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Quantem Singularity
Vote ans state why you voted the way you did.
Unforgiven
The chance of life not being anywhere else in the universe is 1:infinity.

Too many people claim to have been abducted for them to all be hoax.
And if they can find their way this far, I assume they're an advanced race....
Welsh Shaun
I voted yes to all. They have to exist we cannot be the only living organisms.

For those who would say, "well, why dont they introduce themselves to us," simple answer is, they would have to be far more advanced than ourselves to travel here, and therefore would probably understand the consequences to mankind if they were to introduce themselves.
Mr Ed
Do aliens exist? Most probably; our universe is absolutely massive.

Have they visited us? Nothing but anecdotes to support that claim, so no...
DEBUNKER
QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Nov 13 2005, 02:54 PM) [snapback]929818[/snapback]

Do aliens exist? Most probably; our universe is absolutely massive.

Have they visited us? Nothing but anecdotes to support that claim, so no...


I agree with Mr Ed.
Pannkakskungen
Im with Ed original.gif
Stellar
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The chances of us being the only life in the universe is incredable low.


So, in that case, did you also vote "Not sure"?

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The chance of life not being anywhere else in the universe is 1:infinity.


In that case, you should vote "Not Sure" since there is a chance...

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I voted yes to all. They have to exist we cannot be the only living organisms.


We cannot?

I wonder where you people pull all these statistics out of, such as "the chances of us being the only life is 1%" or "1:infinity"

Lilly
Well, I voted a triple "don't know"...because there's really know way for us to know for sure.

However, if I was to make an educated guess, I'd say that alien life exists elsewhere. This is based on the fact that the building blocks for life are known to exist elsewhere in the galaxy. Other planets are known to exist. The conditions for the development of life as we know it are rare, but don't seem to be so exclusive as to indicate that Earth is somehow "miraculous" for life's existence. Basically, life seems likely to be rare, but not exclusive to only Earth.
Mekorig
They exist? More tha probable to yes. The universe is too big, and the posibilities too strong to not to be other life forms.
The tech level? If they exist, it will be diverse, raginfg from proto-life to FTL engine -using civilizations.
Have they visited earth? For the moment we had no proof of that.
Arson
ill say it again. You have to be a moron if you dont think they exist.
Guardsman Bass
I wrote why I hold my position in the earlier 'Do Aliens Exist?' thread, and I've voted a tentative 'yes.' We don't know exactly, to be sure, but it certainly seems likely, based off of what we know about at least primitive life on Earth.

As for the second poll, I put 'not sure.' Advanced (multicellular) life is much more fragile than much of the simple cell creatures, so I'm not willing to go out on a limb and vote yes.

I voted 'no' on alien visitation.
weasel
Do they exist

yes of course. As has been said before, we cant be the only living organisms in the universe

Do they exist detail

don't know , as of yet nobody knows

have they visted earth

don't know because we we havnt any solid proof that they been here
Yelekiah
I voted "don't know" for all, but I think there is a chance they exist.
Stellar
I wonder where all these people get their "chances" talk from.

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yes of course. As has been said before, we cant be the only living organisms in the universe


Of course huh? We cant be the only living organisms in the universe huh? Why not?

Simply put, none of you can honestly speak in absolutes, and if you put down a "yes", you're no better than the ones who put down a "no" IMO.
weasel
QUOTE(Stellar @ Nov 13 2005, 09:52 PM) [snapback]930251[/snapback]

I wonder where all these people get their "chances" talk from.
Of course huh? We cant be the only living organisms in the universe huh? Why not?

Simply put, none of you can honestly speak in absolutes, and if you put down a "yes", you're no better than the ones who put down a "no" IMO.


thats your opinion and here is mine, earth cant be the only planet that supports life in the whole of the universe thats ridiculous , why cant there be other planets out there with animal life HUH? as that is all what aliens are - animals just like us
Quantem Singularity
QUOTE(Stellar @ Nov 13 2005, 02:52 PM) [snapback]930251[/snapback]

I wonder where all these people get their "chances" talk from.
Of course huh? We cant be the only living organisms in the universe huh? Why not?

Simply put, none of you can honestly speak in absolutes, and if you put down a "yes", you're no better than the ones who put down a "no" IMO.


The chances of us being the only living things in the universe you could say are none, we left bacteria on the moon, came with probes to mars, and exist is in space, so how can we say that thats how earth became poulated, a astroid comeing from another planet. We could all be aliens to Earth, and if we are we still act like bacteria. We go to a place to start a town, use the natural resources, ect, and then after we have destroyed everything there we move on to the next plot of land.
Quantem Singularity
Everyone get that?
Stellar
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thats your opinion and here is mine,


Its just my opinion that no one here knows for sure? Gee... I didnt know ppl here have proof of alien life. Please, show me it.

