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Xzenox
The base of our brain is Reptilian....
We still dont actually know how the dinosaurs died soo maybe im thinking they never died they just evolved into us could this be possible???
Ancient World Wonders
QUOTE(Xzenox @ Nov 7 2005, 04:22 PM) [snapback]920866[/snapback]

The base of our brain is Reptilian....
We still dont actually know how the dinosaurs died soo maybe im thinking they never died they just evolved into us could this be possible???


Women perhaps, but not men. Women are cold-blooded and vicious on occasion. Trust me, I know...


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But seriously, I don't think so. But who knows what lies in our DNA? Dorment DNA could be reptilian.
DarkLordOfHELL
reptiles and mammels have a common ancestor, if yo ufoolow the evolution side of the argument, then that explains why the most primitive part of our brain is there. also given that this region of the brain is the first to develop during pregnancy shows that we share a common ancestor with the reptiles.
Guardsman Bass
Mammals, of a sort, already existed by the time dinosaurs first appeared in the Triassic period. They have a common ancestor, but dinosaurs did not and could not evolve into humans.
darkknight
QUOTE(Guardsman Bass @ Nov 8 2005, 03:38 PM) [snapback]921967[/snapback]

Mammals, of a sort, already existed by the time dinosaurs first appeared in the Triassic period. They have a common ancestor, but dinosaurs did not and could not evolve into humans.

good point thumbsup.gif aside from common ancestor' there is nothing to back your theory up.
user26071
Well Mammals evolved from Reptiles, and realistically it makes no sense that all dinosaurs are called dinosaurs...there reptiles. oo; The only reason we named them dinosaurs was the fact that we were grouping them all by the fact that they were all ancient species of reptiles, so we just called them dinosaurs. O-o; I hope I explained that well... x.x
Funi
"Dinosaur's Evolved Into Humans" that was a big mistake... Poor Earth sad.gif
Yelekiah
Is there anything else to add? I don't see how that was possible.
Xzenox
Ya I did not know if this would be possible... No Harm in Testing the theory though. grin2.gif
TheGreatWhiteHorse
The "Reptilian" brain is merely a term used by clinical psychologists when refering to the "Old Brain", or as Freud understood it, your unconscious desire-drive. It is the small part at the base of your brain where it meets the spineal cord, surrounded by the evolutionarily younger mass called the new brain...you know...neo cortex. It is called reptilian because it functions much like an ancient animal brain, all self-driving, carnal instinct. When you are horny, it is this brain that tells you to copulate, when hungry, to eat and etc.


This part of the brain is in no way biologically reptilian. I highly suggest discovering why something is termed the way it is before drawing conclusions, as the arguments you come up with will otherwise be absurdities.

It was early mammalian life, such as subterranean rodents, etc. that evolved into humans post-extinction.
Xzenox
QUOTE(TheGreatWhiteHorse @ Nov 8 2005, 11:56 AM) [snapback]922254[/snapback]

The "Reptilian" brain is merely a term used by clinical psychologists when refering to the "Old Brain", or as Freud understood it, your unconscious desire-drive. It is the small part at the base of your brain where it meets the spineal cord, surrounded by the evolutionarily younger mass called the new brain...you know...neo cortex. It is called reptilian because it functions much like an ancient animal brain, all self-driving, carnal instinct. When you are horny, it is this brain that tells you to copulate, when hungry, to eat and etc.
This part of the brain is in no way biologically reptilian. I highly suggest discovering why something is termed the way it is before drawing conclusions, as the arguments you come up with will otherwise be absurdities.

This dashes into bits any idea that dinosaurs and humans share ancestry or a common reptile brain. It was early mammalian life, such as subterranean rodents, etc. that evolved inot humans post-extinction.


I have never studied into this crap so I dont know much just a theory gosh. w00t.gif
TheGreatWhiteHorse
QUOTE(Xzenox @ Nov 8 2005, 01:57 PM) [snapback]922259[/snapback]

I have never studied into this crap so I dont know much just a theory gosh. w00t.gif


Thats my point.

knowing is half the battle. You asked if it is possible. It is not.
BigDaddy_GFS
What would Lacerta, the subterranean reptiloid woman say?
I suppose common ancestry supports the idea.
Raptor
QUOTE(Kacen @ Nov 8 2005, 03:58 PM) [snapback]921988[/snapback]

Well Mammals evolved from Reptiles, and realistically it makes no sense that all dinosaurs are called dinosaurs...there reptiles. oo; The only reason we named them dinosaurs was the fact that we were grouping them all by the fact that they were all ancient species of reptiles, so we just called them dinosaurs. O-o; I hope I explained that well... x.x


I'm almost positive that mammals didn't evolve from reptiles, but I could be wrong.

