Guys, come on. I did this for months just to proove something and see if there was something else out there. Guys as far as I'm concerned a majority of this stuff you practice everyday is false. I was a big defender of psiballs, they're fake too. You CAN be fooled into believing natural things are paranormal. I'm sure their IS something out there greater than us. SOMETHING that is paranormal and is related to mind of matter, but things that take a lot of time to practice and develop. Like controlling pain levels, if you're hot or cold, certain martial arts techniques, etc. But this psiball, pyro, cyro, whatever you wanna call it kinesis is more than likely a load. I do believe in something more but just not this. You should follow my lead because it's just going to cause you a lot of time and effort that could be spent doing more constructive things. And for all of those that don't know me I did this for over half a year daily, so I DO know what I'm talking about and I can make a valid argument.

From your freindly neighborhood EMO
GhostDJR

Dude. I applaud you. You tested what you believe and came to a conclusion(even if it was not one you wanted). I can really appreciate your effort.

I'm glad you found this out at the age of 13 and not 20 cool, good on ya

Ghost! You're back!
And with a nice sig and avatar too

And good on ya for taking the time to prove a point.
*claps*

I'm not following what is going on? what are psiballs?

Last time I read something from you Ghost you were adament that PSI worked.

Now you say it doesn't, it's a bit confusing . What exactly changed your mind from positive to negative?

Well done Ghost.

I would say it's a negative to positive change of mind myself.

Maybe you just aren't good at it, or were doing everything wrong, Ghost.
I myself haven't successfully done anything (to my knowledge) related to Psi, however, I still trust its exictance(sorry for spelling). Ergo, you should to give it another shot, seriously

Ghost has been here since July. He has posted frequently on these boards, sometimes fiercely defending psi. I think you should be the one taking advise from him.

That's my point, "He has posted frequently on these boards, sometimes fiercely defending psi."

He's gone from a positive attitude saying it works to all of a sudden a negative one.

What exactly happened to change your mind Ghost?

And while I'm open minded to all psychic areas this one isn't a high point on my list so I'm not trying to defend it.

I'm glad you found piece of mind in your conclusion... and on that I totally commend you as well. But I'd have to say that I don't think anyone should "follow your lead".
If there is anything I believe in, its experience. The journey is the importance, not the destination. So if anyone out there still has a curious nature, I say go for it till you've found your own answers.

Chances are, he felt the blood rushing through his figertips, and from then on just wanted to believe it was magical....

I do it all the time with scary movies and such, I dread it so much, I go into a slightly paranoid state

So, he's been BS'ng you people all this time and now you congratulate him for basically admiting it? I've read his posts. And, he has not objectively looked at psychokinesis as others but is considering himself a pro and warning others not to give any thought on the subject. All I ask is that if any of you out there start posting topics about any kinesis is, don't BS the people on these boards and most of all, don't BS yourself. There can be a serious discussion about this topic. I just haven't seen it from anyone, including Ghost.

I really would like to know why it is in fact BS. So you did it for a half a year and that makes you a pro? You gave us no reason to believe anything you said. How does this make you any worse than the people who support and believe in psi? You're asking us to blindly follow someone who gave us no real reason to.

Okay, he didn't completely debunk psi, but hye debunked a lot of thought on this, and other websites, that psi is learnt over a few weeks.
If he couldn't do it in half a year, no-one should be able to.

Try 40+ actually....we did have people of that age that still were not convinved that it was all in their heads (if anything).

Ghost it was about time you saw some sense. Not because you are a non believer, but because you understand the importance of proof.

The time is takes to learn how to control and use any type of ability is different for everyone. And I personally would bet money that it takes a lot longer than half a year to develop such an ability that is in discussion. You only have the abc's to writing a novel in such little time. It takes years of studying and practice to develop an ability that involves such control of the mind, not a mere six months. In the long run six months is almost nothing... if a lifetime was a 24 hour period, six months would be less than 15 minutes.

When he was saying positive things about psy he had supporters everywhere. Now he changes his mind after experimentation shows nothing happens, and the supporters are his critics. Figures.

Not much of a debunk. Just because he thinks it's fake doesn't mean he wasn't actually controling psi to some extent. That would be like saying someone who doesn't believe in a soul doesn't have one.

