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bloodylilly
Head of a Horse
Wings of a Bat
Torso of a Man
Legs of a Goat
and the Tail of a Serpent.

That is what people descibe it as... What are your opinions about the Jersey Devil??? I've been doing research on it for about 4 to 5 years now. haven't really found much out about it... I just really want to go to NJ to so the Jersey Devil! What about you??? Post your opinions!
Piney

I have lived in the Pine Barrens for most of my life and I have never met anyone who has seen the horse head, bat wing version of it it. The people who claim to have seen it that I know describe Bigfoot. I voted no.

Lapi'che
XNavyGunner
I want to go look for it myself. My kid brother used to live in Jersey, but was too scared to do it unless I went.
LISTENintheDARK
I wrote this twice in other discussions: my mother, father, uncle, and grandmother have all heard it. Though they have never seen it directly. My father saw red eyes near the shed when he looked out the backdoor window when they heard the noise.
PadawanOsswe
unless I would bring a few firearms, ide be too scared to go into those woods.

I voted maybe, because I really dont know, but anythings possible
BigDaddy_GFS
I'll have to vote 'no' on this one. Sounds like people are attaching all kinds of badness, from premonitions to actual happenings, paranaoia to old wives tales...on some critter whom they can't even accurately descrbe.

Cryptids leave footrpints, bloody carcasses, or scratchmarks in their wake. Sometimes they even show up in photos. Where's JD???
lowbro
Yeh i would say no.

Simply because there is lack of evidence, just stories.

Sounds also "made up" like the tooth fairy, easter bunny

Sounds like a New Jersey mum told their kids "eat ur damn vegetables or the jersey devil is coming for u!!!!"

Yes mum
bloodylilly
QUOTE(lowbro @ Nov 16 2005, 04:51 PM) [snapback]935298[/snapback]


Sounds like a New Jersey mum told their kids "eat ur damn vegetables or the jersey devil is coming for u!!!!"


lol that's hilarious
LISTENintheDARK
Lowbro, are you suggesting that I am lying? Now my parents may not have heard the JD, but they heard something that scared the sh*t out of them. There have been many encounters here near the Pine Barrens. So it may be some unknown creature, maybe the JD, maybe something else, but certainly not an imaginary thing like the Easter Bunny.
Bahamut_0
i'm the only one that voted for that? blink.gif
lowbro
QUOTE
Lowbro, are you suggesting that I am lying? Now my parents may not have heard the JD, but they heard something that scared the sh*t out of them. There have been many encounters here near the Pine Barrens. So it may be some unknown creature, maybe the JD, maybe something else, but certainly not an imaginary thing like the Easter Bunny.


I agree actually, i dont think u are lying. But i read the description and the folktale about this creature (JD) and how it came about and it sounds really "mickey mouse". Or fabricated. Although......

BUT there could be a creature there, that is not documented and could be the cause of all these encounters? I do agree with that!

FACT: (sorry to jack thread) The fusa (small carnivirous feline) in madagascar wasnt documented for quite a while only because of its illusivness (never videotaped). Local people said it was "possesed" because of its yellow to green coloured eyes and is very territorial when engaged.

So u can see how local folklore can be somewhat "real" that there could be a creature but not a "mystical beast".
LISTENintheDARK
Yeah, I agree with you too. I think when people hear or see things they are not quite sure of or are unfamiliar with, they tend to make up tales to make sense of them, especially in the past. And in the past, most of these stories dealt with elements of evil: spirits, ghosts, monsters, and so on. Because religion was life for so many people in the past and because religion was also their entertainment in a way (religious dramas, passion plays and so on), no TV. So an unfamiliar sound or unrecognized footprints would be attributed to the devil or something like it.

But I do feel there is something unknown in the Pine Barrens. I've heard of and from too many credible witnesses for it to be just a case of imagination. Maybe an unknown crane or bear-type thing. But thinking that it is the JD is much more fun.

And I like what you said of a mother using the JD as a motivator: to eat, do homework, go to sleep . . .

In Malaysia they do the same thing. They say if you put a pin in a banana tree at midnight, a ghost would come out. Of course there would be no ghost, rather a snake. If you said to kids a snake would come out, the kids would say lets try and then kill the snake. They were less likely to play around in the jungle if there were ghosts about.
Hit the Lights
I say it's possible.. I wouldn't go into the woods of jersey alone without packing power (AK-47, HK-MP5, HK-SM8, MP4 w/ Grenade Launcher, ect.)