Also, Dinosaurs weren't reptiles.
Ancient World Wonders
QUOTE(DarkLordOfHELL @ Nov 8 2005, 03:01 AM) [snapback]921663[/snapback]

reptiles and mammels have a common ancestor, if yo ufoolow the evolution side of the argument, then that explains why the most primitive part of our brain is there. also given that this region of the brain is the first to develop during pregnancy shows that we share a common ancestor with the reptiles.


It might also explain our healing process. Some reptiles are known to grow back limbs when they are cut from their bodies. We can't regrow limbs ourselves, but skin is said to be an entity of its own making--and it's alive, grows and heals--it even breathes.
TheGreatWhiteHorse
did neither of you read my post? I outlined...in great detail...what "reptile brain" means and that we have no biological link to dinosaurs!

Sheesh. It was only three posts ago.
MichaelS
When speaking upon a "scientific" concept- one must always checkt to make sure they understand the terminology being used.

As GWH pointed out, the "reptillian" brain is only a term used to describe the sort of thought processes that occur at the very basic level of thought. Reptiles run pretty much solely on need- need for heat, need for food, need for making more little reptiles.

It refers the raw instinct we feel at times. It does NOT refer to any genetic or biological connection to reptiles.

Dinosaurs were not reptiles as evidence now points out. Findings have pointed to the very strong connection that dinosaurs were actually avian in nature.

"Common Ancestry" is not evidence that humans evolved from reptiles. It simply states that when one goes back to the very beginning, everything came from the same type of single cell organism. From there evolution then branched off.

As for this just being a theory... may I suggest you actually do some more research into such topics before proposing any other far-fetched theories. After all, theories must have some claim to plausibility, in addition to justifying evidence to support such a theory.

Simply seeing a phrase without looking deeper into the context and substance behind it does not make a theory valid for discussion.
snuffypuffer
QUOTE(BigDaddy_GFS @ Nov 8 2005, 07:14 PM) [snapback]922306[/snapback]

What would Lacerta, the subterranean reptiloid woman say?
I suppose common ancestry supports the idea.


She's say it's a (ohmy.gif you can't say that on a family forum!) crazy idea, too. And then she'd catch a fly with her tongue. yes.gif
DarkLordOfHELL
i never said we evolved from dinos only that both have a common ancestor, one went the way of giant creatures the other, much later in time when the big beasties were gone became us and every other mammal we see today.
Guardsman Bass
QUOTE(darkknight @ Nov 8 2005, 08:47 AM) [snapback]921977[/snapback]

good point thumbsup.gif aside from common ancestor' there is nothing to back your theory up.


Oh really? Scientists have found fossils of the predecessors of mammals, and the fossils of small mammals that existed in the middle Triassic period. See for yourself, here.
Seraphina
To the best of my knowledge, mammals didn't evolve from dinosaurs, but rather evolved at the same time (certainly there were mammals around in the cretacious period...perhaps in the jurrassic also, but I doubt as early as the triassic). It just happens that, as dinosaurs evolved in one direction, other groups of creatures evolved in another. Although it wasn't until the dinosaurs were out of the way that there were any mammals around larger than a mouse tongue.gif
Guardsman Bass
QUOTE(Seraphina @ Nov 15 2005, 04:15 PM) [snapback]933842[/snapback]

To the best of my knowledge, mammals didn't evolve from dinosaurs, but rather evolved at the same time (certainly there were mammals around in the cretacious period...perhaps in the jurrassic also, but I doubt as early as the triassic). It just happens that, as dinosaurs evolved in one direction, other groups of creatures evolved in another. Although it wasn't until the dinosaurs were out of the way that there were any mammals around larger than a mouse tongue.gif


That's exactly what I was saying, as well.
TheGreatWhiteHorse
QUOTE(Guardsman Bass @ Nov 16 2005, 12:59 PM) [snapback]934977[/snapback]

That's exactly what I was saying, as well.


