Dolores Cannon is a world-renowned past-life regressionist who lives and works in the Ozark Mountains of Arkansas, USA. In her book "They Walked With Jesus" she recounts how two of her clients had, in previous incarnations, met Jesus when he lived in Palestine.
When Dolores regressed her back to a past life, an American woman named Mary began to give a detailed description of her life in Palestine, when Jesus lived there. Her name then was Abigail. In that past life, Abigail's teenage years were spent receiving training from a spiritual Order that might possibly have been the Essenes. The things she learnt were a more mystical knowledge of life that was often in conflict with the narrow, orthodox religion of the priesthood. After leaving this group, as a young woman she found herself training children in Jerusalem's main Temple (Herod's Temple). The head priests and elders did not approve of her having learnt so much knowledge. Under deep hypnosis, Mary (as Abigail) continues the story of her past life (Dolores is asking her questions):-

"D. (Dolores): Where are you?
M. (Mary): I seem to be at a temple.....All is not well.
D: What is the matter?
M: I believe I am not being allowed to teach....I am not being allowed to share. It's...my people. It's as if I have been put away.
D: But you have so much knowledge, why wouldn't they allow you to teach? You have many important things to pass on.
M: They are not happy about the knowledge that I have.
D: Who are they?
M: The elders. The men. I am a woman. They say women are not worthy to be taught anything. I am not to have this kind of knowledge. They don't want me to teach...
D: Have you been teaching before this time?
M: Children. I taught.....children would be brought to me. And I would share with them. The parents would bring them. We would sit on the steps of the Temple. And we would learn by playing games and telling stories and dancing. And I would bring light into their minds.

D: You were talking about God's words, so I wondered what god you worshipped.
M: Well, my understanding is different from the understanding of the men. As long as I deal with the children I am humoured. I am to keep silent in my understandings.
D: I can't see anything wrong with them.
M: The priests....(she hesitated--it was difficult to explain). It is very distasreful to me. Their behaviour, their teachings. They are so CLOSED. They are so DARK. They are not of the light. They are not of the TRUTH even. They keep people away from the IMMEDIACY of our experience with God. He's not somewhere FAR OFF that is so hard to get to. He's not ANGRY at us. He doesn't require us to kill beautiful animals as a sacrifice. He is WITH us, in every breath we take. He is PART of us. He lives within us. WE ARE GOD in physical form. WE ARE IT....

D: Have you ever heard of the story of the Messiah?
M: I don't know of the Messiah, but I believe there is a man teaching. He is not happy with the priests either (sigh). I believe there is a man with an understanding similar to mine. The kingdom of God is within. The temples are not to separate God from man. The temples are to be a place of UNION. Man should be able to come into the holy space, and invite God directly into his heart. Not through sacrifices, not through intercessions, but be allowed to stand on that holy ground and commune DIRECTLY WITH GOD.
D: I agree with you. But this other man, have you ever seen him or heard him speak?
M: I believe he's been at a different location on the Temple steps than where I teach....
D: Have you heard him when he was talking to the people?
M: I believe he was speaking to a crowd when I had the children on the other side of the stairs. He speaks with much authority. I am curious to know who this is."

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In part 2 of this post, I'll continue Abigail's story of her encounters with Jesus in Mary's past incarnation.

Post the rest. I want to read. This is interesting, yet I'm skeptical. =D

or more realistically, somebody has a vivid imagination and another is bilking it for all its worth.

Possible, but we don't know.

Part 2 dammit!

Part 2 of Mary's past life recall (under deep hypnosis) of an incarnation in the Palestine of Jesus' time:

"M (Mary): He speaks with much authority. I am curious to know who this is.
D (Dolores the regression therapist): Have you heard anyone say who he is?
M: This is most unusual. There is a man motioning to us to come. The children and I. He says, "Come! You must hear him. This man is the son of God."
D: Is he also on the steps?
M: He's running toward the end where the crowd is gathered.
D: Are you going to go with him?
M: I am torn between going to hear this person speak---I cannot leave the children unattended.....I am not willing for them to come with me at this time. I do not know what it is that I would be taking them to. And I am very careful with the children.
D: I think you're very wise because you don't want to endanger the children. Do you stay with them instead of going to see who this man is?
M: I am torn. I am as halfway between each.
D: I suppose you're very curious, too.
M: Yes. I want to know who this is that speaks with such authority.
D: Can you hear him speaking?
M: I can hear his voice. He speaks with complete authority. (Laugh) Ah! I must return to the children. They are my responsibility.
D: But at least you can hear him from where you are.
M: He's a distance away. I can hear speaking, I cannot discern words. I can discern his tone of voice. He speaks very clearly.
D: Maybe you will find out someday who he is, and be allowed to hear him, and see him up close.
M: I have a feeling that we will know each other. There is a common understanding that WILL DRAW US TO EACH OTHER. I can be patient."
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In Part 3, which I'll post in about an hour's time, you can read about Abigail's (Mary in her present life) meeting with Jesus.

