Unexplained Mysteries Discussion Forums

mako

Sep 8 2005, 12:24 PM

QUOTE

Mako I care to differ

Little one, I never said that there were no good Christians. You, PA, Tainted, SomethingLikeLaughter all show that you are good Christians and I know many others that are good Christians. But I qualified my statement by saying that the most moral people I have known were Atheists, Agnostics and Deists – and they are! Morals are not dictated by anything more than society, they are the glue that binds us together and the oil that lubricates our interaction - nothing more! They are not a dictate from some invisible sky-dwelling entity but are rather the result of the gift that the Creator gave all mankind, the ability to think, the ability to empathize/sympathize and the desire to help and please our fellow man. YOU can use my yes smilie, but Lamont Cranston will have to answer to me if he uses it again without my permission!

JMPD1

Sep 8 2005, 12:32 PM

QUOTE(Turtle @ Sep 8 2005, 07:14 AM)

Can't you see that LIFE itself IS the GIFT.
There is an old cree saying that goes:
"When you were born you cried and the world rejoyced. Live your life so that when you die, you rejoyce and the world cries."

[right][snapback]833065[/snapback][/right]

That is really beautiful. Do you mind if I steal that? It fits in with my thoughts that you should be thought to have made a difference in the world, after you've left it.

101

Sep 8 2005, 01:11 PM

I agree Turtle that was an awesome quote.

Kismit

Sep 8 2005, 09:57 PM

QUOTE(101 @ Sep 7 2005, 01:42 AM)

Hi Heru, I wonder what would it be if we did not have morals. Even people who do not believe in Christ or a god still have morals. Their parents taught them. The world around yopu teaches you morals. even if the world is evil it is anm example of what not to do.
[right][snapback]829680[/snapback][/right]

A book well worth getting your hands on if you can. You can generally locate it in any University Book shop.

The Moral animal.

We have morals because acceptance in our community is a need that all humans crave. Those morals will differ from community to community, but basicly we will do what the majority feel is right.

zandore

Sep 8 2005, 10:35 PM

Welcome Xstortionist to the UM forum.

QUOTE(Kismit)

A book well worth getting your hands on if you can. You can generally locate it in any University Book shop.

The Moral animal.

Looks good and like it could be some heavy reading.

xstortionist

Sep 8 2005, 11:04 PM

well, this will be my first post on these forums. I thought this was a great way to intruduce myself and my beliefs. Personally I do beleve in an Alpha Omega, a superior being which has the knowledge, power, and creativity to create something so powerful as the mind itself and the universe. As far as alot of you jumping on christians, that is not the answer to the theory of "where did we originate from." "What happens after death." or "Spirituality vs Skepticism." What i have learned is some thing are not ment to be questioned. While in college a science professor once told a student who was against religion this statement; "The question you have presented to the class is not ment to be asked or answered. For every question there is an answer. You my student have asked a question that is impossible to answer without experiencing death or without being God himself. For there is a term we scientist use which is if you study Religion long enough you too will begin to believe in a God even if you wish not to."
God isn't a figment of somebodies imagination. The answer to your questions are in this statement "For every Creation there is a Creator." Nothing on this planet or in this universe just appeared out of thin air. Something created it and the proof is all around you. Just look will see creations from a creator. Common Sense is the key to the questions that boggle millions of people day to day.

zandore

Sep 8 2005, 11:15 PM

What God/Goddess/Gods/Goddesses are you refereing to?

xstortionist

Sep 8 2005, 11:25 PM

An Alpha Omega.....not one with a name. God is God. why must we give a him a name? You don't give your father a name after he and your mother created you do you? No he is referred to as Father, or Dad. The same can be used for God/goddess/ whatever you want to call it. Just i feel these fights are never ending because so many people have different opinions and look at things differently. Which is why nobody is the same, but nobody is right and nobody is wrong. But you can get great insight on what others believe, but if you believe in nothing then you have no reasoning to give a statement. Expecially if you haven't dont your research on religions. Because then you're just going by what others tell you. You can't just have an opinion abot a religion unless you've studied the religions or your apart of the religion. Athiest isn't a religion i feel it's a state of mind where you're not quiet sure why you are existing. You exist for a reason that is not to be found intil death takes it roll on you.

zandore

Sep 8 2005, 11:29 PM

When I asked what God/Goddess/Gods/Goddesses I was trying to find out what faith if any you had so I would have an idea where you were coming from.

