Hello... my first post here... and it's gonna be long... i'm gonna use a c&p of the emails that i have sent out to numerous people that I have emailed to find some help and comfort to my Grandmother... So here goes:

I am writing to you to tell you the story of my Grandmother, and to also hopefully get help, as we are at an end as of what to do to help her out.


First of all I'd like to say that my Grandmother is as sane as anyone I know. She is 77 years old, and seems to be only 50. I really don't know where to start exactly, but I'll do my best to give all the information to you that I can. I have tried to contact other Mediums and such in regards to this situation, but to no avail.

First a bit about my Grandmother.
My Grandmother and Grandfather lived were married for 50+ years. They lived and farmed on my Grandfather's homestead for as long as they were married. They had 4 children, 2 boys and 2 girls. Also, my Grandfather's Mother lived with them on the farm until the year she died. This was approximately 9 years ago. They retired from farming approximately 7 years ago and moved to a small community of about 17,000 people.
Since the move, my Grandfather's health deteriorated, and with the visits to and from the hospital, a heart surgery and numerous medications, he passed away 3 years ago. There was never any real reason for his death. He was in the hospital at the time, with his family by his side. During the week before he passed, he seemed to just get weaker and weaker and lost his will to live. His mind was also going. An autopsy was not done.
After his passing, my Grandmother stayed in the home that they moved into, and all seemed well. She is very active and does alot of things in the community, from working at Bingo's and at numerous events in the hall. She is a whiz at making all her receipe's for all her Children and Grandchildren and Great Grandchildren. She still drives and comes to visit us every few months. We live in a city 2 hours away from where she lives. My Mother (her daughter) calls her regularly. Also, where she lives, she has a son and Grandchildren who do help her when she needs. So, since the passing of my Grandfather, all was as well as to be expected.... Until she began to experience some unexplainable things.. below is a copy and paste of what happened when it happened.

It all started out for her on the night of February 23, early morning of February 24 of this year, 2005.

-The night it all started, the following happened. She watched the late night news, which was done around 11:30pm. She got ready for bed and turned in around midnight. Where her house is located, there is a lighted park in behind her, so even with the drapes drawn, the inside of her house is never pitch dark. Anyways, at exactly 12:40 she was awoken by a 'COOL BREEZE' which she says felt exactly like when her and my Grandfather lived on the farm and before they had Airconditioning in the house, my Grandfather would open their bedroom window, and a 'COOL BREEZE' would enter, and my Grandmother always told him how good it felt having the window open. So, with feeling the cool breeze, and she NOT being a sound sleeper, she opened her eyes and sat up. From her bed you can see the hallway which leads to another bedroom. As she awoke and sat up, she SAW my Grandfather walking to the other bedroom. He had on the 'EXACT' same clothing he had on as the last day he was ever alive in their house. So she watched, and he came back from the extra bedroom and came to the entrance way of her bedroom in which she was sleeping. She has told me that he was there as plain as day, and in the physical sense, as he was not an image that you could see through, but as a person would be standing there. He looked at her and then turned around and walked out of the room into the hallway and started his way towards the kitchen. She says she jumped out of bed, and started for the hallway. Across from the extra bedroom and beside her bedroom is the bathroom. As she walked into the hallway to go after my Grandfather, she noticed a bright white light eminatting from the floor just between where the hallway rug meets the bathroom flooring. She looke up and said to my Grandfather "PETE, WHAT DO YOU NEED, ARE YOU OK?? I'M OK", he then just DISAPPEARED. She turned around and the light on the floor also disappeared. For the rest of the night, she didn't sleep. She has also told me that the spot where she saw the light on the floor is where my Grandfather stood and told her before he passed on that 'they sure have a beautiful home, and that he knew he would not see it again.'.. He then started to cry. Where he stood the day before my Grandmother took him to the hospital, this is where the light was.

