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dattaswami
People are posing as if they are pure in this birth by saying like this. In fact, for all the previous deeds, the soul was treated completely in the upper world. When the soul takes birth in this world it is born with “Karmasesha”, which means not the remains of the action. It means the remains of that quality (Samskara or Vasana) in the soul. When a thief was strongly beaten in the police station for his action of theft, he comes out with a subtle seed of that quality. Due to the beating, that quality was very much reduced but did not vanish.

This seed is in the form of quality, which is a wrong modification of knowledge and it will never be vanished by the fruit because the fruit is also a form of action. This means action cannot destroy the quality. Only the right knowledge, which is the correct modification of the knowledge can remove that quality. The punishment, which is also a form of action cannot destroy the quality.

The agony, which is also another wrong modification of knowledge, produced during the punishment, cannot destroy this quality. This seed is called ‘Karmasesha’ or ‘Sanchita’. Therefore ‘Karmasesha’ or ‘Sanchita’ does not mean the balance of the results. It only means the balance of the quality, which is responsible for the action. When the soul is reborn, it gets a congenial atmosphere according to its seed. The seed starts germinating and this stage of the quality is called ‘Prarabdha’.

The seed slowly grows into a tree. The soul becomes very active and does a series of deeds. The fruits of these deeds will be received by the soul in the upper world. Such future fruits are called ‘Aagaami’. But some vigourous deeds give fruits in this world itself. The series of thefts of a theif are recorded in the police station (Aagaami), but sometimes the householder even before going to the police station punishes the theif. Thus the effects in this world are only the fruits of some serious actions of the soul done in this world itself.

The most serious sin done in this world is forgetting the Lord who gave so many facilities in this world without any selfishness. Even though people are praying the Lord, their love is with selfishness only. The love is not true if selfishness exists. There is no light if darkness exists. Therefore the human being is committing this greatest sin and is receiving the result of this sin in this life itself because the sin is so serious!

However, the atheists are going to be punished in the upper world only for this greatest sin. The reason is that they are used to examine the faith of the devotees of the Lord. A devotee should not be misled by seeing the happy life of an atheist in this world.

At the Lotus feet of Datta Swami

ANIL ANTONY
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Universal Spirituality for World Peace

Yelekiah
I don't think suffering is necessarily due to past deeds. A lot of "good" people suffer. I think suffering, unlike having an easy ride in life, can help us to progress. We tend to become better people and learn if our lives are challenging.
dattaswami
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Nov 15 2005, 12:16 PM) [snapback]932689[/snapback]

I don't think suffering is necessarily due to past deeds. A lot of "good" people suffer. I think suffering, unlike having an easy ride in life, can help us to progress. We tend to become better people and learn if our lives are challenging.



Why some people who are really very good suffer?


You think that a person is very good because of his nice gentle character. There are cheats who are very soft and nice. There are very good and sincere people with rough character. A soft person may be selfish and a rough person may be sacrificial. The Lord cares only for one bad quality, which is the selfishness. He neglects all the other good qualities.

A selfish person with all good qualities is like a gold cup with salt water. We pay for the material in the cup and not for the cup. A cruel person with excellent sacrifice is like the earthern cup containing nectar. Lord Siva gave salvation to the hunter for his sacrifice but not to the selfish sacred priest.

Thus we do not distinguish the real good and the real bad. The analysis of the Lord is completely practical and true and is completely different from our analysis. Regarding the problem of your child I advise you to stop worrying about your child. You worry about the work of the Lord and do not think about your problem.

In such case your problem disappears in a fraction of a second spontaneously. As long as you do not put attention on your family and concentrate on the Lord’s work, the Lord will take the responsibility of your entire family and in such case the help to your family is unimaginable.

If you concentrate on your family leaving the Lord, your problem will grow more and more. If you concentrate on the Lord and your problem equally, your problem gets partially solved. Now you have to choose one of these alternatives.


At the Lotus feet of Datta Swami

ANIL ANTONY
dattaswami
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Nov 15 2005, 12:16 PM) [snapback]932689[/snapback]

I don't think suffering is necessarily due to past deeds. A lot of "good" people suffer. I think suffering, unlike having an easy ride in life, can help us to progress. We tend to become better people and learn if our lives are challenging.



To Some body asked that the person who has done good deeds is suffering: I like to say that the observer has not observed any person every minute from the child hood. The observer also did not know the feeling of mind because even feeling is a sin. With such limitations, how the observer can say that the person has not done any sin. Only God knows everything and so the God only can give the sin and the judgement.


At the Lotus feet of Datta Swami

ANIL ANTONY
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org
http://www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
Yelekiah
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Thus we do not distinguish the real good and the real bad.

Where are you getting your information?
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To Some body asked that the person who has done good deeds is suffering: I like to say that the observer has not observed any person every minute from the child hood.

