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Bluefinger

Nov 20 2005, 08:03 PM

QUOTE(zandore @ Nov 20 2005, 12:56 PM) [snapback]940911[/snapback]

How is feeling sad for someone called pride?
BTW: Even though I am not a Christian I was doing the Christian thing

Where is your Christianity?

This circumstance shows pride because I said it enough that it was my choice to stop looking at other religions and all of asudden you feel sad for me. What if, because you refuse to believe in a god, I called you close minded and that I felt sad for you. When you say, "I feel sad for you," how do you think it makes someone feel. 'like a fool.' A fool is the least of men and to call someone a fool shows some degree of pride. The Christian thing is not making someone feel foolish, but to rather pick them up when they are down, fill them with wisdom while they're humble. Openly pitying someone is almost the same as ridicule in public eyes. If you feel sad for me, tell me in private, if you can't, then lets keep this civil, please.

God bless

zandore

Nov 20 2005, 08:26 PM

QUOTE(Bluefinger)

....how do you think it makes someone feel. 'like a fool.' A fool is the least of men and to call someone a fool shows some degree of pride.

WTF?
Just where did I call you a fool?

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If you feel sad for me, tell me in private,

Unlike you apparently I have nothing to hide.

GIDEON MAGE

Nov 21 2005, 03:07 AM

god is real. it's religion that is fake.

hyperactive

Nov 21 2005, 03:16 AM

QUOTE(GIDEON MAGE @ Nov 20 2005, 07:07 PM) [snapback]941643[/snapback]

god is real. it's religion that is fake.

really? and which god is that? (i know, the god you have created a construct of, of course!)

GIDEON MAGE

Nov 21 2005, 03:38 AM

QUOTE(hyperactive @ Nov 20 2005, 10:16 PM) [snapback]941661[/snapback]

really? and which god is that? (i know, the god you have created a construct of, of course!)

good evening, hyper, buddy. I thought i explained what I "believe" in. i quote myself.

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The God I believe in is GREATER than the Universe. The next time you look up in the night sky, think about what you see. You are not just seeing stars, you are seeing galaxies, billions of them, each of which contains billions of stars! Whatever set all this in motion is God, and that is the same force that maintains the electrons spinning around the nuclei of every atom, and determines the content of that nucleus. Such a force or being could not possibly be contained or limited by petty human beliefs. Such a being is intelligence all our imaginings. This being is not stupid. If you want to call it Jesus, Buddha, YHVH, Allah, or Shiva, or Fred,it understands. If you close your hand, and grasp a bit of air, it contains, for a moment, billions of subatomic particles, each of which contains a bit of the essence of the One, which was theirs from the Big Bang to the Heat Entropy which will eventually end this petty universe. Love? Why would that be? Love is not even close to the power of such a being. Christians and others, that suppose that this Being was somehow incarnate in a man-you are not even close to comprehending the true mystery! The Divine Spark is in all of us! We are all "begotten" sons of God. As I said before, the real God understands when you speak to it whatever name you call-all gods are merely a reflection of the real thing.

As an occultist, I have to accept that whatever you send out will be reflected in what appears to you. the form is "constructed", if you will, will be filled by the "real" thing, which, according to occult philosophy, we can't know directly. but it doesn;t matter, it will come to you according to your beliefs. I was not "born" into a religious faith like most here. my parents were atheists (my mom still alive at 81). I found my own path and like it. I have communicated to many various forms of "God", but they are all the same one, in my point of view. I accept that Moses saw something, and Buddha, too. I don;t try to impress my point of view on others, but I love a little debate.

fallingalien

Nov 21 2005, 03:41 AM

QUOTE(TeraLink @ Nov 19 2005, 04:43 PM) [snapback]939405[/snapback]

I guess there is no higher being after all. The concept of religion is a positive energy, a way to live yr life by. It never actually existed until ppl began to believe in it. Once that happened, it began to become real by using the positive energies from the ppl's beliefs. & then it continued to grow into what we have today.

