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Exeter
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It seems that the Y-chromosome in humans is decaying and is headed for extinction. Better live it up while you can guys, we only have 125, 000 years left! crying.gif
Nethius
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Bizarro
its always easiest to make postulations about the future. it requires little proof because both you and your critics will not exist to find out.

im sure men will continue to exist. nature finds a way.
emmy
tongue.gif OH WELL....
Blood Angel
For one night only entrance to my domain is free, buy a wristband and ride all day.

this kinda reminds me of a episode of the outer limits.
Seraphina
baka... tongue.gif

Let me ask you just one question...why would the male population in humans be predicted to die out, while all the other animals in the world are fine and dandy with the survival of each gender?

Maybe because we're the only species with militant feminists poking their way into the test results rolleyes.gif
Blood Angel
huh.gif did you just insult me in japanese dontgetit.gif
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Seraphina
No, I insulted that theory in japanese cool.gif If I wanted to insult a person in japanese, I would have said "toroi hiretsukan" wink2.gif
Benjo Koolzooie
QUOTE (emmy @ Aug 19 2003, 08:51 PM)
tongue.gif OH WELL....

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sarkypi
Actually, it's not too far fetched. In college, one teachers told me that many anthropoligists were surprised the male population was dominant in almost all cultures, especially tribes.
The reason......... women procreate, men do not.
So a women could give birth to male children and kill them instead of breeding her oppresser. The women of course would keep a few males around to get some seed, and kill the the men after donation , and only let the female babies live to rule the WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! original.gif
Cufflink
QUOTE (sarkypi @ Sep 21 2003, 08:02 AM)
So a women could give birth to male children and kill them instead of breeding her oppresser.  The women of course would keep a few males around to get some seed, and kill the the men after  donation , and only let the female babies live to rule the WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! original.gif

Am I the only one who finds that statement both terrifying and vaguely arousing at the same time? blink.gif

I am?

Ah... blush.gif

I'll get my coat. whistling2.gif
sarkypi
QUOTE (Cufflink @ Sep 21 2003, 08:10 AM)
QUOTE (sarkypi @ Sep 21 2003, 08:02 AM)
So a women could give birth to male children and kill them instead of breeding her oppresser.  The women of course would keep a few males around to get some seed, and kill the the men after  donation , and only let the female babies live to rule the WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! original.gif

Am I the only one who finds that statement both terrifying and vaguely arousing at the same time? blink.gif


Don't worry.....
I'll let you live Cufflink wub.gif original.gif whistling2.gif
Cufflink
QUOTE (sarkypi @ Sep 21 2003, 08:21 AM)
Don't worry.....
I'll let you live Cufflink wub.gif  original.gif  whistling2.gif

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"The future's so bright, I gotta wear shades..." cool.gif wub.gif
Seraphina
Um...I think you missed some of the deals like...predators...and...hunting...and...so on. Men are evolved to do that kind of thing. A society populated completely by women would be floundering in many areas (especially the sciences), just like a society without women would flounder in others (teaching, languages and, of course, there would be a massive chocolate surplus).

As much as modern standards try and teach you men and women are the same...we're not tongue.gif We're wired up very differently from the lads to favour specific tasks, and even in today's world, we need each other in order to move forward as a society.

Oh, and there is just one...more thing...about the...killing all the guys thing...doesn't confuse me that they didn't do that...evolution and preconditioning aside...take a look at the size of the average man, and then the average women, and you'll figure out why guys started out on top wacko.gif

I...uh...could go out and try and kill all the guys but...I think the first one I tried it on would knock the crap out of me tongue.gif
sarkypi
QUOTE (Seraphina @ Sep 21 2003, 10:17 AM)



take a look at the size of the average man, and then the average women, and you'll figure out why guys started out on top wacko.gif

That is why you start out with the wee ones.
Seraphina
So, what you're saying it, you're surprised that mothers did not conspire to kill their male children? Siblings? Parents? A mother is more likely to kill the entire tribe in an effort to protect her child, male or female.

The whole arguement is confusing human beings with bees...it's not how we work, and the fact is, women of the time also didn't think the way militant feminists do. Their job was to protect the nest, men's job was to go out and kill things.

It actually scares me that some anthropoligists...who are supposed to have a degree in anthropoligy...have so little understanding of human behaviour. tongue.gif
Elizabethleawilson
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It actually scares me that some anthropoligists...who are supposed to have a degree in anthropoligy...have so little understanding of human behaviour.


