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addle_essence
Astral Projection....
I want to here your take on it.
So what do you all think about it? What are your techniques? What do you see when you project? Do you think there is a connection between AP & lucid dreams?

greychupa
These are a lot of questions and not easely answered. I suggest you surf the web about the topic, there are so many good websites providing information.
I lost interest in AP, so i havent conciously projected in months..
addle_essence
I just wanted to know what everyone thought about the topic. I didn't notice if there was a thread already made.
AstralStar
Astral Projection is essentially your soul leaving your body and entering the Astral realm. A lot of people believe that you do it every night when you dream. Astral projection is just the controlled method of doing this. When you manage to AP, then in theory you can go anywhere you like. You just think about where you want to be and you'll find yourself there. But it's not easy. I've been trying to do it on and off for about three years, i've come close, but never actually managed it entirely.

But i do know some techniques. This one is supposed to be one of the easiest:
You need to completly relax. Do this by focusing on each part of your body in turn. Make sure you focus on your breathing, making it steady and slow. Once you're relaxed, make sure you stay completly still. You may feel the need to cough or to scratch, you may become uncomfortable and want to move. DON'T. You'll have to start again.

Essentially, what you are trying to do is enter a state where your body is asleep, but your mind is awake. So think about anything and everything. Eventually, you'll begin to lose awareness of your body. This is what you want to happen. When it does eventually happen, think about how nice it would be to leave your body. Feel yourself getting lighter and lighter. On every in breath, you are floating higher and further away from your body.

You may start to get these weird tingles through your body, and you may hear strange noises, but carry on it's nothing to worry about. Eventually, you'll kind of feel yourself seperate from your body, it's weird, (and the reason i've never got any further cos it freaks me out) It feels like your sitting up and just floating above your bed. Thats as far as my experience goes, but most things i have read on the subject, advise you to move away from your body before opening your eyes, as seeing your physical form will almost certainly jolt you back. From here on, you can do what you like. As long as you don't want to spy on people in the physical world, or enter anyone's home without permission. If you visit the Astral realm, look out for negative entities. Apparently you can tell if their bad by looking in their eyes.

I'm sure everyone else will have different thoeries and methods, but thats sort of what it's about, there are hundreds of ways to AP, you just have to find the way which works for you.

Apologies for the long post.
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addle_essence
QUOTE(AstralStar @ Nov 3 2005, 04:47 AM) [snapback]914381[/snapback]

But i do know some techniques. This one is supposed to be one of the easiest:
You need to completly relax. Do this by focusing on each part of your body in turn. Make sure you focus on your breathing, making it steady and slow. Once you're relaxed, make sure you stay completly still. You may feel the need to cough or to scratch, you may become uncomfortable and want to move. DON'T. You'll have to start again.

Essentially, what you are trying to do is enter a state where your body is asleep, but your mind is awake. So think about anything and everything. Eventually, you'll begin to lose awareness of your body. This is what you want to happen. When it does eventually happen, think about how nice it would be to leave your body. Feel yourself getting lighter and lighter. On every in breath, you are floating higher and further away from your body.

You may start to get these weird tingles through your body, and you may hear strange noises, but carry on it's nothing to worry about. Eventually, you'll kind of feel yourself seperate from your body, it's weird, (and the reason i've never got any further cos it freaks me out) It feels like your sitting up and just floating above your bed. Thats as far as my experience goes, but most things i have read on the subject, advise you to move away from your body before opening your eyes, as seeing your physical form will almost certainly jolt you back. From here on, you can do what you like. As long as you don't want to spy on people in the physical world, or enter anyone's home without permission. If you visit the Astral realm, look out for negative entities. Apparently you can tell if their bad by looking in their eyes........


