First and foremost, let me say that those who believe 9/11 was solely a terrorist act, with absolutely no involvment in respect to the Bush Administration needs to perform their own independent research and open their eyes. Organizations predominantly in the U.S. take the word of the 9/11 Commission's Final Report as the Holy Grail to 9/11, to best understand what led up to the attacks we need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. AKA The person who posted the article by "Popular Mechanics", isn't exactly a trustworthy source IMO, although I could be wrong.

PNAC, Project for the New American Century, stands, as a non-profit educational organization whose goal is to promote American global leadership into the 21st century.

I'll quote, what was stated by the Cheney Defense Department, during Bush I. "At present the United States faces no global rival. America's grand strategy should aim to preserve and extend this advantageous position as far into the future as possible."

What does that sentence mean to you? Think about it, long and hard what your now Vice-President quoted back in 92'. It means absolutely one thing. A future where the United States will dominate the globe. Oh.. btw.. guess who serves as one of the founders, and directors of this organization? John R. Bolton, yep, that's right, the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, what better way to promote PNAC's goal, then to put Mr. Bolton in the front seat to a global audience? Irony at it's finest.

For the "naysayers", check out http://www.newamericancentury.org , i'm sure this will change your mind.

I'm going to try to post this in sections, when I can, as I believe it's important for everyone to know the truth about the Bush Administration's final goal.

Bush is the devil.lol
Same old song different day.

Your not American are you?

Bush=

here we go with the 1 liner quote replies, from the usual suspects, I might add. don't let the kool-aid drinkers deter you into thinking everyone here is a sheep with no personal opinions other than what's prevelant in the mainstream pop culture control arm, who refuse to investigate facts , HiddenTruth.

try de-progamming yourself and actually listen and read what he's got to say. if you don't believe what someone says, what's the logical thing to do? no, not attack their personal beleifs under some thin insulting cliche veil. the logical thing to do is to check out what's being proposed (*gasp* research!) and if the evidence supports it, run with it. if the evidence doesn't support it, then go ahead and call him an idiot.

WHO STANDS TO GAIN

it's not osama bin laden and his islamic jihad.

WHO STANDS TO GAIN

thats what most people refuse to look at.

Look at what has been gained already????

Most look at it as a teribble terrorist attack, they are right! but to what gains? Did Osama really have a long term benefit for this attack? NO Did he have a short term benefit? NO

What did Osama do that benefited his cause?

Oh wait

1. homeland security,ya maybe
2. invasion of afganisatn
3. invasion of Iraqi
4. the theft of Iraqi oil supplies
5. the lose of his drug trade
6. A permanent base of U.S. military
7. the crack down in the middle east
8. the lose of his family?
9. the friendship with the bush's
10. the rest of his life,what it may be.

He had help and there is no way to say he didn't,from inside or outside the U.S. government.

Mike, I definetly appreciate your comments. I learned long ago, there's 2 things that the majority of Americans do not do, #1. Listen, #2. Read. Then there's the educated such as yourself, who justify their opinion and choose not to troll CNN as their "ultimate" news source.

Where should I start. Well, today I'll let you in on some information regarding US Interests in Afghanistan, where they stem from before 9/11, and why we should hold suspicion today. Please keep in mind ALL of the information i'm posting is FACTUAL, if you look at it, and choose not to believe it, WITHOUT doing your OWN research, you are merely being complicit with the majority of your population, returning to what we did as a kid, covering your ears when you don't want to hear the truth. It's a tough reality, but it's our duty to examine the evidence, and come to a conclusion, it's unfortunate the supposedly "bi-partisan" 9/11 Commission didn't do the same.

You might have heard of a company called "Unocal", if you haven't check it out http://www.unocal.com/aboutucl/index.htm . More recently, however, in August of this year, Unocal and Chevron (which i'm assuming the majority of americans will be aware of) declared a merger, with Unocal becoming a Chevron sister company.

Unocal inked a deal in October of 1997, http://www.unocal.com/uclnews/97news/102797a.htm to sign onto a project hence known as CentGAS (Central Asia Gas Pipeline Ltd.) Now, in order for CentGAS to complete its goal, it was absolutely necessary for part of the pipeline to be constructed through, Afghanistan. During this time, the U.S. Government was in close talks with Pakistani officials and the Taliban to see this happen, unfortunately, since the Northern Alliance headed by General Ahmed Shah Masood (If you aren't famaliar with this name you soon will be, and realize why it's relevant), still had a firm grasp on the province of Mazar-i-Sharif, which, CentGAS required to succeed in completing the pipeline project. Please note at this point, construction hasn't started. Now, here's where it starts to get interesting.