TeraLink Was Here!

you guys seem to come up with these theories that don't make sense just so you have some reason not to believe in God.

hyperactive

Nov 21 2005, 03:43 AM

i agree with not pressing one's views on others.

I say everything seen by Buddha and Abraham (and all the others) were self induced hallucinations and nothing more. People create their gods. When it comes to buddhism however i prefer the "true" path in which there is no god! (no need for the hindu influece)

GIDEON MAGE

Nov 21 2005, 03:46 AM

QUOTE(hyperactive @ Nov 20 2005, 10:43 PM) [snapback]941710[/snapback]

i agree with not pressing one's views on others.

I say everything seen by Buddha and Abraham (and all the others) were self induced hallucinations and nothing more. People create their gods. When it comes to buddhism however i prefer the "true" path in which there is no god! (no need for the hindu influece)

but as an occultist i insist that they were seeing a reflection of the real thing.and siddharta gautama never denied the gods, just stated that enlightenment was more important than worrying about who created what.

fallingalien

Nov 21 2005, 03:46 AM

QUOTE(zandore @ Nov 20 2005, 04:56 PM) [snapback]941010[/snapback]

Exod. 24:9,10; Amos 9:1; Gen. 26:2; and John 14:9
God CAN be seen:
"And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (Ex. 33:23)
"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (Ex. 33:11)
"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (Gen. 32:30)

maybe but I think he meant in a different way which seemed like it was face to face, God probably did something cool like making his stick turn into a snake and that was enough proof so it was like face to face with God, they talked many times Moses and God

fallingalien

Nov 21 2005, 03:49 AM

QUOTE(hyperactive @ Nov 21 2005, 12:43 AM) [snapback]941710[/snapback]

i agree with not pressing one's views on others.

I say everything seen by Buddha and Abraham (and all the others) were self induced hallucinations and nothing more. People create their gods. When it comes to buddhism however i prefer the "true" path in which there is no god! (no need for the hindu influece)

1000's of times of God doing stuff was hallucinations, EVERYTHING, ok, keep blocking everything about God you're doing a fine job.

fallingalien

Nov 21 2005, 03:58 AM

QUOTE(luckycanucky @ Nov 19 2005, 09:41 PM) [snapback]939720[/snapback]

I find myself intrigued by creation myths and other origin stories from other cultures and civilizations. I know people will believe wholeheartedly that the world started just like Genesis says it did, but then you start looking at all the other beliefs there have been and the similiarities of some of the stories and whatall.. Seems silly to me that people don't want to consider the possibility that it's just a story once told to explain how things got going simply because science wasn't something like we have now, with explainations that have come from experimentation and research. Everything they couldn't "know" they gave to gods to deal with, i guess. They had no means to answer questions like we can now. And we still have questions that may never be solved.

Maybe that's the point, though. Never stop asking, never stop looking. Always want to learn more, become more.

Maybe if god really did make us in his image, then perhaps that's what he hopes we all become..gods who will build new universes...

okay, now I'm just getting fictional...

ok, just because we make pictures of whatever we like that means we want it to copy it? if you make a picture of a bug you want it to fly? that makes no sense.

Also you say "people back then didn't have science to think about blah blah blah"

we still aren't advanced, people will be above us in the future and will think we were wrong because they are more advanced than us, and someone will think they are higher and smarter and think they're right in the future, and it goes on and on forever! it can't be stopped, probably in a 50 years they will think apples are meat or who knows what, the smarter future people always think they know the answers better than past people and I'm sure someone years ahead of now will be thinking scientists now are wrong.

put yourself in people's shoes, how would you feel being Moses or someone and people in the future saying "He's wrong because he was born in a dumb time period"

that's basically what you're all saying, well most.