I would love to go look for it if I had a 50 cal. bear gun tongue.gif
lowbro
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Yeah, I agree with you too. I think when people hear or see things they are not quite sure of or are unfamiliar with, they tend to make up tales to make sense of them, especially in the past. And in the past, most of these stories dealt with elements of evil: spirits, ghosts, monsters, and so on. Because religion was life for so many people in the past and because religion was also their entertainment in a way (religious dramas, passion plays and so on), no TV. So an unfamiliar sound or unrecognized footprints would be attributed to the devil or something like it.


That pretty much explains most of the crypto's around the world. I know that sounds sceptical but i just dont agree that creatures have "magical" or "supernatural" powers that they have as a reputation.

Your right about the religoun dramas and plays. THis was like T.V for the past and science wasn't considered very valuable or a it was "sacreligous".

Maybe you should set up some hidden camera's around areas of frequent sightings. Motion sensor cameras i think are available from any electrical gadget place and are probable pricey, but when you wanna prove a crytid, it may be worth it?
ourboros
my site The Jersey Devil Fact Sheet
http://www.geocities.com/thejerseydevilfactsheet/

in construction more to come



Devil Hunters
www.njdevilhunters.com

devil.gif ? alien.gif ?
fantazum
QUOTE(bloodylilly @ Nov 12 2005, 01:40 PM) [snapback]928672[/snapback]

Head of a Horse
Wings of a Bat
Torso of a Man
Legs of a Goat
and the Tail of a Serpent.

That is what people descibe it as... What are your opinions about the Jersey Devil??? I've been doing research on it for about 4 to 5 years now. haven't really found much out about it... I just really want to go to NJ to so the Jersey Devil! What about you??? Post your opinions!


In Britain thru the period of the late 1900s there were numerous reports of a devilish creature that could leap tall buildings in a single bound ....errr no it wasnt HIM....the reports came to the attention of the police from petrified citizens from as far afield as liverpool, cornwall and London. Here's a good article I snagged off the web:
http://www.xprojectmagazine.com/archives/paranormal/sj.html

At the Devil's Heels: The Legend of Springheeled Jack
by Aly Julian
POSTED: 24 October 99

A strange creature, that pub worker and farmer's daughter Polly Adams could only describe as "devil-like", was the terror of London in the mid-1800s. It all started in 1837 with the attack on Polly Adams, and then later in the year another woman was attacked in the Clapham churchyard. But the sightings and attacks of this figure that could leap over fences in a single bound truly began to start in 1838.

January, 1838: A resident of Peckham sent a letter to the Lord Mayor of London, Sir John Cowan, describing an attack by a creature he called "Spring-Heeled Jack". Sir Cowan made the letter public, only to receive dozens of other letters by more witnesses of the creature.

February, 1838: Late at night there was a furious knocking at the door of the Alsop residence, where young Jane Alsop and her two sisters lived with their father. Jane answered the door, and standing in the shadows was a man claiming to be a police officer. He asked her to bring a candle, saying that he had captured Spring-heeled Jack.

The stranger took the candle but then grabbed Jane and began to claw at her face. He ran off into the shadowy darkness when one of Jane's sisters came outside and called for help.

Jane's attacker allegedly wore a helmet and a white costume similar to oilskin and wore a black cloak over everything. His eyes were like raging fireballs, blue flames shot from his mouth, and his fingers ended in claws.

A similar attack happened to 18-year-old Lucy Squires a few months later. While walking with her sister through Green Dragon Alley (ironic name) in Limehouse, she was blinded with blazing blue flames by a tall cloaked figure.

A strange figure was seen atop the spire of a church and even on the Tower of London. Throughout the 1850s and 60s, this strange creature was seen all over England. Its descriptions varied from a winged and horned creature, not unlike the Jersey Devil, to the "spaceman" that attacked the two girls in 1838. People stayed off the streets at night in fear of this creature.

Authorities began to send mobs out to capture this supposed devil. In the 1860s, one of the mobs cornered the creature, but it jumped over a hedge and escaped. In the 1870s he attacked sentries "with his icy hands". In 1877, people tried to shoot him, but just like in the cases of Mothman, the Jersey Devil, and other strange creatures, Springheeled Jack was not shot.

September 1904, was the last recorded sighting of Jack. He was seen jumping among the rooftops in Liverpool. He was cornered yet again but leaped away with ease.

What was this strange being? A century ago people believed him to be the Devil himself (especially since he was seen near and on top of churches) but nowadays many people believe Springheeled Jack to have been an extraterrestrial, judging by his "space traveler" attire and unusual abilities. Whether it was alien, Satan, or a prankster, the legend of Springheeled Jack lives on as one of the most terrifying paranormal events in British history.

