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dark fusion

Is it true that nothing is impossible just improbable?


The only way to state that nothing is impossible with any accuracy, or authority, would be if you knew everything.

If nothing were impossible, then it would be impossible for something to be impossible. If that sounds strange or complicated, look at it this way - - contradictions can create impossible circumstances. The very nature of a rule that makes all things possible, rules out anything being impossible, thus creating an impossiblity by its own existence. The term "impossible" means that something can't exist. If all things were possible then there "can't" be anything that is impossible, and that makes the statement impossible by contradiction.

A famous analogy is to ask a person who believes in God, "can God do everything?" If the answer is no, then there is something impossible for God. If the answer is yes, then inquire, "can God can make a rock." If the answer is no, then there is an impossiblity. If the answer is yes, then ask one more question, "can God build a rock bigger than he can lift. A "yes" answer means that God can not lift every rock (there's your impossibility). A "no" answer means that God can lift every rock, but it is impossible for God to make a rock bigger than he can lift. Either way, you have an impossible set of circumstances.

Guardsman Bass
Trying to prove something is impossible is trying to prove a negative - like trying to prove that Unicorns don't exist. It can't be done, because you can never conclusively eliminate the possibility that there is a unicorn out there, somewhere.

The most we can do is rule out things based on their extreme, extreme unlikeliness, and what we know about our world. For example, it is effectively impossible for me to survive for more than about 1 minute outside an airlock in open outer space without a space suit.
dark fusion
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For example, it is effectively impossible for me to survive for more than about 1 minute outside an airlock in open outer space without a space suit.



unless you can hold your breath for more than 1 minute

dark fusion



could the impossible become more possible if you put your mind to it?
gandalf2013
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HKCavalier
I think anyone who took the idea of God seriously as something other than a mere mathematical whatsit waiting to be disproved with a simple paradox, would have to rephrase the first statement:

Nothing is impossible within the mind of God.

All that can be is within the mind of God. God cannot create a rock which is outside the mind of God. God cannot create anything larger than God because God in this context is defined as creation itself, largeness itself.
gandalf2013
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Shivel
There are many things that are impossible. For instance:

Standing in the middle of a room, unmoving, and trying to touch a ceiling that is 20 feet above you with out any outside help.
dark fusion



im just getting confused blink.gif
dark fusion
QUOTE(JayMan895 @ Nov 6 2005, 09:32 PM) [snapback]919147[/snapback]

There are many things that are impossible. For instance:

Standing in the middle of a room, unmoving, and trying to touch a ceiling that is 20 feet above you with out any outside help.



true, but from what gandalf2013 said " I do believe everything is possible. We may be limited (for now) on what is possible and impossible." so maybe in the distant future we might be able to fly with out moving anything
dark fusion



maybe when we have made the impossibles possible there will be new impossibles that we will come across, like a never ending cycle.
HKCavalier
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A famous analogy is to ask a person who believes in God, "can God do everything?" If the answer is no, then there is something impossible for God. If the answer is yes, then inquire, "can God can make a rock." If the answer is no, then there is an impossiblity. If the answer is yes, then ask one more question, "can God build a rock bigger than he can lift. A "yes" answer means that God can not lift every rock (there's your impossibility). A "no" answer means that God can lift every rock, but it is impossible for God to make a rock bigger than he can lift. Either way, you have an impossible set of circumstances.

My apologies, Mithrandir, I was replying to this from Dark Fusion. I like your resolution of the paradox as well. thumbup.gif
QuantumE
QUOTE(dark fusion @ Nov 6 2005, 03:54 PM) [snapback]919109[/snapback]

unless you can hold your breath for more than 1 minute


You wouldnt die from lack of air, you would explode in a vaccum.
dark fusion
QUOTE(QuantumE @ Nov 6 2005, 09:41 PM) [snapback]919159[/snapback]

You wouldnt die from lack of air, you would explode in a vaccum.


i never even thought of that thumbsup.gif
Tornado
I don't believe that everything is possible.

Could you jump out of a plane at 14,000 ft, skydive onto a helicopter propeller lower down, be chopped up into 1 inch cubes, have your body fall and scatter across the ground and still live? ...


NO!
dark fusion
QUOTE(Tornado @ Nov 6 2005, 09:49 PM) [snapback]919166[/snapback]

I don't believe that everything is possible.