Enzyme_Genie

Sep 8 2005, 11:49 PM

and pray tell,
where would ego fall in all this?

"materialism can be a kind of zen if you do it right"

zandore

Sep 8 2005, 11:54 PM

QUOTE

"materialism can be a kind of zen if you do it right"

"Materialism" is just a momentary thing. A passing whim.

Enzyme_Genie

Sep 8 2005, 11:54 PM

oops....suppose that was a bit of an ambiguous question
oh well lets ask it anyway.

zandore

Sep 8 2005, 11:56 PM

QUOTE

oops....suppose that was a bit of an ambiguous question
oh well lets ask it anyway

What question is that?

Enzyme_Genie

Sep 8 2005, 11:56 PM

oh....and the "zen thing"
i borrowed that from my niece....
i just like the way it sounds,lol

Enzyme_Genie

Sep 8 2005, 11:58 PM

where would ego fall in all this? (the question)

zandore

Sep 9 2005, 12:02 AM

QUOTE(Enzyme)

where would ego fall in all this? (the question)

Where would the EGO fall in religion?

Enzyme_Genie

Sep 9 2005, 12:12 AM

oops excuse the error
i have been cross posting by mistake.

is ego not what cleaves reliion?

Hydros

Oct 16 2005, 09:34 PM

This was posted on www.thinkandreason.com and although does not prove god is fake, it does pose a very good question on not how, but WHY in a christians eyes, we were created.

I usualy Post on Modern Atheist but saw this discussion from a google hit.

There is one point that you very seldom see addressed when it comes to religion, and that point is why did god make us? I mean...are we an experiment? Or did he need to create us because he was lonely? Or did he create us because he has a need to be worshipped and idolized? Why exactly would a perfect deity create something "in his image", and for what purpose?
Up above, you see the most likely rationale for doing what he supposedly did. We are either an experiment, or god needs to be worshipped, or god was lonely. No other rational explanation can be made as to the creation theory. You could try another venue and say that he created us because he had so much love to share, but that would REALLY be reaching for straws here. That would almost be tantamount to saying that god had the need to create us so that we could accept his abundance of love, or else he would have atrophied into a non-god or something similar. So the question stands, why did a deity feel the need and desire to create us?

I would have to say that either a deity would have a need to be worshipped, or he would have the need for companionship. You can't use the experiment hypothesis as that would effectively destroy all religions of the world. Seriously, would you really want to worship your deity if you knew that you were nothing more than a simple experiment? I think not.

So we are left with two plausible reasons as to why a deity created us. Yes, the reasons are plausible but the end result is not what religious people will want to hear. Why? Because if your deity has either of those two needs i.e. to be worshipped or for companionship, then he can not be construed as a perfect god. If he needs to be worshipped, then he is narcissistic. If he suffers from loneliness, then he has emotional problems (besides, he had legions of angels for company). An omnipotent and omniscient deity would not have any needs. A perfect god would not have the need to create us, and there is not one rational reason as to why he would.

So here is my last challenge before the format of this website takes another dramatic turn in its attempt to get people to wake up and think. Give me a valid reason as to why you think that your deity created us. If you believe in god and the bible, then this applies to you. But please do make an effort when answering. If you are just going to send me a silly Sunday school answer, then please save yourself the time and effort. I am looking for a totally sensible reason as to why your deity created us. And if that does not make you think, then you deserve to waste your entire life worshipping something that just does not exist.

Tangerine Sheri

Oct 16 2005, 10:38 PM

QUOTE(Hydros @ Oct 16 2005, 02:34 PM) [snapback]890271[/snapback]

This was posted on www.thinkandreason.com and although does not prove god is fake, it does pose a very good question on not how, but WHY in a christians eyes, we were created.

I usualy Post on Modern Atheist but saw this discussion from a google hit.