I've followed the same method for about the same amount of time. I believe I was sucsessful once, but that over three years ago.. but I'm not sure if it was AP exactly. It was a very strange, freeing, freaky, unusual feeling. The best way I can describe it is as rushing through blackness. But I've never sucessfully completed an AP moment after that. I think the psychological thought of leaving the body causes my mind to abruptly end my efforts. Some sort of hidden doubt.
I still try though most nights... at the very least trying to acheive AP is a great meditation technique.
greychupa
Its not really your soul leaving, Its just you, your conciousness awakening in the astral dimension, or sometimes the etheric. You are always in the astral, you just cant see it when youre in your physical body.
addle_essence
QUOTE(greychupa @ Nov 4 2005, 06:48 AM) [snapback]915849[/snapback]

You are always in the astral, you just cant see it when youre in your physical body.


Hmm... interesting thought. It kinda sounds like a metaphor defining the subconscious.
What if that was the way it was?
Are the astral planes actually places outside of ourselves? Or are they just the inner layers within the mind? Or some sort of combination of both? ::insert twilight zone sound effects:: ^_~

You do you all think?
AstralStar
Well, as all tyou have to do to go somwhere is think about the place, it would be easily explained by being the inner layers of our mind. I certainly have difficulty imagining actually being seperate from my body. But whatever it is, people really seem to have some amazing experiences in the Astral realms.

Sayig that though, there are stories of experiments where someone has an agreement with a friend to enter the Astral world and visit the friend in their house while they are just doing normal everyday things. T
he person in the Astral was able to see what their friend was doing, and when they return to their body, or consious mind, were able to tell their friend exactly what they were doing and at what time. If your not leaving your body, what can the explanation be for this?
addle_essence
QUOTE(AstralStar @ Nov 5 2005, 04:59 AM) [snapback]917281[/snapback]

Well, as all tyou have to do to go somwhere is think about the place, it would be easily explained by being the inner layers of our mind. I certainly have difficulty imagining actually being seperate from my body. But whatever it is, people really seem to have some amazing experiences in the Astral realms.

Sayig that though, there are stories of experiments where someone has an agreement with a friend to enter the Astral world and visit the friend in their house while they are just doing normal everyday things. T
he person in the Astral was able to see what their friend was doing, and when they return to their body, or consious mind, were able to tell their friend exactly what they were doing and at what time. If your not leaving your body, what can the explanation be for this?


I believe that the soul can leave the body... but even if I believe it, I don't have any solid explanation for it.
However, for the sake of playing devils advocate... one explanation that I imagine for the scenario you gave is this... perhaps while projecting in the inner mind sense one can be more in tune with other abilities. In this case I would say it was remote viewing.
AstralStar
Yeah, i've heard of remote viewing, but if you can do it while Astral projection, then would'nt you be aware that you can do it anyway? Unless theres something about the deeply relaxed state of AP that sort of triggers these abilities. If so, then surely there are other "psycic skills" you could put to use?

Also, there is a school of thought which says that the soul is not affected by time or space, i agree with this in some extents, but if this is true, and if it is also true that your soul leaves your body during AP, then would it be possible to travel backwards and fowards in time? And if you were able to travel in to the future, and see something which then happens, would that prove that you can leave your body? Or would it be like your remote viewing idea? A kind of fortune telling?
addle_essence
QUOTE(AstralStar @ Nov 7 2005, 04:36 AM) [snapback]919887[/snapback]

....Unless theres something about the deeply relaxed state of AP that sort of triggers these abilities.

Also, there is a school of thought which says that the soul is not affected by time or space, i agree with this in some extents, but if this is true, and if it is also true that your soul leaves your body during AP, then would it be possible to travel backwards and fowards in time? And if you were able to travel in to the future, and see something which then happens, would that prove that you can leave your body? Or would it be like your remote viewing idea? A kind of fortune telling?


Exactly, for the argument I gave there would having to be something in being in the relaxed state that allows the energy to flow effortlessly.