Source: Anomalies Article: Springheeled Jack

psyche101
Hrrmzzzzzzz, hard to discount the Jersey Devil.
The reports are made by sometimes groups of witnesses, the trail of footprints would be impossible to hoax, many of the witnesses seem to be of a reliable reputation including police, judges, doctors and others who risk a damaged reputation and loss of trade as a result.
There are many clues from what I understand, wherever it is reported, scratches, dents footprints etc are discovered. One thing I have noticed common to reports is that it seems to like water tanks, often 'dancing' on them during the evening. Perhaps a nomadic creature that hides in confined places during daylight hours?
Eyewitness accounts always seem to take place at night. In the dark, I would venture that this creature's description strongly resembles what we belive a Pterosaur might look like. Eyewitness accounts from New Guinea and Africa are accurate enough for a more detailed search to hopefully uncover these creatures. Remember, places like New Guinea do not have a bustling night life, making it entirely possible for very few sightings, and less than 20% of the Congo has been chartered. I think we are extremely arrogant in saying no creature of substantial size could possibly exist there. Heck I have lived some years in outback Australia, and stil have not to this day seen a Bilby, Tree Kangaroo, or even a Camel. We apparantly have the largest wild Camel population in the world now. Not even a Bunyip wink2.gif. I have seen about a dozen wild Koala's a few wild Emu's, only because I used to quite like hiking the outback in chase of feral pigs, a popular hunting sport in Australia. At least I know a great deal of people who chase pigs every year. Many large creatures go quite un-noticed. How many 'extinct' animals have been identified stuffed in museums? Need i say Coelacanth or Okapi? Unfortunatly, it seems it is human nature to try to fools others for monetry reasons, popularity or simply twisted jerks who enjoy seeing others fooled by such 'clever' antics. Should be a law against hoaxers. If you did the same thing to a defence force, you would be charged.
Yeah it's possible.
My 2 cents original.gif
FLY SPITTA
My vote went to maybe. I'd like to think that it's real, but there's a good chance that it's not. The legend has been going around for years so you never know...
science101
I believe in the existence of the Jersey Devil. There have been too many eyewitness accounts to refute it.

http://users.adelphia.net/~leuter/sightings.html

some people on UM has experienced this creature first hand (or something like it). Nonetheless, who really knows what lurks in the deep realms of the Pine Barrens. Whatever it is, it has accounted for the deaths of livestock, wild game, and even people. That's right, I said people!

In an attempt to determine whether or not the Jersey Devil truly existed, four guys went out to film a documentary called "The Last Broadcast". The only problem....one came back, the other three well...................

The Last Broadcast

no.gif
shadowtiger17
QUOTE(Piney @ Nov 13 2005, 02:25 AM) [snapback]929347[/snapback]

I have lived in the Pine Barrens for most of my life and I have never met anyone who has seen the horse head, bat wing version of it it. The people who claim to have seen it that I know describe Bigfoot. I voted no.

Lapi'che

how old are you? since the last MAJOR list of sightings in one night happened quite a while ago,,,i mean the entire freaking place was in an uproar, police receiving thousands of reports of damaged property and i giant creature flying around,,,and all the descriptions were of basically the same thing
shadowtiger17
QUOTE(science101 @ Dec 2 2005, 09:06 PM) [snapback]958906[/snapback]

I believe in the existence of the Jersey Devil. There have been too many eyewitness accounts to refute it.

http://users.adelphia.net/~leuter/sightings.html

some people on UM has experienced this creature first hand (or something like it). Nonetheless, who really knows what lurks in the deep realms of the Pine Barrens. Whatever it is, it has accounted for the deaths of livestock, wild game, and even people. That's right, I said people!

In an attempt to determine whether or not the Jersey Devil truly existed, four guys went out to film a documentary called "The Last Broadcast". The only problem....one came back, the other three well...................

The Last Broadcast

no.gif

i watched the tiny trailer, but where can i see the rest of the movie?,,,,i would really like to see it, it would be something like the blair witch project,,,except it's real and not made up
Piney
QUOTE(shadowtiger17 @ Dec 2 2005, 09:24 PM) [snapback]959216[/snapback]

i watched the tiny trailer, but where can i see the rest of the movie?,,,,i would really like to see it, it would be something like the blair witch project,,,except it's real and not made up



It is a fictional murder mystery and you see the guy who does it in the end. It also was not filmed in the Pine Barrens. From ther looks of the local geography it was probably filmed in New York.


Lapi'che
Piney
QUOTE(science101 @ Dec 2 2005, 04:06 PM) [snapback]95890[/snapback]
people[/b]. That's right, I said people!

