Julian Penrod
4 Fairfield Avenue
West Caldwell, New Jersey 07006
(973) 220-1601
julianpenrod@comcast.net
November 5, 2005
To all:
There are many characteristics associated with chemtrails that go beyond just the appearance of the trails themselves. Since chemtrails apparently involve the doping of the atmosphere with a number of chemical substances, the result of that dissemination should also be considered. And that can take many forms. There are, for example, the numerous types of clouds and bizarre meteorological phenomena associated with the beginning of chemtailing. There is the effect it can have on animals in the air, most notably, birds. And there is the impact the substances can have on the places where they fall as rain.
Plants have been producing poorly, for the last few years. Supposedly, twelve counties in northern New York State filed for emergency protection, last year, due to anomalously low crop yields. It is not uncommon to find tasteless and even highly blemished produce, lately. The tendency of seed companies not to provide the same breed of plants, year to year, and even the laws passed against farmers using the same seeds from the previous year, may be intended to protect against crops resistant to the apparent poisons in the air and the groundwater becoming prevalent!
The behavior of birds in the past few years has ben extremely abewrrant, too. From flocks of birds sudenly plunging out of the sky to groups of birds all suddenly dying of liquifying or electricution of their internal organs to wholesale disappearances of colonies of birds indicate that something is affecting them. And that, too, seems to coincide with the beginning of chemtrailing.
Because they are the closest to the chemtrails, and about the simplest, most direst result, clouds seem to be among the most obvious indications of the substances being sprayed. Chemtrails have an entire bestiary of clouds associated with them, from black bottom clouds to "hole punch clouds" to the evidently new phenomenon called "fractured sky". Such things as "land hurricanes" and the general spate of bizarre weather can also be directly linked to the onset of chemtrails in 1997. Also associated with chemtrails, and occurring in the sky, is what is known as the “black ray", a dark, line-shaped region, that often accompanies a chemtrail. Many try to skirt the issue by summarily defining the "black ray" to be a shadow, but, in many ways, it does not act like a shadow.
Tursday, October 20, was a particularly odd day. A large part of the sky was covered with the kind of cirro cumulus decks often called “mackerel sky”. Not a great deal of blue sky was visible, at times. There was chemtrailing, that day, because several were seen. However, there were also several other manifestations often associated with chemtrails.
There were a large number of what could be called “hole punch clouds”. This was unusual, because, in general, “holes” occur alone, in a cloud deck. At times, this day, however, there were as many as five “holes” in the single cloud deck! They all had the characteristics associated with “holes” in individual clouds. They were occurring in a relatively thin cirro cumulus deck. They had relatively sharp edges and wisps of descending mist in their centers. Unlike most other “holes”, though, they were mostly oblong, not circular.
Even more than that, though, making this day unusual, was an occurrence, as well, of the “black ray”. At one point, a chemtrail could be seen through one of the “holes” in the sky above the deck. To the west of the chemtrail, a thick black line could be seen in the cloud deck!
“Nay-sayers” would claim this is only a shadow from the chemtrail. But some important points need to be considered. First, the chemtrail supposedly throwing the shadow can be seen through the “hole”, and it is nowhere near as thick as the “ray”. The sun’s rays are nearly parallel, so a chemtrail’s shadow on a cloud would have to be about as thick as the trail is. Also, how even could the shadow be seen through the cloud? Even though they were thinner than cumulus clouds, the cirro cumulus deck was at least several hundred feet thick. It shouldn’t be possible for the shadow from a thin chemtrail to produce so dark a region through that much cloud!
A picture of this is below.
Another point should be brought up. For all the “black rays” are supposed to be something as usual as shadows, they are rarely if ever seen, even when cirro cumulus clouds are in the sky! In fact, they normally don’t seem to occur, on the East Coast, more often than once every three months, or so. Yet, since October 20, there have been no fewer than five cases of “black rays” over northeastern New Jersey!
Sooner or later, one would at least hope, facts would have to trump any proclivities to disbelieve, out of hand.
