Quick question.

Did dragons ever exist?

me and my boyfriend are arguing about it, he's convinced they did.

also they have to be FIRE breathing dragons!

r u refering to the mtrhs of dragon riders?or just wild, ferocious, animal instinct type creatures?

Personally no... I don't think fire-breating dragons ever existed, there is no evidence for them besides myths and legends. Dinosaurs... yes. Fire-breathing, flying dragons... no, absolutely not in my eyes.

*Waits for Dragonic Chronicler to arrive...*

I totally agree with Rich

No. Fire Breathing monster that discriminated between beautiful princesses, and ugly maids? Why would an evil monster only eat princesses? He'd die of starvation. Bleech! Dragons never existed in my opinion.

As Richdog saidEarly man found dinosaur bones and did not understand what they were so the myth of dragons were born.

Depends. If we're talking Komodo Dragons then yes... oo;

Yes but they don't breath fire

depends what are you looking at(dinosaurs bone) were offen mistaken for dragons.

The only compelling factor towards this, is that almost every ancient civilization talks about winged flying beasts. Whether they were a type of Dinosaur that was rare and not quite extinct, is not known.

I agree that Draconic Chronicler can say more in this subject then I.

*Waits for Dragonic Chronciler to try and sell his book...*

Jeenuh, if you would scroll down to other dragon threads here in crypto, and in the paleontology section all of this has been discussed before. But very quickly, if you believe that the God of the Bible is "real", then an excellent argument for fire (and brimstone) spewing dragons can be made, for they a kind of heavenly servant creature referenced many times in a great deal of ancient Hebrew and Christian literature, (not to mention virtually every culture in the world).

And Dante, the God of the Bible is described as a "Dragonrider" in two different verses.

Many scientists, by the way, have proven that is is plausible for a living animal to spew flames from its mouth. It is really no more remarkable than electric eels or bombardier beetles. Many animals produce copius amounts of flamable gases that spew from other "orifices"

It would also seem that the whole "maiden sacrifice" thing isn't clearly understood here. But this is probably because most of you don't know "the rest of the story". Dragons, just like some of our better known reptiles, can become terribly sexually stimulated by the scent of menstruating human females. I cannot get into the sordid details on this open, "G-rated" website, but can only say that an entire chapter of my book is devoted to this widespread and interesting custom.

DC has arrived....

O, and hinduism does not have dragons, they have demons.

And your conception about being able to sew fire is much more far-fetched than el;ectric eels or bombadier beetles

You can't make fire by muscle twitches, and every animals have a "electric pulse" which sharks take advantage of...
Also, fire would scorch and burn a dragons mouth, while the liquid from bomabadier beetles are made right by the extrection opening (loss for words)

Unless fire is made in the mouth, and their mouths are fire-proof (no proof of this in any animals yet), it would be terribly had to breathe fire..

Frogfish, I have been to India many time and they do have many types of dragons there. I have several Indian dragon god statues in my collection. In fact, many of the ancient historians refer to india as being one of there favorite places, and this, in fact is true, for they enjoy raping elephants.

But according to the evidence, dragons originate in Sumero-Judaic supernatural contexts, and therefore the dragons of all other cultures, though observed, recorded, believed in, and even worshipped, actually have no role in their false religions for they are servant creatures of the Biblical God. It does not matter what people call the creatures they see. Demons/dragons or flying saucers/ufos. They are called Seraphim, Cherubim, Destroyers, Dragons and Leviathan in the Bible.

As for the fire spewing, there have been several articles, papers and programs by real scientists have explained very plausible ways this fire spewing can be performed, and I think they are more knowledgable than you on this subject. I believe they are wrong however, and my equally plausible and scientific explanation is based on certain "clues" mentioned in Biblical sources.

Ahhhh, I see you have been cornered and resorted to racism?
Thats a sign of weakness in fools like you.

There are no dragons in India mythology, so stop warping Christianity and oother religions to fit your notions....Get it in your head, dragons do not exist.

So now UFO's are dragons? Devils are Dragons? Stop wasting your time DC, you have no facts, and your statements are totally idiotic
"It does not matter what people call the creatures they see. Demons/dragons or flying saucers/ufos. They are called Seraphim, Cherubim, Destroyers, Dragons and Leviathan in the Bible." -DC

Didn't you say that the Bible is full of lies....contradicting yourself aren't you...you have run out of lies DC....you have no proof.

" As for the fire spewing, there have been several articles, papers and programs by real scientists have explained very plausible ways this fire spewing can be performed, and I think they are more knowledgable than you on this subject."-DC
Give me those fictional links of those fictional scientists and let me read your fictional BS please...