I agree laugh.gif
but what about men dying out? I would like to know WHY the "y" chromosome is decaying. Anyone know?
Engulf
QUOTE (sarkypi @ Sep 21 2003, 08:02 AM)
The reason......... women procreate, men do not.  
So a women could give birth to male children and kill them instead of breeding her oppresser.  The women of course would keep a few males around to get some seed, and kill the the men after  donation , and only let the female babies live to rule the WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! original.gif

crying.gif crying.gif

you're not far away from that...'what u call' spider.after they make wub.gif ,the female turns the male into some meal.you're mean crying.gif ,so mean crying.gif wahahaha!! crying.gif (covers the face with cloth and runs away,only to trip on something later)

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Blood Angel
Right, before this starts into a gender war that will engulf the entire planet in mindless destruction, this message goes to the ladys. Sure i'll procreate, but touch me with any type of stick/blade/gun/nuclearwarhead afterwards, and i'll go postal, you can try certainly but i'll just go matrix style on your asses. Whatever happned to the expression make love not war?
Kaj
Yes Blood....
Let´s love each other...
GhostShark
i saw this in a twilight zone episode where there is a world of only women who use men as sex drones and then kill them or something......
anybody read Y the comic book bout the guy and the monkey who are the only males left one earth after a virus kills the rest of the males off?
well in the future maybe there will be only one gender w/ asexual reproduction
but wheres the fun in that?
Seraphina
I don't think the Y chromosome IS dying out...I've yet to hear about this anywhere else...
sarkypi
Seraphina,

The main point of my first post was that women procreate, men do not, therefore, it is possible to have a world with out men. It may not be the same world that we know, but life could go on. Men cannot procreate, therefore if something happened to all the women, life would cease to exist.

The only one that has made comparisions to animals and militant feminists are you.
In tribes and modern society, it is not so black and white..... women do more then protect the nest and men do more than hunt and kill things. You do not have to be a modern day militant feminist to go about killing your male young.
There is a tribe (I forget the name) that is pretty much dying out. They have been exposed to aids. At the age of 6, (if you live that long) you are on your own to hunt, kill, find shelter. It does not matter if you are a boy or girl. There is no mother, father or other tribe members to protect you. It is every man, woman, child for themselves. This tribe also laughs at each other's pain, suffering, etc. The mothers of this tribe are not considered to be militant feminists. In China, mother and fathers abandon their daughters. Daughter are not as valued as males. These daughter are left in cribs, carrycots etc, and no one lets them out to learn to crawl or walk. There are tribes (I think the Yanomami are one of these tribes) where sometimes fathers have sex with their daughters. It is considered a very special relationship if your father choose to do this with you. These are cultural differences. All these cultures, have defined human compassion differently.

Anthropoligists studies these cultural differences, to understand human behavour. They are obligated to study human behaviour objectively. They can not interfere.

Depending where you live, and what society has deemed acceptable a mother may not be more likely to kill the entire tribe in an effort to protect her child, male or female.

So in answer to your question
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So, what you're saying it, you're surprised that mothers did not conspire to kill their male children? Siblings? Parents?



I will restate what I stated in my first post. The idea is not so farfetched.

To any one reading this. I am not a militant feminist, nor do I advocate throwing rocks to your head. I love all you males, I do I do. wub.gif

Now for a new theory,
Did anyone ever think that maybe why you boys are becoming extinct is because
1. More male babies are born into the world, BUT more male babies die in infancy.
2. The gestation period for a human is 9 months, and it is not common to have
multiple births, so more women would be neccessary to keep life going.
3. A males role in reproduction is minimal. Heck even now we have sperm banks.


I never seen the twilight episode, but there is a good Hitchcock. With Cloris Leachman. Someone hypnotises her and her mind is transported into the future.
No men are around, and women have adopted the lifestyle of ants, complete with breeders, workers, etc. The women that were breeders spent there life in bed, being pampered and giving birth to several babies at once. They were huge round women, who could not walk. They were round as blueberries. All the men died from this futuristic rat poison, I think.
dancin'hamster
*wonders if Anne Summers' will invent something that mows lawns as well*

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Hammy x x x
Engulf
QUOTE (sarkypi @ Sep 22 2003, 11:21 AM)
I love all you males, I do I do. wub.gif

aw... wub.gif (i trust you sarkypi original.gif )
Exeter
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but what about men dying out? I would like to know WHY the "y" chromosome is decaying. Anyone know?


The reason may be because women have a mirrored pair of X chromosome, while men only have a single Y chromosome. If one X chromosome is damaged, it can "pair" itself with the other X chromosome and repair itself. Since the Y chromosome has no mirrored pair, it cannot do this, and any damage it recieves is accumilated through time.

