But i am in no way an athiest hailo....I just don't believe in the christian god. Although that seems to confuse some people around here there is a very large difference between not believeing in the christian god and not believeing in anything

GOD IS FAKE...yah God is always Fake son...

U people are obssessed with God only...


EXplain why devil is not fake?

i know there is one in the white house and lot more now in the supreme court ....

I think its in a matter of believing in a higher power instead of narrowing it down to just the Christian God. I think there can be a big difference between believing in a higher power, and not believing in anything. But might that put in more options in between? Like Not believing in any higher power, but still open to its possibilities? I think it can have various options.


Hi, my name is _hAiLO_, i'm a Christian! You must be new! *sips tea*

*ahem*

*GASP!!!!!* God is not REAL because you Said SO?!?!?!?!

but the devil is also fake

hailo


I have a belief in something greater then myself yes. But it is by no means anything even remotely described by the bible or any religious person that feels that their faith is better then mine, or more important, or theirs is right and mine is wrong etc. I am open to almost everything (within reason) I just have a huge problem with the bible religious trying to force feed their own personal belief in things onto others. When it comes to faith I personally feel that you must come to your faith on your own and be true to yourself, nothing else really matters. Kindness, caring, compassion, understanding all those things come from knowing who you are not knowing who god is. And from what I've seen there seem to be an awful lot of people who think that knowing god is knowing themselves and that they are riotous and can preach and judge and condem as much as they want in the name of god. But if you ask them what THEY think it's a bible quote you get.....There in lies a problem....but that's just my opinion

It seems we have something in common....

I actually don't believe everything in the Bible...but I believe in the Christian God. Call me contradictory, but I was raised that way and I'll think about change in the future. I do also think that religious rule can get out of hand, and people will use religion and think of themselves as someone 'superior' because of what they believe in. They may even preach to non-believers...its like a Vegan trying to turn a meat eater into a vegitarian. Sometimes I think negative about my religions leaders, but people like Pope John Paul II really change my views, he was a great man.

Although people can be this way, I have so many friends that are Christians, that do not fall into this category. They actually have an atheist friend, and they respect her in every way. And speaking for myself, I have a 'best' friend who is Muslim, and another friend whom i'm very connected to who is Buddhist. It can vary so much.

God represents man. God is not. Remember our civilization [people] being coincidence? Or is that to coincidental? Imagine what an immeasurable amount of probable coincidences take place every millisecond.

I agree with this....Before you can be true with anyone or about anything you have to be true to yourself.

interesting!!!


As one gives up basic positions in regards to beleif in"God" they will find that below each level of their beleifs are yet deeper levels, ,One eventually comes to the amazing discovery that the "MIND" is not actually capable of knowing anything at all, and that the illusion that it knows is pretend example: how does the ear know music, does the computer know the sofware programs??The mind can only "think" about a subject, the mind has no innate cpacity to know, to know it actually requires being the known,God is not a journey of the mind granted the mind has its great value, beleifs manufactor an imaginary inner knower, that becomes God, We can think about "GOd" but only a "God' really knows what it means to be a "GOD" Namaste sheri

And that's exaclty my point too. As humans we are so inherently evil, that if people weren't around to enforce our laws, we'd be a society possibly worse than Sodom and Gommorah.

So I guess that puts paid to the idea of humanity as generally "good".

All the best,

Err, no one's claiming it is fact. We say it is our personal belief and is extremely important to us. But we (at least I) have never claimed such to be "fact".

Which leads us back to the original idea - all parties are as close-minded as the next. Even refusal to believe anything at all without proof is a form of close-mindedness.



Oh, it makes sense to me. It's a good way to acknowledge a creator (or God, higher power, spirit entity, your own definition - whatever term you choose to insert), yet feel the freedom to do nothing about it

Yes, I know that was cynical

All the best,

What because I don't believe in the book and don't believe in churches that all they want is money then I have the freedom to not do anything hmmm interesting....at least being me which is what it is i suppose but I will never have any regrets about who I am or who I did things for or because....I won't have done it because of a misguided obligation to someone else

i have to say i hold no respect for you because of this statment and i hope you will have something better than this (using your thread as an example) the next time you decide to post a thread. try watching this i got it off of tainted dougnuts sig (tainted i love this film it never gets old.) http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.php

This is perhaps the funniest thing I have ever read in my life! Did yall miss this part?