-Next we have a series of unbelieveable events that has happened to my Grandmother since then.
For the following 5 nights she has been awake or has woken to a bright light on the top of her dresser. The light looks like a, as she put it, 'A UPSIDE DOWN WASP'S NEST'... On the 5th night she got up and went to touch this light and even though it seemed solid, her had passed right through it...
After these lights, she has witnessed other 'PEOPLE' that have been in her bathroom off her bedroom, not the same bathroom as I have mentioned above, but the one directly off her bedroom.
The first other sightings that she had were two figures in the entrance way to this bathroom, wrapped in white towels.. She has told me that these beings were also solid and she was not able to see through them. All the figure was visible except for the heads/faces. Then when she would turn the lights on, these figures would vanish, as did the lights on the dresser. As soon as the lights would go one, the things would all disappear.
Another sighting had a person (unknown to her whether it was man or woman) with a pair of pjayamas on, who came into her bedroom from this same bathroom and grabbed the 'WAST NEST' like light and took it with itself back into the bathroom and disappeared above where the shower is, so she quickly got up to look into the bathroom and nothing! Again, she did not see a face of this person, just 'flower pjayamas' and a body, but no face. These lights on the dresser are becoming now continuous, and she said that when the light is there, she can even fall asleep, and awake at 6:30 and the light is still there. All disappears when it is bright and or the light is on.
She also has seen in this same bathroom a woman standing in the entrance to the bathroom, with a 'BRIGHT SKY BLUE' dress on, with her hands crossed over her chest. Her hands were 'RED' in color, and again no face. Where the face is, it's just dark. Again, she said that the image there was solid, because from where she was, you can see a decoration on the wall, but when this woman was there, you could not see the decoration.
Another night, with the light still on the dresser, again at 12:40, this time not asleep at all, she looked toward the hallway where she had seen my grandfather a few days earlier, and where the extra bedroom is, she saw as she put it 'TWO PILLARS, ONE ON EACH SIDE OF THE DOORWAY, LEADING TO THE ROOF, WITH THE BOTTOM OF THE PILLARS ON FIRE.' She said bright red fire. This was for all but 2 or 3 seconds. As witnessing this, she said the room beyond the doorway was blurred. Then her sight was taken off of the doorway and focused on the light switch in her room. She said it was as if something splashed up onto the switch from the floor and made the wall wrinkly. She got up and went to the light switch and all was ok.. She slept the rest of the night as much as she could with the light on.
Coming on 2 weeks now, of nightly occurances, the most frightening occurance happened. Again, at or around 12:40 she was awoken and her bedroom was pitch dark, as she said 'IF THE POWER WAS OUT IN THE CITY'.. it was pitch Black, then less than 2 feet infront of her, she saw TWO BRIGHT RED EYES coming towards her. She got scared, screamed, and jumped out of bed and turned the lights on. Now, I can't remember what she told me entirely, but she went to sleep in the living room. Now, I'm not sure if it was this night or the next, but she had a candle on the coffee table, and then after (I think it was the next night) she blew the candle out, and fell asleep. She then said it was as if 'SOMEONE HAD TOLD HER TO OPEN HER EYES', she said she heard no voice, but she knew to open her eyes. So she opened her eyes to see a man standing on the other side of the coffee table, he was wearing a black modern suit holding something white in his hand. No face was observed, as again it was dark and kinda fog like in the face area, but the rest of the body was solid and not see throught. She had a flashlight with her, so she turned it on, and it disappeared. Her attention then went back towards the hallway where she had originally saw my Grandfather, and there was another pillar there. Solid in nature she said, because the little nightlight that she can usually see from the living room was covered by this pillar. Then the hanging plant in the living room started to sway back and forth as if someone was pushing it. She also saw another pillar beside the front entrance way, towards the stairs that lead to the basement. When she shone the flashlight on this, it too disappeared. When she looked back at the hanging plant, it was still swinging, and now she could see 3 small lights inside of the plant. She said she turned on an endtable lamp to verify herself to see if it was actually swinging back and forth.. This verified that it was indeed swinging back and forth as she checked to see if you could see it's shadow swinging back and forth, and it was. After this and still in the livingroom and on another table, she has an artificial plant which is the size of 2 footballs together end to end. She said when she looked at it, it was as small as a hockey puck and that she could fit it into the palm of her hand.
There was also, which i just remembered, another occurance in her bedroom before this and was about another 'person' dressed in gray, and had on a old time hat like my Grandfather used to wear.
All the occurances in her bedroom seem to 'LEAVE' through the bathroom off of her bedroom. Either over top of the shower or behind the bathroom door. Anyway, we are now around March 23, 2005. She has deceided to sleep with some pretty bright lights on. All has remained quiet. She came to my house here for Easter. She stayed at my Uncles house one night, and 2 nights at my Mothers house. All was quiet at both of these 2 places. She went back to her home on the morning of March 28, 2005. I talked to her on the phone last evening, and asked her if anything had changed in the house when she was gone. She said no. Nothing has changed. All remained the same. I talked to her about the light she had seen on her dresser, and suggested that she move the dresser, take the drawers out and look to see if my Grandfather had 'left' her anything in or around the dresser where she always see's this light. I suggested to her, and after reading on the internet, that maybe my Grandfather is trying to send her a message about something. Halfway through all this, she called her sister in British Columbia and told her, and she got her priest to call my Grandmother, as my Grandmother didn't want to tell her priest for fears of being ridiculed. (She is of Greek Orthodox faith)... This priest told her to not be afraid, and that what she is seeing is angels. I'm not so sure of this. The incident with the 'RED EYES' kinda bothers me.
Anyways, we come to last night. She is now back home as I have said and she told me last night that she is going to sleep with the lights off. I told her to call if anything happens. As 7am came around I didn't hear from her so I thought all was good. Guess not. At 7:20 she called me to tell me that something again had happened. It was a little bit later than 12:40 this time, she awoke to see as she said a 'BUNNY' on or at the same spot on her dresser as where the 'WASP NEST LIKE LIGHT' was witnessed. She said she also saw to Bunnies standing in the doorway of the bathroom which is just off of the bedroom. She said, with the lights off, she got up to touch the Bunny on the dresser, and she said it felt like 'WOOL'.. I then left with the other 2 Bunnies up over and behind the bathroom door.