There is one point that you very seldom see addressed when it comes to religion, and that point is why did god make us? I mean...are we an experiment? Or did he need to create us because he was lonely? Or did he create us because he has a need to be worshipped and idolized? Why exactly would a perfect deity create something "in his image", and for what purpose?
Up above, you see the most likely rationale for doing what he supposedly did. We are either an experiment, or god needs to be worshipped, or god was lonely. No other rational explanation can be made as to the creation theory. You could try another venue and say that he created us because he had so much love to share, but that would REALLY be reaching for straws here. That would almost be tantamount to saying that god had the need to create us so that we could accept his abundance of love, or else he would have atrophied into a non-god or something similar. So the question stands, why did a deity feel the need and desire to create us?

I would have to say that either a deity would have a need to be worshipped, or he would have the need for companionship. You can't use the experiment hypothesis as that would effectively destroy all religions of the world. Seriously, would you really want to worship your deity if you knew that you were nothing more than a simple experiment? I think not.

So we are left with two plausible reasons as to why a deity created us. Yes, the reasons are plausible but the end result is not what religious people will want to hear. Why? Because if your deity has either of those two needs i.e. to be worshipped or for companionship, then he can not be construed as a perfect god. If he needs to be worshipped, then he is narcissistic. If he suffers from loneliness, then he has emotional problems (besides, he had legions of angels for company). An omnipotent and omniscient deity would not have any needs. A perfect god would not have the need to create us, and there is not one rational reason as to why he would.

So here is my last challenge before the format of this website takes another dramatic turn in its attempt to get people to wake up and think. Give me a valid reason as to why you think that your deity created us. If you believe in god and the bible, then this applies to you. But please do make an effort when answering. If you are just going to send me a silly Sunday school answer, then please save yourself the time and effort. I am looking for a totally sensible reason as to why your deity created us. And if that does not make you think, then you deserve to waste your entire life worshipping something that just does not exist.

scoobysnack

Oct 16 2005, 10:53 PM

God is real people, there I said it.

I and the rest of the world is lucky, I believe in God, if I didn't I would have fun being a very evil person. I would rape, rob, murder, and have fun doing it. I wouldn't mind taking social Darwinism into my own hands and becoming a serial killer. If I was about to get caught by one the idiots who don't want me to have free will I would kill myself so I didn't have to go to jail.

Lucky for me, and the world, I know better, and can't let myself do those things. I know this because of my research in the near death experiences. The hardest thing for me to do is good things for others. That's what I have to learn in life, how to love others.

Tangerine Sheri

Oct 16 2005, 11:04 PM

Wow that is frighteneing that if you didn't have religion you are so sure you would be a very dysfunctional person, as opposed to a better person, the irony is is that the problems we have are of a religious nature no rapists would be if your sexual nature was not told it is wrong and vulgar and only to be used to procreate , this is a very poor arguement on holding up the moronic value system of the bible, the chances of you having some sort of sexual dysfunction are gonna be real good if you follow the bible. Namaste sheri

scoobysnack

Oct 16 2005, 11:14 PM

QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Oct 16 2005, 06:04 PM) [snapback]890390[/snapback]

Wow that is frighteneing that if you didn't have religion you are so sure you would be a very dysfunctional person, as opposed to a better person, the irony is is that the problems we have are of a religious nature no rapists would be if your sexual nature was not told it is wrong and vulgar and only to be used to procreate , this is a very poor arguement on holding up the moronic value system of the bible, the chances of you having some sort of sexual dysfunction are gonna be real good if you follow the bible. Namaste sheri

Without religion, there would be no wrong. There would be no dysfunction. We would be animals not responsible for our actions. Whats wrong with stealing. Screw the victim, survival of the fittest. What's wrong with rape, If I had fun doing it. What's wrong with murder, one less mouth to feed, in this over populated world. Of couse I know it's wrong, but if I didn't have to worry about bad things happening to me, I would be a straight up Satanist, why because it's easy. It's hard to love, and always easier to hate, murder and move on. You don't have to forgive and forget.

What would be wrong with homosexuality. All you are doing is experiancing life to the fullest, and fullfiling your desires for pleasure. My pleasure is making others suffer, but I know it's wrong. But nature doesn't tell me that, God does. That's my story, and it works for me.

Stellar

Oct 16 2005, 11:31 PM

QUOTE

I and the rest of the world is lucky, I believe in God, if I didn't I would have fun being a very evil person. I would rape, rob, murder, and have fun doing it. I wouldn't mind taking social Darwinism into my own hands and becoming a serial killer. If I was about to get caught by one the idiots who don't want me to have free will I would kill myself so I didn't have to go to jail.