Could you jump out of a plane at 14,000 ft, skydive onto a helicopter propeller lower down, be chopped up into 1 inch cubes, have your body fall and scatter across the ground and still live? ...
NO!


sooner or later impossibles will become possible and then new impossibles will be discovered. for example, what you said is impossible but not what you think, i talking about being chopped into cubes. a helicopper propellers' shaped would not cut us up into cube so it is impossible however, you could see it as being possible to not get cut into cubes.

if you understand that.
Shivel
The point is these things are impossible now. So until these things become possible, there are impossibilities.
*_*
I think everything can be possible, but at this time we have many impossible things, actually the word 'impossible' isn't a correct word, cuz when things can be possible , you can't call them impossible........ wacko.gif i'm lost......
_Nyx_
Try dribbling a football...... tongue.gif
addle_essence
QUOTE(dark fusion @ Nov 6 2005, 05:02 PM) [snapback]919184[/snapback]

sooner or later impossibles will become possible and then new impossibles will be discovered....


Within the realm of time, I do believe nothing is impossible. Eventually things will evolve, be discovered, etc. Things change, and what once was will cease to be, and what was never thought of will be born.
Take the history of communication. Go back 1,000 years and ask someone what they thought about the idea of a cell phone. They'd probably tell you its impossible.
However when speaking about an individual they're are impossiblities, because there is no one person that can do everything, be everything, etc. etc.

If you really want to get philisophical, I would actually have to say this....
Everything and nothing is impossible and possible.
artymoon
QUOTE(dark fusion @ Nov 6 2005, 04:43 PM) [snapback]919161[/snapback]

i never even thought of that thumbsup.gif

Anything is possible
Eternal Light
QUOTE(Tornado @ Nov 6 2005, 09:49 PM) [snapback]919166[/snapback]

I don't believe that everything is possible.

Could you jump out of a plane at 14,000 ft, skydive onto a helicopter propeller lower down, be chopped up into 1 inch cubes, have your body fall and scatter across the ground and still live? ...
NO!


lol Oh ye of little faith...
luckycanucky
I want to credit Robert J. Sawyer for this, but really, I have no idea who really said it:

"Nothing is impossible."
I replied, "Have you ever tried skiing through a revolving door?"
zudo
you people are not correct. Time overlaps. Impossiblities are impossible, but impossible is possible for impossibilites are impossible.

Figure it out, it makes perfect sense.
shinyporpoise
Impossibility in the physical world: True
Impossibility in the mind: Untrue
Combined together: Possibilities...

God had created us in his image, which means a lot of things, but that could also mean that we could think like him if he granted us the knowledge. Remember, we are created out of God's mind, and in the mind nothing is impossible. So, everything comes from a mind. Nothing can be created without a mind, and that is why a tiny ant can exist and still create an anthill.

If I wanted to talk to a friend of mine, without walking sixty miles to get to him/her, how would I do it?
Simple: use a telephone or IM him/her.
Long ago most of us would have thought that impossible, except for our minds had let it happen.

If I wanted to walk through a swirling mass of chains and saws without getting touched or scratched, how would I do it?
Simple: wait for the future to come and a developed mind to create it grin2.gif
whoa182
Fly to the moon without a rocket or any other form of technology and then i'll believe that anything is possible.


where did you get the idea that anything is possible mellow.gif
dark fusion
QUOTE(LilaBurrows @ Nov 6 2005, 10:55 PM) [snapback]919253[/snapback]

Try dribbling a football......



english or american football tongue.gif
dark fusion
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Impossibility in the physical world: True
Impossibility in the mind: Untrue
Combined together: Possibilities...


this goes back to what i said... is it possible to make impossibles possible if you put your mind to it? are impossibles mentally possible? hmm.gif
darkknight
QUOTE(dark fusion @ Nov 6 2005, 09:32 PM) [snapback]919149[/snapback]

im just getting confused blink.gif


thats possible thumbsup.gif
QUOTE(dark fusion @ Nov 6 2005, 09:43 PM) [snapback]919161[/snapback]

i never even thought of that thumbsup.gif

thats impossible laugh.gif
*_*
Maybe it's true that nothing is impossible, but by the time we discover all those things the world will end, maybe that's the deal, maybe that is the secret of life unsure.gif
blackstar
Impossible = to live forever, Possible = to live forever.