So there you have it. My Mother, which is my Grandmothers Daughter, also told me today there was other things my Grandmother saw, something to do with the bottom of the closet doors looking and moving like material, when they are made out of wood. So here I am now emailing you. I don't know what to do or where I should turn. I don't want to put fear into my Grandmother, but when those RED EYES happened, I now worry for her. She lives 2 hours away from me, so I'm tempted to go there this weekend. But then what?? What suggestions do you have and what should I know before I go there? Again, I believe her 100%. None of this is make believe. I can tell. She isn't that type of person to have attention upon herself either. I'm not scared to go and stay there either, but then what??
I asked her about the Feb 23, 2005 date, and if it was something special to her and my Grandfather, and she said NO. Nothing she can remember. She has checked all around her dresser to see if my Grandfather had left her something, like maybe taped to the bottom of a drawer, but she has found nothing. And how come she only saw my Grandfather once, including face and bodily features, like the last day he was with her living in her house, and hasn't seen him again? And what do all these other apparations mean?? What should she do?? This is and everynight occurance, unless she leaves the lights on.

This went on for about 4 months and abruptly quit on June 21 or 22nd.
During this time she saw and witnessed numerous things.. most notably the 'white cotton candy like substance'.. When she went away, she noticed that only ocassionally she would witness 'something'..

Then, as I said, just as it started, it quit, and she NEVER saw anything for 4 months.. until this past Thursday evening/Friday morning.

On this night, my Grandmother was awake and watching TV, when it started for her again. On this evening, she witnessed the bedroom ceiling light 'hanging' on those same 'white candy floss threads'.. and then she saw a bird hanging on to it. She proceeded to stand on the bed to reach up and grab it or touch it, and it disappeared. She also witnessed the door way to the hall 'close in' and disappear, just as if there was no hallway.. this being the same hallway that she originally saw my Grandfather..She witnessed things again on Saturday night.. and this time, she said that she'd just close her eyes and fall asleep, but the little 10 watt night light 'lit up' the room, and then after this she tried again to just close her eyes, and then she 'felt' something, as if somthing had touched her..
So she opened her eyes, and saw a hand and an arm on the dresser..not moving, but just there.. Today is Monday the 31st of October, and we have yet to talk to her, but, even though that I know she is a strong woman, she is in need of some help.

sorry it's so long and winded.... but I need HELP... and this way, you know the whole story..
thanks

those ghosts must think yo grandma is sexy hahaha.

thats some freaky sh** though mi amigo, have ya gone over to her house yet and stayed the night

I have.. one night. This was in the time where she never saw anything.
I know.. wow what a story... but this is really happening.
And she is a bit scared as to what to do.
She doesn't like to say what she is seeing for fear that someone will relic her.
Again, she isn't a crazy woman, and has all her senses.. I just would like something...
Something that I could tell her so that she can get an idea as to why this is happening...
If you would like to talk, anyone, please let me know..
again, i thank you....

those dead offern have desire to see loved ones....and this makes a entity cross both time and space to see them... which is good, now when this happens once a entity enters a realm its opening a doorway of dimension thru which other unwelcome entity's, spirits enter... this is such a case. the red eye and weird happenings are unknown entity and dimensions distortions.. what are you doing? scared to stay there? you muster up courage and tackle this problem...try to convince Ur self and Ur grandma to believe you outcome any problem.
remember the FEAR is the KEY. if you get scared then its useless....if you don't then there is nothing which can harm you or your grandma(who appears fearless) and the will power plays important role too, the stronger your will the better. any questions!

try checking the land history if your grandfather was trying to tell her somthing it would most likly just be him and not others so check out the land you can find somthing about it on the internet. in what state and town dose she live in? there is also a post i have on this site that tells of hunted places in the world ill post a link below. it could be the house some one may have died in it check out the hisory of the house. about the red eyes i dont realy know what to say about that normaly spirits cant hurt you but they can touch you. if it is to the point ware its realy bad she can have a preist bless the house and tell the spirits to leave but dont piss them off. um there could be alot of energy in the house or around it talk to the people that live next door ask if they have seen any thing weird but other then that i dont know what to tell you. just look up that histery the advice my lie there. good luck.


heres that link
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=54197

go down to the 2nd post and click on dark nights post link ghoustbuster.

i hope that helps. if you have any more ? e mail me at brokenhearts@aggressive.com.

realy smart.