You're a very evil person in that case. Luckily, religion is there to put you in your place, and the rest of the atheists have something called morals.

QUOTE

Without religion, there would be no wrong. There would be no dysfunction. We would be animals not responsible for our actions. Whats wrong with stealing. Screw the victim, survival of the fittest. What's wrong with rape, If I had fun doing it. What's wrong with murder, one less mouth to feed, in this over populated world. Of couse I know it's wrong, but if I didn't have to worry about bad things happening to me, I would be a straight up Satanist, why because it's easy. It's hard to love, and always easier to hate, murder and move on. You don't have to forgive and forget.

And you religious people claim to have higher morals than atheists

And btw, you're wrong about there being no right and wrong without religion...

scoobysnack

Oct 16 2005, 11:39 PM

QUOTE(Stellar @ Oct 16 2005, 06:31 PM) [snapback]890413[/snapback]

You're a very evil person in that case. Luckily, religion is there to put you in your place, and the rest of the atheists have something called morals.
And you religious people claim to have higher morals than atheists

And btw, you're wrong about there being no right and wrong without religion...

yes and no. I know what you will probably say, but I want you to explain why stealing is bad, why is murder bad. Everything can be justified. We will just call it a war, and say the needs of our citizens override the needs of the citizens in the country we will invade. War is always fought by way of deception. See who funded the Nazis before you say we should have fought them. Wall St, and many international bankers. War is a racket.

I am not a very religious person, I have not been to church in years, and don't act very religious. I believe in God, and I fear God, but I know if I try to follow Gods word, I will be better off, then if I denied God, and did what I thought was right.

Society has much more influence on all of us, more then we want to admit.

hyperactive

Oct 16 2005, 11:48 PM

indeed scooby, as social animals our social environs have a tremendous influence on us. Moreso, even with societal differences, there is the common base of drives within all.

Now what you need to consider is the impact of your monotheistic experiences on your desire to have a 'god' in your life.

good and bad are just arbitrary terms for that which is agreeable or disagreeable to the viewer. they hold no value onto themselves, nor do any objects or actions hold these values. these values are held within the obsverver/participant. Attaching them in a frameset of false absolutes is merely an effort to define the world from your perspective but it is not 'real'.

Stellar

Oct 17 2005, 12:39 AM

QUOTE

I know what you will probably say, but I want you to explain why stealing is bad, why is murder bad.

Alright. And the best way for me to explain is this: Why do you think it is bad.

RedX

Oct 17 2005, 01:20 AM

Wow! Everyone look, its the never ending topic!!!

Tangerine Sheri

Oct 17 2005, 01:27 AM

QUOTE(Stellar @ Oct 16 2005, 05:39 PM) [snapback]890479[/snapback]

Alright. And the best way for me to explain is this: Why do you think it is bad.

Is this serious???? Namaste Sheri

Stellar

Oct 17 2005, 02:54 AM

QUOTE

Is this serious????

What do you mean "Is this serious????" Why wouldnt it be?

Tangerine Sheri

Oct 17 2005, 03:02 AM

QUOTE(Stellar @ Oct 16 2005, 07:54 PM) [snapback]890574[/snapback]

What do you mean "Is this serious????" Why wouldnt it be?

Why the need to remind each other that you shouldn't kill or lie??? I didn't read every post so i may be coming in at a odd point but Not killing is natural not lieing is natural if its not I venture to guess its taught. Namaste Sheri

Stellar

Oct 17 2005, 03:11 AM

QUOTE

Why the need to remind each other that you shouldn't kill or lie??? I didn't read every post so i may be coming in at a odd point but Not killing is natural not lieing is natural if its not I venture to guess its taught. Namaste Sheri

I think you're kind of confused with whats going on. He is asking me, someone who doesnt believe in god, what makes murder bad.

Tangerine Sheri

Oct 17 2005, 03:22 AM

QUOTE(Stellar @ Oct 16 2005, 08:11 PM) [snapback]890583[/snapback]

I think you're kind of confused with whats going on. He is asking me, someone who doesnt believe in god, what makes murder bad.