Julian Penrod
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o_o;; Woah...I'd say more but Im at school. =P Just wow...
QUOTE(julianpenrod @ Nov 14 2005, 05:44 AM) [snapback]930877[/snapback]
There are many characteristics associated with chemtrails that go beyond just the appearance of the trails themselves. Since chemtrails apparently involve the doping of the atmosphere with a number of chemical substances, the result of that dissemination should also be considered. And that can take many forms. There are, for example, the numerous types of clouds and bizarre meteorological phenomena associated with the beginning of chemtailing.
You'r right! Until chemtrailing strated, cirrus clouds and irridescence never existed! All the accounts and photos of such stuff are clearly faked (right back to Greek times.....)
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There is the effect it can have on animals in the air, most notably, birds.
Presumably flying pigs aremn't affected so much....
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And there is the impact the substances can have on the places where they fall as rain.
So that's what causes rain!!!!!
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Chemtrails have an entire bestiary of clouds associated with them, from black bottom clouds to "hole punch clouds" to the evidently new phenomenon called "fractured sky".
Yeah, before chemtrails every cloud was pure white.....
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Such things as "land hurricanes"
(which incidently is something Julian made up all by himself)
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and the general spate of bizarre weather can also be directly linked to the onset of chemtrails in 1997.
Which begs the question as to why there is film of 'chemtrails' dating back to 1940.....
Plants and animals are behaving strange because of global warming. In the days following 9/11, when all planes were grounded, I still saw cirrus clouds. I believed in the chemtrail theories, and they may be true, but cirrus clouds are cirrus clouds.
Julian Penrod
4 Fairfield Avenue
West Caldwell, New Jersey 07006
(973) 220-1601
julianpenrod@comcast.net
November 19, 2005
To all:
The replies by Essan and guitarist6987876 supply a good example of the forms of "dispute" employed by "debunkers", in their attempts to obfuscate issues and obstruct the truth. The responses, most notably Essan's, employ "debunker" strategies of misrepresentation, misinterpretation, ridicule and determined avoidance of addressing the actual issue at hand.
In reply to my pointing out that many strange meterological phenomena are occurring today, apparently due to - certainly coinciding with the advent of! - chemtrails, Essan deliberately misquotes me, saying "Until chemtrailing strated [sic], cirrus clouds and irridescence [sic] never existed!" I never said that cirrus clouds didn't exist before chemtrailing! To ascribe that statement to me is deliberately misleading.
I said that the substances in the air can have an effect on animals in the air, most especially birds, to which Essan mockingly replied, "Presumably flying pigs aremn't [sic] affected so much..." Is it that Essan isn't intellectually advanced enough to be aware of the fact that bats are in the air, and, while they aren't mammals, flying insects are considered animals?
I speak of substances falling as rain, to which Essan rejoins, "So that's what causes rain!!!" I didn't say they cause rain, I said "they fall as rain", which means that they either entered raindrops and fall to earth, or even become so concentrated that they can fall as drops, along with normal rain. You would think that Essan might have more in their life than acting like the belligerent drunk, viciously shouting down valid assertions!
When I mention "black clouds", "hole punch clouds" and "fracture sky", Essan supplies, "Yeah, before chemtrails every cloud was pure white....." I never said every cloud was pure white, either, but there does not seem to be any case of thin clouds being as unnaturally black on their undersides as they often are, today, even on bright, sunny days. A good example of this is shown below. It's also instructive that Essan brought up, but didn't address "hole punch clouds" and the phenomenon that even pilots seem to be commenting on as being new, namely, "fractured sky"!
As for Essan asserting, evidently out of whole cloth, that the term "land hurricanes" is "something Julian made up all by himself", I could refer Essan back to Chemtrail Central. Between 2002 and 2004, the phenomenon received some mention there. It was there that the description of a "land hurricane" began. I suggested "dry cyclone", since it seems to rely on a substance in the air other than water, and employed it a couple of times, but, then, used "land hurricane" most often. It is questionable just how much of what Essan says they say without sufficient background!