Thats what I was saying even earlier than you were saying it. mellow.gif
Hehe
w00t.gif And evolution isnt a philosophy
TheGreatWhiteHorse
QUOTE(Hehe @ Nov 16 2005, 02:54 PM) [snapback]935121[/snapback]

w00t.gif And evolution isnt a philosophy



I dont recall anyone saying that it IS. hmm.gif
fantazum
QUOTE(Atlantis Rises @ Nov 7 2005, 09:41 PM) [snapback]920911[/snapback]

Women perhaps, but not men. Women are cold-blooded and vicious on occasion. Trust me, I know...
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But seriously, I don't think so. But who knows what lies in our DNA? Dorment DNA could be reptilian.



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QUOTE(TheGreatWhiteHorse @ Nov 17 2005, 12:48 AM) [snapback]935600[/snapback]

I dont recall anyone saying that it IS. hmm.gif

no.gif Some parts of the "theory" damn well should be. Get it now? rolleyes.gif
Seraphina
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Some parts of the "theory" damn well should be. Get it now?


Care to explain to us which parts those are?
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QUOTE(Seraphina @ Nov 17 2005, 03:07 PM) [snapback]936317[/snapback]

Care to explain to us which parts those are?

The parts which arent liable to be falsified by data.
The parts which cannot be tested by observation and experiment.
Try and give me few examples im sure you can do it.

Wait how about "The origin of species".
Essan
Dinosaurs were far to intelligent to evolve into a dumb creature like a human ..... unsure.gif

But I do rather rather suspect that some of them evolved into my Christmas Dinner tongue.gif grin2.gif
Byuu94
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To the best of my knowledge, mammals didn't evolve from dinosaurs, but rather evolved at the same time (certainly there were mammals around in the cretacious period...perhaps in the jurrassic also, but I doubt as early as the triassic). It just happens that, as dinosaurs evolved in one direction, other groups of creatures evolved in another. Although it wasn't until the dinosaurs were out of the way that there were any mammals around larger than a mouse


There were reptiles(Cynodonts) that heavily resembled dogs in the triassic.

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The cynodonts, or 'dog teeth', were the most successful and one of the most diverse groups of therapsids. Their Late Permian and Triassic evolutionary radiation included such forms as the large, carnivorous cynognathids, equally large herbivorous traversodonts, and the small and extremely mammal-like tritylodontids and trithelodonts. The trithelodonts (ictidosaurs) are almost certainly close to the direct ancestry of the Mammalia. The extremely mammal-like structure of cynodonts has been known for nearly a century, but only within recent years have we learned enough about them and about the very early mammals to say with confidence that all mammals are indeed descended from a single group of cynodonts

Even the earliest cynodonts, the Procynosuchidae of the Late Permian, show many advanced mammalian characteristics, such as a reduced number of bones in the lower jaw, a secondary bony palate and a complex pattern of the crowns of their cheek teeth. It is likely that Cynodonts were at least partially if not completely warm-blooded, covered with hair, which would have insulated them and helped to maintain a high body temperature.

By Early Triassic times, cynodonts had diverged into large predaceous carnivores such as Cynognathus and moderate large omnivorous and herbivorous types such as Trirachodon and Diademodon. The Middle Triassic saw a major radiation of herbivorous forms included in the family Traversodontidae. From this family evolved the highly specialized and extremely mammal-like Tritylodontidae of the Late Triassic to Middle Jurassic, the "rodents" of the early Mesozoic and culmination of the herbivorous cynodont radiation. At the same time, the descendents of Cynognathus evolved into medium-sized to small carnivorous and insectivorous forms. It is interesting that as the archosaurian reptiles were becoming larger, the cynodonts became smaller, perhaps nocturnal. The hot arid Triassic conditions favored the ectothermic reptilian metabolism of the archosaurs over the warm-blooded mammalian organization of the cynodonts. (In his Dinosaur Heresies, Bob Bakker has clamed that even the early thecodont archosaurs like Erythosuchus were warm-blooded, and out-competed the cynodonts for this reason, but this position is almost never held nowadays


Found that here:http://www.palaeos.com/Vertebrates/Units/4...ia/410.000.html
Guardsman Bass
QUOTE(Hehe @ Nov 17 2005, 08:32 AM) [snapback]936354[/snapback]

The parts which arent liable to be falsified by data.
The parts which cannot be tested by observation and experiment.
Try and give me few examples im sure you can do it.