During the following year, July 1998, the Taliban finally succeeded in reclaiming the province of Mazar-i-Sharif, almost immeadiately following (there are numerous articles to backup my statement) CentGAS announced it was "ready to proceed". Ironically, as sure as the second hand on your clock moves, one month later, on August 7, 1998, US Embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania were attacked. http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/ops/98emb.htm . Thereafter we know, the Clinton Administration, ordered attacks on al-Qaeda training camps based in Afghanistan.

Let's fast forward to July 2001. A 4-day meeting was held in Berlin (Sponsored by the United Nations) between three former, U.S. Officials, Tom Simons, Karl Inderfurth and Lee Coldren and Pakistani ISI (Intelligence), and also Russian intelligence officals, to discuss Afghanistan. Although, at this particular meeting, the Taliban was not present (boycotting due to a degrading relationship with the U.S.) they were informed through the Pakistani ISI of the meetings results. At the time, Pakistan's Foreign Secretary, Niaz Naik, was informed by the U.S. Officials present that military action to overthrow the Taliban in Afghanistan is planned to “take place before the snows started falling in Afghanistan, by the middle of October at the latest.” The goal is to kill or capture both bin Laden and Taliban leader Mullah Omar, topple the Taliban regime, and install a transitional government of moderate Afghans in its place.

However, with the crumbling relationship with the Taliban, the U.S. needed an ally, the Northern Alliance was that ally. Fast forward to Sept 9th, 2001, 2 days prior to 9/11, General Ahmed Shah Masood (Remember, Commander of the Northern Alliance) was killed by a supposed plot against him by al-Qaeda, a suicide attack. The accepted story explains two men disguised as journalists planned an interview with General Masood on Sept 9th, and he was subsequently assasinated. Ironically, little was known about the two gentlemen that carried out this plot, their country of origin was pure speculation. Their identities never revealed.

First when I started doing this research I tried to understand why General Masood was killed, what was the motive? Why would anyone, even the U.S., want him killed? He was as a matter of fact in charge of the most powerful rebel group in Afghanistan (Northern Alliance), which sought to overthrow the Taliban, the exact group the U.S. shared the same goal.

The evidence, my friends comes back to the CentGAS pipeline project. Remember the company I spoke about earlier our friends at Unocal? Well, General Masood had already signed a deal with an Argentina based oil-company, Bridas, when the Northern Alliance was finally able to take back power from the Taliban. Hence, Bridas, not Unocal, would be given the Afghanistan pipeline section of the CentGAS project. As you might imagine, losing a multi-billion dollar deal, did not sit well with Unocal, nor, the american government.

Motive for an assassination plot? I'll leave that up to you to decide. There are dozens upon dozens of documents that tie the Sept 9th 2001 assassination of General Masood to not al-Qaeda, but in fact members of the Pakistani ISI.

For those of you who are not yet convinced, then I present you with another case. Why, one week prior to 9/11, Sept 4th to be precise, were there meetings between Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad, Director of the Pakistani ISI at the time (he later resigned under mysterious circumstances one year later, after serving only two years beside his close friend President Pervez Musharraf, which is mysterious in itself) and members of the Bush Administration including the President himself? Coincidence? I suppose so, along with all the other documentation I've presented so far.

Time for the icing on the cake. Both, President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan and Dr. Zalmay Khalilzad chosen by President Bush, as part of a special envoy to Afghanistan, later promoted to US Ambassador to Afghanistan and now US Ambassador to Iraq were advisors to Unocal, during the mid to late 90's EXACTLY the same time in which Unocal inked the deal to sign onto the CentGAS pipeline project. *Ironically*, Dr. Khalilzad is also a member of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) and was one of the signers of the January 26, 1998, PNAC Letter sent to US President Bill Clinton.

I only ask you to read what I've wrote with an open mind, whether Democratic or Republican.

Is this the type of world we want our children to grow up in?

If thats what you wish to think about the Government thats fine.. Its called freedom.. But what gives you the right to think that also gives us the right to think you guys are wrong...You say we need to open our eye's.. Fine you need to open your soul and remember how many people died that day!.. PS: You guys are getting old with this mess, If you have so much prove why has no one been able to really prove it?.. Look alot of people died that day, How about having some respect and let it go untill you can really show where Bush did anything wrong..

Why are you so defensive about bush huh ISIS?
He said things about Clinton as well, but you didn't comment on that now did you?
What does that say about you, and him? Who is biased?

even if bush has nothing to do with all this crap, he is still not a good president. I was too young to know anything firsthand about clinton, but I know that Bush and Kerry suck.

some of you guys should study a little Hitler and a little Stalin. Not directly related to what is being talked about here, though It would make you understand why you must do your own research. You can't trust the news. Just think in your head... "what is the fastest way to change a whole lot of people?" that is the way they would use. That is the way they do use.

