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LiQuiD_FuSioN
Here is the website and it presents the Top Ten Media Myths for the present:
http://www.biblelife.org/ufo.htm

Here are some quotations taken from the site:
"Spaceships piloted by aliens have never visited the Earth from another interstellar or intergalactic world. There has never been a real alien UFO, and there will never be one. Alien UFOs do not exist even though 60% of the public believes in UFOs. Millions claim to have seen an alien space craft and numerous people have testified about being taken aboard the spacecraft for a medical examination, but all of these testimonies are false for one reason or another. "

~So, it is just mass-hysteria? Why do friends and family members tell me of "lights" and ultra-fast moving objects in the sky? The people we love are liars then? There are still way too believers out there and it would be impossible to prove them all wrong.

"There is no real evidence supporting the existence of alien spacecraft, absolutely none. The scientific facts against the existence of alien UFOs are overwhelming. The lights and objects people see and photograph are never physical alien spacecrafts with some sort of life form inside. The lights can be from real earth airplanes, satellites, asteroids, ball lightning or electrical magnetic fields normal in the earth atmosphere. They can be reflections of ground lights, light shows or laser shows lighting up the clouds, etc. Images seen from the inside of an airplane are most likely natural light reflections from the airplane itself. Photographs can give false images caused by reflections inside the camera lens from light leakage. New digital cameras are noted for showing something that simply is not there. The personal testimonies of people claiming to have seen a UFO alien spacecraft are simply mistaken observations."

~No evidence? What about millions of testimonies? Strange objects in the sky? I think that's enough evidence. And how can a light moving 1000 miles an hour be a work of man? It's simply impossible. Or the people say..

"Absence of Life - There is no proven life of any kind outside of Earth. No life has been found on any planet in our solar system with one exception. NASA has certainly contaminated Mars with Earth microbes. Scientists have spent billions of dollars expecting to detect intelligent signals from one other of the 200 billions of solar system in our Milky Way Galaxy or from one of the 100 billion other galaxies only to be disappointed. No signals exist. Nobody is out there. We are alone."

~Okay, it seems that he is assuming there is no life in the entire universe. That assumption is pretty weak.

And he also said that the logic behind that is [stupid]. How exactly is that stupid Mr. Bible.org? The chances for life on far away galaxies is very possible. I don't understand why there wouldn't be granted our universe is extremely spacious already.

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hazzard
QUOTE(LiQuiD_FuSioN @ Nov 16 2005, 12:55 PM) [snapback]934570[/snapback]

~So, it is just mass-hysteria? Why do friends and family members tell me of "lights" and ultra-fast moving objects in the sky? The people we love are liars then? There are still way too believers out there and it would be impossible to prove them all wrong.


Just because people with impressive credentials or people we love cant identify an areal object does not mean its an extra terrestrial visitor.

QUOTE(LiQuiD_FuSioN @ Nov 16 2005, 12:55 PM) [snapback]934570[/snapback]

~No evidence? What about millions of testimonies? Strange objects in the sky? I think that's enough evidence. And how can a light moving 1000 miles an hour be a work of man? It's simply impossible. Or the people say..

Se above.

QUOTE(LiQuiD_FuSioN @ Nov 16 2005, 12:55 PM) [snapback]934570[/snapback]

~Okay, it seems that he is assuming there is no life in the entire universe. That assumption is pretty weak.


Weak or not,it has never been proven beyond reasonable doubt that there is any kind of life on an other moon or planet besides the Earth.The jury is still out on
the Mars Rock (ALH 84001).


QUOTE(LiQuiD_FuSioN @ Nov 16 2005, 12:55 PM) [snapback]934570[/snapback]

And he also said that the logic behind that is [stupid]. How exactly is that stupid Mr. Bible.org? The chances for life on far away galaxies is very possible. I don't understand why there wouldn't be granted our universe is extremely spacious already.


The chance of finding life as close as in our own solar system is possible,but until we do,this is all educated guesswork and hopeful wishes.

There is a hugh step between believing there is life els were in the whole universe to claiming there are ETs on Earth.
Welsh Shaun
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Spaceships piloted by aliens have never visited the Earth


How does he know?

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There is no real evidence supporting the existence of alien spacecraft


Neither is there evidence against?

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Absence of Life - There is no proven life of any kind outside of Earth


Exactly?

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There has never been a real alien UFO, and there will never be one.


And how does he know this?
*EnIgMa*
Whoever wrote that, is either afraid to know what's out there or, is really, really, thick skulled. It is a mathematical probability that life exists outside earth. People who make these claims have no real conceptual skills... Saying that there is NO life out there is a lot more crazy than saying that there is...Just because we haven't found any (or have we?), doesn't mean they aren't out there, we just don't have the technology right now to be able to travel at light, or near-light speeds.
Saying that there is no life out there is like being in an ocean, with nothing around you for a long ways, and making a claim like "uh...i must be the only one in this ocean....duh..."
Something is bound to come up, whether in this solar system (which i don't believe), or another, something will come up.