Wait how about "The origin of species".


Once again, I make the referral for good explanations on Evolution: Talk Origins
Hehe
QUOTE(Guardsman Bass @ Nov 17 2005, 07:46 PM) [snapback]936765[/snapback]

Once again, I make the referral for good explanations on Evolution: Talk Origins

Hey here is a site for you. Already read most af what talkorigins had to say. Just dicovered this site. gl hf
True Origins
Guardsman Bass
QUOTE(Hehe @ Nov 17 2005, 01:14 PM) [snapback]936823[/snapback]

Hey here is a site for you. Already read most af what talkorigins had to say. Just dicovered this site. gl hf
True Origins


The 'True Origins' site is a massive demonstration of creationist folly. Just look at the Thermodynamics Page, which claims to be an answer to the Talk Origins arguments. The True Origins argument, however, does nothing of the sort; it simply repeats the traditional argument, "The Second Law does not allow for new order to come in," without addressing the fact that while overall, entropy increases, entropy can decrease in a local area, as long as it increases somewhere else. They then go on to say that evolution 'predicts' that order increases over the age of the universe, when it does nothing of the sort.

That's not to mention the almost continuous action of creating a Strawman form of Evolution to knock down. Or the fact that the page on why creationism is a legitimate theory confuses naturalism in methodology with naturalism as a worldview; they then go on to avoid answering how a belief which relies on unprovable supernatural interventions can be scientifically tested, making them dishonest as well.
FrothyDog
ooohhhhh that page bothers me so much. their geology information is just plain wrong. if granite can be cooled quickly becuase of water, it doesn't make granite. it makes rhyolite. and a million other things. grrrrr...

and any questions about evolution not fitting the second law of thermodynamics can be easily answered by the simple fact that earth is not a closed system.
kitco
QUOTE(Xzenox @ Nov 7 2005, 01:22 PM) [snapback]920866[/snapback]

The base of our brain is Reptilian....
We still dont actually know how the dinosaurs died soo maybe im thinking they never died they just evolved into us could this be possible???

that theory cant be right we were put here by god-ADAM AND EVE-

hahahahaheheheahahaha.................just joking that sounds like more bs than your theorie lets rewrite the bible hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahehehehehehhahahahaha
humans are weird and so am i!
TheGreatWhiteHorse
This is insane.

This topic started with a flawed, uneducated statement by someone who heard a psychological/physiological term and took it literally. There was no research, and now it has gotten to a discussion of evolution v. creation.

Evolution has scientific FACT to back it. Creation has the belief of a group of people. If we are to teach creation than we must teach ALL creation theories from Sumer/Mesopotamia on down to modern day Hinduism and so on. They are all equally valid in that there is no proof whatsoever to validate any of them.
Hehe
QUOTE(TheGreatWhiteHorse @ Nov 22 2005, 06:33 AM) [snapback]943524[/snapback]

This is insane.

This topic started with a flawed, uneducated statement by someone who heard a psychological/physiological term and took it literally. There was no research, and now it has gotten to a discussion of evolution v. creation.

Evolution has scientific FACT to back it. Creation has the belief of a group of people. If we are to teach creation than we must teach ALL creation theories from Sumer/Mesopotamia on down to modern day Hinduism and so on. They are all equally valid in that there is no proof whatsoever to validate any of them.

So evolution doesn’t teach us that we were created. I’ve heard so many arguments that evolution doesn’t deal with the origin of life but on life's progression. Why then are children being taught about how life started? I’m sure you have seen in textbooks the word "primordial soup" and "abiogenesis" and how all of life started from a single cell and then evolved. This is as much scientific fact as all the other creation theories.
Mmm maybe children need to believe in this to make evolution theory more believable... or is it indoctrination wacko.gif blink.gif
I AAAM
QUOTE(Xzenox @ Nov 8 2005, 07:22 AM) [snapback]920866[/snapback]

The base of our brain is Reptilian....
We still dont actually know how the dinosaurs died soo maybe im thinking they never died they just evolved into us could this be possible???



Yes! Yes! It's True! Did you actually know my mother in law from another life also? Man this is so spooky!!! blink.gif
Seraphina
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I’m sure you have seen in textbooks the word "primordial soup" and "abiogenesis" and how all of life started from a single cell and then evolved. This is as much scientific fact as all the other creation theories.