Hello and thanks for the responses.
So here is some more info.

My Grandmother lives in Yorkton Saskatchewan Canada.
She has had the house blessed. This is done every Easter, which was in April.
At this time though, was when there was nothing to witness.
She does have holy water in the house. I have told her to keep it by her bed.
What is so bothersome to me, is the fact that she thinks it's my Grandfather that is doing all of this stuff to her.. so i thank you dark knight for the info about the door now being opened.

As to the land history.. the house was built 12 years ago or so, and she has talked to the neighbours about who lived there, as when they bought the house it had been empty.. but it was only a banker that was transferred out that owned it.. nothing strange has happened there...

The night before last she saw the following... the same things in regards to the lamp in her bedroom... hanging on 'candy floss white strings'.. and the doorway to the bedroom.. she said it was like if you went to a material store... and you see a roll of big material... well the material was like on a big spool.. and it was getting bigger and bigger until the whole doorway was full.. then a hand came thru the material....
So what do these signs mean?? What can this be...and what suggestions does anyone have as to getting rid of these spirits??

Also, one question that I have is : why did it take a year and a half for my Grandfather to show himself, and then why did all the stuff quit after 4 months? and then start up again 4 months later??

I have suggested that all the things she is seeing is trying to tell her something. But what??
I know that she is a strong woman, but she is 77.. and I don't like to see her like this...

What could we do for her??

Again, I do appreciate all that is done here, and hope that any guidance I receive will help.

I know... what a wild story.. but this as i have written is all true... and my only worry is for the safety and strength of my Grandmother...

Again I thank you all...

Rob

hi rob and welcome to um
the portal has been opened. now what is to done is get help of experts and get some sort of RV cam or recorder setup. time as you mentioned isn't same as here' whats a year to you might be a second or month in other dimension. your grandma is no doubt a fearless woman and has strong will, which brings a point why haven't you spend time over there? its scary but you got to be strong. the portal shows a lot of unknowns trying to enter. get some expert help(Professional). prayers have helped your grandma so far, keep it up. any other questions.

So, I know that she isn't afraid, other than when she saw the Red Eyes....
I understand what you are saying about time..
Being her age, i will have a difficult time to explain to her what is exactly happening..
I will tell her what I have learned here, and maybe this weekend, I'll have to make a trip to her house... Can a person use a digital camera?? or camcorder??

So I guess my question is, will this ever quit?? When she was to visit, during her first bout with these episodes, she did see some things at my parents house..

Will this always follow her?? Will my Grandfather appear to her again??
And Will this end for her??

About the professionals.. where we are, and especially her community of about 17,000 people.. there just isn't anyone who looks into this sort of thing..

Thanks again....
I'm going to call her again this evening.

Any help on the questions I have.. would be great also...

Thanks again..

Rob

haha now I aint sure about the portal thingy, but whatever the deal is mi amigo it sounds like your doing fine for now my man.

I know and see the varied opinions on what to do...
But simply put, we really, all our family, just want this all to stop so that my
Grandmother can be at peace.

Hopefully there will be somewhat of a solution to this situation..

Anyone else with any ideas, please let me know..
thanks..

Rob

alrighty mi amigo do ya have any instant messenger screen names, if ya do chico just PM them ta me and Ill try to help ya sort this out. Sound coolio bean burrito

I like the idea of taking a camcorder, it'd be good to get some footage of what you're Grandmother has been describing.

A similar thing happened with my grandfather (my mum's father). He passed away in 2000 (just after the new year). The night he died I went to bed and sat on the stairs having a last ciggie before making sure everything was off (I don't smoke in the bedroom). When the phone call came to let us know I got up to go and get a drink, and noticed there was light coming from downstairs. Funny, I thought, everything was off... I asked my (then husband, now ex) if he'd got up in the night and he said no so I just shrugged it off and turned it all off and tried to forget about it.

On the day of my grandfather's funeral my mum told me she saw him standing behind the lectern (correct word?) while my grandmother was giving the eulogy. We both mentioned this to my aunty, and when my mum described what he was wearing my aunt went white as a ghost and started shakng. The clothes he was wearing were the same ones he'd died in. My mum never got to see him in his final moments as she lived 200 miles away and t was a very quick death, two days before he was fine and then he suddenly was admitted to hospital and died within hours, nobody had any warning. It made her feel less guilt at not being able to go and see him as he was smiling and she said she felt he was forgiving her for not being able to make it in time to see him.

good morning again..
to 'anything is possible'.. no i don't have a messanger name...
but i do have an email addy if you like.. please let me know...