ISIS the people who lost family members need to remember the people who died? They do, which is why they must find the truth. You people are not making any sense. In a murder case the family of the victom want the murderer caught, found quilty, and sentenced for there actions. That is the only closure they will get. Sucks, but that is life.

Keep the posts coming Hidden Truth you are aiding my research very nicely.

-MuddyFrog

PNAC is but one of many areas that implicate the US Gov't (or elements within it). It outlines the intentions of the authors who once in power have followed the plan to a tee - desire of a "new Pearl Harbor", leading to conflict and occupation in the Middle East.

Add to that - deliberately snuffing out information from Robert Wright, Colleen Rowley, and others in the FBI. Lying about every single facet of the official 9/11 conspiracy theory. Confiscating evidence (Pentagon videos, ATC tapes) and suppressing their release. Destroying evidence (WTC steel), conducting a disgustingly bogus investigation (9/11 Commission Report, thoroughly trashed by David Ray Griffin), and on and on.

To discuss and question your governments plans and actions isnt unpatriotic or the crazy ramblims of conspiracy nuts,so why the denial and sarcastic defence of Bush?
The PNAC is fact.Its in your faces people.WAKE UP!
Is it just a coincidence that a "new pearl harbour(911)" occured,just like the plans in the guide book.
Even if Bush had no prior knoledge and there is no cover up the event is being taken advantage of which is sick.
Its sad to think on that terrible day a few people were rubbing their hands with glee thinking of all the money and power they could gain.

What are you trying to argue exactly? Yes, 9/11 was a tragedy, I never denied that fact, as a human being it would be wrong to think otherwise. How many Palestinians were killed by the Israeli military, THOUSANDS. How many Israeli's were killed by Palestinian suicide bombers, THOUSANDS. How many Iraqi civilians were killed by the U.S. invasion and thus occupation of Iraq THOUSANDS. How many MILLIONS died in WWI/WWII/Korea/etc. When anyone dies its always a "tragedy". Whether you strap on a bomb, pickup a gun, fly a plane into a building, it's all WRONG. Who should be the one in front of the war tribunal commission, Saddamn Hussein? If you want to play the number game, your President George W. Bush, should be on the top of that list. AMERICA IS NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. There is no such thing! We are all EQUALS. When will people like you realize this?!?!!?! Defending your country?? Against an agressor that's IMPOSSIBLE to stop? There is no "warplan" to kill terrorism do you realize this? NO. Terrorism has existed in many forms since the dawn of mankind, there is no magic pill. I'm sure EVERY country on the planet has people who ideolize some form of terrorism. According to your President's agenda, that sounds like a green light to take on any country when and if he chooses to.

Do you understand?? Will you ever understand the other side of the coin? Or will you continue to support your governments global view, and therefore supporting PNAC? Do you think I made it up? Do you think someone else did? Are you afraid to read? Do you not want to hear the truth? Everything I've presented Isis is factual. The only coverup lies with the heads of state in Washington.

Today was Remembrance Day in Canada, I live in the Capital city of Ottawa. World War II was a justified war. The "War on Terror" is not.

Maybe some day you will realize, maybe not.

We are all equal Isis, war is war, killing is killing. The rich get richer, whilst the poor get poorer.

Feel bad for the homeless person on the street? This is what the majority of the population of the world deal with everyday.

If we can't change the world, at least we tried.

12 people named below who organized a group that is demanding answers to unanswered questions. Their are questions directed to Bush, Cheney, and others...

http://www.911independentcommission.org/members.html

The link below is an article

Peter Miller
65th Floor, One World Trade Center
World Trade Center Survivors’ Network

As far as we can tell the 9/11 Commission has yet to listen to at least one important group -- the survivors of the attacks. The World Trade Center Survivors’ Network was formed by a group of people who were in the World Trade Center on September 11th 2001. We are gravely concerned about the hearings last week in New York City, and the role in which the Commission cast survivors. The hearings ignored those who were in the buildings and survived, other than using survivors' accounts to criticize uniformed forces and building systems.


http://www.survivorsnet.org/writings/story1.html

Below is an letter to Bush written by 4 people who lost family members on 9/11. Among the letter are comments such as....

"We ask you to stop playing politics with the 9/11 attacks....We call upon you today to publicly acknowledge that your administration's statements have misled the American people"

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0216-09.htm

These are just a few of the many people who either survived 9/11 or lost loved ones that day. They have been speaking out for over four years demanding answers from Bush, and seeking an independent investigation into 9/11, because the official report has been seen for the complete farce it is.

