He did not want to suffer the humiliation of being caught, just like the rest of his officers in the bunker, they all committed suicide.

Hitler had very loyal followers that burned his body shortly after he committed suicide. A lot of Nazis also committed suicide, to avoid the shame of losing a war.

I agree definitive proof please. They would all say that he commited suicide, it is to obvious to me, an easy way out. other countries would say the same, because they wouldnt want the rest of the world to know that they hav'nt got a clue. NO! Scientific proof related to the TIME of death.

I thought I heard that Hitler had a decoy in a bunker and made everyone think thats him but instead he flew down to the south pole and went inside Earth with the Aryan Race. You know the whole "Hollow Earth" Theory. South Pole is the gate to Hell and North Pole cant be open to Garden of Eden because its hole was closed during the flood and became frozen. You would know all this if u went to echoes of enoch website. It said in the bible a second anti-christ (first being Napoleon heard it on History Channel) Hitler would go to the south pole and open the gate of hell and go inside of it. Hell being the place with the Aryan Race. Call me crazy go ahead I'm just bringing this up cause lots of sources say Hitler was the Second Anti-Christ and went back to hell with his Aryan Race.

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well dude just google it. Theres people on this forum who know more about it than me about the Theory. Heres the sites.

http://www.echoesofenoch.com/index.cfm?id=...rowse&pageid=46

http://www.echoesofenoch.com/index.cfm?id=...rowse&pageid=37

http://www.echoesofenoch.com/index.cfm?id=...rowse&pageid=47

If these dont help then like I said just google this topic "Hollow Earth Theory".

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a most interesting read, especially the bit about accelerating the human into the perfect state of evolution...i'm reading pg-46 ~ thanks for sharing..

& as far as my view about hitler surviving or not ~ no comment..

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I guess your right gandalf. No one will ever know what happened to Hitler exactly. Its just another mystery of mysteries. Btw NP for the links. Just thought I'd share them with you guys. Although I'd expected most people would know about this site but unfortunetly there are some who nvr heard of the echoes of enoch site buts its ok. Now Explore the Site!

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thats a new one.......

I can't show any definite evidence one way or another that Hitler died in the bunker but there is a growing amount of evidence that various SS officials faked their own suicides in order to escape justice. Probably the most notable two were Heinrich Himmler and 'Gestapo' Muller. I'll provide the links for two of the books available about the survival theories around these two:
The Strange Death of Heinrich Himmler: A Forensic Investigation

The Search for 'Gestapo' Muller

During the Fall of Germany quite a few Nazi officials did decide to commit suicide and I suspect that Hitler was probably one of them. There is a pretty substantial body of evidence that various Nazi officials wanted Hitler to relocate to the supposed 'Final Redoubt' in the Harz Mountains. This alleged Alpine fortress would have been a questionable locale for Hitler to seek sanctuary in but he stated to several of the survivors from the bunker that he would make his final stand in the bunker.

WOW...I have devoured literature on escaped and captured Nazi's, Nuremberg Nazi trials etc, but I had absolutely no idea whatsoever that there were any doubts about Hitler's suicide.

...the only anomaly I thought intriguing was the burning of His and Eva's bodies...


*Dumbstruck*

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thats a new one.......

Hmmm...well Hitler actually said that "my mission is to complete the work of christ"
what he meant by this is not known. And as far as I am aware Christ's mission on earth was to spread justice and mercy but Im sure there is some secret esoteric text long concealed by the vatican which proves that christ was sent to enslave half of mankind and wipe out the other half.

To me, it sounds like yet another propaganda ploy.

I just wanna meantion TWO things:
1) The russians claim to have a piece of Hitlers skull, where the bullet entered...
2) I haven't heard Hitler ever refering to Christ. This is because he had no belief in Christ nor in God (if I've understood thing correctly)...

It has been a popular conspiracy theory ever since the end of the war. From what I've read the Russians made a particularly thorough effort to be sure Hitler was dead but still questions have remained. There are some people who insist that he was somehow spirited away from the bunker before it was finally overrun.

Personally I don't think he was in any kind of physical condition to escape but a lot of his followers did escape. There is substantial evidence that the SS was thinking escape from early 1944 on. There are also a lot of people who contend that the various allied powers removed and protected various Nazi criminals in order to exploit their technical knowledge and intelligence assets.

Thank you for the info. As to him being 'spirited away,' I don't see how that could have been possible, I understood the allies to have pretty much cut off all avenues of escape...and I tend to agree with you, he would have been in no physical condition to attempt an escape.

It might have been possible for Hitler to have escaped Berlin. I don't believe it was likely that he would have escaped but when you consider the chaos and the resources the Nazi's still had available you can draw up quite a few escape 'what-ifs'. My personal favorite is a U-boat going to somewhere in South America. I know of at least two U-boats that did turn up scuttled on the coast of Argentina.