Okay well i apologize kind sir for speaking out of turn, oh and what was your response??? Namaste Sheri

Stellar

Oct 17 2005, 03:30 AM

QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Oct 17 2005, 03:22 AM) [snapback]890590[/snapback]

Okay well i apologize kind sir for speaking out of turn, oh and what was your response??? Namaste Sheri

My response was the question you quoted.

Tangerine Sheri

Oct 17 2005, 03:34 AM

namaste Sheri

skeksis

Oct 17 2005, 05:22 AM

QUOTE(aero_360 @ Aug 5 2005, 11:53 PM) [snapback]774014[/snapback]

Even though gods were made up, what about Jesus? He did a bunch of good things and everything, and he even taught about God, and he rose from the dead. That's why people started believing in God, they didn't make it up. Christianity wasn't made up, it was based on historical things.

oprah does good things.. should we start a religion about her? rose from the dead? HA! prove it. how do u know they didnt make it up? BUT.. yes it was BASED on historical things. ever seen a movie BASED on a true story? its not really accurate.. thats coz its BASED on a true story with little extra lies thrown in to make it spiffy and not so boring. so the me christianity was BASED on jesus.. but all the rest is bull***t to make it look appealing. if there is a god then let him stop me finishing this post!

another thing.. if i walked passed u every day and u said hello and i ignored u.. would u keep saying hello? somedays u drop ur books... i still ignore u.. other days u trip over.. i still ignore u.. i can see ur about to b hit by a bus but i still ignore u.. how long will it take for u to stop saying hello? coz theres no way im gonna reply.. isnt that kinda what its like talking to god? lol.. he never replies.. why? coz he isnt there!

*waits for earbashing*

Tangerine Sheri

Oct 17 2005, 07:22 AM

QUOTE(skeksis @ Oct 16 2005, 10:22 PM) [snapback]890665[/snapback]

oprah does good things.. should we start a religion about her? rose from the dead? HA! prove it. how do u know they didnt make it up? BUT.. yes it was BASED on historical things. ever seen a movie BASED on a true story? its not really accurate.. thats coz its BASED on a true story with little extra lies thrown in to make it spiffy and not so boring. so the me christianity was BASED on jesus.. but all the rest is bull***t to make it look appealing. if there is a god then let him stop me finishing this post!

another thing.. if i walked passed u every day and u said hello and i ignored u.. would u keep saying hello? somedays u drop ur books... i still ignore u.. other days u trip over.. i still ignore u.. i can see ur about to b hit by a bus but i still ignore u.. how long will it take for u to stop saying hello? coz theres no way im gonna reply.. isnt that kinda what its like talking to god? lol.. he never replies.. why? coz he isnt there!

*waits for earbashing*

good post Namaste Sheri

ShaunZero

Oct 17 2005, 11:53 AM

QUOTE

And you religious people claim to have higher morals than atheists rolleyes.gif

I'm sure alot of you claim to have higher morals than you actualy do. Let's all be honast, if there wasn't a God, it would be a tad bit easier to kill someone. If I had a good reason to kill someone(Let's say someone who killed my family), I wouldn't do it because I respect God. Now, on the other hand, I don't find it wrong to murder an evil person such as someone who killed your entire family.

IMO that doesn't make you have less morals than anyone else.

And besides, morals are only opinions.

Pontius Pilate

Oct 17 2005, 12:57 PM

QUOTE

I'm sure alot of you claim to have higher morals than you actualy do. Let's all be honast, if there wasn't a God, it would be a tad bit easier to kill someone

Only to those that take their morals from a religion (Christians, Jews, Moslems mainly), for those of us who take our morals from society, the lack of a god would not impact our morals at all. What morals we had prior to learning there was no god would continue to guide us. Only the religionists would feel such a loss that they would go on a rampage (and then be punished by those of us who followed society's morals).

ShaunZero

Oct 17 2005, 01:11 PM

*sigh*

I didn't take my morals from God. I follow his laws. Like I said, I have morals, but if I had to follow those and not God's laws I'd be more sinful. Even if God did not exist, my morals would be the same.

Actualy there are alot of murderers who don't beleive in God. And the ones that do, just don't care to follow him. They have nice morals, eh?

This whole morals thing is kinda wack. It's basically people trying to say "My morals are more peacful than yours, you're a bad person!" kinda thing.