They paid the greatest price on 9/11, and they deserve to know the truth. We all do.

Bush and his cronies have used 9/11 and the 3000 innocent people who died to their benefit for over 4 years now. They have refused to answer the questions asked them for 4 years. They have lied about 9/11 and through their deception, sent thousands of Americans to die in Iraq - all for their selfish and twisted desires.

To remain quiet about uncovering the truth about 9/11 is akin to letting a mass murderer go free, and to not care about it. I do care, and that's why I and others are raising our objections to this travesty of justice.

Think about this...If we were attacked because we are the brightest beacon for freedom and opportunity, why attack something you admire ? Are the 'terrorists' jealous of the USA ?
If this is the fact, there would be many more attacks from 'terrorists' from many different countries. People in Honduras, Dhaka, Ethiopia, etc., etc., the poorest countries in the world, why don't they attack us ? They don't have the money to buy the weapons ? Where does the money come from ? ...

QUOTE

All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise, not from defects in their Constitution or Confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, so much as from the downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation.
-John Adams

The facts are beginning to unravel like a tattered historical quilt...



Dang, Lincoln was psychic ...








http://www.newamericancentury.org/

Things are getting very strange around here

HiddenTruth,
Do you know of any people who may be starting their own community of like-minded people? I am seriously considering dropping out of society until corporate America is transformed Until then...
in Light and Love, Me_Again...poor in wealth, but rich in soul

[Do you know of any people who may be starting their own community of like-minded people? I am seriously considering dropping out of society until corporate America is transformed Until then...
in Light and Love, Me_Again...poor in wealth, but rich in soul
[/quote]

Well, I guess you will be dropping out forever, because corporate American is not changing. Greed is not necessarly a bad thing.

Oh, don't you worry about me, honey. Nothing is forever and forever is nothing
I will forever be something because I am someone. Nothing lasts forever, not even greed

Wow this is hilarious! BTW great post HiddenTruth! Fools will be fools untill the hammer stroke falls upon them! Somebody actually asked if you wasn't american... Aww man this is too funny. Such dense minds, we are most certainly doomed if these peeps represent the majority thought! WAKE UP!

Solaris7, that is so true ^ see some people have the extreme greed syndrome, which is understandable ....

Unfourntuatley, for them this isn't the majority thought because most of the world lives in poverty. Corporate America is changing
P.S. BTW, I'm still searching for like-minded people to start a commune with

I lived in the United States as a citizen for 39 years of my life. I served in its military and paid my taxes. I believed that the substance of the American way of life was good and just. And then things changed. I started to see the erosion of the rights of citizens. I saw greater powers being given to a government that saw no distinction between intrusion and vigilance. I saw corporate executives jailed for corruption with the defense department but not one general was charged. America no longer was the defender of human rights, it was the aggressor imposing its personal political message upon the world. A archaic system was used to place an un-elected man into the presidency and yet no one called for the abolishment of the electoral college. The government maintains it tools to manipulate and corrupt.

I left it. I went to where I believed I could find peace and I did so because it was apparent that I could change nothing in the United States. I abandoned nothing. I was abandoned by the system.

What about the problems with corruption and drugs they have in Mexico?
You went from the frying pan into the fire.

Ever heard of supply and demand? And where is the demand? If the U.S. had not lost the war on drugs a generation ago, there would be no drug pipeline from Latin America. At the same time, the United States has the audacity to want to "certify" Latin American nations for the quality of their "War on Drugs." You don't see drug dealers on corners in Mexico like you do in Washington, D.C. The truth is that the people are poor and can't afford to buy drugs. They can, however, get rich quick by taking them to the U.S. where there are literally millions of users and addicts ready to buy them.

As far as corruption, there is no comparison. If I run a red light here I give the cop fifty pesos and we both go on our way. In the U.S. I get a ticket, lose a day's work to go to court, get a fine, my insurance goes up and my boss is angry with me. All the while my fifty-peso-corruption deal is being compared to three thousand dollar hammers being sold to the Defense Department.

Corruption is corrupiton. Doesn't matter how you want to put it. Also the huge sex slave trade is a wonderful thing in Mexico. I guess all the illegals coming to the US really want to go home.Not.keep believing what you want, but the US is still the best place to work, play, and raise childeren. Also on another post you said you would open your house for one to stay and see paranormal things. I would be willing to do that.

I made this myself. click the link first. Pretty good huh?

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...e=post&id=21009

http://www.churchofsatan.com/home.html

I just wanted to see if this would work.













Are all these people Texas longhorns fans? I don't think so. Like every symbol, it can have many meanings. It means I love you in American sign language.

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