Somehow this thread appears familier. The story of Shiharizade comes to mind.

Hyper, the least you can do is keep an open mind. It has been demonstrated time and time again that hypnosis is a very reliable way of proving the reality of Reincarnation, and of obtaining detailed information about people's past lives.
Dolores Cannon has been conducting past life regressions for over 20 years, and is well known and respected as a researcher of integrity, honesty and good character. She is NOT the kind of person who would "bilk" (do you mean "milk"?) "it for all its worth."
If people would only refrain from instantly closing their minds to any new and unusual ideas, they would give themselves enough time to take a scientific approach to those ideas. Instant rejection of new concepts is unscientific! If people jump to over-rapid conclusions, before thoroughly researching a subject with an OPEN, UNBIASED MIND, they are in danger of never knowing the real truth about that subject.

Who or what is "Shiharizade"?

et: shame on you for not doing your own research on hypnosis before saying it is reliable.

you are assuming i am just jumping to conclusions but i am laughing at the rediculous based on examining 'past lives', 'hyponosis', etc. Don't try and shoe-horn me into a model you seem all to intent to fill yourself.

edit: also try to refrain from trying to invoke any legitimacy to this past-life-hypnosis bunk by calling on people to be scientific. It is in taking a scientific approach that this topic of yours has been demonstrated to be garbage.

Part 3 of Mary's past life recall (under deep hypnosis) of a life in which she met Jesus himself:

"M (Mary): (at Herod's Temple in Jerusalem) (Softly) That man!
D (Dolores): What man?
M: That man of light.
D: What does the light look like?
M: It is white. COMPLETELY around him. It emanates from every part of his body. From his feet...all, ALL around his body....to his head (amazed). It's as if he walks in a capsule of light.
D: Oh, it sounds beautiful.
M: It's most remarkable. I've never seen anything like that. HE IS OF THE LIGHT.
D: What do you think is causing the light?
M: His spirit. It is an outer manifestation of his INNER light. It simply cannot be contained in a physical body, and so it emanates out. It is really clear, just for me to see.
D: Are you surprised that you can see something like that?
M: Oh, no, no, that's not uncommon. Just the NATURE of the light itself is so unusual. It is such a white light.
D: You mean its not unusual for you to see lights around people.
M: No, no, I am of that knowledge.
D: Were the other lights you've seen different?
M: Yes. This is very different. The children, you see, have their soft glows about them. Their pinks and their yellows and their greens. Very soft, childlike, glowing jewels. This man is a DIAMOND. This man is a clear, white, powerful light. Very, VERY powerful."
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The next exciting episode will be in Part 4. Stay tuned, folks!

Hyper, I HAVE researched hypnosis very thoroughly over a period of about THIRTY YEARS, and have concluded from this in-depth study that past life regression hypnosis is one of the most reliable, workable tools for unlocking the subconscious minds of people.
But, Hyper, you ARE jumping to conclusions! You instantly dismissed Mary's past life recall under hypnosis as being simply her over-vivid imagination which the hypnotist took advantage of! You use the emotionally-charged, judgmental word "ridiculous" to describe past life recall by means of hypnosis, instead of taking the time to SCIENTIFICALLY research the subject over a period of many years. Hyper, your preconceived and biased attitude is not conducive to gathering real knowledge about anything.
How can I fill the model you talk about when I have never jumped to conclusions about past life regression? I studied it for MANY YEARS before drawing any conclusions about it. Can you say the same?

yes, i have studied hypnosis in depth.

it would seem more that you are searching for something to fit your own needs. If it were anything else, you would not accept past-life-hypnosis as anything more than a parlour trick.


i was refering to your quick effort to personally attack me. You were quick enough to want to appeal to anything other than fact in your defense, including trying to dirty me with accusations. How very scientific of you.

If you don't like words like 'bunk' and 'garbage', present something that is not so seriously undermined.