And what's wrong with some people basing their morals on the bible? It teaches good morals. Alot of people's parents teach them morals, why's that different from the bible teaching others morals? Or friends teaching friends.

Tangerine Sheri

Oct 17 2005, 04:07 PM

zero don't you find it bizarre that you need to be part of a system that mandates morals???? Religoin doesn't even understand morals Zero what are morals ( Bigotry, is a moral hatred is a moral discrimination is a moral cruelty is a moral,) this book in a nutshell is what to do if you don't get your way, Namaste sheri

Stellar

Oct 17 2005, 07:15 PM

QUOTE

I'm sure alot of you claim to have higher morals than you actualy do.

You're right. But what I replied to was an attack on the implication that those who do not follow god are people who commit crimes such as rape, stealing murder, etc.

QUOTE

Let's all be honast, if there wasn't a God, it would be a tad bit easier to kill someone.

Really? Why do you say that? Plus, there are and were plenty of those who killed FOR god. So... plenty vs a tad... hmm, which is the better choice...?

QUOTE

If I had a good reason to kill someone(Let's say someone who killed my family), I wouldn't do it because I respect God. Now, on the other hand, I don't find it wrong to murder an evil person such as someone who killed your entire family.

And now what about respecting the law? What about killing in the name of god?

QUOTE

IMO that doesn't make you have less morals than anyone else.

But saying that the only reason you dont do something like murder or rape is because your god doesnt want you do to so does make you have less morals, because in this case, you dont have morals, you are following direction.

Miracle Alien Girl

Oct 17 2005, 11:48 PM

QUOTE(WongFeiHung @ Aug 4 2005, 09:48 PM) [snapback]773492[/snapback]

Ok, before any of you religious people come in here and start saying how I'm going to go to hell, and turned into salt or whatever, read this WHOLE thing.
(Some of the things I say here may have been posted in replies to other topics)

I believe that God is completely made up. Throughout many thousands of years and civilizations all over the globe, societies have had a God or gods. This is because they have no better explanation for misunderstood things. "There was an earthquake!!! God is angry!" "Our crops grew tall this year!!! God is pleased!" "This lady woke up from a coma!!! It's a miracle, God saved her!" And so with the common belief that god controls everything we have accepted his rule and everything he does is right. "My grandma dies!!! God did that for a reason!" and so on.

The reason that civilization made God or gods was to keep everyone in line. So many more people would resist stealing and murdering if they thought they would go to hell if they did so. Everyone would be a better person if they thought they would go to heaven for it. God was created to help people stick together and prosper. And I don't think it was a bad thing! Society might not have advanced past what middle eastern poor people have now if they didn't make it, so it was a great idea to conjure that illusion up!

And isn't it convenient that there is no way of proving any of this stuff. Is there a heaven, only the dead know. Is there a god, same answer. How do I know there is a God? You just have to believe....... That last remark is what really bugs me about religion. You just have to believe. What are we believing in? are we believing the priest that there is a God? How does HE know?? He believed a different priest and here is how the telephone game starts. You start out saying "oh Ted has a funny face", and it ends up as "Green books taste like toe jam!" There is no credibility. Religion is worse! It has gone on for thousands of years!

The ancient greeks would have sworn on their lives that there were really manticores, cyclopses and chimeras, but no we know they don't exist. And the same thing happens with christians and angels. maybe they don't see them as frequently, but they believe. If there really is a god, then the bibles MUST be false. This is a quote I got off of comedy central (tv) and i think it is true while funny. I'm not sure it is really a quote though because I don't remember it word for word. "The bible says God doesn't want me to do my sister, but it also says that adam and eve created all humanity and if they had kids, there would be no one else for them to do! Someone had to bang their sister."

I might have forgotten some stuff, but I am tired and it's like midnight here so if you Christians want to attack me now, go ahead, I'm sure there is plenty of stuff in there for you to find holes in, but once you point them out to me, I WILL fill them in.

i believe you. but im not sure what to believe anymore. im stuck. i dont want to believe in god because he might be fake. but i dont not want to believe in god because he might not be fake. oh why does this have to be. i wish this would all come to an end. so that i dont have to be stuck,confussed,frustrated,overwelmed, and wondering what if this is true or what if this is not true.

quote from a confussed mac.