Essan then turns to a standard of "debunker" dodges, namely, "a film of 'chemtrails' dating back to 1940'". The film in question, which, incidentally, is apparently only one reference out of almost 60 years of films between 1940 and 1997, the officially established beginning of chemtrails, depicts a group of Allied bombers trailing a smoky substance from their wingtips. The only reference Essan can come up with is something in wartime? Is this Essan's admission that chemtrails are a military-related and not, therefore, normal? In fact, the material the planes were trailing, supposedly, was somthing to scramble radar. Why would that be being used now? And, if it were being used, then that, too, would be an admission that chemtrails are not normal vapor, but a substance being pumped into the air!
For their part, guitarist6987879 evidently unwittingly demonstrates the questionable nature of chemtrails in the manner that so many, these days, also apparently unknowingly, actually attest to the fact that something deliberate is being done to the air. Guitarist6987879 refers to plants and animals "behaving strange [sic] because of global warming". In fact, global warming seems to have become the new catchall phrase to explain away what is happening. This is evident in the fact that it has become so widespread! For decades, politicians and even the media have avoided wholesale ascribing of events to global warming. They might have mentioned the phrase, but not invoked it as they do now. The conniving and corrupt have always been known to keep stables of "sacrificial lambs" to throw to the wolves, to explain away any discrepancies, rather than admit the truth! When the last spurious explanation became threadbare, they would come up with something new! The fact that they so steadfastly avoided mentioning global warming, yet now trot it out at the drop of a hat, is strong evidence that it isn't global warming to blame! Remember El Nino, that was the handy whipping boy since the Seventies for particularly strong weather. They didn't need global warming when they had so many people apparently hoodwinked by El Nino! Now, however, the weather has become so utterly bizarre that even that is inadequate! So they are now tossing global warming into the pot! Until that starts to be inadequate to explain away the truth! There seems to be a suggestion that quislings might turn to "climate change" next, to avoid admitting that the weather is the result of engineering, using, among other things, chemtrails!
And, while apparently grudgingly acceding the possible existence of chemtrails, guitarist6987876 says, "but cirrus clouds are cirrus clouds". Where did I say that no cirrus clouds are natural? I spoke about "holes" in a cirro cumulus bank, and I said the "holes" could be related to chemtrails, or, perhaps, the alien material being pumped into the atmosphere gathering in one spot and dropping out. But I did not say that all cirrus clouds are necessarily caused by chemtrails!
And where, in both Essan's and guitarist6987876's explications, is any reference to the "black ray"? If they possess the truth, why don't they supply it?
Incidentally, below is a picture of another of the unusual spate of "black ray" appearances between October and November. On November 7, in Wayne, there were a number of chemtrails. In one spot, though, there was one chemtrail, but two "black rays"! A picture of this is below. It can be suggested the one ray is related to the one chemtrail, because it seems as wide as it is, but where is the chemtrail related to the thinner, darker ray? And, for that matter, if the rays are shadows, what are they being projected on? They appear to be in open air, or, at least, air free of enough mist to produce anything like them!
If anyone has other pictures of the "black ray", it could be interesting if they post them.
Julian Penrod
4 Fairfield Avenue
West Caldwell, New Jersey 07006
(973) 220-1601
julianpenrod@comcast.net
November 19, 2005
To all:
The replies by Essan and guitarist6987876 supply a good example of the forms of "dispute" employed by "debunkers", in their attempts to obfuscate issues and obstruct the truth. The responses, most notably Essan's, employ "debunker" strategies of misrepresentation, misinterpretation, ridicule and determined avoidance of addressing the actual issue at hand.
In reply to my pointing out that many strange meterological phenomena are occurring today, apparently due to - certainly coinciding with the advent of! - chemtrails, Essan deliberately misquotes me, saying "Until chemtrailing strated [sic], cirrus clouds and irridescence [sic] never existed!" I never said that cirrus clouds didn't exist before chemtrailing! To ascribe that statement to me is deliberately misleading.