Bebi... weird isn't it.... amazing as to how people will see things and witness things that they do... I just wish that this would stop so that my Grandmother would be at peace with everything...
Did your family ever see anything after this night? and if so, what did they do??

thanks....

Rob

Hi again Rob. No nothing happened afterwards, I think my grandfather just wanted my mum to know he didn't blame her for not being able to go and see him.

I have had some other experiences with a recurring spirit (I'll find the thread and post it here for you after this reply so you can have more detail) but he's harmless and has never done anything to scare me, just let himself be known. The worst experience I've had that was negative I actually moved house to get away from it (again it's in more detail in the link I'll add in)

See this thread...

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=54254

thanks for the read Bebi...

So, I would like to thank everyone that has helped me with the ideas and suggestions...
Bebi, so nothing else has happened to you since the first experience??

Last night my Mom talked to my Grandmother again, and she saw things again..
Again it was the light with the white candy floss... also in the ensuite bath off her bedroom, something was toying with the towels... back and forth and back and forth on the holder..
Also, the hallway, which seems to be where the most things occur, turned really dark, and she could faintly see 'someone' in the hallway.. and like always, when she gets up to get closer, it all disappears...
Also, she wanted me to know and to mention here, that this all occurs between 11pm and 1am...

What can we do to get this under control and eventually gone??
She also wants to know 'why her'?? But we have told her that other people experience these things..

Going back to the hallway, this is the original place where she first saw my Grandfather...
So, what is the purpose of all these things??

And does everything that she is seeing actually 'MEAN' something??

Again, I thank all for your help...
And if anyone wants to correspond thru emails, and not here... let me know...

thanks..

Rob

yeah give me your email and Ill email ya. Sound coolio

Hello,
This will sound coldly simple and un-understanding. Yet I truly believe that what your dear grandmother is experiencing is what alot, and I mean alot of people, very sane and normal people experience when a longterm loved one passes on. It called Grief Induced Hallucination. '
Thats the scientific, medical term for it anyway, I lost both a daughter and a mother in the last few years and have never seen or heard anything of them at all. I hear so many stories of this just like yours and I feel now that something must be wrong with me cause I dont see or hear my mom or daughter. I looked into this and found that it is not real in the here and now sense and is a mental symptom from extreme stress and loss and truama.
To see and hear or not is very individual, some do, others will never. I sure feel crazy with grief enough to see them and have asked them many times to come and let me know that they are ok. My mom died in a very loose ends , not so clear as to what happened way so I have often wished she would just appear in the kitchen so I could ask her what happened. Yet nothing.
Your grandmother is blessed to have seen your grandfather, even if it is mental misorganization, to her its real. I hope she feels more at peace soon and can get on to living without him, it must be awful for her. She has a great grandchild in you and your wanting to help is terrific. Hope you are not offended by this theory, its not meant to be mean. Bye

true that chunga, good info mi amigo

Chunga... thanks for the reply...
this is entirely possible.... and could very well be true...
But why then would she see my Grandfather only one time?? and how come she see's all these other weird things??? And, the weird things that she is seeing, you can google them, and will find some sort of explanation on them... All we know is that we want her well and strong, and want all of this to stop... She doesn't take any meds other than chloesteral pills.....
Any more ideas??

Thanks..
Rob

so whats your email address citrus my man

Well, I would say that I believe the weird stuff is different from what I described. I would think that your grandmother has truly suffered an extreme reaction to the loss of your grandfather that has left her shell shocked and like anyone who has experienced a big truama and it is an ongoing truama for she has to wake each day and live each day without him. They would be very out of sorts for quite some time, I would think this is normal. Its not easy to get through this tough stuff. She should be around people who love her and can sort of keep an eye on whats happening with her. Ask questions and never judge or make her feel like she cant share the weird stuff or she may clam up and you wont have a clue as to her mental health.
I guess a therapist who deals in grief and loss might be a good start, they know all about the things a greiving mind will do. It wont seem weird to them and they will have good advise for her and her family. Getting her to go and agree that something might not be right may be difficult. Depends on how she views the whole therapy subject. Hospice had a 6 meeting series for adults that lost their moms and it helped me alot, here Iam 42 and I couldnt get through the day with my mom gone. The meetings were free and I found out I wasnt the only one going through this stuff. It feels isolating and scarey.
Be patient, it can take one year hospice says to get over the initial shock period from losing a loved one, and If they were together a long time, it may take some time before your grandmother gets back to her old self again. This may change your grandmother even when she feels better later, she may not be exactly like she was, but we do change when life makes us adapt to new things and thats ok, she will still be grama and I hope you and her and your family get all the help you need with this, whatever you choose to do. Bye and I hope when Iam finaly a grandmother that my grandkids are awesome and caring like you.

hi rob,
your question will it quit? the answer is unknown. since it all started with ur grandfather and it opened a portal. portal opening, gateway to dimension or realms are very hard to close unless you are from the other side. what is needed is mirrors placed in right places to confuse the entity's entering or trying to enter(from unknown realms). and lights which senses motion in infra red(sounds costly).yes you can setup camcoder....will this follow your grandma. its very unlikely to follow your grandma, but it can happen(fact remains unknown).
professionals if unavailable....contact media(news) but word of caution they make it big(will be nation wide) and if you don't want that, get a priest and ask to draw the symbol of archangel Michael around house with prayers and holy-water.
as for question if your grandma is sane....many people wont believe unless they go thru it.
you done good so far rob. and tell your grandma, how strong she is .questions.