PA as a human I donot feel inherentlyy evil you can only speak for yourself on this one, the bibles perception of humans is incomplete and backwards IMO Namaste sheri

i missed this one:



to the first part:

to the second part: history is written by the victor. "evil" is a term used to differentiate you from the enemy so that you feel comfortable in the acts commited against them. do you really know what Sodom and Gommorah was like? apparently not! well, at least not outside the propaganda of the bible. western society is worse in many regards than these very societies you deem to represent evil, so what does that make a christian society?

Vry good question Hyper, I'll be anxious to hear the answer. Namaste Sheri

You mean if law enforcement went on strike for a day or a week you'd feel quite safe and comfortable leaving your home. Interesting...........

I was using Sodom and Gommorah as examples. Wether these places were as bad as claimed is irrelevant to this discussion. I could have just as easily said our society would be far worse than it is - but with the popular perception of Sodom and Gommorah, you know of what atrocities and problems that I refer to. Right?

Do you honestly believe our society would function without law enforcement?

PA yes i would I live in a very diverse area and some would call it Ghetto mainly because there is all races we all respect each other and look out for each other, We don't have much of a police force as it is they only come to our area when someone is killed TAx payer dollars are short and the first to go is the police.

no. i never suggested it would. the very nature of society and man is one of inherent conflicts of interest.

i will honestly say though that society would function quite a bit better without religous tripe acting as one of those divisive forces causing conflict. get rid of god constructs like those found in your cherished book and we would be one step closer to a peaceful society.

Ditto Hyper!!!!!

I do believe in God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit. If you would read the Bible, God gives us the rules that we should live by. I believe that God is real, and it is difficult for us to comprehend, because he is such a higher entity than we are, although, we are made in his image. God is all-knowing and all-powerful. He controls everything. I hope that he will show you the truth, and that one day you will accept him into your heart.

People have different ideas about who and what "God" really is. To me "God" is life itself. And there is proof of that everywhere. We are the proof.

Yes, it's true that people used gods and such to describe things they really couldn't describe in the first place. Some would rather believe in something and like to know, in their own little way, how this world works and what is going on, rather than admitting they know nothing at all.

I'll admit I am one of those people. We have to think of ways to understand the unexplained, even if not everyone agrees with what we have to say.

Hello Angelblue, IMO religion decides the rules then sys there are from "God"
Why would ALL THAT IS NEED to have rules and who would He?she rule herself himself??? Namaste sheri

To be honest i think you all are fools... ESPECIALLY those who believe in religion!
first of all christians should not even speak in all this since most of them are are X gangmembers who shot someone or almost got themselves killed and now need a form of escape. religions in all shape or form are poisen to the mind because they all imply that you should believe and not question, thus if the priest/pastor jumps off the building dont question it just follow his lead!
also the first form of curruption is religion since it was one of the first "institutions"
it also has been the reason for 90% of wars outside of greed and power, why in someones right mind would you follow and not try to lead? unless you are stupid and brainwashed.... dont get me wrong iam not athiest or cristian since i dont believe in that BS either
i just believe in good and bad not "god" or "devil" i think those are both another form of reality that one needs to point themselves in a direction. i was born to a family who is catholic ... who are 2nd to christianity in Hipocracy since they are so full of there own S@#* why is it that god will forgive anything... cause he has enternal love... LMFAO if he does why did he create hell? why did he create life? isnt the point of life since you are born is to struggle to live? to Suffer? if so i say screw god he is a prick and he should put on trial for tyrany, why does he have this world going to s@*% "because he knows what he is doing" LMFAO again.... if he knew what he was doing and if he is so perfect why had he ended the world so many times(according to the Bible)..... was that his Reset Button (>.>) |RESET|<press in case of emergency>? why are there retarded and deformed people? perhaps to amuse us? i think not, i think its all a nice and wonderful story and i cant say it should be a best seller since its the only book someone is stupid enough to read and is the best selling book/story of all time... which brings something else to mind.. who wrote the bible... man? you say... through gods power and influence.... LMAO again.... man has been currupt since the beggining of time... god your so called "Jesus/jehova" whatever you want to call him witnessed it himself when he was betrayed for some money.... LMAO... so then again the bible isnt credible because it was touched by man... i think if there is a god he is in all of us as a form of conciousness that gives us logic and reason to act upon and those who follow will only live there lives like a dog to its master never wanting to be free or wanting more being satisfied with what they have. as for me bring it! try to prove me wrong. if you can and dont give me some religious crap but fact (meaning something that can be proven not some crap you pulled from your fairy tale book)
and if i die i dont want to go to heavon and i sure dont want to go to hell i just want to die so i can finally just rest in peace, WHO THE HELL WANTS TO LIVE FOREVER?
following rules....