No real and respected scientist would waste their time trying to find out of a nonexistent and mythological creature's attribute were even the slightest possible

Actually saw a National geo piece about what if dragons excisted.
All very scientific and extremelly plausible.
The explained everything, and it was very believable.

Example:

Dragons had an extra lung wich they filled with a sort of helium, not really helium but something like it, so they could fly.
this same gas mad it possible for them to breath fire in combination with other gasses and the eating of a ceartin rock/miniral.
Somewhat like a bomberdeer beetle uses his defences.
Their organs had evoleved to deal with this abillity.

They had actual biologists and crytos to prove it could be possible.
Scientificly a fire breathing dragon could excist, so that's no reason to dimiss them.
They also raised the big question: "How is it possible that every civilisation and culture know what a dragon is?"
Every culture in history had it's dragons, even before cultures started dealing with eachother.
They have found art and hyrogliefs that show cultures talking about Dragons, the earliest the showed was a Mayan wall print from waaaaaaaaaaaaay befor the Mayans encountered any known civilisation.
So three things are possible:
1. Drangons excisted and died out for some reason.
2. Some unknown highly evolved civilisation taught the mayans about dragons
3. Everybody through out history had the same idea.

In the case of numbre 3 every civilisation would have to come up with flying or swimming reptiles who could breath fire or an gas that ressembles highly concentrated acid.

It was pretty convincing and very well made.
i am not saying dragons excisted, I am just saying scientificly, historically and biological they could have.

The problem is that DC seems to try to connect everything with dragons. Doesn't matter what it is. It must me dragons. Come on now.I don't know if he is doing this just to promote his book(which gets mentioned in every other post), but come on it sounds like a broken record.

Okay it was a good show, but it doesn't mean they are real.

Isn't that what I said?
I said it doesn't mean they are real, but the programme made the idea plausible.

Ive seen that show, it was meant to be more for fun than education...kind of like Alien Planet

yes I know, buuuuuuuuuuuuut i actually saw it on DVD and the scientists where actual scientist. (most of them Biologists and cryptós)
They did say it was all just for entertainment, but their theories where actual scientific theories.
Dragons could've scientificly speaking excist, doesn't mean they did.
So there is now biological reason they couldn't have.

Once again I am not saying they did, but they could have scientificlly speaking.

yes, they have the scientists because they want to be as correct as possible, they don't want to make a random dragon which would defy all physics and such

YES! THAT IS 2 KNOCKOUTS FOR OLE FROGFISH!!!!
Now you need to get a TKO over in "Spirituality Section" and you get the belt..


Lapi'che bro

Sorry to be a spoilsport, but Indian Myth did/does have dragons, check the tale of Visvarupa for one example.

again, not everything reptile are dragons...snakes are not dragons, and so are crocs not dragons. Visvarupa was a human priest with 3 reptilian heads...that doesn't mean he is a dragon...He would more fit the definition of a demon, but he was not...

Thanks Piney

I think it would be possible for a dragon to exist. Being able to breathe fire, and fly, really are not impossible abilities. A fire Salamander has poisonous skin, a squid can shoot out ink, certain reptiles can re-grow their tails, bats fly using a sonar like ability. If nature can create these possibilities, I see nothing wrong, with making a flying reptile, that can breathe fire.

With the right chemical mixture, fire can be created. Just like how chemical mixture can come together to make a snakes venom. Of course I am no scientist, but I keep an open mind with what nature can do with evolution.

sorry, you will find "dragons" as evil gods....i meant to put dragons in quotes because there is no classification of a dragon...Those reptilian entities in Hinduism and Buddhism could very well not be dragons

Sorry to be a spoilsport Mayan Culture was heavily influenced by trade with Asia. Dragon lore probably originated from that influence. As for D.C. North American Natives do not have any Dragons. The Piasa was known as a "Water Cougar" and was covered with fish scales not green ones.

Lapi'che

nope totally agree, but a fire/acid breathing reptile that flyes or swims sumes up a dragon in my book.
The fact that in the tale the creature is called a dragon, don't remember the actual indina word for it says enough for me taht the scientists are right in claming that every known culture in the history of the world had it's dragons was right.
Visvarupa is just one example.
Just saying that it seems that every culture did have their dragons, one way or the other.

sorry for the double post...Also, those Serpents would be or have human body parts and/or also be symbols (symbolism)

Well actually the "Dragon" tales of the myans predate the first encounters with other civilisations.
Atleast that is what is no seean as the truth.
Mayans had their dragons before any known culture had any contact with them.

But don't get me wrong i am not, I repeat not, a believer of dragons excisting.
I am just telling what I know and read.

Time for me to jump into the fray...

YES THEY WERE REAL!!!!!!! NO I DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT PREPOSTEROUS CLAIM!!!!!!!