GIDEON MAGE

Nov 21 2005, 04:03 AM

some of us think that genesis validates evolution, not the opposite. the only apparent mistake was the birds preceding land animals, otherwise it;s pretty close. this is of course if you understand that "yom" in hebrew didn't mean "day".

hyperactive

Nov 21 2005, 04:27 AM

QUOTE(fallingalien @ Nov 20 2005, 07:49 PM) [snapback]941718[/snapback]

1000's of times of God doing stuff was hallucinations, EVERYTHING, ok, keep blocking everything about God you're doing a fine job.

which gods doing what? it is all a human creation. the old anecdotal approach

i don't block anything of "gods", i recognize them for what they are: a human construct, an attribute, a fiction. They can be as real to someone as the toothfairy. Gods exist only in the thoughts of men. Keep blocking the truth, you are doing a fine job!

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but as an occultist i insist that they were seeing a reflection of the real thing

real to them! people are quite good at thinking what they "see" is real.

Paranoid Android

Nov 21 2005, 10:53 AM

QUOTE(GIDEON MAGE @ Nov 21 2005, 03:03 PM) [snapback]941730[/snapback]

some of us think that genesis validates evolution, not the opposite. the only apparent mistake was the birds preceding land animals, otherwise it;s pretty close. this is of course if you understand that "yom" in hebrew didn't mean "day".

Even without that, evolution fits. A day to the Lord is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like a day.

ANd if you understand anything at all about numbers in the Bible, it doesn't have to be a literal "thousand years", but rather a thousand (or multiples thereof) is simply symbolic of a large, but ultimately finite period of time.

Some food for thought

Regards, PA

Beckys_Mom

Nov 21 2005, 11:02 AM

QUOTE(hyperactive @ Nov 21 2005, 03:16 AM) [snapback]941661[/snapback]

really? and which god is that? (i know, the god you have created a construct of, of course!)

People see God as a being, some like to worship the sun & the moon as their form of God, others have different ideas, that is what makes it intresting and again is why it is known as a faith.

If I didn't have faith in something and had nothing to believe in..i'd go mad

I think that nearly everyone believes in something..!

zandore

Nov 21 2005, 02:57 PM

QUOTE(fallingalien @ Nov 20 2005, 10:46 PM) [snapback]941716[/snapback]

maybe but I think he meant in a different way which seemed like it was face to face, God probably did something cool like making his stick turn into a snake and that was enough proof so it was like face to face with God, they talked many times Moses and God

Where in the Bible does it say this?

Paranoid Android

Nov 21 2005, 08:45 PM

Hey zandore, guess what - I agree with you on this *cue dramatic music*

Man has seen God before - the OT is full of occassions where he does. It was a different era when God was visibly leading his people (I almost used the word "actively" leading, but you might misunderstand what I meant - I hope visibly is clearer to understand).

I think only Moses ever truly saw God (though an argument can be made for Peter and John seeing the transfiguration of Jesus) up on Mt Sinai, his face came back in sheer radiance of reflected GOd, that would blind those who looked upon him. All other mentions it was a physical manifestation of God in some way, a burning bush, a pillar of fire/smoke, a man with the physical constitution to wrestle all night. All other mention of man meeting God, God has been a representation of some form, which was the point I think that wots-his-name was trying to make when he said no one has seen God.

Just my humble opinion.

Regards, PA

hyperactive

Nov 21 2005, 10:01 PM

in other words, PA, god is a bad trip. those prophetic types should have stayed off the mushrooms

Paranoid Android

Nov 21 2005, 10:08 PM

You did know when the Israelites were leaving Egypt, God was with them, as a cloud by day, and pillar of fire by night. God stayed with them for the next 40years as they wandered the wilderness.

Of course you knew that!

No mushies I'm afraid, though it'd make for some interesting stories, I'm sure.

Regards, PA

hyperactive

Nov 21 2005, 10:18 PM

as a cloud, as a whisp of wind.... all just colourful stories. of course, there is also the issue of the evolution of man at play! man had to develop the ability to understand the "source" for voices in his head.