In an attempt to determine whether or not the Jersey Devil truly existed, four guys went out to film a documentary called "The Last Broadcast". The only problem....one came back, the other three well...................

no.gif



Could you please show the references to it killing people. I have never heard of this.
"The Last Broadcast" was a fictional murder mystery filmed in New York or Pennsyvania.

Lapi'che
Unqiue
QUOTE(science101 @ Dec 2 2005, 03:06 PM) [snapback]958906[/snapback]

I believe in the existence of the Jersey Devil. There have been too many eyewitness accounts to refute it.

http://users.adelphia.net/~leuter/sightings.html

some people on UM has experienced this creature first hand (or something like it). Nonetheless, who really knows what lurks in the deep realms of the Pine Barrens. Whatever it is, it has accounted for the deaths of livestock, wild game, and even people. That's right, I said people!

In an attempt to determine whether or not the Jersey Devil truly existed, four guys went out to film a documentary called "The Last Broadcast". The only problem....one came back, the other three well...................

The Last Broadcast

no.gif


Do I smell the third blair witch project? blink.gif
sadistic jellyfish of doom
QUOTE(Unqiue @ Dec 4 2005, 09:11 AM) [snapback]961002[/snapback]

Do I smell the third blair witch project? blink.gif


huh.gif ...oh crap...
sadistic jellyfish of doom
huh.gif ...oh...crap. Not again!
Frost Man
Jrsey Dvil remember me of a pterossaur. Maybe it's just a pterossaur!
Agent. Mulder
i still undecided on the jersey devil though, kinda weird

hey, anyone remember the video game they made? lol

http://psx.ign.com/objects/002/002067.html
friggin old school
coldethyl
QUOTE(Agent. Mulder @ Jul 26 2006, 11:38 AM) [snapback]1283959[/snapback]

i still undecided on the jersey devil though, kinda weird

hey, anyone remember the video game they made? lol

http://psx.ign.com/objects/002/002067.html
friggin old school


It looks like an evil Sonic the Hedgehog.
GodofDestruction
If you mean real by a Corporeal being than no i think its a spirit of some sort thumbsup.gif
Ring Tailed Lemur
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Samael
I voted maybe, because something that looks like that is kind of far fetched, but there's a lot of evidence for the existence of the JD. I didn't vote 'indecisive' because I'm not indecisive. At least I think I'm not. Am I indecisive?
kenshinx
QUOTE(Ring Tailed Lemur @ Jul 30 2006, 06:25 AM) [snapback]1288143[/snapback]

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i think its dead deer on a tree and another blurry pic hmm.gif
Watchful
I lived in Jersey for nine years. Even passed the restaurant and inn that I heard that the Jersey Devil was supposedly born in. I haven't seen it, though I voted indecisive on this vote. I know that it doesn't mean that it does not exist. I have often traveled on Jersey roads late at night on many many times, I have not seen it. I have read that sightings of it have gone as far north of the Pine Barrens and elsewhere. I have been really interested in seeing it, maybe that is why I haven't.

Though, I have seen and heard ghosts and UFO's there, but that's another thread and story. wink2.gif
kenshinx
QUOTE(Stubbly_Dooright @ Aug 6 2006, 03:52 AM) [snapback]1296525[/snapback]


Though, I have seen and heard ghosts and UFO's there, but that's another thread and story. wink2.gif

realllyyy ?????
welcome to UM bro.. original.gif
hunterXkiller
QUOTE(Kaze @ Nov 18 2005, 08:01 AM) [snapback]937160[/snapback]

I say it's possible.. I wouldn't go into the woods of jersey alone without packing power (AK-47, HK-MP5, HK-SM8, MP4 w/ Grenade Launcher, ect.)

I would love to go look for it if I had a 50 cal. bear gun tongue.gif


I'd do the same . Although i wouldn't go alone without a team of heavily armed SEAL's packed with anti-tank gear too . Just incase bullets don't work on the Jersey Devil . Would also call in aerial support ( UAV'/UCAV's , Helo's ) equipped with FLIR .

I think i'd have enough guts to go in then . .
kenshinx
QUOTE(hunterXkiller @ Aug 6 2006, 10:40 AM) [snapback]1296727[/snapback]

I'd do the same . Although i wouldn't go alone without a team of heavily armed SEAL's packed with anti-tank gear too . Just incase bullets don't work on the Jersey Devil . Would also call in aerial support ( UAV'/UCAV's , Helo's ) equipped with FLIR .

I think i'd have enough guts to go in then . .

hmm.gif power overwhelming
Watchful
QUOTE(kenshinx @ Aug 6 2006, 04:57 AM) [snapback]1296693[/snapback]

realllyyy ?????
welcome to UM bro.. original.gif

Yes, and I have mentioned one particular one on another thread, and I will talk about a few more later.

