Why do most religons hate gays so much?

Because of fear or repulsion I assume.

why would it scare anyone.

People fear what they don't understand. Like with AIDS, people were thinking it was a "gay disease", but homophobia has always been around.

IMO Religon teaches this those that choose to beleive in religous constructs assume the behaviors advocated in the bible, the whole construct is one of error it is only half the picture (the false part) and its taken literal, they beleive that God wants them to be hateful towards others or else Fear is a very big motivator, lots of people sell there proverbial souls because of fear and lookin out for there own necks, Lives aren't even lived becasue of terrorizing beleifs what one thinks of for oneself and what one wishes on another is what they are arfaid of IMO. I think they are afraid of what horrors will befall them if they dare go against the bible, Of course I'm rambling I really don't know why another would voice and feel justified in condeming a gay person, I've often wondered myself Namaste Sheri

Most? I can only think of... two.. maybe three that does. Possibly four. And there are *many* different religions out there....

Because of SEX!

Why do people fear sex?

The is a south pacific island where the original people of the island have interesting sexual beliefs. They promote sexual experience in their children from any age that the child shows an interest in it. When that interest is seen, they, the parents of the child, will let a relative teach the child about sex and sexual technique. The girls are taught how to have multiple orgasms as well as how to fully stimulate their partner. The boys are taught their skills as well. Homosexuality is accepted as well.
There is a purity in their reality of sex that makes it completely natural.

When they were introduced to western culture they were shocked. They felt sad about our western sexual ideas. They felt we were sick; that we had a mental imbalance.


My point? There is no reality, only perception and all sex is being percieved to be evil when it is in fact not.

The only religions that "hate" gays our the "Three Children of Abraham" (i.e. Judism, Christianity, Islam). It is acceptable among all North American Indian beliefs, Ancient Greek-Roman, Celtic, Finno-Urgic ( adopted by Late Northern Germanic).
I wrote in another post that the Berserkers and their wolfskin wearing kin were both homosexual sects as with certain Celtic preistesses. Where do you get most from.


Lapi'che

Let's not forget Edo era Japan... Homosexuality wasn't just celebrated and thought manly... it was thought better to be a homosexual then hetro...

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to point the finger. I will tell you right here that (Christianity at least) does not hate gay people. It hates the act they commit, but as I've said before, no more than me looking at pornography, or having sex before marriage, or having sex outside of marriage. It's not a crazy, evil deserving of a special place in Hell. Gays aren't put on a special pedestal where they are held up as creatures to be reviled.

I'm sure there are some who will say the difference is negligible. But there IS a difference.

Regards, PA

Nooo.... Christian people who killed gay people didn't hate them! Just the fact that they act in a way they don't like...


I'm sorry... but there are christians out there who hate gay people... not all.. but some...

Agreed SC

But the original question was not "why do SOME CHristians hate gays".

Rather it was:



Speaking of the organization, not people within that organization. There is no doctrine within any of the major Christian denominations that state "Gays are evil" "Kill gay people". Like I said, they are no worse than anyone else in this world

Hmmm...

I just wanted to add that I am a Christian and I do NOT hate gay people. Just because someone is different is no reason to have hatred toward them.

My thoughts exactly tcgram

I'm gonna PM ya.

Yeah i am also a Christian, but would never think of hating anyone for their orientation. Idont know the beliefs on homosexuality of the other religions, but i'd guess that the reason that somne christians "hate" gays is because in the bible, it is considered a sin.

Other than that, i believe some people are so closed minded, and are afraid of what they don;t know. All they are are hypocrites. They hate these people, but do not see that the bible that they use to back up their persecution of gays, also condemns HATE...

They think it's unnatural, and therefore they beleive that it should not happen.

I think it was the fact (in Christian beliefs, and some others as well) that God has given us a body and sexuality. He clearly says in Genesis that man and woman shall love, not man and man or woman and woman. Some say he is ashamed of Gay people for not listening to him and destroying what he had said.

But, I'll have all you know that I do not hate gays or lesbians (just to point that out).

(urgg, I hate typo-errors!)

I have never heard of any religion hating gays. I know that as a Christian sodomy is a sin. And that homosexuality is a sin. But a sin is a sin is a sin. It doesn't matter if you steal a bag of candy or have sex with a woman if you are woman it is all sin.

I am sorry you have heard anyone hates anybody.

Individual christians may not hate gay people, but nonetheless, the religions of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam despise homosexual behavior, and according to biblical law in the Books of Moses, someone caught committing gay behavior should be put to death.

That was the root of a lot of homophobia in western culture. The Greeks, supposed creators of many ideas underpinning western society, certainly didn't revile homosexual behavior.

well, for christianity, God supposedly says in the Bible (either iv Numbers or Leviticus) that man on man love is a terrible sin.

Yes beacuse this does not allow reproduction.

Yup, the Church is against gays because they don't produce kids, which means no more sheep to pay for the Pope's gold robes.

Homosexiaulty was considered the most wise and noble of all in that era...a lot of people faked being homosexiual so they could be honoured with such title.

You know how the used to have which hunts, well gay hunts will probably in act by the end of the century.

I would hope that humanity would be.. enlightened enough to accept homosexuality again.

I think religion is often minipulated as a social status by most. "Holier then thou" sota speak. If you Think about it more wars have been fought over religion then any other war.

On the contrary, sin is sin. Read what 101 wrote (thanks babe, couldn't have said it better ) - stealing a bag of candy, or engaging in homosexuality - it's all the same.