Paranoid Android

Nov 21 2005, 10:28 PM

QUOTE(hyperactive @ Nov 22 2005, 09:18 AM) [snapback]942809[/snapback]

as a cloud, as a whisp of wind.... all just colourful stories. of course, there is also the issue of the evolution of man at play! man had to develop the ability to understand the "source" for voices in his head.

You make the assumption that these are nothing but a madman's ramblings. Let it suffice that I disagree.

Regards, PA

Tangerine Sheri

Nov 21 2005, 10:49 PM

QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Nov 21 2005, 02:45 PM) [snapback]942646[/snapback]

Hey zandore, guess what - I agree with you on this *cue dramatic music*

Man has seen God before - the OT is full of occassions where he does. It was a different era when God was visibly leading his people (I almost used the word "actively" leading, but you might misunderstand what I meant - I hope visibly is clearer to understand).

I think only Moses ever truly saw God (though an argument can be made for Peter and John seeing the transfiguration of Jesus) up on Mt Sinai, his face came back in sheer radiance of reflected GOd, that would blind those who looked upon him. All other mentions it was a physical manifestation of God in some way, a burning bush, a pillar of fire/smoke, a man with the physical constitution to wrestle all night. All other mention of man meeting God, God has been a representation of some form, which was the point I think that wots-his-name was trying to make when he said no one has seen God.

Just my humble opinion.

Regards, PA

PA your comments support your beleive structure , you are demonstrating your understanding of god, the bible shows the ignorance of man more than anything else (ignorance in what he doesn't get or wants to) basically, this is a lesser god IMO , Its a journalling of how man comes to understand himself and handles himself and as you can see he hasn't gotten to far. Namaste Sheri

Paranoid Android

Nov 21 2005, 11:05 PM

Whatever Sheri - I'm just saying what works for me. Yes, it is my understanding of God. In your opinion, it is a lesser God. To me, it is the only God.

I know we're not going to see eye to eye on this, I'm just saying what I believe.

Regards, PA

Tangerine Sheri

Nov 22 2005, 01:08 AM

PA I know you beleive in the bible God, As opposed to all the other Gods to beleive in why this one???You have said on a few occassions you have studied so many relgions correct and settled on Christianity, the vengeful needy, egotistaical God who needs I mean needs worship or else??? I'm curious. namaste Sheri

Paranoid Android

Nov 22 2005, 01:15 AM

It's a matter of perception. The words that you ascribe to the Bible God:

QUOTE(Sheri Berri)

the vengeful needy, egotistaical God who needs I mean needs worship or else

I would never use myself. My Bible God is a God of love and mercy and justice and righteousness, who was willing to sacrifice everything for me.

Regards, PA

Mr Slayer

Nov 22 2005, 11:38 AM

Humanity is primordial to the core. It inevitably and constantly believes in something "greater" than itself, no matter it be God or Aliens, just like someone pointed out here in the thread. And that's truly pathetic.

God is created by clever humans (not the other way around) to subjugate other, more stupid humans and thus creating religion, also a tool for subjugation.
If you read the whole Old Testament, you'll see that it's full of agression and violence from the "loving" Christian God. Anyone still believing it's all about "turning the other cheek", think again. It should be all about common sense, not using the Bible slavishly and (too) litteraly as a life-guide. Christianity doesn't have monopoly on goodness, forget about it.

BTW, I think it's in Mattheus that God points out that your body is "his". I call this pimping on high level.
Those who believe in him do it either because they need it, for safety reasons, or because they have been brainwashed as children to believe the mainstream, i e, "God exists".

I think there is no God and the argument that non-believers go to hell means no one can actually control this fact (because when they get there, they're dead, of course!) but people still believe it. Blindly!
It's so paradoxically hollow that it's funny.

