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antiaging
Raise the chickens in a green house type coup with clear plastic over the chicken wire on the roof and tops of the walls. The purpose is to raise the temperature in the chicken coups maybe 10 degrees or higher. [Experiments could be done to find the best temperature.] The reason for this is that flu viruses multiply well in cold weather and don't multiply well in hot weather. [That is why the immune system causes a fever, to prevent the viruses from multiplying fast, so that the immune system can kill them faster than they multiply.]
Raising the chickens in this higher temperature would allow the bird's immune system to kill the viruses faster than they multiply. This could eliminate the avian flu problem. The domestic birds would no longer get the flu.
[I saw on TV once that in France an artificial fever produced by having a person's blood warmed outside the body and then returning it to his body, actually cured him of aids. This was done in France.]
Stellar
Umm... you do realise that the human body stays at a temperature of 37C, whether its -40C outside or +40C?
antiaging
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Umm... you do realise that the human body stays at a temperature of 37C, whether its -40C outside or +40C?


Here is some information that I got on artificial fevers to cure disease from someone that is studying it.

indeed a promising technology

In one case the head was cooled, in others the body is heated
but the head must not be heated.

Above 42-45 C irreversible denaturing of the cellular proteins can lead to
death so experimental work in this area is rather dangerous.

>> from some reading, it seems viral disease in avians starts a fever
(hyperthermic), the bird then becomes hypothermic. >>

>> >> Fever is not an illness. Far from being an enemy, it is an important part
of the body's defense against infection. Many infants and children develop high
fevers with minor viral illnesses. While a fever signals to us that a battle
might be going on in the body, the fever is fighting for the person, not
against.

Most bacteria and viruses that cause infections in people thrive best at 98.6°
F. Raising the temperature a few degrees can give your body the winning edge.
In addition, a fever activates the body's immune system to make more white
blood cells, antibodies, and other infection-fighting agents.

Many parents fear that fevers will cause brain damage. Brain damage from a
fever generally will not occur unless the fever is over 107.6°F (42°C). Many
parents also fear that untreated fevers will keep going higher and higher.
Untreated fevers caused by infection will seldom go over 105°F unless the child
is overdressed, or trapped in a hot place. The brain's thermostat will stop the
fever from climbing above 106°F. >>
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003090.htm

>> When the ambient temperature exceeds body temperature, heat is taken in from
the environment.4 As soon as body temperature increases above the
thermoregulatory set-point, heat dissipation depends on both autonomic and
behavioural adjustments.4 In the normal subject, heat exposure to 46°C for 4 h
increased the core temperature by only 0.75°C.5 >>
http://bja.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/94/1/39

>> Above 105° F (40° C), many body enzymes become denatured and chemical
reactions cannot take place, leading to death. Below 98.6° F (37° C), chemical
reactions slow down, with various complications that can lead to death. >>
http://www.outdoored.com/articles/Article.asp?ArticleID=122

>> * Heatstroke occurs when the body core temperature reaches 104 degrees F.
* A body core temperature of 107 degrees F is considered lethal.
* Children’s thermoregulatory systems are not as efficient as an adult's and
their bodies warm at a rate 3 to 5 times faster than an adult’s. >>
http://ggweather.com/heat/

>> The moderate whole body hyperthermia mainly activates the immune system.
This treatment is given when chemotherapy is not appropriate. We raise the body
core temperature to about 39.5 c (103.1 f), which simulates a natural fever
increasing the number and activity of natural cells, T-helper cells and
cytotoxic T-cells. This treatment is also used in cancer diseases with special
association to the immune system like renal-cell-carcinoma, malignant melanoma
and special lymphomas.

Extreme whole body hyperthermia is used in combination with chemotherapy in
advanced or metastatic cancer. The body core temperature is increased up to 42
c (107.6 f).

Extreme whole body hyperthermia is useful in advanced cancer, especially with
metastases in different organs, e.g. in the liver, bones or lungs.