I still demand a better explanation. Do it Ghost or I'll call you a bad name.

Well I can't speak for anyone else but... I haven't read many of the past postings by anyone (I'm pretty new to the forum), so the information that I based my comments on was what was presented in this topic. Regardless of what has been said, I still believe that six months isn't enough time to fully develop such abilities... sorry if it bursts bubbles but that's my opinion.

I think you could work a lifetime and never have any results. There is no hard proof that any such powers exist.

PSi exists. The key point is that once you have mastered it, you have also left this planet, and stopped posting in this forum. Because higher power only comes in another dimensions. All the people on this planet are contained in the same frequency range (dimension). So whenever someone attains superhuman powers he must be in another dimension already, which means we can't see him and he won't bother coming to us to show things. Superman exists but has left earth eons ago.

Of couse that earth's dimension range is not all that small, some people can attune a little to the fourth and fifth dimension and do some remote viewing and stuff.

Proof please. We need something more than belief.

If I had a proof then it's because I did see PSIops working. And if I really saw PSIOps then I would be a very enlightned person after that, someone that probably wouldn't be here posting, and even more, wouldn't be in this planet anymore.

Giants don't live among men.

I don't have a proof. It's pure belief. We can't do nothing about that. Only evolve and wait.

ericraven, you should know by my posts that I try to be fair to any side and that I don't support anything but a good constructive argument. Ghost may get some critics now, but isn't that what being skeptical is about. There's a difference between being a believer or non-believer and actually being a skeptic.

And for the evidence that psi exists, I'll post this link again and again. If you can come up with a better argument than Hyman against the results of Utts's paper, let me know.

Very true... but my logic leads me to believe that should such an ablilty be, the need to control the mind is so great, that a longer amount of time in practice is needed to be at a higher level.

Yes and this amount of time is certainly enough so you will never be at advantage over others. Once you learn PSIOps, everyone has learned it too. This is how mass consciousness operates. No escaping from that. We are one evolving body.

This is why these things live on. 20 people could objectively try to gain psi powers, and absolutely none of them would succeed, and instead of people accepting the truth they would tell them that they did it wrong.

What more do you need than proof?!

Hahaha great logical assertion. It's exactly this.

hi i have been practicing psi and psychokinesis for a while myself and i ahd some results but there is logical explainations behind them. I appoligize to ericraven2003 because i had a argument with him about all this stuff. I believe in paranormal and things that are msytic but magic powers theres no proof but i like to think there is something there.

hi Well people say theres no such things as paranormal and pyschic powers but i live in one of the most haunted places in the world its been on t.v n stuff. i have seen stuff and witnessed stuff that people who wernt there would say BS. i have seen pyschic powers been proformed and seen ghost and ufos (well what look like ufos) the place i live is were witch hunts took place and its were there is a devils chair and were the devil was surposed to have walked and been seen. There was also reports of a 7ft warewolf and that one was not long ago. To me it adds up but to others all thay say is proof. i will get proof one day and show that all things paranormal exist

Peace out
(pis is not real but Telekinesis is trust me )

Of course that TK is real. When you move your arm it's TK on its finest. Scientists have never decoded where the original electrical signal is originated. Of course that MIND creates matter.

gus i agree with you there is so much that hasent been proved about the body never mind what has been proved nothing is real its just understanding all this.

Wow, I've never put it in this way.

"There is no such thing as "real" or "unreal". Everything it's only a matter of understanding."

Nice thought friend.

Thank you friend

Ditto.

Lol what an incredibly silly statement. My hand is real, no matter how you understand it.

Yeah. Sure.

Nothing like a big dose of ego to brighten your day, huh?

Yeah.

Bob Hope had not enough
To fill an empty cup
He simply let it drain into the nowhere
Let it drain into...

your hand is not real for me because I've never seen it. that's how I understand it.

That's LIFE , bro...

suck my psi balls haha.

Nasty mouth.

Kiss my hair ass

You are just getting stupid now!

Come on guys. There are young children on this board. Watch your mouths.

Ok, there seems to be very little point to this thread at all. It has just evolved into meaningless chatter and flaming, so I shall now close this thread.