Bluefinger

Nov 22 2005, 12:04 PM

QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Nov 21 2005, 07:08 PM) [snapback]943052[/snapback]

PA I know you beleive in the bible God, As opposed to all the other Gods to beleive in why this one???You have said on a few occassions you have studied so many relgions correct and settled on Christianity, the vengeful needy, egotistaical God who needs I mean needs worship or else??? I'm curious. namaste Sheri

But, just because you see PA's God this way, doesn't neccessarily mean that you are correct on your judgements. People look at justice different ways, vengence is a personal trait that really isn't up for you to judge. Egotisitical.....well, I think for someone who has control of all things in the universe, I say God's doing a wise job with His power. To understand this God, you may need to understand that we realize that eternal life can only be found in God, thus worship is a neccessary thing with today's freewilled people who prefer to worship their own lives, which will one day fade. Just some thoughts to crunch.

God Bless

EmpressV

Nov 22 2005, 01:55 PM

Bluefinger I think your a little confused. Your last line is a bit incorrect, IMO. Freewilled people who are worshipping their own lives will be the way of the future. If we worship our own lives we will appreciate them much more and in turn we will appreciate other people of the world as well. This transition away from religion is in the difficult early stages but will even out eventually and peace will reign when the religious community will no longer be ruled by an outside entity. If we look inside ourselves for the answers we will find them. Your god in reality is the bigger voice inside each of us only, you attribute it to a physical/spiritual entity.

101

Nov 22 2005, 02:45 PM

God's free will allows us to choose to worship God.

Although people say how is it a choice when you are going to Hell if you do not worship him.

Well if you choose not to worship God then why would you think you would go to Hell?

But maybe some feel that Hell is real and that maybe they are wanting to believe but they do not because of what a Christian has to sacrifice.

Christian Sacrfices:

( if we all followed these)

1) no sex before marriage or sexual immorality

2) you have to sacrifice anything that controls you. ( say eating ice cream controls you) The item that controls you is soemthing that can hinder growth in God. This is soemthing a lot of people don't want to give up. ex:drinking, smoking, overeating, sexy attire, and vainity. These things are bad. And some people don't want to give up something that gives them pleasure.

Big cheese

Nov 22 2005, 03:33 PM

QUOTE

you guys seem to come up with these theories that don't make sense just so you have some reason not to believe in God.

maybe its the inconstancies in religion that makes people see the hard truth and accept it for what it is rather than construct fairytale gods to give purpose where non lies

Granted religion is all about choice its your choice to ignore or perceive facts in a way that suits your belief what’s important to me is when those facts are backed up with evidence that can be proven and proven again by all parties involved
I choose to not believe as education and the evidence around me suggest this
And religion offers no valid alternative

101

Nov 22 2005, 05:22 PM

Big Cheese I think that is a good reason to not believe.

BTW I love the name. It makes me hungry. LOL.

Tangerine Sheri

Nov 22 2005, 07:46 PM

QUOTE(curiousity @ Nov 22 2005, 07:55 AM) [snapback]943861[/snapback]

Bluefinger I think your a little confused. Your last line is a bit incorrect, IMO. Freewilled people who are worshipping their own lives will be the way of the future. If we worship our own lives we will appreciate them much more and in turn we will appreciate other people of the world as well. This transition away from religion is in the difficult early stages but will even out eventually and peace will reign when the religious community will no longer be ruled by an outside entity. If we look inside ourselves for the answers we will find them. Your god in reality is the bigger voice inside each of us only, you attribute it to a physical/spiritual entity.

namaste sheri

Tangerine Sheri

Nov 22 2005, 07:59 PM

QUOTE(Bluefinger @ Nov 22 2005, 06:04 AM) [snapback]943785[/snapback]

But, just because you see PA's God this way, doesn't neccessarily mean that you are correct on your judgements. People look at justice different ways, vengence is a personal trait that really isn't up for you to judge. Egotisitical.....well, I think for someone who has control of all things in the universe, I say God's doing a wise job with His power. To understand this God, you may need to understand that we realize that eternal life can only be found in God, thus worship is a neccessary thing with today's freewilled people who prefer to worship their own lives, which will one day fade. Just some thoughts to crunch.