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insia's serpents were not dragons, and many were symbolic...hindu's don't really believe the Universe came from an egg...its symbolism

oh come off it now, every one needs something to believe in and this happens to be it for many people. I believe in dragons, though not in the physical world, though they may be nothing more than messengers.

Remember a very wise man once said nothing is impossible just highly improbable.

I'm just refuting it, unlike the thousands of people who attack me for being Catholic and calliing catholics pagan and devil-worshippers *cough* DC *cough*

Who cares if dragons exsisted or not, it's obviously not gonna affect anything now. Besides, you'd think that gigantic, flame spewing reptilians would be pretty efficient killers, without any natural predators (that I can think of at least). So where did they all go.

DC will probably say theyre heavenly beings...they are not, its does not say anywhere in the scriptures, and don't bring up your peverted, warped "DC Scriptures"....

Forggy, the scriptures you are refering are the Old Testament i assume, and these in their original language are in Hebrew, which has been mistranslated by the West for centuries (I study history pretty in depth when something like this comes along), no one is bashing the catholics, just saying that modern christian ideology is a mixing of beliefs from both the Greeks and the Romans, as well as many arabic cultures at the time.

Remember, something, in 400 ad the newly formed christian church held a conference and edited the bible, SEVERELY. THIS IS FACT, look it up.

and just like you said, Im refuting the facts the dragons do not exist...ufos have been showed in cave painting around the world, that doesn't mean they are real...dragons, simply, were dino bones...thats all...

Yes, Dragons do exist, but the only one i can think of right now that breathes fire is the European Dragon

"Chinese dragons" breathe fire in their myths too...
Could you kindly explain why you believe in dragons, and/or any facts you have...

why do you need facts, every one is entitled to believe what they will, without any supporting evidence. Even you.

Im not saying that they are , but for some reason sometimes I sense that they are . I also read an article on dragons and watched a documentary on discovery channel ... its possible . I would even say likely . We have practically everything else to confirm their existance except the most critical piece - bones .

Well komodo dragons exist, but as for fire breathing ones, no.

Im not gonna risk getting shouted at by the differing views on this subject by expressing my view that dragons could well have........oops.

I have zero proof they did exist and you have zero proof they didnt but if i may share a fact then it may make my point.

If i may use the dinosaurs to state this claim,(bare with me)

"For the whole age of Dinosaurs,fewer than 1.000 species have been identified(almost half of them known from a single specimen), which is about a quarter of the number of mammel species alive now. Dinosaurs, bear in mind, ruled the earth for roughly three times as long as mammels have, so either dinosaurs were remarkably unproductive of species or we have barely scratched the surface." Bill Bryson - Short history of nearly everything. (Awesome book if you always wanted to know a short history of nearly everything........then....this is the book for you!)

So my argument is if the dinosaurs were around for so long and we dont truelly know a great deal about the various different species and there is almost certainly hundreds if not thousands of species of dinosaurs we dont know about/will never know due to the fact that actually becoming a fossil is quite a difficult business. A great deal of "just so" conditions must be met etc to actually form a fossil AND not only do those things have to happen in exactly the right way, they also have to be left undisturbed for a long,long long, time, AND then last but not least.....someone has to actually find them and dig them up....AND then correctly identify the animal etc.....for all we know the legs on the T-rex could really belong to a dragon but the smart guys made a mistake, hardly ever is a intact skelliton found together and if you study how messed up the skellitons were put together of the dinosaurs before advances in technology etc you can understand.

Dinosaurs had toes as noses?......horns as teeth?..... all mistakes easily made,

now im not gonna try and force my view on anyone but all im saying is that IF dragons did exist then there is a very good chance that no physical record of them do exist. Even if they were alive until quite modern times, There are animals which died out a matter of decades ago that we have no record of whatsoever. There are hundreds of species thathave died out in the last hundred years that we barely can discribe now. The dodo im sure you all know, was wiped out not so long ago......no one even knows what colour is was...or what it sounded like, the only specimen the scientific community had was burned on a fire because it smelled bad!

My point is that until you can totally disprove dragons, then you gotta keep a open mind about them.

I dont believe in gravity but you all do so in the aid of us all getting along im prepared to let that one go

Also even the most bizarre desciptions of anicient animals have always had some basis on fact, So something kinda like a dragon must of existed somewhere.

I am fairly sure it didnt sound like Sean Connery though.......

Rogue

Now that would be a strange sceptical to be unfortunate enough to witness - a dragon raping an elephant!!!

Personally I would like to believe that there was something from ancient past that started these myths and legends of great fire breathing creatures. Everything has its roots somewhere; mostly it can be redrawn back to mundane things. But the subject of dragons has been raging for millennia, and will do so for a long time to come.

