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Quantem Singularity
List all the conspiricy theorys you have and i'll try to explain them
Yelekiah
Kennedy Assassination
Quantem Singularity
As a matter of fact the entry of the bullet would not have killed him, so he wasn't assassinated. more likely was that he became a vegi.
Yelekiah
But a portion of his brain fell out after his skull blew off. His wife was trying to put it back in his head. I'm sure the bullet killed him...
Radioactive Man
LOL, no offense, but it's pretty brazen to claim to have all of the answers.
Quantem Singularity
but it didn't rupture the spinal cord which it would have had to do in order to kill him, where it hit destroyed movement capabilities nothing els.
Quantem Singularity
i'm not claiming to have all
Yelekiah
You don't necessarily have to have your spinal cord ruptured to die. Marlowe was stabbed in the eye, and he died because...what's behind your eye? Your brain! It can kill you obviously.
Radioactive Man
Yelekiah, spot on. Kennedy was dead when he was first shot, if doctors could have kept him in a vegitative state they would have.
Quantem Singularity
yes but where he was shot would have made him a vegi, right under the left frontal lobe
Radioactive Man
I thought he was shot in the back of the head?
Yelekiah
But it didn't. It killed him. Read the autopsy reports. tongue.gif
Quantem Singularity
he may still be in one


i'm not ruling out that he was killed when first shot, but it also passed through his neck (that probably did it) his shoulder, his chest leaving a key hole wound (the magic bullet) and the governers leg, causing 7 wounds


auptopies can be faked, plus he was declared dead 2 days after he was shot, after there was no pulse, so it didn't kill him idmetitly
Yelekiah
Kennedy was shot in the front.
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/the_critics/g...from_front.html
Radioactive Man
Just watched the video, I guess I remember seeing the exit wound in the autopsy photos, and thought it was an entrance wound. Still...man there's pretty much no surviving that. Poor Jackie.
Quantem Singularity
ya and it knocked a small piece of brain out
Yelekiah
Funny you mention that because the scary thing is that the entrance and exit wounds are extremely close to each other. Not sure of the exact measurements though.
Quantem Singularity
nor am I
Quantem Singularity
so that it?
Yelekiah
loool, no.
Lee Harvey Oswald. Was he a patsy? Was it a "coincidence" that he got shot before he could go on trial?
Quantem Singularity
I highly agree with that, and it's not just that he got shot but where, instant death no hope to recover anything, suspicious eh?
Yelekiah
And why did Jack Ruby shoot him? Funny thing is, he died too.
Quantem Singularity
same thing with him killed almost instantly, the government is hiding something
Yelekiah
http://www.goochinfo.homestead.com/ruby.html
Here's a link on Ruby and Oswald.
So do you think Oswald was good at shooting? Do you have any theories (grassy knoll lol)?
Quantem Singularity
grin2.gif You bet i sat around wrighting possible conspricy theorys for hours (what a waste of time disgust.gif ) but i came up with tons, laser targeting a andriod (thats so cheesy though, like terminator), it wasn't him, and alien didn't like his hair (he was jealous because he had a bald gray scalp, but most of them are way out there, and i mean way like from here to mars.
Yelekiah
lol, I doubt you're the most "out there" person on this forum. wacko.gif
We'll see.
Quantem Singularity
I can dream can't I grin2.gif
ex infernis
i watched a show on the discovery channel about JFK and it talked about how his adrenal gands were pretty much gone and he also bandges around hid groin because of a swimming injury, what that means is that his body could not make adrenilin so he counldn't have had the "rush" to survive and the bandges prvented him from bending over and ducting down before the second bullet and i also think the first bullet hit him from the back and went trought his windpipe and came out the front.
MID
QUOTE(Quantem Singularity @ Nov 11 2005, 01:47 AM) [snapback]926962[/snapback]

As a matter of fact the entry of the bullet would not have killed him, so he wasn't assassinated. more likely was that he became a vegi.




The entry of "the bullet"?
Which bullet?
MID
QUOTE(Quantem Singularity @ Nov 11 2005, 01:51 AM) [snapback]926967[/snapback]

but it didn't rupture the spinal cord which it would have had to do in order to kill him, where it hit destroyed movement capabilities nothing els.



This medical knowledge is somewhat lacking.
The severance of a spinal cord, while certainly being a fatal injury, is certainly not necessary to cause death from a gunshot wound.

President Kennedy was effectively killed instantly. The testimony of the physicians who attended him, and almost every autopsy witness who saw the head wound and the brain, indicated that a good third of the right cerebral hemisphere and a large portion of the cerrebellum were blasted out.

He presented with no respiration and a faint heartbeat, and the 20 minutes of recussitative efforts at Parkland Hospital were an attempt to replenish the massive blood loss and restore breathing. That's all. The extent of the brain injury was too great to allow any of that to take effect, the heart stopped, and no amount of closed chest cardiac massage would have been effective in restoring pulse. The man was effectively dead when they brought him in to Parkland.

And, the doctors there, all experienced in emergency care, knew this quickly.

The notion that a bullet wound to the brain has to sever the spinal cord in order to cause death is...lets's just say, wrong. Further, far too much of the President's brain was damaged in order for him to have survived in a vegitative state either, if they were able to stabilize him and attempt surgery...which of course is moot, since he was beyond any hope of that the moment he was struck in the skull.
MID
QUOTE(Quantem Singularity @ Nov 11 2005, 01:56 AM) [snapback]926975[/snapback]

yes but where he was shot would have made him a vegi, right under the left frontal lobe




He was not shot under the left frontal lobe. There was no damage to his left frontal lobe. All of the damage was to the right hemisphere of the brain...most of that hemisphere, as well as the cerebellum on that side in the rear of the brain.
MID
QUOTE(Quantem Singularity @ Nov 11 2005, 02:00 AM) [snapback]926985[/snapback]


i'm not ruling out that he was killed when first shot, but it also passed through his neck (that probably did it) his shoulder, his chest leaving a key hole wound (the magic bullet) and the governers leg, causing 7 wounds
auptopies can be faked, plus he was declared dead 2 days after he was shot, after there was no pulse, so it didn't kill him idmetitly



He was most certainly not killed when he was first shot. And that first shot did not pass through his neck. There was also no wound in his chest. You are referring to the Governor's wounds, mixing them up in your paragraph with Kennedy's.