Not to be redundant and rude to others who feel that in their hearts this is a supernatural experience, but I would STRONGLY suggest once more that you and your mom consider Professional therapy, the sooner the better, because the mind is like a snowball in these situations and can get out of control fast.
Please consider all remedies and make the best choice, remember, this is your grandmother and someone who maybe cannot think too clearly at this time. She must rely on the responsible actions of her lovedones and friends now, thats you, please take this seriously and just find out the opinion of a doctor, I have similar experience with this sort of thing with a close relative and we didnt act quick enough and it became out of control and very hard to treat at that point , please dont wait too long, this is not a spooky game, its a mind that is not working correctly and she is suffering. Thanks and sorry if this is too forceful or bossy, I just think there are times when we have to get real and help those who maybe are off track and need a clear head .

just becos ppl believe its mental problem the old grandma should send to mental asylum.
right.(now that would great wont it?) the case is different from others, ppl confuse nightmare with sighting and this grandma has sightings in waking. if she was mentaly disturbed the family will know better then any one here sitting in front of pc.rob you take the right action and if grandma need a doc go for it. otherwise dont you send a sane person to asylam ! who would here take blame for sending a sane to doc and Diagnosed insane ...anyone? questions.

EXCUSE ME, but who the hell said anything about locking grandmother up in an insane asylum?????????????????
NOT ME THATS FOR SURE. I will state again with passion to you Rob, please I know you know the difference between a greif group that meets once a week for an hour and a lockdown in a nut house. Give me a break, does darkknight really feel so arcaic about the mental health industry that he thinks its really like they come and take you away and put you somewhere??? Just dont let the delusions ruin her life, and they can . Maybe talking to a counselor once a week would do, nothing drastic for gods sake. It is not normal what is going on with her. Help her and live happy. I will not write on this thread again Rob because of certain butinski's who misinterpret what Iam saying in an effort to help. Bye

Hi Rob. First, I'm very sorry for the loss of your grandfather. (And Chunga, for the loss of your mother and child!)

I'd like to interrupt this debate to point out that either of the possibilities you have been offered could be correct. Grief does cause some extreme reactions and is handled differently by different people. At the same time, there are some aspects of your grandmother's experience that don't conform to the theory of Grief Induced Hallucinations. For one thing, as Chunga says, the first year is the hardest, but you say your grandmother's experiences didn't begin until your grandfather had been dead for several years, right?

On the other hand, so much activity would be extreme for a supernatural occurence, but not unheard of. Also, the "candy floss" you mention could be a description of ectoplasm. You never hear much about ectoplasm anymore, but back in the early part of the nineteen hundreds a number of mediums claimed to produce ectoplasm at sittings and it was seriously studied by many different scientists and organizations. While some of the cases turned out to be faked with cheesecloth, there are some reports of ectoplasm appearing that have never been satisfactorily explained.

The fact is that none of us, sitting at home in front of our PCs, can tell you exactly what's happening. Having your grandmother talk to a grief counselor, if she's willing, would be one good step. Another would be to try to record and measure the phenomena she's experiencing. You can take a camera and/or a video recorder. Some other equipment you might consider are a tape recorder, a light meter, an electromagnetic field indicator (EMF) if you can afford one, or just a simple compass, and perhaps a light meter (like photographers use). If you'd like more specific advice on conducting an investigation PM me (the button at the bottom of my post) and give me your email address.

If this *is* a supernatural occurence it is outstanding for it's duration and variety. I wish I lived close enough to take part in the investigation myself.

some people hardy know how a 77 years old inner feelings to mental questioning about her
mental sanity would feel like.(if anyone questions yours...would you like it?) i have said it and I'm going to repeat the post again....take the RIGHT action if Ur grandma need a doc(not money making counselor) do so....help her and live happy....what do the other members wish for(same) EXCUSE ME....I DIDN'T START THE QUOTE...READ WHO DID WITH MY POSTINGS.
and who are you calling butinski?(maybe yourself).cos none of the other members butted in.