To me the words, impossible and possible have the same meaning.
It's just the matter of fate, hope and believing.
dark fusion
QUOTE(darkknight @ Nov 7 2005, 08:37 AM) [snapback]919875[/snapback]

thats possible

thats impossible laugh.gif



rofl.gif clap.gif notworthy.gif

QUOTE(*_* @ Nov 7 2005, 02:03 PM) [snapback]920057[/snapback]

Maybe it's true that nothing is impossible, but by the time we discover all those things the world will end, maybe that's the deal, maybe that is the secret of life unsure.gif



maybe its not rofl.gif
*_*
I'm confused wacko.gif there is always Maybe this maybe that.........we need some prooooooof!!!!!! angry.gif rofl.gif
dark fusion


i have been thinking this question over and i have came up with this, hope it makes sense

"there are many impossibles in the world, some we havent even discovered yet and sooner or later all these impossibles will be made possible. however, where there is a possible there is a impossible. for example, "now it is possible to be able to drive a car, which means it is now impossible not to be able to drive a car.

i hope that helps rofl.gif
Guardsman Bass
Like I mentioned earlier, it is logically impossible to prove a negative statement. That's why, for example, the question "Prove to me that God doesn't exist" is a worthless one; someone can always claim God is hiding somewhere that we haven't looked at yet.

In other words, we can't prove anything is completely impossible. However, we can, by looking at our knowledge of physics and biology, and state authoritatively that some things are so unlikely that they are effectively impossible. Like my "in space without a spacesuit" example; the instant you go out the airlock, all the air in your lungs will blow out through your mouth, and you will quickly die of asphyxiation. Unlike popular myth, you will not explode, or instantly freeze, since it will take a long time for the heat on your body to simply radiate off of it.
dark fusion
QUOTE(Guardsman Bass @ Nov 7 2005, 06:52 PM) [snapback]920558[/snapback]

Like I mentioned earlier, it is logically impossible to prove a negative statement. That's why, for example, the question "Prove to me that God doesn't exist" is a worthless one; someone can always claim God is hiding somewhere that we haven't looked at yet.

In other words, we can't prove anything is completely impossible. However, we can, by looking at our knowledge of physics and biology, and state authoritatively that some things are so unlikely that they are effectively impossible. Like my "in space without a spacesuit" example; the instant you go out the airlock, all the air in your lungs will blow out through your mouth, and you will quickly die of asphyxiation. Unlike popular myth, you will not explode, or instantly freeze, since it will take a long time for the heat on your body to simply radiate off of it.



yes that does look really impossible, but only because of the technology we have today.

100s of years ago some of the simple things today may have looked impoosible.

if thats understandable rofl.gif
Guardsman Bass
QUOTE(dark fusion @ Nov 7 2005, 11:59 AM) [snapback]920578[/snapback]

yes that does look really impossible, but only because of the technology we have today.

100s of years ago some of the simple things today may have looked impoosible.

if thats understandable rofl.gif


There's quite a difference between something being 'impossible' because no one has any idea how to develop a device to do it, and 'impossible' because it goes against all known laws of physics and biology.
dark fusion
QUOTE(Guardsman Bass @ Nov 7 2005, 07:04 PM) [snapback]920594[/snapback]

There's quite a difference between something being 'impossible' because no one has any idea how to develop a device to do it, and 'impossible' because it goes against all known laws of physics and biology.



so, is everthing mentally possible?
Milo
QUOTE(dark fusion @ Nov 7 2005, 03:12 PM) [snapback]920848[/snapback]

so, is everthing mentally possible?


Using imagination?, yes.

If you mean ‘parapsychology’. Like Extra-sensory perception (ESP) also known as anomalous cognition, that includes telepathy, clairvoyance, clairaudience, clairalience, clairgustance, clairsentience, precognition, postcognition, psychometry, and dream transferrance.

Or anomalous operation that includes psychokinesis (in the past referred to as telekinesis), out-of-body experiences, astral projection, near-death experiences, mediumship, and reincarnation.

Then I think, not...

Scientists treat all claims with scientific skepticism. After examining psi claims for over a century, there has been significant difficulty in merging the results of parapsychology studies with other fields of science.

As a result, many in the scientific community think that parapsychology is not a real science, that psi phenomena do not exist, and that parapsychology is a pseudoscience.

Many scientists and skeptical observers of the field believe that some parapsychologists knowingly commit fraud; that some are incompetent; and that some are naive and therefore easily deceived by fraudulent participants; or perhaps some combination of the above.

The magician, James Randi, has offered a prize of one million dollars to anyone who is able to show evidence of any paranormal power or event (under test conditions agreed to by both parties). As of 2005, no successful claims have been made against this money.