I said that the substances in the air can have an effect on animals in the air, most especially birds, to which Essan mockingly replied, "Presumably flying pigs aremn't [sic] affected so much..." Is it that Essan isn't intellectually advanced enough to be aware of the fact that bats are in the air, and, while they aren't mammals, flying insects are considered animals?
I speak of substances falling as rain, to which Essan rejoins, "So that's what causes rain!!!" I didn't say they cause rain, I said "they fall as rain", which means that they either entered raindrops and fall to earth, or even become so concentrated that they can fall as drops, along with normal rain. You would think that Essan might have more in their life than acting like the belligerent drunk, viciously shouting down valid assertions!
When I mention "black clouds", "hole punch clouds" and "fracture sky", Essan supplies, "Yeah, before chemtrails every cloud was pure white....." I never said every cloud was pure white, either, but there does not seem to be any case of thin clouds being as unnaturally black on their undersides as they often are, today, even on bright, sunny days. A good example of this is shown below. It's also instructive that Essan brought up, but didn't address "hole punch clouds" and the phenomenon that even pilots seem to be commenting on as being new, namely, "fractured sky"!
As for Essan asserting, evidently out of whole cloth, that the term "land hurricanes" is "something Julian made up all by himself", I could refer Essan back to Chemtrail Central. Between 2002 and 2004, the phenomenon received some mention there. It was there that the description of a "land hurricane" began. I suggested "dry cyclone", since it seems to rely on a substance in the air other than water, and employed it a couple of times, but, then, used "land hurricane" most often. It is questionable just how much of what Essan says they say without sufficient background!
Essan then turns to a standard of "debunker" dodges, namely, "a film of 'chemtrails' dating back to 1940'". The film in question, which, incidentally, is apparently only one reference out of almost 60 years of films between 1940 and 1997, the officially established beginning of chemtrails, depicts a group of Allied bombers trailing a smoky substance from their wingtips. The only reference Essan can come up with is something in wartime? Is this Essan's admission that chemtrails are a military-related and not, therefore, normal? In fact, the material the planes were trailing, supposedly, was somthing to scramble radar. Why would that be being used now? And, if it were being used, then that, too, would be an admission that chemtrails are not normal vapor, but a substance being pumped into the air!
For their part, guitarist6987879 evidently unwittingly demonstrates the questionable nature of chemtrails in the manner that so many, these days, also apparently unknowingly, actually attest to the fact that something deliberate is being done to the air. Guitarist6987879 refers to plants and animals "behaving strange [sic] because of global warming". In fact, global warming seems to have become the new catchall phrase to explain away what is happening. This is evident in the fact that it has become so widespread! For decades, politicians and even the media have avoided wholesale ascribing of events to global warming. They might have mentioned the phrase, but not invoked it as they do now. The conniving and corrupt have always been known to keep stables of "sacrificial lambs" to throw to the wolves, to explain away any discrepancies, rather than admit the truth! When the last spurious explanation became threadbare, they would come up with something new! The fact that they so steadfastly avoided mentioning global warming, yet now trot it out at the drop of a hat, is strong evidence that it isn't global warming to blame! Remember El Nino, that was the handy whipping boy since the Seventies for particularly strong weather. They didn't need global warming when they had so many people apparently hoodwinked by El Nino! Now, however, the weather has become so utterly bizarre that even that is inadequate! So they are now tossing global warming into the pot! Until that starts to be inadequate to explain away the truth! There seems to be a suggestion that quislings might turn to "climate change" next, to avoid admitting that the weather is the result of engineering, using, among other things, chemtrails!
And, while apparently grudgingly acceding the possible existence of chemtrails, guitarist6987876 says, "but cirrus clouds are cirrus clouds". Where did I say that no cirrus clouds are natural? I spoke about "holes" in a cirro cumulus bank, and I said the "holes" could be related to chemtrails, or, perhaps, the alien material being pumped into the atmosphere gathering in one spot and dropping out. But I did not say that all cirrus clouds are necessarily caused by chemtrails!