Ok im not sure on wether or not this is a good suggestion because it may make things worse or start something else and you need alot of research and knowledge before you start playing around with this stuff, but it doesn't seem like there is anyone else around to help being a small town and blessing the house isn't working so this is the only thing i can think of. Im scared to write this in case things don't work out for the better but maybe you or you can find someone with experience in this can perform a spell to banish these things haunting your grand mother. Or a protection spell or some sort of charm or crystal or something to hang in the doorway, try candles or protection symbols butfind something to protect her. When i was younger my bed use to shake all the time so i performed a simple spell i found and it has never shaken again. I dont no if this will work for you and i don't no if you will try it, i myself don't do it much because i feel i do not no enough to be playing with such powers but it worked for me although my problem was not as serious as this, and the last thing i want to do is suggest something that might make it worse for your grandmother but it's all i can think of. I do not think she is hullucinating this because why all of a sudden would she stop hullucinating and then start up again 4 months later, and if she is sent to see someone she may feel that she cannot even tell her own family about what she is going through because you think she is not fully there and therefore keep everything locked up inside her. Something is not write and as for the thing with red eyes, that is my worst fear. Why are they mainly coming from the bathroom, was it just built onto the room, is smething mayb buried under it, why do they always leave in the same place. Mayb this is where the doorway is. Can you somehow block this door to the otherside by hanging a charm or something there. I hope that you will be able to find a way to help your grandmother and wish you luck. But pls be careful.

that is good advice..
welcome to um babyg

Have you noticed. It doesn't take much of anything to piss her off. Lot of anger floating around.

Thank You for this evidence, I need it to prove my complaint that you are following my posts and harassing with direct offenses and not casual part of the thread posts.
Thanks again and beware son.

If you want to play that way I can bring up your post against my 5 year old .Sorry if you took offense at my post.

Well i dont think that this was put here for petty arguments, so if you wanna argue go and start up another place unless your gonna help grandma.

Holy cow.... sorry for all the arguments here...but i do appreciate all the help...
Had a long weekend.. was my little girls 3rd birthday... so was real busy...
Anyways..... My Mom talked to my Grandmother again on Sunday night... and my Grandma is fed up with everything.... She still sees the light on the candyfloss swinging in her bedroom... and now, and she is sure of this... she saw my Grandfather again....
Only the back of him, in the hallway.... with his pj's on, and wearing slippers... she also saw something 'run' out of her room, something red, that she saw my Grandpa kick at...
She didn't see his face... she talked and asked why he was here, and what she has done to deserve this.... and she said she got up and started towards him, but he disappeared....
She and all of the family are at wits end... I myself, believe that she is seeing 'something'....
whether it's there or not has to be determined... I think i'll go and see her this coming weekend....
But here's the thing... if anyone has any ability or knowledge of how to help her... she is more than willing to talk... so, that said, and the trust i have here in the um community, I would be willing to give her number, or get yours as so she could talk to someone...

I have emailed the Montel show, and have hopes of getting into contact with Sylvia Brown, but haven't yet heard back...

Again, what is happening here is real for her, whether it's grief driven is anybody's guess... but she needs some sort of help....

If anyone here has the ability or is willing to talk to her, please pm me... thanks...

thanks...

Rob

hello BabyG...
about the bathroom..... the only thing that my Grandma tells me about this spot which is off the hallway... this is where she last said my grandpa said something to her in the house before she came here to the hospital....
He told her that they had a beautiful home, and he knew he wouldn't see it again...

Rob

hi rob, no need to be....aint ur fault. and ur welcome.
not in same country or else would have seen this thru.
advice you to try contact better media but its up to your choice. please try to relocate your grandma.

Yeah i really think you need to get your grandma out of there asap. I don't think that your granddad has meant for this to happen because you say he tried to kick the red thing that ran past him, so i don't think that he intended for your grandma to go through this. I am sorry i cannot be of any help and i hope that someone will answer you that knows how to handle and make situations like this go away. It shouldn't have to be this hard to find the help you need especially when situations like this are so out of control and need attending to immediatley. Maybe you could ring up a radio station and ask people listening if they can help you. I wish you luck and hope that you do go and stay with your grandmother, because i suspect deep down she will be very afraid and alone. Is there anyone who could go and live with her?. OMG i just scared the living crap out of myself ok im going now, good luck argh i got the shivers.Write bak and tell us whats happening and how everything is.

Iam a bit confused by the lack of simple reason with all this. I say call your counties mental health office and they can direct you to a physician who treats elderly patients with dementia or greif or anything else it could be. At her age, we cannot rule out health issues in the cardiovascular area or brain health.

Alot of medical reasons could be causing this, it doesnt have to be a mental health problem.
Sorry you and yours must deal with this, yet thats family life.