Here is another link.
Seraphina
Just...one thing...sure, women procreate...but I heard this crazy rumour they can't do it alone tongue.gif The continuation of the species is no less dependant on men than it is one women.

Certainly, we do have sperm banks...but the sperm has to come from somewhere, and what is currently stored is not going to remain useable forever...even if it was, it wouldn't be a very good idea...the gene pool would be shot to hell...

Assuming cloning ever advances to the stage where we can simply "make" people, then there's no need for women either...babies could likely be grown in a lab, in artificial conditions, without the need of a womb...and given that the sciences are dominated by men, I wonder which gender that favours...

Exeter
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The continuation of the species is no less dependant on men than it is one women.


I agree, Seraphina.

The theory is not about whether or not women can reproduce asexually, but rather, if the Y chromosome in males will eventually become extinct.

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The new genome finding, reported in the journal Nature, suggests that the Y chromosome's "hall of mirrors" may allow it to -- in genetic terms -- have sex with itself and avoid extinction.


Some geneticists, however, theorize that this is only prolonging the inevitable. They feel that eventually the Y chromosome will not be able to continue to repair itself and will die out. And that means humankind as well.

I may be stoned to death for saying this, but we, you and I and all the other people in the world, are simply another species on this planet. We are governed by the laws of nature and are in no way exempt from the possibility of natural extinction.

Now, as you say, we may find some way of continuing our species by cloning, or some other as-yet undiscovered medical technique. But, if we don't, we go the way of the trilobite.

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...and given that the sciences are dominated by men, I wonder which gender that favours...


Actually, us guys may not be around to have a say in the matter. After all, we only have about 100,000 years left. tongue.gif
Seraphina
Quite frankly...I think we'll have found a way round this in 5 years at most, let alone 125'000 tongue.gif Looking at the rate with which science is advancing....I don't think I'd be too worried. thumbsup.gif
sarkypi

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Just...one thing...sure, women procreate...but I heard this crazy rumour they can't do it alone  The continuation of the species is no less dependant on men than it is one women.


I never said they could do it alone. If you had read my first and second post, I stated their role is minimal. That is why women would only have to keep them
around until they donated. tongue.gif



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(sarkypi @ Sep 22 2003, 11:21 AM) I love all you males, I do I do.


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(engulf @Sep 22 2003, 05:26 PM) aw...  (i trust you sarkypi  )


Ahhh, between Cufflink and you Engulf how's a girl to choose? wub.gif original.gif
thesupernatural
Wow!, how refreshing to hear a women being honest about the subject.You hit the nail on the head there seraphina.Men and women are simply not the same.Men are stronger than women, but that doesnt mean we are better, infact we're not, just different.We all have our part to play in the circle of life, and as far the male race being extinct.....do me a favour, lol.That's just making converation for the sake of it.
Seraphina
I'm telling the truth because I'm not a feminist. I think women HAVE equality, and what feminists seem to demand nowadays is superiority tongue.gif
Cufflink
QUOTE (Seraphina @ Sep 23 2003, 06:32 PM)
I'm telling the truth because I'm not a feminist. I think women HAVE equality, and what feminists seem to demand nowadays is superiority tongue.gif

Wise words, Seraphina. clap.gif
Orgirl69
I don't think women should even TRY to be equal or superior. Sounds weird coming from a girl, I know, but think about this: Women, as a whole are just better at some things than most males, likewise, Men are just better at some things than most women. Why would women, or men for that matter, try to be equal or superior at all things? THAT would never happen, because by nature we are not equal OR superior OR inferior, just DIFFERENT!!! laugh.gif

For example, can you imagine all the women you know becoming infantrypersons? Mom taking up an M-16 to storm Baghdad? I know there are perfectly trained female soldiers, but an entire army of them? WHATEVER! In defense of women everywhere, the worst place to be is between a mother and her children...

An even better example: Can you imagine most of the men you know giving birth? Ever seen a guy with a cold? Or better yet, a kidney stone? My guy is a tough guy, but he's praying for death when he gets a headache...can't imagine him with menstrual cramps. EEEK! ohmy.gif But is his defense, there is no place I'd rather be than curled up next to him on a stormy night.