And where, in both Essan's and guitarist6987876's explications, is any reference to the "black ray"? If they possess the truth, why don't they supply it?
Incidentally, below is a picture of another of the unusual spate of "black ray" appearances between October and November. On November 7, in Wayne, there were a number of chemtrails. In one spot, though, there was one chemtrail, but two "black rays"! A picture of this is below. It can be suggested the one ray is related to the one chemtrail, because it seems as wide as it is, but where is the chemtrail related to the thinner, darker ray? And, for that matter, if the rays are shadows, what are they being projected on? They appear to be in open air, or, at least, air free of enough mist to produce anything like them!
If anyone has other pictures of the "black ray", it could be interesting if they post them.
Julian Penrod
Wow....clouds.
For some reason, I see chemtrails everyday where i live. Im located in Los Angeles California USA... i started to take pictures of chemtrails and this is just alarming. My cousing who lives near San Diego,CA USA also spots many chem clouds.
These pics i took where on a good day where i didnt see many.
I have many many more pics of these clouds.
These pics i took where on a good day where i didnt see many.
I have many many more pics of these clouds.
We've all seen planes flying overhead. Sometimes they leave long lasting contrails behind them. Well, someone got it into his head that these contrails weren't "normal".
Contrails (condensation trails) are created in an aircraft's wake when ice forms around the small particles of soot or aerosol that are expelled from the engines of the craft. These trails are formed behind the plane because the relative humidity increases due to the mixing of warm, moist exhaust gases and the colder, less humid ambient air of the atmosphere. Contrails will generally become visible roughly about one wingspan distance behind the aircraft and may be formed by propeller as well as jet turbine powered aircraft.
The term "Chemtrail" was coined by the conspiracy theorists to help gain credibility amongst people who can't think for themselves.
http://www.seawana.com/conspiracy_chemtrails.php?page=2
Contrails (condensation trails) are created in an aircraft's wake when ice forms around the small particles of soot or aerosol that are expelled from the engines of the craft. These trails are formed behind the plane because the relative humidity increases due to the mixing of warm, moist exhaust gases and the colder, less humid ambient air of the atmosphere. Contrails will generally become visible roughly about one wingspan distance behind the aircraft and may be formed by propeller as well as jet turbine powered aircraft.
The term "Chemtrail" was coined by the conspiracy theorists to help gain credibility amongst people who can't think for themselves.
http://www.seawana.com/conspiracy_chemtrails.php?page=2
The science behind contrail formation and persistent contrails has been known for decades.
http://naca.larc.nasa.gov/reports/1942/naca-wr-l-474/
http://naca.larc.nasa.gov/reports/1942/naca-wr-l-474/
QUOTE(frenat @ Nov 23 2005, 02:15 PM) [snapback]946156[/snapback]
The science behind contrail formation and persistent contrails has been known for decades.
http://naca.larc.nasa.gov/reports/1942/naca-wr-l-474/
well..i dunno...but what strikes me the most is these "contrails" stay up there for hours at a time..... some spread over.....Ive seen a normal military jet plane fly by and leave a short lived contrail while another passes by leaving a 4 hour long "contrail".
its calld global dimming, the UN have published a lot of reports on it, basicaly to try and stem the amount of UV radiation that were being bombarded with its practiced by many goverments, when the twin towers got nuked to the ground the average global temprature rose considerably more becuase there were less clouds to sheild the suns rays, bit of a catch 22. As for militaries hijacking these planes and putting chemichals in them, i dunno, wouldnt suprise though in all honesty, i know a lot of people who receive minor illness after chemtrails have appeared like colds and flu's, pretty strange that.