Montel Williams?? Perhaps your whole outlook on how to manage this is not in the right place, just start at the basic medical level and go from there, Do most people call tv shows when their grandmother is ill?? Radio, whats going on here, I guess I dont get it. Iam middle class , caucasion and dont understand what the confusion over what to do is. Call a liscenced physician and get an appointment. Just do the boring and normal thing here, it might not get you on tv or alot of media attention, it will just help an elderly woman and isnt that the point?????

Although I do believe that there is something more going on than can be explained, I do agree about getting your grandma at least looked at by someone in the medical profession. Just to rule out a medical problem if nothing else

hello again....
so my Grandma talked to a priest in Manitoba about these problems...
Someone that she knows but isn't at her parrish...
He said some comforting things to her in regards to these sightings...
One thing is that he stressed is that these are all 'visions' and not whole people...
Whole as in the sense of living....
He also told her to get the house blessed again, as when it was done at Easter, she wasn't seeing these things.... She didn't want to call the Priest at her church for fear of ridicule...
also, she does know this one in Manitoba, and felt that she could talk to him...
He eased her mind, and is now feeling better... but all hasn't stopped...
I talked to her last night, and she said that she feels better... but still 'sees' the same things... mostly the bedroom light on 'candyfloss' swinging and with a 'bird' in it....
The priest also told her that all the animals that she has seen... from the bunnies, to the birds to the bears......all are in the bible....
I'm not much of a biblical person.... but i'm glad that she is at least at ease...
I'm still thinking of going to see her this weekend...

I'll keep you all informed....
Any other suggestions will help.....

Thanks..

Rob

Hi again Rob

Dude, stop thinking about going to see ya grandma this weekend and just get ya butt there. I'm glad your grandma is a bit at ease from talking to her priest friend and i don't no why she hasn't had the house blessed again since this started happening, it should of been the first thing done maybe. She doesn't need a reason to get her house blessed does she, so why can't she just tell her priest that she would just like to get it done, who knows being a priest he might actually feel something there without her even having to tell him. I don't think that your grandmother is imagining this and if she is and does need med help why did it take so long for things to start happening after your grandfather died, and by what you said she said when she first seen your granddad "pete what do you want, are you ok?, im ok" she sounds completley stable to me, but thats just my guess from reading this. Also a person seeing her dead husband of 3 years and telling him that she was ok, and was he ok doesn't sound like health issues at all. Your grandmother seems like a very sharp onto it lady. I hope that you do go and stay with her Rob, and i hope that you do see something so that you can put out of your mind and ours that it is not health related why these things are happening to your grandmother. Some people just need a scientific explaination for everything, and do not believe that things like this can actually happen to other people until they themselves experience it. She's old not insane, and just because she is old and seeing things it doesn't mean she has health issues.

Elder neglect is alive and well, sigh. Poke me with a fork, Iam done.

Lol, can we poke you with a spoon instead. Chunga i'm really suprised that you seriously think that this is a health issue. Who knows maybe it is but what im trying to say is that you seem to have had experiences before, so i don't think that you don't believe that this kind of thing can happen but what makes you think that it's a simple health problem and that she is not actually experiencing these awful things.

<< pokes

No, you need another 20 mins pmsfl

Hey Rob,
Hows it going, how is your grand ma. Have you gone to stay with her. I hope she's ok, let us no alright.

Hey BabyG... didn't go this weekend... had to work....
My mom talked to my Grandma last night... and it's pretty much the same thing...
The white 'candyfloss' and the light and now she saw a Moose's head... the head and the floss (with faces) come towards her, and then disappear at about 3 feet away....
She is quite a bit at ease now (since talking to the priest), but still wants to know why her??
What do you tell her??? I wish that I could have got my 'butt' there... but some things aren't always that easy..... The offer still stands with anyone who'd like to talk to her....
just send me a pm and then i'll forward you my email, and we could go from there....

All I have done, is tell her about this thread, and the responses I have got... I also, as well as my Mom has, told her that it is special for her to have seen Grandpa....

I know that she is ok with everything... and that she is 'used' to it.. as far as getting used to something like this.....
But what do you do??? There is nobody around here that specializes with these circumstances.....
And, even though the thought did cross my mind in regards to dimensia, I don't believe this..... you'd have to talk to her, and see what I mean about being in her 70's yet seems like she's 50.......

Again, the offer is there if someone would like to talk to her.....

I look forward to hearing from you.....




thanks again...

Rob

So... this still hasn't stopped for my Grandma....
She is still seeing alot of 'animals' now, usually around her dresser...
but the other night at 5am... she saw my Grandpa in the hallway again.. standing on something looking at or attempting to do something to the doorbell????

She got up and walked over to him, but as she approached, he disappeared....

I want to mention that all these things that she is seeing are all there, and not apparitions... means that she can not see thru them.....

I really wish that this would all just go away for her.....

Any help would be greatly appreciated...

Rob