".

I have never ruled out an extraterrestrial origin to dragons, for in a way, Gods, and other supernatural creatures could be regarded as "extraterrestrial. Perhaps what we know as "heaven" is on another planet. As you you see, there are other forums where things like extraterristrial beings/UFOs, etc can be discussed. As you probably know, there are many ideas about "reptilian" ETs and these are discussed on these Forums. You may even enjoy the absence there of certain irritating children who know far less than they think they do, yet feel the need to respond to every thread, even if they don't know anything about the subject.

Having a long interest in archaeology and ancient cultures, I remain unconvinced of the popular "ancient astronaut" theories because, despite all of the books and theories, NOTHING has yet been found as physical proof of this. Yes, there are ziggurates in Sumeria and similar step pyramids in Mexico, just as there are benificent dragons connected with sacred trees in both cultures, but this doesn't mean the dragons are ancient astronauts. Similar "religious truths" are found in different cultures around the world, including the belief in dragons. But I would be very interested if there is any proof to these ideas you discuss, like alien dragon bones or unknown metal alloys from their spaceships, as I am sure everyone else in the world too.

Frogfish, you have never "corrected" me on a single point concerning reptiles. On the contrary, you have professed your ignorance on the subject many times, but most memorable was your not understanding the physiological differences between archosuars and the lower reptiles. It is a matter of record in the paleontology section.

You still didn't say why Popes used dragons as their personal heraldic device if they were the symbol of "evil and satan" with your "Sunday School", kiddie outlook on Christian/Catholic theology.. Though you may have never visited a real medieval Catholic Chruch (I have visited possibly hundreds), you will see representations of dragons everywhere from the Gargoyles on the roof to dragons forming the sculplted feet of Holy Crucifixes. Does this mean the catholics are devil worshippers (as some fundamentalist claim for these very reasons). No, it means that adult catholics know a little more about their theology than little kids who talk before they think and refuse to ever admit they are wrong. Besides being the highest heavenly servants in the Bible, Dragons are also symbolic of dispensing the "word of God" from their mouths in the form of purifying fire.

I always wanted to know the same, but felt silly to ask!

if dragons do exist how come we dont see any or have any records of them ever existing

emm...are legends and ancient records not good enough ehh???

No they are not good evidence. Once again, there has never been one shred of physical evidence to prove the existence of dragons. Old writings and folklore don't prove anything, but the ability to write fantasy tales.

And don't forget the dragons mentioned many places in the Bible, and even more in related scirptures. It is "believed in" by over a billion people. and every year achalologists are finding more truths in it, contradicting the skeptics. This is not to say everything can be taken literally, but the belief in dragons there is consistent with historical accounts throughout the world. Even more significant, the Bible provides an explanation of what dragons actually are.

Physcial evidence is the only kind that matters.

I hope everyone bears that in mind, given that the Bible is filled with a talking snake, a woman created from a rib, a rod turning into a snake, etc.

That's true, Yelehiah, and as I already said, everything in the bible cannot be taken literally, but the dragons are one of the few "supernatural things in the Bible which is consistents with beliefs and histories of other ancient peoples all over the world.

If anything we might consider supernatural in the bible is "fact", it may well be the dragon servants, for they are consistent with other beliefs all over the world in contemporary times as when the bible was written. This can be said of very few other scientifically inexplicable things in the bible.

I'm not sure on your stance on dragons. You think they are real?

If the God of the Bible is authentic, then his Seraphim and Cherubim "dragons" must be too, and this would explain the mystery of dragons, since they have been firmly belived in by cultures all over the world, yet if they exist, must have a "supernatural" origin, (as confirmed in the Bible), or we would have discovered physical evidence of them by now, due to how widespread the belief in them has been.

So then, dragons are as real as the God believed in by three of the worlds's great religions, and of course, they are still believed in as well by most of the religions of the orient. This is not to say that every Moslem, Jew and Christian believes in dragons, but this is because they are largely ignorant of what the Bible, and other related ancient texts say about them.

But you don't believe in God (wild guess) so I'll take that as a no.

Just because I have pointed out the blasphemies of so many "modern" beliefs of various Christian sects does not neccesarily mean I don't believe the the basic premise. In fact more than most people, I can say I have experienced no less than two known incidents in which I inexplicably escaped "certain death". In this respect, it is hard for me to dismiss "the supernatural" as just so much nonsense like so many sceptics on these forums.

So...that's still a no? I'm assuming you don't believe in the Christian paradigm of God, given that you agreed that the serpent was more "honorable" than God. Therefore, you don't believe in dragons. Not yet anyway. Is this right?

Now! Now! Flaming is not allowed. Picking on a child Especially one that has shown to be more intelligent than most adult on this forum. DC, I am now calling you OCD. It is a far more appropriate term........

Lapi'che

Take a hint from this guy!

^LMAO

Ha, thats hilarious Piney...

DC, Cherubim and Seraphim are proven humanoid "angels" in all the bibles...Angels are portrayed more widely than dragons too...

Allright back on topic, or I will be forced to close the topic down.

DC, you can stop saying that I do not know anthing about reptiles, because I do indeed know a lot...maybe even more than you...

Dragons could of also been misinterpretations of dino bones...

That's true. In fact dinosaur bones are considered by many to have inspired mythological monsters.
It was on the History Channel

History Channel is good....

a word to the truly wise, don't believe everything you hear or read, everything written by the hand of man is subject to corruption and misinterpretation.

the belief that dragons are based on dino bones has been debated for the last thirty years, also Frog, DC has age and more than likely far more experience with that subject than you.

from what i gather the topic has gone pretty far off since last week.

DC wanted to get more information and have a debate with those that have both a background and an interest in the subject.

The new testament has humanoid angels through out, yes, what DC is saying in the original Hebrew version of the old testament has dragons as Cherubim and Seraphim, the new testament writers took the greco-roman translation and translated that to old english, so corrupted it has become, and yes, nearly all the stories you believe in were from older cultures. Stop fighting, i am with the moderator on this one.

DemonWatcher