I say live and live your lives well follow your instincts and dont be weakminded because religion prays on those who are weak and need guidence because they are to stupid to realize what they gotten themselves into!

Religion is the foundation of evil!!!!!!!!!!


i wonder what religion cows believe in? i wonder what religion Pegeons believe in?
i wonder are they Christian or Catholic? do cows go to heavon if they are good and follow the bible? or is heavon for only humans...?

Welcome bandwagon

I disagree with pretty much everything you said. And I do not intend to "prove" Christianity to you with facts because the facts you look for do not exist.



Humour me with some facts of your own please. Would you mind providing facts for this statement?



Humour me again and find facts to back that up (Christianity actively encourages you to ask questions and is not based on what the priest says, contrary to your statement)



You are entitled to your opinions in all things, but you must also respect the beliefs of others on this forum. This is intolerance at its worst. By the way, if we are so stupid, why is it you with the spelling/grammar mistakes and not me



Man's heart is the foundation of all evil!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Once again welcome. All the best,

I doubt Religion is the root of all evil Religions primarily have done good things in a lot of communities all over the world. I also doubt the blaming of any one institution or idea as being the source of all human evil for that matter.

And if "God is fake" and all these people are deluding themselves, why should you care? It's their life; let them live it as they wish.

To answer your question I don't care unless they try to convert me, save me, or preach to me.....which religious folk are fond of doing

These religions and their adherents are constantly trying to get laws passed that impact upon the freedoms of those who do not worship the same god/gods and goddesses as do they. This is why we care about these delusional people! They thrive on the "life and let live" attitude of others, working constantly to force others to live by their beliefs, through the subsuming of the government and laws! We can never not care that they are deluding themselves, for obvious reasons. - CD

These religions and their adherents are constantly trying to get laws passed that impact upon the freedoms of those who do not worship the same god/gods and goddesses as do they. This is why we care about these delusional people! They thrive on the "life and let live" attitude of others, working constantly to force others to live by their beliefs, through the subsuming of the government and laws! We can never not care that they are deluding themselves, for obvious reasons. - CD

CD well said

As long as freedom of speech and freedom of religion are in place, and do not encroach on the other basic human rights, let them worship as they wish I say.

I was not talking about radical cults and militant religious sects when I said,"Let them practice as they see fit," I was referring to more Non-violent more socially acceptable religions such as christianity.

So was I! You had better check the history of Christianity before you speak of non-vilolence - CD

Yeah, I knew someone would be saying something along the lines of that in here...

Today are they violent? Not by a long shot, so let them worship in peace. What's the problem?

but monkyburd, christians don't just worship in peace (although perhaps some may have no other desires). they tend to organize, and attempt to make all of society into their image of what society should be. if given the chance, they would make governments into theologies in a blink of an eye. christian doctorine is to go out and "spread the word" which in essence is a call to "take over the world" (in whatever form is available).

Tell that to the village of Moslems that were wiped out by the Serbians during their "ethnic cleansing" (I was there shortly after it happened), those folks were killed by Christians because they were moslems and not Christians. There are Christians in Africa killing others because they aren't Christians, there are Christians in Asia killing others because they aren't Christians, there are Christians in America bombing abortion clinics and Federal buildings! Tell me how non-violent Christians are and after I quite laughing hysterically, I'll tell you how full of BS your statement was! -

Turn into salt, going to hell? Nah, just need understanding of your spiritual belief system that is misguided into the confusion state of the Lord God.