During the whole body hyperthermia the patient is in a special unit (IRATHERM
2000) and can be reached from all sides.
(pic http://www.hospitaldrherzog.de/pictures/140_540.jpg )
http://www.hospitaldrherzog.de/whole_body_hyperthermia.htm


>> >> the core body temperature of all pigeons remained within the range of
36.2°C–42.0°C (97.2°F–107.6°F). >>

http://www.bioone.org/bioone/?request=get-...ue=01&page=0001

>> The Human Body Temperature Monitoring System HBTMS was used successfully for
mass screening in public places, such as airports, ports and terminals,
following the need to restrict the spread of the recent deadly SARS outbreak.

The use of Land's Human Body Temperature Monitoring System HBTMS is just one of
the measures which can help minimize global public health risks that could
arise from large outbreaks of highly pathogenic avian influenza (bird flu).>>
http://www.landinst.com/infrared/products/...body_imager.htm

>> Birds have only slightly higher body temperatures than mammals; avian
temperatures range from around the human level of 98.6 degrees F (penguins,
Whip-poor-wills) to 104 degrees (most resting birds >>
http://www.stanford.edu/group/stanfordbird...Metabolism.html

>> The body temperature of birds is between 104F to 112F.>>
http://www.cockatielcottage.net/questions4.html



mmh maybe even higher temperatures could be achieved.
Birds are already at the high end of the scale, a BF virus would be able to
stand at ?44 C >>


I have been investigating this proceedure in relation th human illness.




whoa182
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you do realise that the human body stays at a temperature of 37C


mine is usually at 35.5 C , sometimes lower... =/
Stellar
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mine is usually at 35.5 C , sometimes lower... =/


External thermometers are never going to be perfectly accurate.

antiaging, you should also realise that the body is not always capable of killing a virus... ("killing" as in eliminating its effects, because viruses cant actually be killed, they're already dead).
whoa182
got the reading at the doctors to confirm that my own readings were about right. At doctors my temperature was recorded at 35.6 using one of them things they put into your ear. It can be as much as 0.29 off I think?, which isn't all that significant. Rectal readings are most accurate of course.

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Here was a good finding on why bird flu is really dangerous and how it affects the immune system. It makes sense because good immune systems will mark and destroy cells that have been hijacked by this virus at a rapid rate. This is why we see people who get bird flu fine in the morning and dead in the afternoon. Their lungs get destroyed, take a look at some of the x-ray's.

raising core body temperature stimulates the immune system, every thing goes into over-drive. It seem that this is not something we want?

take a read of this:

Bird flu may over-stimulate immune system

Researchers in Hong Kong say the H5N1 bird flu virus may provoke an excessive immune reaction, explaining why it is deadly even to the young and healthy. ''

Laboratory tests on human cells showed that the virus caused the immune system to send proteins called cytokines to infected lung cells, a reaction that would end up damaging or destroying the tissues the immune system is meant to defend.

The tests were carried out by scientists at the University of Hong Kong, working with samples from patients who died in Vietnam. The results were published in the online medical journal Respiratory Research.

The research suggested that patients who contract bird flu may need drugs that suppress the immune response in addition to anti-viral drugs like Tamiflu. It also indicated that healthy people with strong immune systems could fare worse than others if they became infected.

The virus has killed flocks of poultry and migratory birds, particularly in Asia, in recent months, but only 124 people have been infected, through direct contact with birds. Sixty-four of them have died.

The new research may affect preparations by health officials worldwide, who fear a pandemic may occur if the virus mutates to become passed from human to human
Stellar
Odd, but ofcourse, 37C is simply an average.

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It can be as much as 0.29 off I think?


I dont know... it seems to me that it could be more. I should test it sometime when I'm in the outdoors for prolonged periods of time. I figure that, if you're in a cold temperature, the skin exposed to that cold air would be affected first and its temperature would be braught down, hence affecting the results.
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