Abiogenesis is actually laboratory proven. It is scientific fact.
Hehe
QUOTE(Seraphina @ Nov 23 2005, 02:51 PM) [snapback]945506[/snapback]

Abiogenesis is actually laboratory proven. It is scientific fact.

You might want to read more on the subject of abiogenesis. Here is a start.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis or http://www.evowiki.org/index.php/Abiogenesis
Oh if you are refering to the Miller-Urey experiment, i would hardly consider that as evidence for abiogenesis. Amino acids with 50-50 chirality were formed.

The problem of homochirality may be summarized by the fact that all of the 20 biologically active amino acids are left handed (apart from one which is so simple that it is neither left or right handed), but that amino acids made in the laboratory are 50% left and 50% right handed. While all proteins are L-amino acids, all sugars are the D form and all nucleic acids in RNA and DNA are the D form.
Guardsman Bass
QUOTE(Hehe @ Nov 22 2005, 04:28 AM) [snapback]943757[/snapback]

So evolution doesn’t teach us that we were created. I’ve heard so many arguments that evolution doesn’t deal with the origin of life but on life's progression. Why then are children being taught about how life started? I’m sure you have seen in textbooks the word "primordial soup" and "abiogenesis" and how all of life started from a single cell and then evolved. This is as much scientific fact as all the other creation theories.
Mmm maybe children need to believe in this to make evolution theory more believable... or is it indoctrination wacko.gif blink.gif


Children are taught about abiogenesis for the same reason they are taught about geology; it is science, and important science, since it explains the origins of the ancestors who became us.
Kaizen
Things DO progessively change over time. That's evolution. Do you seriously believe that NOTHING in the world EVER changes?

Going ever further back...humans evolved from these things: http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/synapsids/pelycosaurs.html

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Conspiracy
if anything we are part of dinosaurs, but from a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time ago, like at the begining when everything started evolving from one thing to another~
gothikchile13
It could have happened. Ever have one of those days when you wanted to bite someone's head off?

--Jon
zandore
From your links.
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Abiogenesis (Greek a-bio-genesis, "non biological origins") is, in its most general sense, the generation of life from non-living matter. Today the term is primarily used to refer to theories about the chemical origin of life, such as from a primordial soup. Earlier notions of abiogenesis, now more commonly known as spontaneous generation, held that living organisms are generated by decaying organic substances, e.g. that mice spontaneously appear in stored grain or maggots spontaneously appear in meat. (That idea, which has long been known to be incorrect, will be called "Aristotelian abiogenesis" in this article.)
Had to laugh on that one!


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The term abiogenesis refers to the process by which the first living entities appeared on a lifeless Earth. It means simply getting life from non-life.

The notion that God (or any supernatural influence) intervenes in evolution or chemical interactions is not falsifiable by science, but it could be rendered irrelevant by a scientific demonstration that natural chemical processes are sufficient to explain the origins of life. The philosophical notion of vitalism posits that living organisms are imbued with a living essence or spirit which non-living things do not possess. However, no experiment has shown that living organisms are chemically different from non-living matter, or require anything more than basic chemical elements and their interactions in order to breathe, metabolize food, and reproduce.
Also from there.
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Thus, around 1620, the physician and early chemist Jan Baptista van Helmont published this recipe for making mice:

"for if you press a piece of underwear soiled with sweat together with some wheat in an open mouth jar, after about 21 days the odor changes and the ferment coming out of the underwear and penetrating through the husks of the wheat, changes the wheat into mice. But what is more remarkable is that mice of both sexes emerge (from the wheat) and these mice successfully reproduce with mice born naturally from parents? But what is even more remarkable is that the mice which came out were not small mice? but fully grown."
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Oh if you are refering to the Miller-Urey experiment, i would hardly consider that as evidence for abiogenesis. Amino acids with 50-50 chirality were formed.

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Abiogenesis is the field of science dedicated to studying how life might have arisen for the first time on the primordial young Earth. Despite the enormous progress that has been made since the Miller-Urey experiment, abiogenesis is under constant attack from creationists, who continually claim that the origin of life by random natural processes is so unlikely as to be, for all practical purposes, impossible. Following are some articles that challenge this claim and demonstrate the fundamental misconception at the core of the creationists' arguments.


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