I don't think the Y-chromosome is going anywhere, but I do think the emasculation of men is going on on a daily basis...if that's what they mean by the disappearance of the Y-chromosome, then I think it will be sooner than 125,000 years! rolleyes.gif

Seraphina
lol, agreed...geez, there's actually a law over here that says 50% of MPs, regardless of ability, qualifications, experience, or any such thing, HAVE to be women...am I the only one that would rather have people in there who can do the job best, and give seats to whoever deserves them based on that, than making sure the ratio works out 'just right' to make all the campaigners happy? rolleyes.gif

In any event, social equality I don't mind...which again, I think we have (with the exception that women can say and think whatever they like about men, but if a man says or thinks what he likes about women, he's considered a "pig"). In employment though, it's just not practical...we're wired for different tasks, and enducating children that we ARE the same, and that we ARE as capable at everything....yeah, I think you're right.

Thanks to the universal education system, it's all turned on it's head...will say this though *looks around* there's this school in england where test questions are geared towards gender....guys get questions about measuring the dimensions of a technicians table, or the distance travelled over time by a truck....girls get questions about the dimensions of a garden and so on. Different items, but with the same figures and calculations to be done.

So far, the test results for both genders are actually higher than average in the 'universal system' tongue.gif You might be right...maybe the way we're being brought up IS wiping out the Y chromosome ohmy.gif Men and women just can't think like each other.
lil_kanga77
If it does happen though, does that mean the human race will then be asexual?

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Kaj
Does this include animal males too????
Or is it only humans?

Seraphina
It seems humans are the only ones being hilighted...which is why I think it's rubbish. Why on earth would human Y chromosomes be going down the tube, while every other species is fine? tongue.gif

The Y chromosome has been around for millions upon millions of years....I doubt very much it's suddenly going to decide "hey, I think I'll just die" rolleyes.gif
Kaj
QUOTE (Seraphina @ Sep 24 2003, 09:04 PM)
It seems humans are the only ones being hilighted...which is why I think it's rubbish. Why on earth would human Y chromosomes be going down the tube, while every other species is fine? tongue.gif

The Y chromosome has been around for millions upon millions of years....I doubt very much it's suddenly going to decide "hey, I think I'll just die" rolleyes.gif

Maybe it gots it´s ups and downs.... original.gif
*MoG*
I remember reading a book about a lesbian fertility expert that made babies using only female eggs for lesbian couples. She would strip one egg to the nucleus and insert it into the other egg to fertalise it and the baby would be both parents and of course the sex would be a girl.

So if men do die out, perhaps this is a possible solution to the problem. Don't get me wrong, I love men and I have a son, so I'm not some raving lesbo man hater, just perhaps science would find a way around it.
Seraphina
That doesn't make any sense...if only one of the cells had a nucleus then it would only be getting half the compliment of chromosomes it needed...

You're talking about somatic fusion though. That's been done in plants, true, but animal cells are very different...egg and sperm cells (in humans) only have 23 chromosomes each, as opposed to the 46 in body cells...the full compliment is made by combining the 23 of the sperm and egg....so what the lesbian women is proposing is a human with 23 chromosomes...I don't think that zygote would live too long...
*MoG*
I get your point, but if there are 23 chromosomes in the nucleus and 23 in the unfertalised egg that it is inserted into, doesn't that make a full complement of chromosomes?

sarkypi
Yes, I have heard about the lesbian baby expert. They are working on it for gay men as well. I think, I read out it in the gay mag BUST. I think that's the name of the mag. Haven't read it in a few years. And, if I remember correctly it only comes out 4 times a years. I'm not sure how I feel about it, tho. Why go thru, all that trouble when there are other ways to have a kid.
Seraphina
QUOTE (Mystic Mog @ Oct 3 2003, 08:27 AM)
I get your point, but if there are 23 chromosomes in the nucleus and 23 in the unfertalised egg that it is inserted into, doesn't that make a full complement of chromosomes?

Not if, as you say, they remove the nucleus of one of the eggs before fertilisation.

And yes, I agree, seems pretty pointless...it's just trying to play god a little too much. What direction are we gonna move in next? When this technology does mainstream, after a few years are we gonna be taught that sex is barbaric and that this is the 'only humane way' of reproducing?
*MoG*
The nucleus is inserted into the unfertalised egg (untouched and still containing its own nucleus) thus creating a fertalised egg complete with all chromosomes.

Is that better?

Anyway, I like a bit of rumpy pumpy and don't much fancy becoming a race of lesbos either.

snuffypuffer
QUOTE (Mystic Mog @ Oct 3 2003, 09:45 AM)


Anyway, I like a bit of rumpy pumpy

I think this is my new favorite euphemism for sex, replacing "giving her the business" laugh.gif
Isanguard
Long live for mensssss........... notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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