Would someone besides myself who knows a little about the Bible please tell frogfish that dragons are mentioned many times in the bible, and not as dinosaurs, but as heavenly creatures? Everything I have stated about dragons in a Biblical context is from the original Hebrew scriptures. Frogfish has created his "own" version of the Bible that simply ignores what it really says. Whether or not people choose to believe the Bible is the authentic word of a real God, the fact remains that this book states that the highest heavenly servants are Seraphim, and word in Hebrew means "fiery and flying serpents", which is a fair description of the same "dragon-like" creatures of virtually every other culture around them. The Hebrews came from Sumeria, which was filled with dragon lore, and the earliest, sumerian version of the eden story, of which the hebrew one must have evolved, includes a talking dragon who is a servant to the Chief God, and offer "adama" eternal life on behalf of his master in heaven.

Many "modern" Christian including Frogfish, have created a new "Christian Mythology" in which they have essentially "blocked out" all of those things in the Bible that they cannot reconcile with their personal interpretation of their theology, despite th fact these these are written down in black and white, in the earliest, purest versions of the Bible we have.

Anyone who is not brainwashed, and willing to research the scriptures I have cited in my various posts, cannot deny the fact that dragon-like creatures are referred to in the Bible and are both benificent (seraphim/Cherubim/destroyers/praise singing dragons (Psalms), wise dragons (Jesus), etc. as well as one of these heavenly dragons perceived to be evil (Satan).

Many very knowledgeable Christians have already read my manuscript, and all of those points regarding Biblical scriptures, they concurr that these heavenly creatures are clearly a form of "dragon". It is impossible for any intelligent, rational person to ignore the evidence. Besides the Bible, these dragons can even be seen in depictions of the holy Jerusalem temple treasures, they are the creature that swallows Jonah in all of the early Christian depictions, they guard the gates of heaven, guard God's throne, and devour the wicked in ancient church mosaics, they are clearly referred to and described as dragons, in a great deal of ancient Judao-Christian text besides the bible itself, one of the greatest theologians of Catholocism, St. Thomas Aquinas acknowleded that God created many of these heavenly servant dragons but one became wicked. Another great Catholic acknowledged huge, flying dragons as one of God's most wonderful creations, etc.

Frogfish, instead of calling me a fool and liar on this forum, and denigrating yourself in the eyes of everyone reading these posts, I suggest you spend a day on the internet and prove for yourself, that EVERYTHING I said about dragons in the Bible is TRUE. Does that mean the bible is true? No. Does that mean that dragons are real? No. All it means is that the ancient Jews and Christians believed in dragons as much as everyone else in the ancient world, and that they also believed, as most cultures do that these awesome and powerful creatures had a place in ther religious beliefs. What my book is basically doing, is bringing to light, all of the dragon stories and accounts in the Jewish and Christian religions that have been purposely "covered up" over the centuries, just as you Frogfish, are continuing to try to do.

But unless you can go back in a time machine, and remove all of the irrefutable evidence that is avalable to any researcher, as I have proven, these simple truths will be brought to light again, and ammassed in one book. If you think the Bible is going to be considered less real to people of its admission that dragons are heavenly servants, that's to bad. Some people will want to know this information.

The bottom line is very simple, if the Christian God is real, and the Bible is the word of that God, then His dragons must be real too. You are only undermingyour own faith by declaring the parts of it you don't look are not real, like the dragons. I still wonder why this is such a hang up to you since you like dinosaurs so much, and heavenly dragons were probably derived from the more primitive dinosaurs, just as mankind was derived from more primitive primates.

But when its published, you are more than welcome to burn as many copies as you buy. History proves that Catholics have been burning books (and people) for centuries that didn't bow to their beliefs, and I can see that you are the type to carry on this fine tradition, (the book part, anyway).

If there are moderators here, I would ask that they start "moderating" next time Frogfish calls someone a liar and a fool on this forum.

Has your book been published? Have you a link to it?

I hope it is out by Christmas. I will have links here when it is available. amazon will have it, as well as E-books. I am now working on a website that will have a forum, additional photos of biblical dragons in cancient art, etc.

First of all, you seem confident that everything you believe is right, and everything else in the bible is wrong...i see a connection between that approach and mine....Secondly, how do you know that your scriptures are the puest, you do not know that there could of been an earlier version, which states the truth, and that hass been warped to your scriptures...thats the one idea that could undermine all of your ideas and research...Remeber, I am not saying its true, but there could be a possibility..

O yes, please come mods, but I doubt you could find any fault with DC cause he has taken PMs to his "advantage"...also, I doubt calling someone a fool would be worthy of notice, because I have been called that many times for my reasonable arguing in many other threads...and no on took notice