God Bless

Blue, the christain god speaks for himself, thas an ironic statement your god doesn't have control over the universe that is obvious, What is wise about how he is handling things Blue?? So it seems that your need to beleive in eternal life is so over whelming you "overlook" alot!! Make peace with the fear of death, why do you fear it ??? "There is nothing to fear except fear itself" I beleive people are taught to live in fear, the voice inside of you is the only voice you should follow as curiousity suggested, Namaste Sheri

Bluefinger

Nov 23 2005, 01:30 AM

QUOTE(curiousity @ Nov 22 2005, 07:55 AM) [snapback]943861[/snapback]

Bluefinger I think your a little confused. Your last line is a bit incorrect, IMO. Freewilled people who are worshipping their own lives will be the way of the future. If we worship our own lives we will appreciate them much more and in turn we will appreciate other people of the world as well. This transition away from religion is in the difficult early stages but will even out eventually and peace will reign when the religious community will no longer be ruled by an outside entity. If we look inside ourselves for the answers we will find them. Your god in reality is the bigger voice inside each of us only, you attribute it to a physical/spiritual entity.

um, please don't tell me what my God is if you don't believe in my God the way I do, thats like teaching someone something they already know, but in your own method. I'm sure that person like's his method well.
But, do really think that removing religion from our community will remove theft, murder, lies, adultery, hate, anger, lust, loftiness, ect.?? By no means, because people are how they are and will choose to do what they want regardless of what a religion, parents, or even government says. If they won't listen to their own conscious in which you trust so much, how will they listen to any greater authority such as God, parents, guardians, government, bosses, ect.??? No, religion has nothing to do with people's choices, their hearts have everything to do with it. If a person wants to kill, he will kill, regardless of what anyone says. Just because religion would be removed, it doesn't mean peace will get better. Religious wars are for power and territory. Religious quarrels are for personal gain. Religious killings are out of insanity or lack of knowledge. So no, we cannot worship our own lives, because they will NEVER be peaceful enough.

God bless

Bluefinger

Nov 23 2005, 01:33 AM

QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Nov 22 2005, 01:59 PM) [snapback]944285[/snapback]

Blue, the christain god speaks for himself, thas an ironic statement your god doesn't have control over the universe that is obvious, What is wise about how he is handling things Blue?? So it seems that your need to beleive in eternal life is so over whelming you "overlook" alot!! Make peace with the fear of death, why do you fear it ??? "There is nothing to fear except fear itself" I beleive people are taught to live in fear, the voice inside of you is the only voice you should follow as curiousity suggested, Namaste Sheri

Its not death that I'm afraid, its a waste of life that I'm afraid of. Why go on living if we will all die? I believe in eternal life, so death does not scare me. I think you are reading me wrong. And just because God doesn't control the univererse, it doesn't mean he can't. He just decides not to for his own reasons, which I'm sure are wise.

Oh, i'm sure i don't want to follow my curiosity to far into an unknown land, that can turn out for the worst of me, then I will be a fool.

God bless

Tangerine Sheri

Nov 23 2005, 05:17 AM

QUOTE(Bluefinger @ Nov 22 2005, 07:33 PM) [snapback]944962[/snapback]

Its not death that I'm afraid, its a waste of life that I'm afraid of. Why go on living if we will all die? I believe in eternal life, so death does not scare me. I think you are reading me wrong. And just because God doesn't control the univererse, it doesn't mean he can't. He just decides not to for his own reasons, which I'm sure are wise.

Oh, i'm sure i don't want to follow my curiosity to far into an unknown land, that can turn out for the worst of me, then I will be a fool.