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earth cant be the only planet that supports life in the whole of the universe thats ridiculous , why cant there be other planets out there with animal life HUH? as that is all what aliens are - animals just like us


I'm quite aware of what categorises an alien. And sure, its possible that there are other planets with life, but its just a possibility. Earth very well CAN be the only planet that supports life in the whole universe... that is another possibility. Now, since you have no proof at all of alien existence, you can not say "yes aliens exist" nor can you say "no they do not", you remain unsure of their existence.

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The chances of us being the only living things in the universe you could say are none,


No you cant say that.

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we left bacteria on the moon, came with probes to mars,


Thats not alien, unless you want to also call the astronauts on the ISS aliens... btw, theres no evidence at all that any bacteria survived on the moon nor Mars, if any were deposed.

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and exist is in space,


Thats speculation. If scientists found bacteria that existed in space, the "hunt for extraterrestrial life" would be over by now, no?

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so how can we say that thats how earth became poulated, a astroid comeing from another planet. We could all be aliens to Earth, and if we are we still act like bacteria. We go to a place to start a town, use the natural resources, ect, and then after we have destroyed everything there we move on to the next plot of land.


The key word in that quote is "could"
Quantem Singularity
When we brought back moon rocks the was anthrax on them, it also sucsesfully thawed, and was alive. We could be the only life, but the chance is so small.
Stellar
Link plz.

And how do you know how big the chance is? Hell, if there is even a chance, it means you cant be sure.
tags
QUOTE(Stellar @ Nov 14 2005, 03:42 AM) [snapback]930767[/snapback]

Link plz.

And how do you know how big the chance is? Hell, if there is even a chance, it means you cant be sure.

sure theres a chance there are aliens, just like there is a chance there is a god, there is even a chance that god created the aliens also and chose not to inform us about them. i believe in god, but find no real reason to suspect there is intelligent life on other planets, not saying its impossible, but more improbable.
Guardsman Bass
QUOTE(Stellar @ Nov 13 2005, 02:52 PM) [snapback]930251[/snapback]

I wonder where all these people get their "chances" talk from.
Of course huh? We cant be the only living organisms in the universe huh? Why not?

Simply put, none of you can honestly speak in absolutes, and if you put down a "yes", you're no better than the ones who put down a "no" IMO.


The Poll question was whether or not we believed that other life existed in the universe, not whether we knew if there was other life. Part of the problem is that, at least in my case, I don't have an absolute 'yes', 'no', or 'don't know' answer - that's why I said it was a tentative yes, because of what we know about the origin of life on Earth.
hazzard
QUOTE(Quantem Singularity @ Nov 14 2005, 04:25 AM) [snapback]930747[/snapback]

When we brought back moon rocks the was anthrax on them, it also sucsesfully thawed, and was alive.


ROFL laugh.gif There most certainly was not.
Like most bacteria Bacillus anthracis (creates the spores in contact with air)needs liquid water and O2 , there is neither on the moon.

No bacteria,live or dead,has ever been found on another moon or planet to this date.

The jury is still out on the Mars rock (ALH84001)
Stellar
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The Poll question was whether or not we believed that other life existed in the universe, not whether we knew if there was other life.


Really? Care to show me the word "believe" in any part of that poll, because I sure as hell cant find it!

user26071
QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Nov 13 2005, 08:54 AM) [snapback]929818[/snapback]

Do aliens exist? Most probably; our universe is absolutely massive.

Have they visited us? Nothing but anecdotes to support that claim, so no...


You took the words right outa my mouth. laugh.gif
Guardsman Bass
QUOTE(Stellar @ Nov 14 2005, 05:52 AM) [snapback]931092[/snapback]

Really? Care to show me the word "believe" in any part of that poll, because I sure as hell cant find it!


That is what the OP implied, by telling you to vote then state your reasons. You seem rather upset about this.
Stellar
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That is what the OP implied, by telling you to vote then state your reasons. You seem rather upset about this.


Not only did the poll ask simply "do they exist", but the reasons for people voting "yes" shows that they really dont know, and not only that but ppl critisize those who dont know. Its all hypocritical.
xstortionist
I feel they are out there somewhere...but i also feel that they are no where as advanced as we are. I also feel that if they are as advanced as us..then they are probably scared to come down to earth...the reason being is because they know that we have weapons was more far advanced then they...but it is hard to tell if other civilations in the universe are as diverse and dynamic as ourselves....if it ever came down to a war between us and aliens...we'd more then likely blow up our own planet...just to make the point that if we can't live on this planet...then nobody can.
tags
QUOTE(xstortionist @ Nov 14 2005, 08:29 PM) [snapback]931623[/snapback]