It is all punishable by death, and we are all ultimately going to die, right.

Regards, PA

Thanks PA!

But I have read about these seven deadly sins etc. And no where in the Bible does it say that these 7 sins are worse then any other sin. I guess it depends on your teaching as a Christian. But I just thought I would drop in the fact that some believe in those 7 deadly sins.

I don't see what your point is. I was pointing out that homosexuality is considered a sin by the three religions which sprang out of the Near East. You then told me that 'sin is sin', and it is no more evil than other sins, which has no relevance to my point.

The Society of Friends (Quaker Meeting) not only accepts homsexuality but their clerks (ministers) secretly perform gay marriages. I apologize for my ignorance. I was corrected by a "Friend" yesterday while discussing religious doctrine.

Lapi'che

Note: the majority of quakers are in gay centrals.

Something I have noticed, is that you get a lot more threads started about Why Christians hate this and that, and very few actual threads started by supposed Christians stating we hate this and that.

It's odd but, I guess it shows between the lines is usually where the real message is.

Good point.

THe original post says "Why do most religions hate gays".

You bring up Old Testament scripture to try and provide a reason for that hate. So I state that sin is sin. Whether it is homosexuality or lying or coveting your neighbour's TV set. We all sin. THerefore we are all just as good and just as evil as a homosexual. There is no difference.

Right?

Regards, PA

Exactly, Paranoid Android. We are no better than any other sinner. Even though if I steal a cookie, it'd be nice to think that im better than a serial killer...

But even though we are no better than the homosexuals, that does no justify the sin.

Good point, it does not justify anything.

In the eyes of the world, we may be better than serial killers!

Yet according to Jesus, if we are angry with our brother, then we ahve committed murder in our hearts. Think about it.

Regards, PA

Throughout history, gays have been persecuated, I don't think it will ever be accepted. Just like racism, it will always exist in some way or form.

Religion is totally out of line, I don't care if it's only some people of certian religions, the fact that these religions teach these things is disgusting. Because people who feel these horrible things get into power, like Adolf Hitler, and perhaps more sickeningly, George Bush.

"The union of a man and woman is the most enduring human institution, honoring -- honored and encouraged in all cultures and by every religious faith," Bush proselytized at the White House this morning. "Ages of experience have taught humanity that the commitment of a husband and wife to love and to serve one another promotes the welfare of children and the stability of society."

Bush activily supports a constitution against same sex marriages.

Sick.

Hollywood Hughes - you can still have a relationship with the same sex if you want to. What is marriage anyway? How did it come into being? In it's current, Western context, marriage is an institution ushered in by the Church based on biblical principles.

If you don't believe in the Bible - that's cool by me.
If you do not do what the Bible says - that's cool by me.

But why would you want to get married, an institution set up on the basis of the Bible, if you don't believe it?

Just a thought.

Regards, PA

But marriage has become much more than biblical beliefs, just like Christmas. Christams is about presents and family time, not the birth of Christ anymore.

It is society that has taught us that after love and happiness, comes a marriage to cement your relationship. And all humans can feel love, straights, gays, blacks, whites and so on.

Agreed mate

In today's society, gay marriage probably should be allowed. (*GASP* a Christian saying this, my God, it's the end of the world!)

The world is not Christian. In a secular society, one like American that proposes separation of church and state, it seems strange that the church still regulates things like marriage. From a Christian viewpoint, it may be wrong to do this, but not from a secular one.

But on the flipside, you've also got to think that most marriages are performed in churches (or at the very least have a celebrant who is a priest or some such of a religious order). If they are the ones performing the ceremony, they should be able to decide if they perform it or not.

Perhaps there's a job opening for a secular celebrant of sorts.

Regards, PA

I can agree on that, if gay couples can't find Priests or whoever to do the ceremonies, then that's fair enough. But it should not be law that gay couples can't marry.

What's next? No marriages for blacks? It has to stop before it gets rediculas.

Note: The majority of Quakers here are rural farmers. I don't see the Pine Barrens as being a "gay central", whatever that is???


Lapi'che

I meant northern Utah and Southern Idaho.


And when there are more there are more then average amount of gays.

It amazes me how ideology allows us to classify people - gay, straight, Christian, Jew, black white, alien, national,.....

I see no difference in any human being I've ever met from myself, other than male and female.

There must be a bit of prejudice in all of us (myself included) for such a discussion such as this to even take place.

It's sad, really.

Ya that true, I'm prejudice againts idiots.

Thanks man for saving me alot of typing. Couldn't have said it better

Yes, it's not the fact they are gay but the act the commit.

What's the difference? It's like saying you don't dislike murderers but only the act they commit?

It's just a handy statement for you guys to get out of this discussion, who cares what they do behind closed doors? Religion shouldn't have an opinion on any type of person.

I am by no means all for gay people or whatever, but if people choose to live their life a certain way, and my god we only get one of them, let them live it the way they choose to, and give them the decency not to judge them by one act they "commit".

^^^^As I said, some would say the difference is neglibible. There IS a difference though. If I were to hate a gay person for what they do, it would be the same as if I hated a straight person for having a one-night stand, or even more blase, hating myself for looking at a chick lustfully. We are all equally sinful in the eyes of God (according to the Christian faith at least).

Regards, PA

So what if two gay men are in a loving relationship with eachother, they havn't made love or anything yet. So they are not hated by Christians yet?

They feel the time is right to consemate (sp?) their relationship with an act of love making, no one night stands, it's all about love.

Now they can be hated? Is that what you're saying? Despite the fact they are strongly in love?