And what about newborn babies who suffer? What evil deeds have they done?
Paranoid Android
QUOTE(Yelekiah)
And what about newborn babies who suffer? What evil deeds have they done?


The rules of Karma will tell you that the newborn committed evil in a past-life. Perhaps this is the case?

Just a thought.

Regards, PA
dattaswami
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Nov 15 2005, 11:32 PM) [snapback]933286[/snapback]

Where are you getting your information?

And what about newborn babies who suffer? What evil deeds have they done?



Even fish eats some creatures and so there is no sin if I eat the fish. Even plants have life. Tsunami killed even innocent children. Can you analyze these points?



A goat is a pure vegetarian but you are eating that goat also. When you find a human being, who is a murderer, will you kill him directly or hand over him to the court? Assuming that the fish is also a murderer, you cannot kill it directly. God will punish it. In the case of the fish, you need not file a case against the fish in the court of the God, because there is no need of such filing in the case of God.

Moreover you are raising your voice against the hanging of a murderer stating, “If you cannot give life, you have no right to take it away”. You are also pleading that hanging is the most barbaric deed and that several countries have banned it. Your statement applies to the fish also, which is a murderer of the creatures. Life is common in the human being as well as the fish. Both are living beings.

If you don’t have right to take away the life of a human being, you have also no right to take the life of the fish also. The Dharma Shastras say that non-voilence is the highest justice (Ahimsa Paramo Dharmah). If you say that the fish kills the creatures for food and that there is no sin, there should not be sin if cornivorous hunters from forest enter the city and start eating the human beings.

You should not object their food also, but you will kill them because your fellow human beings are killed. If you broaden your heart and see the fish as your fellow living being, you are practicing the highest form of justice, which pleases the Lord. You cannot compare the plants with animals and birds. Even in the case of plants, the green plants should not be cut.

Plucking leaves and fruits is not killing. The crops are cut only when they die after loosing the sign of the life, which is the Green Chlorophyll. In plants life exists but mind and intelligence do not exist.

Life is called as Pranamaya Kosa. Mind is Manomaya Kosa. Intelligence is Vijnanamaya Kosa. The life is only inert mechanism of exchange process of Oxygen and Carbondioxide and release of energy by oxidation. This mechanism has no awareness of the pain. The mind is represented by the nervous system, which is not present in the plants.

The mind may be in very very primitive stage in plants as per the research of Mr. Bose. The ancient Indian sages avoided even plucking the leaves and fruits. They ate leaves and fruits when they have fallen from the plants (Swayam Viseerna Dhruva Patra Vruttita). They avoided this trace of sin also. In plucking the leaf and killing an animal, the sin is qualitatively equal, but there is a lot of quantitative difference. One percent sin and hundred percent sin cannot be equated.

Your argument concludes that if one does one percent sin, why not hundred percent sin be done? This equates to your statement that if one plucks a leaf why not we kill an animal. Are you pained equally if I steal one rupee or one lakh rupees from your pocket. The trace of sin can always be neglected. The Lord came as Bhuddha and preached this non-voilence. Veda also says that one should kill his animal nature in the sacrifice and not the animal (Manyuh Pasuh).

As you think, children are not innocent. The child of a demon has the devil characteristics in the form of seeds. The soul in a child has just entered the earth after a long punishment in the hell. The strength of the sinful attitude (Samskara) is very much reduced but did not vanish completely.

A thief when released from a police station after a long torture has the attitude of stealing in very much reduced state. The attitude did not disappear. When he comes out and enters a suitable encouraging atmosphere, this seed grows as a tree and he is caught by the police again for his theft.

Similarly when the child grows, again the grown up person does the same sin and at the end goes to the hell. This is the cycle of deeds (Karma Chakra). When a child is taken away by God, it is something like arresting the thief immediately after his release. This prevents the thief to steal again. He must be considered lucky.

The child may get a better birth. The angle of sympathy comes since you are not aware of the soul in the body of the child. The body is like a shirt and the death is only destruction of the shirt. Gita emphasizes about this aspect in the beginning itself. The plans of the Lord are not known to us. He may give a better shirt in a better place and protect the soul. We see a brief part of the film and conclude.


Only complete and thorough spiritual knowledge can remove all the doubts.



At the Lotus feet of Datta Swami

ANIL ANTONY
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org
http://www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
Yelekiah
QUOTE(dattaswami @ Nov 16 2005, 09:30 AM) [snapback]934736[/snapback]


Even fish eats some creatures and so there is no sin if I eat the fish. Even plants have life. Tsunami killed even innocent children. Can you analyze these points?


No, no, no. I don't equate suffering to death. In fact, in death, some people do not suffer. They suffer in life. From diseases. From bad backgrounds. But PA brought up a point I was going to mention-reincarnation. I don't think "God" would make a perfect paradise on Earth. He would want us to learn lessons, correct? What do we learn if there is no struggle?
If life were easy, would there be any point?
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