I feel they are out there somewhere...but i also feel that they are no where as advanced as we are. I also feel that if they are as advanced as us..then they are probably scared to come down to earth...the reason being is because they know that we have weapons was more far advanced then they...but it is hard to tell if other civilations in the universe are as diverse and dynamic as ourselves....if it ever came down to a war between us and aliens...we'd more then likely blow up our own planet...just to make the point that if we can't live on this planet...then nobody can.

if they are only as advanced as us the reason they have not visited is not because of weapons its because they CANT!!!! We cant visit them so if they are as advanced as us technologically that is they sure as hell cannot visit here!!!!!!!!!!!!
(i do not believe in advanced forms of intelligent life outside earth anyway)
Stellar
What would make you think that all the aliens (if there are any in the first place) would be only as advanced as us?
anomoly
do they exist? Of course. To assume that they do not simply because there is no "proof' is typical of man when confronted with the unknown. he will explain it away with words & nothing more. But logically if the universe is infinite, which it is to our tiny minds, how could they not? What is it that would make one assume we are IT? (We are taught from birth to protect ourselves with specific actions which include a constant internal dialog. If one suspends this dialog then what do you have left? A very large unknown universe which includes ufo's. They obviously do not see any benefit in proving themselves-quite the contrary.)
There are numerous instances of man thinking such & such is not possible. Every single time we have been proved wrong. We know absolutely nothing about the universe, our own planet or even ourselves. If there were no such thing as "ufo"'s, I would agree. I know that the reason why they do not prove themselves is simply because the time is not right. If I do not see it, if I do not hear it, if I do not feel it then it does not exist-that is a fine example of logic. Unfortunately it holds no water. Atoms do not exist but to electron microscopes. Black holes don't exist but to telescopes either. If I never looked up to the heavens they would not exist either. You may think what you wish simply by attending to what you want. It means absolutely nothing. If you never ventured a mile from your house then the rest of the world would not exist except on tv.
In short just because YOU have no proof is irrelevant to what lurks just beyond your limited physical awareness., which apparently from what I have been told is a space larger than which we can comprehend. Just keep telling yourself that such & such does not exist & be sure to keep your eyes closed too.
tags
QUOTE(Stellar @ Nov 14 2005, 08:51 PM) [snapback]931655[/snapback]

What would make you think that all the aliens (if there are any in the first place) would be only as advanced as us?

i am a christian. so i am compelled to believe in aliens. but not in the hollywood sense. it is more a technicality, angels etc are created beings who if they vist earth, which they have done according to the bible, they are technically aliens. they are certainly more advanced than us, or at least are not constrained by our laws of nature.
Stellar
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do they exist? Of course. To assume that they do not simply because there is no "proof' is typical of man when confronted with the unknown.


How hypocritical. Like I said, to say "yes they do exist" is just as bad as saying "no they do not." If there is no proof, that just shows that you can not be sure whether they exist or not!

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But logically if the universe is infinite, which it is to our tiny minds, how could they not?


Who says the universe is infinite?

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There are numerous instances of man thinking such & such is not possible. Every single time we have been proved wrong.


And in this case, you think the nonexistence of aliens is not possible. We'll see if the trend continues...

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Just keep telling yourself that such & such does not exist & be sure to keep your eyes closed too.


Who are you talking to?
Stellar
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i am a christian. so i am compelled to believe in aliens.


Being christian compelles you to believe in aliens? Many christians dont feel compelled to believe in aliens because of their religion. You're not compelled by your religion to believe in aliens, you simply do.

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it is more a technicality, angels etc are created beings who if they vist earth, which they have done according to the bible, they are technically aliens.


Meh. We both know what ppl are talking about aliens. By that same logic, I can interpret an illegal alien in the US or Canada or any country to be proof of aliens. If you want to believe that aliens are angels, go ahead. I make the distinction between the two, as ppl should. In either case, it doesnt make you any more right in saying "yes".

Edited for swearing....
-Disinterested
tags
QUOTE(Stellar @ Nov 14 2005, 09:05 PM) [snapback]931670[/snapback]

Being christian compelles you to believe in aliens? Many christians dont feel compelled to believe in aliens because of their religion. You're not compelled by your religion to believe in aliens, you simply do.
Meh. We both know what ppl are talking about aliens. By that same logic, I can interpret an illegal alien in the US or Canada or any country to be proof of aliens. If you want to believe that aliens are angels, go ahead. I make the distinction between the two, as ppl should. In either case, it doesnt make you any more right in saying "yes".

if im talking BULL then define alien for me.
We both know what ppl are talking about aliens.
oh DO WE? You are just being foolish by your foreigner analogy.

PLEASE ANSWER THIS
What negates an angel from being an alien?
WHAT ARE THE LAWS OF BEING A CERTIFIED ALIEN????????
LATER.

Swearing....
-Disinterested
Stellar
We both know that when people here say "alien" they're refering to extraterrestrial biological entities, not spiritual entities.