Yes, autopsies can be faked, and there is compelling evidence that this one was creatively altered. However, your information comes from someplace otherworldly. President Kennedy was declared dead offically at 1:00PM CST on 11-22-63 by the chief physician who was present in the Parkland Hospital emergency room that day. This was 30 minutes after the shooting, and a bit after he was actually dead (no pulse, no response to closed chest massage, etc...i.e., dead). 2 days later after there was no pulse? Where does this idea come from?
MID
QUOTE(hechtal @ Nov 11 2005, 01:57 AM) [snapback]926981[/snapback]

I thought he was shot in the back of the head?




Very possibly.
However, the major presenting head wound was that of a frontal shot from slightly off to the right, which entered just above the forward aspect of the right ear in the right rear temple area. This produced the massive occipital exit, and the completely nominal reaction to such a major impulse that appears on the Zapruder (and other films), and is substantiated by the fact that the occipital fragment found in Dallas and sent to Bethesda exhibited external beveling in one place.

However, it is distinctly possible that he was almost simultaneously struck in the rear of the skull as well, if the interior beveling of the occipital bone, the margins of a small entry, the alleged particle trail in the X-ray's no one's really ever seen, and the fragments lodged in the right forebrain are to be believed.

I personally think this is the most plausible scenario...two head shots.
scoobysnack
The most damaging evidence of a conspiracy and cover up that I have seen is the magic bullet. A bullet that was found in the hospital, totally undamaged. Anyone who has ever fired a gun at somthing, knows bullets are always damaged upon impact. The fact that it was in perfect condition tells me, the US people have been lied to. It was a coup, plain and simple. the United States government has been hijacked by terrorists. that is the truth, and not opinion.
Yelekiah
I heard the magic bullet wasn't so "magical" because Kennedy and Connally weren't aligned. Connally was slightly lower than him.
MID
The famed "magic bullet" would indeed have to be magic to do all it was supposed to have done.

Scoobysnack is correct, a bullet striking virtually anything is damaged to some extent. This bullet, which is essentially pristine, missing only a very small part of it's mass from around the nose, is attributed by the almost incredible "single bullet theory" (a theory which was created to pin the assassination of Kennedy on Oswald exclusively by limiting the amount of shots to 3...all from the 6th floor window of the TSBD building) which, despite all the ridiculous theorizing and analysis and graphical representations created to back it up over the years, is completely non-sensical.

As Yelekiah postulates, Kennedy and Connally were not aligned in a manner which would have allowed this bullet to pass through the both of them in the manner indicated in the Warren Report.

Further, Connally himself states that he was hit after Kennedy had been initially struck, as he had turned and noticed Kennedy in that raised-arm position, which was of course the result of being shot (in the back most likely). Additionally, the actual wound in Kennedy's back, confirmed by witnesses to the autopsy, and of course by the actual evidence (i.e, Kennedy's suit coat and shirt), was some 6" down his back from the neckline. This wound was somehow moved up to the base of the neck in order to provide a path through Kennedy's throat by this missile (...again, the path described in the Warren Report, and we can thank Gerald Ford, who has admitted this alteration as being his own according to Harrison Livingstone, perhaps the foremost researcher into this crazy case), and therefore lend credence to the single bullet theory.

It should aslo be noted that in reading the autopsy protocol of John F. Kennedy (a woefully inadequate document from a forensic standpoint), the wound in Kennedy's back cannot be located precisely because it is positioned in reference to non-stationary anatomical landmarks--a completely ridiculous and un-accepted method in locating bullet wounds in autopsy reports, which is further evidence that this whole thing is a complete mess.

Of course, most obvious is the fact that more metal...from this so-called magic bullet that struck all this bone, made a right hand turn after exiting Kennedy's neck, then a left hand turn to get into Connally's back...is remaining in Connally's body today than is missing from this bullet. Indeed, more was removed from his body during surgery than is missing from this bullet as well!

Thus, the "magic bullet" is a crock. It never happened, folks. It couldn't have, for many, many reasons.

In fact, where exactly this so-called magic piece of ordinance was actually found is not clearly substantiated. Sure, "on a stretcher" in the hallway of the Parkland Emergency Department, but who's stretcher has never been clearly stated.

Odds are, it is in fact a bullet that pierced Kennedy's suit coat, shirt, and corset, and lodged in his back, not penetrating through because of all it had to go through prior to actually hitting him. That back wound was no deeper than an inch or so at best, and Parkland medical personnel think it was dislodged during the closed-chest cardiac massage (i.e., CPR as it would come to be called) that they performed on Kennedy when his heart stopped.

This is an absolutely logical assumption to make, and, as with their other impressions of Kennedy's actual wounds, are very likely correct impressions.

The fact is that Kennedy's assassins are unknown, how many bullets actually struck him is also unknown (and THAT is a forensic idiocy that has stood, amazingly, for decades...a travesty requiring an exhumation that has never been done...also for untenable reasons). But that he was certainly struck by more than two bullets seems rather apparent. Today's forensic science, in taking a look at the medical-legal evidence put forth in this case, have little choice but to shake their heads in wonder, and perhaps even laugh at the inadequacy of what was done.

Regards.
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