Free will?

Rom.8:
29) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30) Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Eph.1
4) According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5) Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

2 Th.2
11) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12) That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

2 Tim.1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

How much free will?

Have you forgot The Gospel Story Quiz?



1) zero there are rules here on swearing. Read up on them and restrain from using them.
2) Where did I say that Saint Nicholas "flies in a sled"? I said there is more proof of Saint Nicholas than there is Jesus.


Almost three times your age son! You want to talk about being childish Do your self a favor and mature a little

Last time I tried that one someone said "it's disrespectful to make someone argue against a site". How come you can do it? Why not post the contradictions and we'll see if they really contradict the bible.



No. I ment you try to make it seem as if the santa clause that flies in the sled has more evidence than Jesus. You could have easily just said "Saint Nick" instead of "Santa Claus". Wasn't Saint Nick a real person in the first place?




:: looks down ::... You wan't my back to break? XD Just kiddin'

Proverbs 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.


There is more evidence for Saint Nicholas.

I have been saying Saint Nicholas.

Saint Nicholas.....Absolutely!
Source

Well why are we arguing over St Nicholas?

The point is is the Bible true?

The Bible is true to those who believe. The numbers ( dates that we cannot attach to old test. ) and the prophecys ( that some say have not occured) well sometimes prophecies happen in a way that is not so obvious.

I could say that the rain will fall for 20 days.

Did I say that it would rain 20 times in a row? Or did I mention the fact that the rain was symbolic of the emotional tears that Sally is feeling over the loss of her dog Fifi?

The fact is I believe it to be very true.

Thanks.

Hi 101

I was just showing zero that there IS evidence for Saint Nicholas (AKA Santa Claus ) but outside of the Bible there is how much evidence for Jesus?

I prophesy a reference to Josephus coming........

Who is this Josephus? I have seen Mako and others use his name.

Is he important or somehing.

I proved that St nick aka Santa was real at one time also. In another thread though. lol.

LOL

Of course St Nick is real.

And Santa too, as long as people try to behave well towards others, and totry to give something to those less fortunate.

OFF TOPIC:
Irregardless of your religious persuasions, at the very least, this year donate a toy or two to "Toys for Tots".


101 - Josephus was a historian who recorded events in painstaking detail. There is a reference to Jesus in his writings, but there is some thought that it was a later addition to his writings by another person, due to the drastic change in style.

Mako is much more knowledgable about this one.

Our parents was telling us the truth!

There really is a Santa Claus

Thanks Joe.

Toys for tots is a great idea. I really think thay do a good job.

Santa Claus gets cookies each yr from 101.

LOL.

If you really want to get on his 'good girl' list, leave him a shot of brandy with those cookies....

You know that (pshht that the mommys and daddys eat the cookies- therefore I would be drinking the brandy) lol.

I should buy some.

Is The Bible a TRUE Story?

Here are some questions I found at a web site:

10 Questions for Christians

1. Where is the justice in punishing us for Adam's sin? If the bible itself says that children will not be punished for the parents' sins (Deut. 24:16). Furthermore, if God really created Adam not knowing either good or evil (Gen 3:22), how could such a harsh and enduring punishment as death for Adam and all his descendants possibly be just? Our secular courts are more just than God when they show mercy on people who cannot distinguish between right and wrong, such as children and the mentally handicapped. And why isn't this doctrine of original sin found anywhere in the Bible except in Paul's writings? Why didn't Jesus ever mention it, or teach it?

2. How could Adam and Eve ever have sinned if God had actually created them perfect, even if they did have free will? If God created them imperfect, how could a perfect omnipotent being create anything imperfect?

3. Why Pray? If it changes God's mind then he is not sovereign. If it does not change Gold's mind then it is superfluous.

4. Why would a loving, omnipotent, benevolent god cause people to believe falsehoods so that he can condemn them? (II Thes 2:11 - 12)

5. Why does Jesus quote a non-existent verse of the OT scripture (John 7:38)? Is it possible that he considered other non-canonical writings also to be God's Word?

6. Which "Ten Commandments" are the Ten Commandments - the ones listed in Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5, or the ones listed at Exodus 34? Only the list at Exodus 34 is explicitly called the "Ten Commandments" in the biblical text.

7. Why does the writer of Matthew quote a non-existent OT prophecy (Matthew 2:23)?

8. Why does the writer of Matthew attribute a quote about the potter's field to Jeremiah, when Jeremiah has no such passage and the closest one in the OT is Zechariah (Matthew 27:9 - 10, Zechariah 11:12)?