From Ancient civilizations ("Egyptians, Mayans...more") they all had Gods/Goddess of false lies that has an important role of history, connected with the "scripture beast".

I am not going to post scripture quotes', but will show you my belief system when it comes to other God/Goddess in the ancient times. It may make you disbelief or look into it more deeper yourself.

They existed from the beginning of creation, and now walk the earth to this day.

Do you think it is a fiction tale? Discover how they are involved in ancient history as an important role, and learn deep inside its dark hidden roots.

The Serpent creature of the scripture known to tempt Eve' from temptation to loss of true divine living on the earth. (I dont call it "Satan", its true name "Reptilian")

Spiritual faith teachers think the serpent is a "mystical, non-physical" creature that exists upon the earth. But was it phsyical in the garden to Eve in the tree, that handed it to her and talked?

How Ancient civilization history is connected with the serpent. This is included some Pagan religions.

The Worship of the Serpent,
http://www.sacred-texts.com/etc/wos

DRAGONS AND WINGED SERPENTS,
http://www.harrypottermagic.org/dragons_and_serpents.htm ("From tradition for the Egyptians")

List of Serpent false Mayan Gods,
http://www.lost-civilizations.net/mayan-gods.html

The Sun-Serpent Religion gets its Start!,
http://www.harrypottermagic.org/Paganism-101.htm
http://washingtontimes.com/national/200507...10724-3616r.htm

History Shows the Cruel and Bloody Practices of the Pagan Sun-Serpent Religion,
http://www.harrypottermagic.org/Paganism-%...ked%20Truth.htm

Interesting interview, http://www.metatech.org/credo_mutwa.html.

The First Book of Adam and Eve,
http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/free...adamevetoc.html

The Second Book of Adam and Eve,
http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/free...ameve2-toc.html

What is your point? It all seems to be "deep in the left field" mythology with no coherency to the posting...Don't know what you are attempting to say - CD

Hey CD You forgot to mention our President! A Baptist.

i belive in allah (or god) but you just cant belive that the world started with the big bang thats too hard to belive man.

our president is a pagen mofo,the satan worshipper can suck it

Do developed countries have this problem? No they don't, because they support all religions equally and peacefully.

In 3rd world shitpoor countries it doesn't matter what belief they are fighting for, they obviously are just fighting for survival and dominance regardless of what religious affiliation you happen to stamp on it. "My god is better" is the war cry of the christians, jews, tsusies, shiites, whoever!

And Abortion clinic bombings? Let's not judge an entire group of people and beliefs based on a select few nutcases.


Yes. They want their belief to TAKE OVER THE FREE WORLD and enslave us all on sunday.

I am at my wits end with this section of the forum, to many assholes in here whining about christian conspiracy theories.... seriously.

is that be best defense you have to offer for christianity, monkyburd? i guess christians have no other recourse than to go forth and educate the heathens on how they are just assholes because they do not support christian dogma.

once again you havnt said anything but what your pastor has programmed to you to say
whether my grammer is bad or not i dont care this isnt English2B, then again this is your cheapshot making you think your better then me.. so typical of a christian to make someone feel there stupid.
this is about your "religion" against my idea... and so far all ive heard is a chicken clucking the same crap the next one did, you see christianity is EVIL they believe they are the Inferior Religion alot like hitler believed the germans where inferior to the Jews.
Christianity caused MAJOR DEATHS in europe in the 15th century when the priests and christianity rules over law, how many people died for your beliefs? not hundreds not thousands But millions all for your stupid holywars and Crusades, trying to force you to believe in something much like today except now christianity has found a new approach intead of raw Physical threats.
to me Christianity is alot like a Gang witch prey on the lower faiths trying to desperately change someones idea to fit theres so that they may join there cult.
i think if someone grew up with no Religion involved whatsoever they would be 100X happier and would live there lives more prosperous with out them thinking about religion slapping them in the hands.