If you want to throw angels into that pool, you should be willing to thus not only admit that they could very well not exist, but that they are no more special than humans.
theSOURCE
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if im talking BULLSHIT then define alien for me.


In this instance, the thread is referring to a biological species that evolved on another planet.

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PLEASE ANSWER THIS
What negates an angel from being an alien?


An angel is a mythological being that was invented by theologians. It is in the same category as chimeras, harpies, demons, etc., that are part of religious mythology. It has nothing to do with a possible biological lifeform.

Edit: Stellar beat me to the reply. original.gif
Lilly
QUOTE(tags @ Nov 14 2005, 09:01 PM) [snapback]931667[/snapback]

i am a christian. so i am compelled to believe in aliens. but not in the hollywood sense. it is more a technicality, angels etc are created beings who if they vist earth, which they have done according to the bible, they are technically aliens. they are certainly more advanced than us, or at least are not constrained by our laws of nature.


Apparently, not all Christians feel that the notion of aliens is a good thing. Here's what Pat Robertson has to say about the UFO/alien question.

My advice to UFO believers, and any potential ET visitors to Earth, be very careful who you contact. You just might get stoned to death! user posted image
anomoly
Who says the universe is infinite? I should not have to explain this one Stellar-you with the assinine but cute signature. If you were a baby, would not the earth be infinite. This is an example of scale. The universe is finite, according to the latest scientists, but, it is our reasoning that cannot fathom the extent. You can say to yourself the universe is finite, I agree & completely understand this, but until you have actual experience with this lmited space you are just blowing hot air.
Who am I talking to? Didn't YOU reply. Your greatest defense is only in attacking those who do believe. A very weak argument. This is about belief not proof. If you believe something that someone else doesn't, or vice versa it does not give you the right or ability to say they are wrong. You really need to lose the sig, it is condescending & makes you look arrogant & is not very flattering to yourself when you attack another's beliefs with NO PROOF.
Stellar
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The universe is finite, according to the latest scientists, but, it is our reasoning that cannot fathom the extent.


If the universe is finite, then no matter how small we feel, it is still finite.

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You can say to yourself the universe is finite, I agree & completely understand this, but until you have actual experience with this lmited space you are just blowing hot air.


Umm, how would it be "blowing hot air" by not saying the universe is infinite.

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Who am I talking to? Didn't YOU reply.


Yes I did reply, but I find it hard to believe you're adressing me as someone who believes aliens dont exist...

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Your greatest defense is only in attacking those who do believe. A very weak argument.


Showing people that they are not sure whether aliens exist is a weak argument? I'd have thought such a weak argument wouldnt have got so much attention.

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This is about belief not proof.


Which is where I show that saying "yes" is no better than saying "no", and while peopl say "yes" to a pole written in absolute terms, they clearly indicate in their reasoning that they are not sure.

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If you believe something that someone else doesn't, or vice versa it does not give you the right or ability to say they are wrong.


The fact that its not proven aliens exist, however, does give me the right to say that those people who talk, or in this case, vote yes or no in absolute terms ARE wrong.

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You really need to lose the sig, it is condescending & makes you look arrogant & is not very flattering to yourself when you attack another's beliefs with NO PROOF.


My very argument IS that there is no proof, hence people can not be sure of their existence.
Radioactive Man
Hey it's all opinions! Can't we all just get along? laugh.gif
Nadal
I mean...We've had to come from some other form of life from some other "area" in the universe so we can't be the first lifeforms in the universe...but might be the only ones still alive today.
Disinterested
Watch the language, guys....
Stellar
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We've had to come from some other form of life from some other "area" in the universe so we can't be the first lifeforms in the universe...but might be the only ones still alive today.


Why did we have to?
Quantem Singularity
Of course the univers in finie, but that does not mean alien life doesn't exist in it. Even if the universe didn't have anyother life, other dimensions, shall I say INFINITE dimensions would hold life. tongue.gif
Nadal
Well, if most religion is wrong...we'd have to...and most religion is...considering only one can be right.
Quantem Singularity
Their out there


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Stellar
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Of course the univers in finie, but that does not mean alien life doesn't exist in it.


I never said it did.

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Even if the universe didn't have anyother life, other dimensions, shall I say INFINITE dimensions would hold life.


Do you know what a dimension is? Depth is a dimension. Time is a dimension. Those are two dimensions.

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Well, if most religion is wrong...we'd have to...and most religion is...considering only one can be right.


Why would we have to?
Quantem Singularity
True yet, do you actually beleive the exist and if you don't why is there no no's on the poll.
Stellar
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True yet, do you actually beleive the exist and if you don't why is there no no's on the poll.


Like I said, I dont know.

I'd like it if they did exist, though.
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