And that's Sis- wink2.gif
and thank you for the welcome. grin2.gif
HawkMask
Well Im a huge fan of the JD being from South Eastern Pennsylvania it is within my realm of exploration. One friend of mine and me are in the process of planning our trip to the Pine Barrens where we will take a camera with nightvision start at about 10 or 11 pm and continue wandering the woods until 1 am.

So soon I'll hope to have some documentation of the JD or at least feel satisfied that it unfortuantely does not exist. Im not taking guns though because I don't feel like being arrested and trying to explain, "But I was trying to kill the JD!!!!" to a police officer tongue.gif. But maybe Ill bring a sword for kicks, in all honesty I say no it does not exist, we just need something interesting and mysterious to wet our imaginations.
avengingfury
QUOTE(Stubbly_Dooright @ Aug 6 2006, 03:52 AM) [snapback]1296525[/snapback]

I lived in Jersey for nine years. Even passed the restaurant and inn that I heard that the Jersey Devil was supposedly born in. I haven't seen it, though I voted indecisive on this vote. I know that it doesn't mean that it does not exist. I have often traveled on Jersey roads late at night on many many times, I have not seen it. I have read that sightings of it have gone as far north of the Pine Barrens and elsewhere. I have been really interested in seeing it, maybe that is why I haven't.

Though, I have seen and heard ghosts and UFO's there, but that's another thread and story. wink2.gif

There's a restaraunt that claims to be the birth place of the JD? I find that amusing. The exact location of the Leeds house is not known. The house itself is assumed to be gone due to a fire or having become so dilapidated. In the Barrens (from what I understand) there are a handful of possible sites the Jersey Devil originated from. Theses sites are the foundations... remains of old colonial homes.

There are several stories of how the Devil was born. One of the more popular ones is that Mrs. Leeds was having her 13th child. She didn't want anymore children so she cursed him and sent him away. There are numerious other versions of this story. If infact this kind of origin is correct then I hardly doubt it's an actual animal that has been roaming the barrens. Legend also says a pastor banished the Devil and for 100 years it wasn't seen or heard from. Once the 100 years was over the Devil made a comeback, terrorizing and going on an animal killing spree.

The descriptions of the Devil has varied. The more common being the horse head and bat wings etc. Some people think the JD has been mistaken for a herron over the years, others think it could be something else. A couple of the various outlandish theories include Pteradactles (sp?)and wyvern (a 2 legged dragon that stands upright, it's wings are like bats and birds in that they are extentions of their arms). I'm not saything the JD isn't either of these, but if they are it would be extraordinary.

If the creature has no ties to the supernatural and is not a type of bird or large bat being misidentified, then I think we might have to accept the possibility of it being an animal science has yet to have identified. Before you grab your torch and pitchfork consider the following: If you had told someone about an animal 50 years ago that had a bill, fur, flippers and could lay eggs what would they have said? They'd have called you crazy. Does a creature like this exist? Yes, it's called a platypus. Is there such a thing that looks like a cross between a zebra and a giraffe? Yes, it's called an okapi. There's also a type of deer that appears to have gills, however it's just nose flaps that move when it breaths (I forget the name of it off the top of my head but I will edit it in when I remember). So to say there can be no such animal that resembles a goat's body with bat wings and the head of a horse is being rather rash. If we take past discoveries into consideration we can see there could be such a creature, as alien as it may seem.

Do I believe in the Jersey Devil? I believe that there's something out there. I'd like to scout out the Pine Barrens some day and see what I come up with.
floydtheater07
I voted "yes". Something about the abundance of eyewtiness accounts leads me to believe that something is out there.

Also, my mom used to live in Jersey, and one night, she was driving home with a few of her sisters in an area near the Pine Barrens. A few yards ahead of her car, she saw something that resembled the general description of the Jersey Devil take off from the middle of the road. True, it could have been something else, but my mom certainly saw something, because she didn't sensationalize the story, and wouldn't lie about that anyway (she only brought it up when she saw me reading about the Jersey Devil).


I would both love and hate to see it.
sadistic jellyfish of doom
If its a satanic monster, no. if its some kind of large bat or pterosaur, yes.
capoeiranger
Undecided. It can be an actual old myth or bedtime story or any story to frighten the kids, but the recent happening was perhaps due to another creatures. I'd say, whenever there's a huge winged creature lay waste on Jersey area, they'd call it JD, whatever it is, while in fact it could be flying tiger LOL!
kenshinx
just like whenever there's a weirdo animal, they'd call it chupa tongue.gif
capoeiranger
And a floating log on alke, they call it Nessie. pff...
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