"I >doubt< Religion is the root of all evil rolleyes.gif Religions primarily have done good things in a lot of communities all over the world. I also doubt the blaming of any one institution or idea as being the source of all human evil for that matter.

Notice how even a christian can DOUBT he isnt sure hes just defending something cause he is programmed to!

And if "God is fake" and all these people are deluding themselves, why should you care? It's their life; let them live it as they wish. yes.gif"

lol.. .only if you praticed what you preach! ....
oh no christianity needs to tell them how life should be lived

if you want some statistics go to a large city and ask all coverted Christians why the changed to christianity.... Because no other faith will accept most of there stupidity

Another thing i ask myself...
There is Thousands of Religions....what will god do when he finally returns...?
eanie meanie miny MOE! your the right one! everyone else will go to hell....LMAO

why do you all think even in war there is Priests...? to brainwash the soldiers to believe even in death they will not die they will go to heavon.... lmao i bet if you asked a dead soldier how heavon is he would flip you off and mad dog you!

whatevers i have nothing more to say to these brainwashed idealists who believe they will go to heavon and will only bump there heads on the way to hell.

So so say god is fake think on this for a while:
So supposing there is no god there would be no afterlife.
But supposing there is a god there would be an afterlife.
I guess it is easier to say he doesn't exsist.
That is of course all until your end is coming and the final choice must be made then you start sweating bullets.

I'd say there is more to gain if you believe there is a god than if there isn't.
To me it just makes more sense,
Kinda like if you had the oppurtunity to invest a couple of bucks in something that would make you millions.
Really what is a couple of bucks?
Compared To A Million!?

Well he may not be real to you, and that's your right. But i happen to believe in God, Just because i can't see him does not mean i don't feel his love.

Did you not read that Monkeyburd? Go tell the survivors and next of kin of the victims of the abortion clinic bombings, of the Oklahoma Federal Building bombing (the militia that supported McVey was a Christian Militia) that Christians in America are loving and kind people who NEVER do violence. Tell this to the young black men that were killed in the 60's during the Civil Rights era (the men opposing them used the bible as their basis - I know, I lived through that time), tell it to the innocent Iraqi civilian that was maimed by an American bomb because our highly religious Christian President cried "WMD" and sent our troops into harms way...Tell it to the next of kin of our troops that have died in Iraq! Christians are merely emulating their blood-thirsty god

Just another version of Paschal's much debunked wager, but I'll bite. First, the existence of a God doesn't predicate an afterlife. Many religions past and present do not believe in an afterlife or their afterlife is merely becoming part of the Cosmic All, being totally subsumed with nothing of their individual personality existing. Even if a god existed and an afterlife was your reward/punishment for your life actions, how do you know which god is the real one, which rules to follow or which Heaven/Hell to prepare for. There is no more proof/evidence for Jehova/YHWH/Jesus than there is for any other god. This is the main reason that many of the skeptics on this board "attack" Christian assumptions that they are "oh so right", because there is no proof of their religion being more than just another superstition and we get tired of them pushing what we consider to be mumbo jumbo. Yet let us point out the illogic of their beliefs and we are damned to Hell and accused of hate - CD

Those heathens aren't concerned with christian dogma. They intterpret it so as to start and sustain wars. It wouldn't matter what religion they were fighting for, they would still twist it into a reason to fight.

Bandwagon, I'm not a christian you moron. I've never attended a church service and know nothing about the bible.


I did, and replied with this:
And Abortion clinic bombings? Let's not judge an entire group of people and beliefs based on a select few nutcases.

Some cccccrazy people apparently crashed two planes into the World Trade Centers because of their religion... I guess all muslim people are dangerous suicidal maniacs now aren't they?

And I thouroughly enjoy how everybody gets a nice big woody from saying,"OMG BUSH IS A CHRISTIAN! WHAT WOULD JESUS BOMB? LOL!!"

Look, Bush is a dumbass before he's a christian... and trying to show the world how the United States is still number one because we can push around whoever we want.

But remeber, dumbass first... christian later. I'm sure these types of people exsist throughout all religious denominations.

Monkyburd are you religious?