9. Why doesn't prayer work, when the bible promises that it will (John 14:14, for example)?

10. Why aren't christians doing greater works than Jesus did, since he himself said they would (John 14:12)? Why aren't they raising the dead, turning water into wine, healing the sick, feeding multitudes from a very small amount of food, casting out demons, walking on water?

I don't have much time right now so:



I never told you?

Your bad then!

zandore, you and i both know that most of the "conflicts" between hebrew scriptures and the nt are because the nt was written by the bishops at the constantinople, who knew nothing about jewish beliefs, hebrew, or anything. the only "ot" they had on hand was the septuagint greek translation, which had multiple errors. when there is such a conflict, the only logical solution is to distrust the nt. ask a rabbi-there was never any original sin.and god can be swayed, according to the story in genesis where abraham convinces god not to bomb sodom and gommorah with volcanic ash until his nephew and family were safe.

I personally would love to see more reference to Jesus outside the Bible. Although many bible characters have come to life thanks to archelogical evidence, Jesus has little to none on him so far- but i believe sufficient evidence will emerge in our life time. What i'd REALLY prefer is writings based on the time he was living, not someone talking about him a hundred years after he was crucified as thats not really proof. I wont be blind nor ignorant, i agree theres very little evidence on Biblical Jesus but i believe he existed not only in historical terms but biblical terms too...Cheers to a extraordinary finding within our life times

Agreed. People with blind faith are ridiculed untill what they believed is proved true. And it'll be worth the wait.

even if Jesus was real, that wouldn't prove whether he was the messiah.

And xians wouldn't cancel easter when they find his body.

It would be closer than finding that out than we are now.

^^zero that bottom quote from Hyper is from a different thread^^

How in the hell did that get there. O_o

Must have left the quote button on on another thread...... Odd..... I didn't know that was possible. Lol...

Technically you know there is, will you ever read it. Proably not. Is there an actual acountant of The Second comming well personally I kinda thought the Bible was just a book of stories, until I read Revelations. Let's just say now I'm putting it in the TRUE STORY section. Fact.

Prove that its ture/fact ?? ohh please do

The bible is a collection of Hebrew myths. The first five books of the old testament are from the Hebrew faith (Jewish), and were/are known as the "Torah" or 5 books of Moses.
(This accounts for the King James Old Testament origins).

The New Testament, and the books of the apostles (Greek apostello "to send forth", "to dispatch"), were written 50 to 100 years after Jesus was alleged to have lived. The largest part of the NT was written approximately 60C.E.
However the Jesus myth , though I won't say is a complete fiction compiled from other more ancient myths, because that would be disrespectful of the faith that does not believe so, does render quite a few familiar story lines from the ancients history and mythos.

The trinity was represented in ancient Egypt amid the story of Isis, Horus and Osiris.
Attis, has all the earmarkings of the Jesus figure. Krishna holds the same familiar story line regarding salvation, death and resurrection.

The Romans, during the time of Jesus alleged appearance before Pilate and Herod, were known for what could almost be called anal retentive record keeping. They quite literally obsessed on keeping written accounts of everything that happened in their sovereign territories. The "trial" of Jesus and his subsequent crucifixion (a standard "capital punishment"), is not found in any Roman accounting.

There is a brief mention of a son born to a slave girl, who's sire was "Panther" a Roman soldier and that this son "spoke against the state". However that is the only mention made of any such accounting. Speaking against the Roman empire was not unknown, and was in itself not a capital offense unless it sought to incite revolution. Contrary to much speculation, regarding the feeding of Christians to the Lions, etc... Rome was a polysympathetic entity. In other words, they embraced many goddesses and god's in the State religion as well as among their people because they had conquered so much of the world wherein many pagan faiths existed. Therefore to keep the peace, sort of speak, and as the Roman pantheon was polytheistic (many gods), they were tolerant of others faith.
Only when someone or a group, spoke or acted as if they were a threat to Roman rule, did things get unfriendly.

The bible was compiled after the first Council of Nicea 325 A.D.
The King James Version was translated under King James the first, of Scotland. A Christian, that wanted the Bible to be accessible to the common man. It was translated and authorized 1611 A.D. King James is also the founding monarch of the United States and wrote the charter that founded the State of Virginia.

QUOTE

The King James Bible translators were a collection of some of the world's best scholars. They approached this translation with the mindset that they were translating the very word of God, not just some book. The King James Bible has been called "the monument of English prose" as well as "the only great work of art ever created by a committee".

Just the most popular piece of fiction in history.

Amen to that

Uhuh I agree

The OT yes, just one of the many things Christianity has copied.

NO, not anymore profound than that. namaste sheri