By calling past life hypnosis "bunk", you are obviously closing your mind and jumping to over-rapid conclusions. Why do you have a problem with using scientific, open-minded and thorough research to vindicate past life regression? Why don't you back up your arguments with factual information, instead of merely using emotionally-charged words such as "bunk", "ridiculous" and "garbage" to reinforce your preconceived biases? Be a THINKER, instead of being in denial. Study this subject thoroughly, THINK deeply about it, and ONLY then reach a conclusion about it, rather than instantly rejecting it without giving it enough THOUGHT! It is all too easy to deny and reject new and unusual ideas; anyone can do that. It takes a real THINKER to open his mind to new concepts. Hyper, please open your mind! (I hope this can be a friendly debate. Please don't take anything I say as a personal attack on you, Hyper. We can at least agree to disagree with each other.)

drop it et! really! i have thought about it. how about you... oh forget it.

i have researched hypnosis. the entire area of hypnosis and ALL its applications.

Enjoy your diversionary tactics, i guess they suit you well.

Scheherazade was a fictional wife of a sultan in the story of the Arabian Nights. In order for her not to be killed she began a never ending story. And the rest is herstory.

Well Hyper Active, you are entitled to be a skeptic. Most with a scientific inclination usually are. Always trying to put something in a box to make it appear rational to the limited confines of our (sorry.. your) current day human brain.

There are many things out there that defy explanation, but I guess it doesn't matter to you as you are living in the confines of your own little universe. So what the heck?

Just because Hypnotism doesn't work for you doesn't mean to say it doesn't work for anyone else.

In much the same way as you don't have the ability to pilot a 747 Jumbo Jet doesn't mean that it can't be done.

Get my drift?

Where's part 4 =( Anyone have links to this stuff?

Welcome to UM scribbly.


Scribbly, that's a great way of putting it. Skeptics use our limited knowledge to say if something is possible or not, as if we have no room to learn anything new.

Welcome to UM!
certainly some skeptics over exaggerate their position, literally blinding them to new possibilities, however the concept of skeptic should consist of maintaining a neutral uninvolved stance. though youre right zero, it rarely happens that way...

ET doesn't come here anymore and neither does Hyper, funny i loved both these minds just different ways to look at things , both very brilliant men i don't think you can find em much more brilliant.

I agree that skeptisism is no longer the same as it use to be. I get attacked for making comments on skeptics, but they don't get the fact that I'm talking about the people who are over skeptic. In all reality, everyone is skeptical. When you look at all the simple things in life, we all have skeptisism built into us. You see a pot on the stove, you're not sure that the burner was turned off, it appears to be off, but most people would think twice [even if they do decide to grab it anyway].

And, contrary to popular belief, most people are also skeptical when hearing noises. [at least that's how it looks from my standpoint]. You're walking around your house and hear a small "bump", most people don't think much of it and will continue on as if they never heard of it.



Those same skeptics like to say that believers stop us from gaining new knowledege, but skeptisism can do just as much. If you continuously say "can't be true", "impossible", etc.. We'll never learn anything new.



Just felt like ranting.

Maybe a wee bit off topic but skeptics love to be "shown" evidence- one of the greatest moments in my life was when my skeptic friend laughed at my house being "haunted" until he encountered a night in my home that changed his life forever- he even described himself as a "Cynical Bastard" before the experience. These ghastly occurance happened a few times, and even started occuring in his own house- now he believes in spirits or "souls"...From full blown athiest to an agnostic- he's stepping up

I wish that would happen to a few people I know. =O

Me too

Hyperactive please present why you think Hypnosis and Past-life regression are bunk. You have so far not given any logical reasons to why you think the way you do.

Zero
There is a good book about not only past life regression but what the patients said they saw inbetween lives.

its called, "Journey Of the Souls." I believe its by Michael newton who actually writes what the subjects say. Edgar Cayce is also an interesting look into hypnosis of past lives. he once hypnotized a lady who claimed to be the inn keepers daughter in bethleham.

