which one is the smartest dinosaurs? and what did you vote and why?
thank you.

unfortunately my knowledge of Dinosaurs is limited, so I am basing my decision of Velociraptors, on the fact that they hunted in packs and communicated with each other, rather than roam around indiscriminately by themselves.


Go on tell me I'm barking up the wrong tree.

i said troodon

erm.. you are barking up the wrong tree

your knowledge of dinosaur is fine and you'r not barking
why didnt you vote....Iechyd da

I don't think we will ever know just which one was the smartest, but I voted for the Velociraptor.

I did I was the first!

java problems...welsh...

I voted for the Velociraptor because theoretically they can open doors.

...yele.... as always you make the

Deinonychus antirrhopus, well, velocirapter was small and fast and a pack animal, big Deinonychus antirrhopus was bigger, and plenty fast, also from what i have read would have hunted in small groups of two or three, plus that huge middle toe-claw, like a steak knife, they say it could have been.

Troodon, largest brain of any dinosaur, largest brain to body size ratio, large eyes, very nimble, and it was a raptor

A large brain does not necessarily equate to intelligence. Einstein, for example, did not have a larger brain, just more dendrites. Dendrites is what it's all about.
Hmmmm...ignore me.

...Larger brain equals bigger spinal cord...more dendrites...Its eyes were the most adapted too..

Dendrites come from learning. You can have a big brain but be dumb as rocks.

Shouldn't this be hypothetical smartness? I mean we can't really be sure...

You're right. And since the Velociraptor can hypothetically open a door, they are the smartest.

He doesn't have a big brain in the first place

And a big brain doesn't necessarily equate to intelligence. There are people with virtually no brain mass and they can score a 120 on an IQ test. Sip on that.

Well, comparing a dino to a human is not accurate...

A highly agree that a Dinosaur with larger eyes and brains are smarter than one with the size of a walnut...
"Dinosaur smarts" are their senses and will to survive, not how they can open doors and strategize...Insticts and senses will overpower all...

I vote for the crocodile, their smart enough to make it this far.

But a human can open a door. A donkey cannot.
The human is smarter than the donkey.

you have Jurrasic Park havent you?


any way just because they may be able to open doors dosent make them smart i mean some stupid people can open doors! Peter Griffen for example however my vote still goes to the raptor king becouse they might have made battle plans and could communicate











alien

Hmmmm....good point.

I'm still stickin' with my Brain theory for Troodon

well i voted velociraptor coz its a smart dino hunted in packs n also that it could communitcate and thus being a perfect hunter, (after watchin jurrassic park) i found that the dino expert guy in number 3 said that if the velociraptors didnt die out the food chain woulda been different and us and them woulda been the domanent species.

and anyways peter griffins the bomb he dont need to open a door he just breaks it!!

you mean hypothetically the smartest right?

Since we really do not know much about doors and the locking mechanisms that existed in the Mesozoic, all we have to go by is brain size vs. body weight, and until another dino is found to challenge it, Troodon wins. It also has binocular, man like vision, unlike most dinos.

But as others have pointed out, this does not necessarily prove they are the most intelligent, but it is the basis for the "best guess". We probably have not found the most intelligent dinos yet. If there is any truth to world-wide dragon legends, including Judao-Christian theology, perhaps the most intelligent of all ancient reptilians survived extinction as reported in cultures around the world.

Stay on topic.

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Rules are here for a reason DC.

Yes, I'm taking my stand on troodon becuase it is the best possible reason...

DC...Read what Zandore said...

just because he mentioned dragons doesn't mean a thing, frogboy.
Healso agreed with you on the Troodon, but i still say Deinonychus antirrhopus, would be better suited, simply for size, and the other raptors would have avoided these beast, and yes even he would have avoided the Troodon.
I see your point DC, if any dinos survived(doubtful) they would have been the smarter of beasties, they might explain the dragon myths, but not entirely.

I can't be bothered reading through the whole thread, so I don't know if this was posted or not, but a dinosaur's intelligence was estimated based on its brain mass (the size of the brain cavity in its skull) compaired to its body.

In that regard, Troodon was by far and away the most intelligent of the bunch...although even then it was pretty stupid, only about as intelligent as an ostridge.

Despite its high score (probably brought on by the many, many myths inspired by jurrasic park) velociraptor was pretty stupid.

Dragons: Just say no!

please don't be a smart-ass(pardon my language).