God bless

blue why wouldn't you want to follow your curiousity, what do you mean by unknown land????Waht would turn out worse for you??? Or make you foolish??? namaste sheri

Bluefinger

Nov 23 2005, 07:13 AM

QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Nov 22 2005, 11:17 PM) [snapback]945205[/snapback]

blue why wouldn't you want to follow your curiousity, what do you mean by unknown land????Waht would turn out worse for you??? Or make you foolish??? namaste sheri

ever heard of 'curiosity killed the cat?' There are somethings we are better off NOT knowing, for the safety of ourselves and the lives of others. curiosity often leads to confusion, especially with faith, because you never know which is the right one, you just have to believe in what you believe. The unknown land is my symbolism for unfamiliar topics that make a fool out of you if you don't watch what you are saying or doing.
I'm not a very curious person outside of my religion anyhow.

God bless

Tangerine Sheri

Nov 23 2005, 07:16 AM

QUOTE(Bluefinger @ Nov 23 2005, 01:13 AM) [snapback]945294[/snapback]

ever heard of 'curiosity killed the cat?' There are somethings we are better off NOT knowing, for the safety of ourselves and the lives of others. curiosity often leads to confusion, especially with faith, because you never know which is the right one, you just have to believe in what you believe. The unknown land is my symbolism for unfamiliar topics that make a fool out of you if you don't watch what you are saying or doing.
I'm not a very curious person outside of my religion anyhow.

God bless

Blue, are yo uplaying guitar in your photo??? Do you listen to different styles of music??
Wow Blue, curiousity killed the cat?? What would be dangerous and life threating if you asked that is???Doyou stick to one style of music or do you explore many??/ namaste Sheri

Bluefinger

Nov 23 2005, 05:19 PM

QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Nov 23 2005, 01:16 AM) [snapback]945296[/snapback]

Blue, are yo uplaying guitar in your photo??? Do you listen to different styles of music??
Wow Blue, curiousity killed the cat?? What would be dangerous and life threating if you asked that is???Doyou stick to one style of music or do you explore many??/ namaste Sheri

yep thats me. I explore many types, but stick to one most of the time. Rock. Music can't save me though, so I guess its a little different that religion.

God bless

JMPD1

Nov 24 2005, 07:26 AM

QUOTE(Bluefinger @ Nov 23 2005, 02:13 AM) [snapback]945294[/snapback]

ever heard of 'curiosity killed the cat?' There are somethings we are better off NOT knowing, for the safety of ourselves and the lives of others. curiosity often leads to confusion, especially with faith, because you never know which is the right one, you just have to believe in what you believe. The unknown land is my symbolism for unfamiliar topics that make a fool out of you if you don't watch what you are saying or doing.
I'm not a very curious person outside of my religion anyhow.

God bless

Wow. Curiosity is a bad thing, huh?
I guess its better to go through life with downcast eyes, and never think about what might be beyond the next hill.

Thank the maker that there are people out there with curiosity and the desire to learn more and question why things are, and why they aren't, and how to make life better. Elsewise, we'd still be on the savannah eating grubs and being eaten by lions......

You probably fit in very well in the dark ages blue.

but, good journey on your path, I hope it brings you comfort.

SilverCougar

Nov 24 2005, 07:55 AM

Gee... if it wasn't for curiosity and imagination... we would probaly still be no more then primitive sapiens.

None of what we have now...

Twas curiosity and imagination that led to where we are now. Evolutionist or ID withstanding.

I mean.. if it wasn't for curiosity, we wouldn't know what distilled sugar cane juice would tast like... And I'd be a sad kitty... =(

Kismit

Nov 24 2005, 08:04 AM

Yes and if it wern't for curiosity, we would never have discovered that cows can be milked. Allthough I'm not sure what the original curious person was doing when they were being curios there.

SilverCougar

Nov 24 2005, 08:15 AM

QUOTE(Kismit @ Nov 24 2005, 08:04 AM) [snapback]946641[/snapback]

Yes and if it wern't for curiosity, we would never have discovered that cows can be milked. Allthough I'm not sure what the original curious person was doing when they were being curios there.

Speaking on that line... if it wasn't for curiosity, we wouldn't have found out that camel's milk is more nutricious then cow's... X)

(random trivia fact)

GIDEON MAGE

Nov 24 2005, 12:08 PM

my favorite iis cake. how did someone take wheat, milk, yeast and eggs and put them together?