Well remote viewing and fortune telling aren't the same. Remote viewing would be to sense something in real time, as it is happening. Telling the future is, well sensing the future. If the theory that the soul can travel throughout time and realm, I suppose of the two I would have to say it is seeing the future. But I'm not sure that is the best definition for it exactly, but I don't have a better one at the moment.

Great questions! You got me thinking ^ _^
Mr Walker
This is either no where near as complicated as it sounds ,or a hell of a lot more so. My opinion. There is definitely a link between lucid dreaming and astral projection. My reason a whole lifetime (55years) of experience. As a very young child I created my own dream worlds and lived adventures in them every night As a teenager the nature of the dreams changed but the experience did not. As an adult, more in charge of a very fulfilling and challenging real life, the experiences were fewer but still exciting. As a child I learned what I thought was just flying but later found was at times astral projection. After long training, I flew around the world at my Home towns latitude The experience is still vivid and I have never found the need to travel in real life. I flew along the nullarbour cliffs, past a cruise ship all lit up at night, over a fishing fleet looking for anchovies near Madagascar. I flew over dusty herds of animals on the African plains and through the falls on the Zambezi. On the way back I had a bit of a struggle over the Andes but the Pacific was peaceful and the statues on easter island facinating. One thing ,I was 7or eight years old at the time.TV was not available, and only later did I realise there was no way I could have experienced these scenes without flying over them.
I only realised this may have been astral projection when, as a young teenager, I listened in a dream to two teenage girls conversation, while hovering out side their bedroom window.I was young and stupid enough to relate the very interesting details of this conversation to the girls. Only the fact that my parents could absolutely verify that i was home asleep at the time saved me from a very nasty fate. Later in life i have heard conversations or observed scenes which have been independently verified while i was demonstrably miles, sometimes continents away. I can't explain, it but it sure is a fun way to spend your evenings
nycrican
QUOTE(Mr Walker @ Nov 9 2005, 07:26 PM) [snapback]924763[/snapback]

This is either no where near as complicated as it sounds ,or a hell of a lot more so. My opinion. There is definitely a link between lucid dreaming and astral projection. My reason a whole lifetime (55years) of experience. As a very young child I created my own dream worlds and lived adventures in them every night As a teenager the nature of the dreams changed but the experience did not. As an adult, more in charge of a very fulfilling and challenging real life, the experiences were fewer but still exciting. As a child I learned what I thought was just flying but later found was at times astral projection. After long training, I flew around the world at my Home towns latitude The experience is still vivid and I have never found the need to travel in real life. I flew along the nullarbour cliffs, past a cruise ship all lit up at night, over a fishing fleet looking for anchovies near Madagascar. I flew over dusty herds of animals on the African plains and through the falls on the Zambezi. On the way back I had a bit of a struggle over the Andes but the Pacific was peaceful and the statues on easter island facinating. One thing ,I was 7or eight years old at the time.TV was not available, and only later did I realise there was no way I could have experienced these scenes without flying over them.
I only realised this may have been astral projection when, as a young teenager, I listened in a dream to two teenage girls conversation, while hovering out side their bedroom window.I was young and stupid enough to relate the very interesting details of this conversation to the girls. Only the fact that my parents could absolutely verify that i was home asleep at the time saved me from a very nasty fate. Later in life i have heard conversations or observed scenes which have been independently verified while i was demonstrably miles, sometimes continents away. I can't explain, it but it sure is a fun way to spend your evenings


Hi Mr. Walker:

Wow, your experiences sound facinating. I had never looked into the topic of Astral Projection before, but I must say, that now I am intriged!!! I look forward to reading more of your personal stories involving Astral Projection.

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Kuahji
Astral projection is amazing & can be an amazing experience. To make things short, I believe in it & have done it. Here is the guide that really got me involved in astral projection http://www.realmagick.com/articles/98/998.html

It's the best free guide out there, roughly 30 pages long. Enjoy. It has everything you need to get started including techniques.
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