Well, old man, DC brings up dragons in every single thread!
We are telling him to stay on topic....we are talking about dinosaurs, not dragons...Yes, there IS a difference!

pardon my french here, but no sh**, how ever, if any dinos survived it would be because they are smart, and dragons are said be similar to dinos, and if any dinos lived long after, they would be seen as the dragons we know of today, so pardon me, little boy, if i am an old man than DC is the fool.

How do you like being called old now?
Now on, use my real name, or abbrevaitions...FF...not FrogBoy...

Do you hear me old man?

DarkLordofHell, you can say what you want without patronizing someone and twisting their name around. You're very mature for an "old man"to use "frogboy".
edit: I wasn't aware you were born in 86. I'm impressed.

Children, please I seem to remember this was a conversation about dinosaurs, not about whether or not DarkLordOfHELL was around at the same time they were (it should be noted, he's younger than me )

Anyway, in the hopes of sparking some discussion, how about we dispell some of the myths that Jurrassic Park very unfortunately created about Velocoraptors?

Gladly....They are too big...They are the size of a dog, yet are portrayed as big as ostriches, and as fast as them too...they were not that fast

Yes...I can only imagine that somewhere along the way, the gent who wrote the book decided he wanted Deinonychus to be in his story, but that Velociraptor had a scarier name Either that, or someone at Hammond's company screwed up when they labeled the DNA petri dishes.

If I recall correctly, raptors invented calculus...

...Oh no, wait, that was Newton. I guess that doesn't count...Nevermind.

I am not sure how one would decide which dino was the smartest, as it is generally speculation as to how they lived and what they did. Would who survived the longest be an indicator? Or would that just be a case of wild luck that they were in the right place at the right time with the right skills to be able to outlast whatever challenges that came their way. Brain size is a good indicator, but it would be hard to estimate the effect of having a slightly larger brain; is the brain power of the larger brain actually utilized? I am not sure if I am able to explain my thought process... As an analogy, Albert Einstein and George Bush have approximately the same size brain, but not the same brain power...

It's not the size that counts, it's how you use it

But no...it's not so much brain size, but brain size in relation to the size of the animal. Humans, for example, have an exceptional brain mass compaired to the size of their bodies...so do dolphins, elephants, and most intelligent creatures.

Whatever way we look at it, dinosaurs were pretty stupid one way or another...this rubbish I'm reading about "they could strategise and communicate!"....oral communication is a higher brain function that no species of dinosaur would have been capable of. Estimate or not, we can certainly tell that Steven Speilberg really made life difficult for us with that one.

I agree

I chose Troodon, because it is the best candidate, evolutionarily speaking, of course, now was it smart, maybe, was it fast, most likely, was it the best, that is a matter of opinion.

well i totally doubt it will be a troodon. Only because of its size doesnt mean it was smart, able to communicate, and was not even smart enough to form a group. Anyways raptors prevailed where the stupid troodon failed to improve on. All im sayin is that its not possible for a troodon to be smart then a raptor!!




NO WAY JUST REMEMBER THAT!! WAY

You know, there was a time when, before venturing an opinon on a topic, people would do one of two things....they'd either read what was said by the people in a thread who actually knew what they were talking about, and ask questions...or they'd go on google and do a bit of research into it, and educate themselves with something other than a peice by Steven Speilberg.

None of that now...it's all screaming faboys and "I'm right, so there!" to hell with what palaeontologists and science say!

Ummmm Kronos, Troodon IS also "raptor", now that Jurassic Park has changed the name of Dromaeosaurs. And yes, that film "renamed a Dromaeosaur called Deinoneichus into "velociraptor" because it was a cooler name. Real velociraptors were quite small and would in all liklihood avoided a creature as large as a human.

And contrary to films, just because the "raptors" were depicted very intelligent and hunting in organized packs in the Jurassic Park films does not necessarily mean they really did. We will neve know these things for certain unless we really do clone dinos, or invent a time machine to observe their behaviour.

were dino's SMART? any evidence of dino cities, roads, cars, buildings, dino manuscripts, anything 'SMART'???

Not smart as in civilized as in buildings, cities, roads, or cars and such but as in able to communicate with other animals of their own species for the purpose hunting in a pack or protecting their young. A modern day analog might be wolves or porpoises.


EDIT: Short of a time machine we will never know just how smart they were.