Parapsychology

I hope this helps...
dark fusion

impossibles will become possible, but there will always be atleast one thing impossible hmm.gif
Milo
QUOTE(dark fusion @ Nov 7 2005, 03:42 PM) [snapback]920915[/snapback]

impossibles will become possible, but there will always be atleast one thing impossible hmm.gif


Perhaps we should stop classifying things as IMPOSSIBLE. That something is UNLIKELY, might be better...

impossible >adjective, not able to occur, exist, or be done.
unlikely >adjective, not likely; improbable.

IMO
Tornado
QUOTE(dark fusion @ Nov 6 2005, 10:02 PM) [snapback]919184[/snapback]

sooner or later impossibles will become possible and then new impossibles will be discovered. for example, what you said is impossible but not what you think, i talking about being chopped into cubes. a helicopper propellers' shaped would not cut us up into cube so it is impossible however, you could see it as being possible to not get cut into cubes.

if you understand that.

Eh please! Even if it's not going to chop you into "cubes", it will still slice through you more than once.

You would not live through it! Don't forget the fall to the ground afterwards.

Jeez! blink.gif
dark fusion
QUOTE(Milo @ Nov 7 2005, 09:53 PM) [snapback]920935[/snapback]

Perhaps we should stop classifying things as IMPOSSIBLE. That something is UNLIKELY, might be better...

impossible >adjective, not able to occur, exist, or be done.
unlikely >adjective, not likely; improbable.

IMO



when i first posted this i put this in my post!

"Is it true that nothing is impossible just improbable?"

so that just takes us back to the start laugh.gif

QUOTE(Tornado @ Nov 7 2005, 10:08 PM) [snapback]920975[/snapback]

Eh please! Even if it's not going to chop you into "cubes", it will still slice through you more than once.

You would not live through it! Don't forget the fall to the ground afterwards.

Jeez! blink.gif



try reading everything laugh.gif
Tornado
QUOTE(whoa182 @ Nov 7 2005, 07:21 AM) [snapback]919807[/snapback]

Fly to the moon without a rocket or any other form of technology and then i'll believe that anything is possible.
where did you get the idea that anything is possible mellow.gif

^ Wish I'd thought of that one! yes.gif
dark fusion
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Fly to the moon without a rocket or any other form of technology


no one would be stupid enough to do that, so it is impossible, oh i mean unlikely(sorry milo) for any one to do that. tongue.gif
Tornado
QUOTE(dark fusion @ Nov 7 2005, 09:42 PM) [snapback]920915[/snapback]

impossibles will become possible, but there will always be atleast one thing impossible hmm.gif

So NOT everything is possible. If there is always going to be at least one thing that's impossible, you've just answered your own question.




EDIT: I did read everything, but I was talking about the scenario as a WHOLE. Not just the helicopter propeller.
Tornado
QUOTE(dark fusion @ Nov 7 2005, 10:18 PM) [snapback]920999[/snapback]

no one would be stupid enough to do that, so it is impossible, oh i mean unlikely(sorry milo) for any one to do that. tongue.gif

Whether somebody is "stupid enough to try it" or not, you say that EVERY impossibility will become possible. So why is this unlikely?

You didn't have one of your 'smart-arse' answers for that one, did you?! tongue.gif

Whoa182 caught you out? laugh.gif
dark fusion
QUOTE(Tornado @ Nov 7 2005, 10:21 PM) [snapback]921008[/snapback]

So NOT everything is possible. If there is always going to be at least one thing that's impossible, you've just answered your own question.



yes, it took time to think about but that is my conclusion. grin2.gif

everyone is still welcome with their own views. rofl.gif
dark fusion
QUOTE(Tornado @ Nov 7 2005, 10:29 PM) [snapback]921022[/snapback]

Whether somebody is "stupid enough to try it" or not, you say that EVERY impossibility will become possible. So why is this unlikely?

You didn't have one of your 'smart-arse' answers for that one, did you?! tongue.gif

Whoa182 caught you out? laugh.gif



that was not my answer, milo said to look at impossible as unlikely tongue.gif
Tornado
QUOTE(dark fusion @ Nov 7 2005, 10:29 PM) [snapback]921023[/snapback]

yes, it took time to think about but that is my conclusion. grin2.gif

everyone is still welcome with their own views. rofl.gif

Lmao! thumbsup.gif original.gif
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