I'm getting ready to do this as well with a friend of mine. I just hope I wasn't anyone bad.......

i HAVE A NUMBER OF PROBLEMS ABOUT PAST LIFE REGRESSION. Keep in mind that I really do believe in reincarnation.
#1-I would like to see a demonstration of someone speaking a language they have never studied in this incarnation, preeferably in writing or on tape. Until then I remain sceptical. I have heard of so many people remembering ancient Greece or whichever, none of them babbling in a documentable language.
#2-Along the same lines, noone seems to remember a culture distant from the one in current incarnation. Why do no americans, for ex., remember being Chinese?
#3-Everyone seems to have been either, like the woman we are discussing, linked to some historical event, or they were a king or a famous figure themselves. Bulltweedy! My theory is this: Maybe they remember who was king in a particular time, and that is what comes out, not the actual live they led.
#4-There seems to be very few cases (I know, Bridey Murphy) where a person remembers a life, and events, that they personally know nothing about (refer to #2), which can later be found to be true and documented. A Buddhist, for ex., with no knowledge of Jesus, remembering a life in which they met Jesus, giving exact details-now that would be something! Or an Australian Aborigine remembering meeting either Buddha or Jesus! Now, that would really be impressive. Show me the money.

Until then, I remain open-minded, but consider all unproven.btw, I never heard of Edgar Cayce performing hypnosis. Is this even true?

I don't know about the different lanuages but that would be something to investigate.
I'd be interested as well.
On your second point this is something i have read that people have remembered living in a different culture.
On the third point I don't think this is the case that most remember being like famous or linked to an historical event. i think maybe those cases are just the one that get alot of attention ya know? Like if someone said, "Yeah i was just a chinese farmer" versus "yeah i was the king of Eygpt" I did hear a very interesting case on T.V. once where a Christian man had memories of being jewish. they sent rabbis to investigate his story and did past life regression and he mentioned certain things he shouldn't have known. maybe I can find a link or something for that one.

I believe in reincarnation as well and actually it was my daughter that really made me think it was possible. She asked me one day what the word was for some who lived before and I've never told her of reincarnation but once more she knew certain things from an asian culture that she couldn't have known and I believe her when she told me she didn't know how she knew and it definately was something that few people might be preavy to.

Reincarnation is a very, VERY difficult thing to explain. It is not linear in the sense, that you live one life, and then die, and then reincarnate and live another life. Most people understand reincarnation this way, and it is false.

With reincarantion you have to think aobut things in terms of energies. As in your life represents an energy, this energy can in future incarnations divide itself among many other energies. The human as an indiviudal is a conglemerate of multiple energies from many different lifetimes. These different energies also manifest as different personalities but usually there is a dominant personality/energy.

Now, it is possible that you could have two energies of 2 different people who lived simultaneously in a past era. And someone else could have parts of those energies also. Everytime a life is lived it creates a new energy which adds to the pool of avaiable energies for future incarnations. So it is possible for two people to have the same past 'lifetime' in a sense. But rest assured you as an individual living currently are unique, and none other like you has existed before or ever will for that matter.

The soul essence adopts different energies as forms of expression to experience and learn with. This furthers the soul essence's knowledge and experience base and by this method the soul essence evolves. Personality-energies are just tools for the soul. The soul itself is gender-less and personality-less yet it accumulates a whole spectrum of knwledge through its various incarnations which themselves adopt and then become personalitys-energies on their own.

It is an exponential creation process.

then you have to account for the eternal moment of now venom, everything is happening now correct?? hyper actually went into great detail on why he didn't except this theory, I'll try to find the thread. give me alittle time . i too ws very curious as to why I lean towards the seth explination of this idea and you??

Haha, yes of course sherri, I didnt want to get in to concepts of time because it becomes far too confusing then. You are quite right though time is not linear, and therefore all 'lifetimes' exist simultaneously in the eternal moment of now.



Oh thad be great, Im musta missed that one.



Ah yes, my current understading of reincarnation is in part due to Seth.

Venom so if all is happening now including all lives you have lived or probable lives, this is deep can you share your understanding so far on this aspect i am trying to work this out,

Venom
I found what you said very interesting, I've never heard that before and i'm always looking to learn and expand the horizons. So if you don't mind I'd like to ask a few questions.

1) If energies and souls are different manifestations of life in a sense than which one actually keeps the memories or experiences?

2) Would the energy go through the same process as a soul after death occurs?

3)How does karma occur? If the energies (personailites) and such transfer onto another soul.

well i would like to see part 4 of the story and i had a dream of jesus and he did stand likr he had mich aturity and he was dressed in all white and did not look like the picture in portraits

follow the light

Hi,
Very interesting thread and I cant believe that no one mentioned the best seller book, Many lives Many Masters byt Dr.Brian Weiss. I am sure there are many skeptics here and their opinion does not invalidate the truth one bit.Everone has the right to be a skeptic but its another thing to be close minded.