QUOTE(PLO @ Nov 30 2005, 11:30 PM) [snapback]956047[/snapback]
its calld global dimming, the UN have published a lot of reports on it, basicaly to try and stem the amount of UV radiation that were being bombarded with its practiced by many goverments, when the twin towers got nuked to the ground the average global temprature rose considerably more becuase there were less clouds to sheild the suns rays, bit of a catch 22. As for militaries hijacking these planes and putting chemichals in them, i dunno, wouldnt suprise though in all honesty, i know a lot of people who receive minor illness after chemtrails have appeared like colds and flu's, pretty strange that.
what?
what does the twin towers being hit by planes have to do with the amount of clouds in the sky.
i honestly dont get what the theory behind this conspiracy is, what would be the purpose of dropping chemicals in the air.
i have watched trails from aeroplanes stay in the sky for a long time, i was out taking photos, and wanted some of a sunrise, but this one trail from a plane just would not shift from the view, i would say it was there for at least 30 minuites to an hour.
this seems like over active imagination, mixed with unrational thinking and jumping to conclutions, or just weirdnes...
I don't need any other evidence that what I think I'm seeing around me to believe that Someone is putting Something in the air and Intentionally.
Really, I would be Very disappointed in our military if they haven't done several different things like that for several different purposes.
I think many respiratory ailments are if not caused, than exageratted in some that would not have any ailment under normal non-chemed conditions.
I think whatever it is, it's a black op and as a citizen I have no recourse to stop it. Public awareness would be the only thing I think.
It could be anything from biological to weather tampering. Even if it is just powdered aluminum to reflect some HAARP dealio, it would have a biological impact.
And then theres those "mysterious" rains around the country. Odd "jelly's" falling out of the sky, and weblike material.
I'm also convinced the publicly available records of "epidemic" type occourances (non leathal in testing and social engineering stage) are not correct and there are communities with minor "epidemics" that we never hear about. Minor cold/flu/respiratory ailments that the public (doctors are probably doing the best they know how, they're not "in on it") doesn't recognize for what it is due to "compartmentalization".
Yes, I do agree with Julian at times
I didn't say I TOTALLY agree with him... like the global warming side... I just don't think man has the ability. I really do think it's a natural occurance, global warming/freezing whatever is going on there. Can't wait for the pole shift.
Really, I would be Very disappointed in our military if they haven't done several different things like that for several different purposes.
I think many respiratory ailments are if not caused, than exageratted in some that would not have any ailment under normal non-chemed conditions.
I think whatever it is, it's a black op and as a citizen I have no recourse to stop it. Public awareness would be the only thing I think.
It could be anything from biological to weather tampering. Even if it is just powdered aluminum to reflect some HAARP dealio, it would have a biological impact.
And then theres those "mysterious" rains around the country. Odd "jelly's" falling out of the sky, and weblike material.
I'm also convinced the publicly available records of "epidemic" type occourances (non leathal in testing and social engineering stage) are not correct and there are communities with minor "epidemics" that we never hear about. Minor cold/flu/respiratory ailments that the public (doctors are probably doing the best they know how, they're not "in on it") doesn't recognize for what it is due to "compartmentalization".
Yes, I do agree with Julian at times
I didn't say I TOTALLY agree with him... like the global warming side... I just don't think man has the ability. I really do think it's a natural occurance, global warming/freezing whatever is going on there. Can't wait for the pole shift.
k. good luck
QUOTE(franky694 @ Nov 30 2005, 05:13 PM) [snapback]956025[/snapback]
well..i dunno...but what strikes me the most is these "contrails" stay up there for hours at a time..... some spread over.....Ive seen a normal military jet plane fly by and leave a short lived contrail while another passes by leaving a 4 hour long "contrail".
If you read through the report that was published just after World War II, it mentions that persistence of a contrail depends on altitude, temperature, and humidity. Altitude is a big factor. Can you tell the difference between a plane at 30,000 feet and a plane at 35,000 feet from the ground? No, they look the same but a difference in altitude of just 1,000 feet could cause one plane to leave a persistent contrail and another to not leave one at all.
I saw a mystery plane floating in the still air of a chemtrail. A little black dot in the sky not doing a dammmmn thing. Frankly I've seen too many 'UFOS' sitting there or moving oddly that it doesnt do anything for me anymore. 
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