Bluefinger

Nov 24 2005, 04:06 PM

QUOTE(JMPD1 @ Nov 24 2005, 01:26 AM) [snapback]946620[/snapback]

Wow. Curiosity is a bad thing, huh?
I guess its better to go through life with downcast eyes, and never think about what might be beyond the next hill.

Thank the maker that there are people out there with curiosity and the desire to learn more and question why things are, and why they aren't, and how to make life better. Elsewise, we'd still be on the savannah eating grubs and being eaten by lions......

You probably fit in very well in the dark ages blue.

but, good journey on your path, I hope it brings you comfort.

okay, let me rephrase that. There are good curiosities and not so helpful curiosities. For example taking drugs can be good if you are sick, but some drugs are bad for you. Sex is good but isn't so good once you learn the varieties of risks and of STD's out there. Believing in a religion is good, but observing so many may just mislead you to a point where you don't know what to believe. What I'm saying is I do not want to get to that point, whether what I believe in is actually true or not. I believe in what I believe and I don't want to believe in any other religion, so I have no buisness investigating their religions. On top of that, I really don't care to.

God bless

hyperactive

Nov 24 2005, 08:22 PM

QUOTE(Kismit @ Nov 24 2005, 12:04 AM) [snapback]946641[/snapback]

Yes and if it wern't for curiosity, we would never have discovered that cows can be milked. Allthough I'm not sure what the original curious person was doing when they were being curios there.

some things should not have been discovered, or at least not utilized when not understood.

SilverCougar

Nov 24 2005, 09:02 PM

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Believing in a religion is good, but observing so many may just mislead you to a point where you don't know what to believe. What I'm saying is I do not want to get to that point, whether what I believe in is actually true or not. I believe in what I believe and I don't want to believe in any other religion, so I have no buisness investigating their religions. On top of that, I really don't care to.

This is where I dissagree. Learning about many religions is good. It keeps minds open and teaches people to be more accepting really. It's all part of learning, and not shutting one self off to the world because one's afraid of being confused or whatnot. If you have strength in your faith, then why worry about not knowing what to believe and stop yourself from learning?

Tangerine Sheri

Nov 24 2005, 09:06 PM

QUOTE(Bluefinger @ Nov 24 2005, 10:06 AM) [snapback]946973[/snapback]

okay, let me rephrase that. There are good curiosities and not so helpful curiosities. For example taking drugs can be good if you are sick, but some drugs are bad for you. Sex is good but isn't so good once you learn the varieties of risks and of STD's out there. Believing in a religion is good, but observing so many may just mislead you to a point where you don't know what to believe. What I'm saying is I do not want to get to that point, whether what I believe in is actually true or not. I believe in what I believe and I don't want to believe in any other religion, so I have no buisness investigating their religions. On top of that, I really don't care to.

God bless

blue you define your life around a fear construct, in order for religion to be so effective it scares you about everything as you are saying certainly be aware and use care but Religon is propagandasized (sp) by fear, you are simply telling us what you are afraid of which is alot most of all yourself, How is that good for you ???? Why wouldn't you investigate and question, why wouldn't your religon want you to?? Why at your young age would you limit yourself , your god should be able to stand under any scrunity and questioning , what would he be hiding ??? namaste Sheri

Kismit

Nov 24 2005, 09:15 PM

QUOTE(Silverkitty)

If you have strength in your faith, then why worry about not knowing what to believe and stop yourself from learning?

good question Silver, very good question.

GIDEON MAGE

Nov 25 2005, 02:35 AM

QUOTE(Kismit @ Nov 24 2005, 04:15 PM) [snapback]947254[/snapback]

good question Silver, very good question.

i always ask xians, if you are so sure, why don't u kill yourself? they always give a smart-ass answer about suicide. if i really really believed i was going to paradise, i'd go now/