It only takes a bit of physical evidence and a lot of speculation and all sorts of theories will present themselves.

I guess that might be possible, but he'd have to evade all the allied troops encricling berlin

How can one man, so powerful in a country
just off himself? I mean it just seems far fetched
to me. Who knows though, he was living with demons.

Personally I think killing himself was the only way out because he would have been hunted down in order to kill him. I feel he was a true coward and that he had everyone do his dirty work for him. There are a lot of survivors that would have loved to see justice and I doubt he would allow himself to judged by impure people.

It would have been difficult; that's why I doubt it. The fact is quite a few other less recognisable SS officers and officials did manage to escape. There is a lot of evidence that many high ranking SS officers had plans in place to escape and probably carried them out.

Yes, but that was before the Soviets reached Berlin, Sector 1, 3 being the Government area.

Like I said, I doubt that Hitler got out of Berlin. The SS that wanted to escape got out long before the Russians fully enclosed the city.

I know this is from a little back, but...

Ideally one would want to talk about history from an objective view point, though good luck on finding one. My family is of Dutch descent and came to the United States during the second world war. Their view of Hitler is not a pleasant one. Obviously my mother, uncles, aunt, and grandparents have a colored view-point, but you'll be hard pressed to convince me that their opinion of Hitler shouldn't count because they "experienced" the effects of what he did. I know that people want to discuss history in an objective sense, as if it were a story, but be aware that the problem with that is people actually went through this and to tell them that they should just disregard their first-hand account is sort of ridiculous. Of course, that is only my opinion.

Objectivity would be great. It doesn't exist, though.

And Hitler wasn't that much of a genius... he failed.

It was actually more of brain washing 1/10 of Germany, and having better technology at the start. He sucked at both his jobs.

Hitler knew he had nothing elese to live for what would of happened to him if he let him self be caught and near the end of the war alot of his men started to relise that war was ending and that they were on the losing side which began a lot of mutany and insobordination (sorry for spelling).He would not have a lot of people to trust him or anywhere to go.I once herd a rumour that hitllers remains were found in a river near one of his compounds.

The Russians found some remains they believed to be those of Hitler outside the Fuhrer bunker. These have been widely accepted as Hitler's remains and fit the survivor accounts from the bunker. Now if somebody could just figure out what happened to Martin Bormann...

Guys I saw a discovery channel special a few years ago on these russian soldiers who were there when Hitler did and they claim that while they were doing clean up on the sight they found secret chamber that had collapsed during the final battle inside was a man who they believed was really Hitler he was dead but the body was intact and since it had already been reported he committed suicide they just went along with story. They been both looked like they had one foot in the grave which is why they were talking and there story does make a certain sense Hitler had may body doubles and if he was dead there was no reason to give nazi loyalist hope after all dead is dead.

And being a very good gambler; at least at the beginning. He didn't have that many more tanks or planes than Britain or France in 1939/40, and they weren't that much better; he just out-manuevered them psychologically.

Cool sig by the way.

If Hitler did not commit suicide, then he would be dead now. I believe anything is possible, however hopefully that SOB died back in '45

Technically, he did not kill himself....se had an SS officer shoot him.

Actually the most popularly accepted account of Hitler's death was that he retired into his personal bed chamber in the bunker along with Eva Braun. They were the only two people in the room and had an SS orderly posted outside the door. Both took cyanide capsules into the room but Hitler had stated reservations earlier about the effectiveness of the poison. Two gun shots were heard and shortly after this people entered the room and found Hitler in a small pool of blood.

this is not true. I have the evidence to prove that Hitler died of shock. Just minutes before the vile snarling salivating russian hordes smashed in the doors to the bunker der fuehrer asked eva braun if she would permit him to consummate their marriage. As they curled up on the fuehrer marital bed to engage in their conjugals der fuehrer discovered Eva was a man!
An SS officer standing outside the door heard der fuehrer scream "meine gott du ist und ladyboy shveinehund"!!!!!!!
That evidence is now on file deep within the Kremlin.

Yeah. right...

Did Hitler really kill himself?

In my opinion, Yes

http://www.benecke.com/bizmaghitler.pdf

http://www.benecke.com/bizmaghitler.html

The reports of Hitler's dentist, SS man Hugo Blaschke, a former US dental student who was arrested and questioned in 1945, and other witnesses show clearly that the teeth must indeed be the Fiihrer's. The details all correspond. For example, a massive piece of metal Click for .pdf file bridgework, which has survived remarkably undamaged, can also be seen on X-rays of Hitler's head from 1944, taken after Hitler complained of headaches following an assassination attempt.

Blaschke had told Hitler that he needed "something that would last" (he didn't, as it turned out). That's why he got such an ultra-strong structure. All features of the massive, bridge on the X-ray match the actual teeth.