RedX

Oct 17 2005, 11:52 PM

But saying that the only reason you dont do something like murder or rape is because your god doesnt want you do to so does make you have less morals, because in this case, you dont have morals, you are following direction.
[/quote]

Thats something I cant understand about them. Morals come from with in and not someone telling you to not do this or your going to burn in hell when you die. I dont kill/hurm/hurt/miss with/put down/ degrade/ talk about or abuse others because 1. I dont like/ enjoy/ find humor in/ bring myself up by or want to do these things to others and 2. I wouldnt want them to do that to me. Somethings not right if you need a book to tell you not to do those things to others

skeksis

Oct 18 2005, 01:44 AM

QUOTE(RedX @ Oct 18 2005, 09:52 AM) [snapback]891666[/snapback]

But saying that the only reason you dont do something like murder or rape is because your god doesnt want you do to so does make you have less morals, because in this case, you dont have morals, you are following direction.

god also says everyone has to send me $500 tomorrow.. or u wil burn in hell forever

lol.. its kinda like SIMON says in a way

scoobysnack

Oct 18 2005, 02:57 AM

QUOTE(RedX @ Oct 17 2005, 06:52 PM) [snapback]891666[/snapback]

But saying that the only reason you dont do something like murder or rape is because your god doesnt want you do to so does make you have less morals, because in this case, you dont have morals, you are following direction.

Thats something I cant understand about them. Morals come from with in and not someone telling you to not do this or your going to burn in hell when you die. I dont kill/hurm/hurt/miss with/put down/ degrade/ talk about or abuse others because 1. I dont like/ enjoy/ find humor in/ bring myself up by or want to do these things to others and 2. I wouldnt want them to do that to me. Somethings not right if you need a book to tell you not to do those things to others

So when you were born, you knew it was wrong to steal. Or were you taught by your parents and pressured to conform to societies standards and morals. Are you sure you came up with your morals all by yourself.

And who is responsible for the rules society has currently.

I'm really playing devils advocate here folks. I'm not really a crazy person, who wants to go out and kill.

I'm saying that God keeps me in check. It's always in the back of my mind. It would make it a lot easier to not believe in God, because there would be nothing to worry about.

What do non belivers worship instead of God? Nothing, money, pleasure...?

jjtss

Oct 18 2005, 03:47 AM

For all of his mathematical brilliance, Einstein was forced to use a slack variable in his equations that he called a "fudge factor". So as 2006 approaches (Bible code about nuclear war) and 2012 (end of civilization) approaches, pray real hard to "Dear Heavenly Fudge Factor" for survival guidance and maybe even salvation as people did at the end of the third sun. Yes virgil and virginia, there really is a God.

mako

Oct 18 2005, 11:51 AM

QUOTE

pray real hard to "Dear Heavenly Fudge Factor"

naw, I'll just keep living my life as normal, I have seen "end-of-the-world" fads come and go and the Biblical Codes is just another one and just a accurate as the predecesors and just as accurate as those to follow - in other words, just more male bovine manure!

ShaunZero

Oct 18 2005, 11:54 AM

QUOTE

zero don't you find it bizarre that you need to be part of a system that mandates morals???? Religoin doesn't even understand morals Zero what are morals ( Bigotry, is a moral hatred is a moral discrimination is a moral cruelty is a moral,) this book in a nutshell is what to do if you don't get your way, Namaste sheri

Sigh, either you didn't read my post or you're purposeley nagging me. Didn't you read when I said the bible doesn't give me my morals? It gives me laws to follow. Do America's laws give you your morals? ^^

ShaunZero

Oct 18 2005, 11:56 AM

QUOTE

But saying that the only reason you dont do something like murder or rape is because your god doesnt want you do to so does make you have less morals, because in this case, you dont have morals, you are following direction.

No it does not mean they have less morals. It means that not murdering(given the right cirumstances) isn't one of them. They may have many others.

And let's say someone does have less Morals? So what? Doesn't mean it'll be only christians without it. Why do you follow America's laws? Same reason we follow God's. Has nothing to do with morals really.

Fluffybunny

Oct 18 2005, 11:58 AM

QUOTE

What do non belivers worship instead of God? Nothing, money, pleasure...?

Who says anyone has to "worship" anything?