The posted links state that the have found a piece of Hitlers skull showing an exit wound, also matched the teeth to X-Rays from 1944. Also one last note, do it matter if Hitler killed himself or if someone else did? No.

Thank you for the excellent information.

"He believed deeply in God. He called God the Almighty, master of all that is known and unknown.

Propagandists portrayed Hitler as an atheist. He was not. He had contempt for hypocritical and materialistic clerics, but he was not alone in that. He believed in the necessity of standards and theological dogmas, without which, he repeatedly said, the great institution of the Christian church would collapse. These dogmas clashed with his intelligence, but he also recognized that it was hard for the human mind to encompass all the problems of creation, its limitless scope and breathtaking beauty. He acknowledged that every human being has spiritual needs. "
according to http://www.motstand.org/hitler.html i also read on another site that at one time he actually wanted to be a monk


i also believe that he had to have killed himself, if he had gotten away he was too proud(or nuts not sure which) to have kept silent for any length of time....he would have tried in one way or another to start things over again whether using someone as his mouth piece or changing his looks in some way and using another name.

I don't make any rash judgements about whether Hitler killed himself way back when. You know why? Because the Russians are on record as stating they did have Hitler's body and that they didn't have Hitler's body. With how the Russians inflated the number of Jewish victims at the hands of Nazi death camps, it's logical to take anything the Russians say about Hitler with a grain of salt. Hitler had cried suicide during his earlier political setbacks, a couple times I believe, but never (too bad) went through with it. It was all theatrics. I think Hitler had a plan. That plan was dependent on making people think he killed himself. He had ample opportunity to get out of Berlin to the relative safety of his mountain fortress, but instead he chose to remain in Berlin in the underground bunker complex, thereby immediately making the world believe he was a captain going down with his ship. They don't see it as the Captain saluting the world, then dutifully retreating to the helm of his ship only to use his secret escape hatch directly over his little motorized escape boat-pod.
Trust me about this. Hitler didn't have the balls to kill himself. Hitler could have gotten out of Berlin to safety but didn't. He clearly had a plan, a plan in which people would believe he was dead (no 'wanted' posters for dead people, although you may be subject to some thumbs-up GI postmortem unit).

I don't know whats the fuss.

Hitler killed himself. Many SS officers can attest to that.

What would this grand plan of Hitler's be once he escaped? If he really DID have a post-bunker grand plan, it would have clearly been the result of insanity, which is likely what caused him to kill himself anyways. By the end he was a madman, as was Goebbels and co. It was over, his dream was shattered, he had no real escape. So he killed himself. Were I in his position and had such a devotion to the cause, I would have done the same.

I'm pretty sure he killed himself. Racist nazi coward pieces of sh*t usually commit suicide when faced with defeat & eventual justice.

Hitler was nothing but a coward & criminal who ceased power by being a great speaker & using racism to blame German's problems on the rest of the world.

A lot of people claim Hitler escaped to South America on a german U boat and was sighted several times in the German community in Argentina.

http://search.think-aboutit.com/omega/files/omega18.htm

http://coverups.com/hitler/visitors2.htm

i certainly think youre crazy, but crazy enough to go onto a genocidal killing spree...i don't think so...
yeah i'm pretty sure it's an open and closed case, he killed himself problem solved. course, those site links certainly instill confidence in their accuracy as they spell every other word wrong and have no grammer whatsoever. it sounds like a fourth grader got ahold of some conspiracy books, and a bit too much sugar...and then wrote those "theories"

I should clarify. I in no way support Hitler's actions, but if I were as devoted to a cause (not neccessarily Nazism) as he was and the enemy was closing in, I would much rather commit suicide than witness the collapse of everything I had worked for. In fact, I believe a lot of people would.

I'd say he killed himself either because he knew what would be in store for him when the allies captured him or he thought it would have been too much of a dishonor to allow them the satisfaction, maybe a bit of both. The chances of him having escaped are slim I think and anyway he didn't seem like the kind of guy who favoured a low profile.

Please list at least three of them please. And please don't say Goebbels or Bormann, unless you know for sure they are first hand witnesses.

Well... he DID indeed kill himself. He took some cyanide then shot himself... is... if you ask me... stupid... because that is wasteful.

He... however... had other baggage on his back.

Firstly... he had Parkinsons. Back then... it was a 100% death warrant... so that would probably piss em off.

Next... he went to some weird doctor, who gave him a crap load of shots of speed. It may be goos for a short while for speed and force, but in the long run, it is damaging to the body.
To support this, before 43, he used BOTH of his hands when making speeches. After then... he rarely used his left hand?
What relevance does this have? Very simple. Parkinson's is a disease of the BRAIN... mostly attacking the cerebrum, the center of movement. In a sense... he was doomed.