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hazzard
The biggest difference between the serious astronomers/scientists search for extraterrestrial inteligence and the UFO society is that the UFO crowd claims that ET has made the sceen.

I personally don't think they are here. If aliens have been visiting the Earth for 50 years, you would think that it would not be so hard to convince a lot of people that that was true. It's convinced 50 percent of the American public, but it's convinced very few academics. As an astronomer friend said to me, if I thought there was a one percent chance any of that was true, I'd spend 100 percent of my time on it. In other words, if the evidence were the least bit compelling, you'd have lots of academics working on it because it's very interesting. To me that says that the evidence is weak from the scientist's perspective.
*EnIgMa*
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The biggest difference between the serious astronomers/scientists search for extraterrestrial inteligence and the UFO society is that the UFO crowd claims that ET has made the sceen.

Not entirely true... Some believers believe that there are other life forms out there, but we haven't necessarily found them yet.








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LiQuiD_FuSioN
QUOTE(hazzard @ Nov 16 2005, 01:57 PM) [snapback]934631[/snapback]

Just because people with impressive credentials or people we love cant identify an areal object does not mean its an extra terrestrial visitor.


Given the circumstances and reasonable thinking, I'm sure people can differentiate lights from an airplane to something completely out of this world.

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Weak or not,it has never been proven beyond reasonable doubt that there is any kind of life on an other moon or planet besides the Earth.The jury is still out on
the Mars Rock (ALH 84001).


Just because it isn't yet proven doesn't mar the logic that there isn't life on every other planet.

That's like saying that there isn't life beyond a primitive island we live on. We are isolated between a great mass of water, let's just assume we are the only ones to live on this island. And little to our knowledge there are huge continents with many thriving civilizations.

QUOTE(hazzard @ Nov 16 2005, 01:57 PM) [snapback]934631[/snapback]

There is a hugh step between believing there is life els were in the whole universe to claiming there are ETs on Earth.


No, but merely on the same subject. For ETs to be on planet earth via UFOs.. there must be other life in the universe, right?
LiQuiD_FuSioN
The reason we can not find life in any part of our celestial scope via technological tools and such is because we haven't yet advanced far enough to do so.

And let's say we already possess this technology and contact was made long ago.. the government & religion are still mankind's greatest hurdles.
hazzard
QUOTE(Mind_Freak2012 @ Nov 16 2005, 02:16 PM) [snapback]934655[/snapback]

Not entirely true... Some believers believe that there are other life forms out there, but we haven't necessarily found them yet.


I agree,it is to bad that the other 95% of the believers are trashing the credibility of the serious 5% with their pseudo science and science fiction wishes of almost religious proportions.

And one more thing,its the one making the claim that has the burdon of proof,not the other way around.
*EnIgMa*
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And one more thing,its the one making the claim that has the burdon of proof,not the other way around.

Yes, but like i've said before, we have no technology to be able to prove anything right now. That is why the skeptics seem to be right, but they are not. Unless they can prove that life is not out there, than it is still a possibility. And unless believers can prove that there is life out there, than there is still a possibility that there isn't.





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Bogeyman
I enjoyed this article because it's written in a no bulls*** way.It kinda reads like what you might write if you're frustrated with waiting for something.... ANYTHING to happen or to be proved 100 % true.It is very very frustrating trying to argue that you believe in at least some of these things but yet the proof of them appears to become more and more elusive as time passes....so i can and do see where he's coming from.
Having said this 95% of what he has written is his personal opinion so in this respect he is no different to anyone that argues the opposite.
The main flaw in his argument is what he accuses the believers of ...namely back up scientific data.
Still though the article is written with passion and clarity and for this he deserves 5/10. thumbsup.gif
*EnIgMa*
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I enjoyed this article because it's written in a no bulls*** way.It kinda reads like what you might write if you're frustrated with waiting for something.... ANYTHING to happen or to be proved 100 % true.It is very very frustrating trying to argue that you believe in at least some of these things but yet the proof of them appears to become more and more elusive as time passes....so i can and do see where he's coming from.
Having said this 95% of what he has written is his personal opinion so in this respect he is no different to anyone that argues the opposite.
The main flaw in his argument is what he accuses the believers of ...namely back up scientific data.
Still though the article is written with passion and clarity and for this he deserves 5/10. thumbsup.gif

No bull****? He presented the article as fact... not good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can respect someone who disagrees with me as long as they aren't one-sided, and don't except any evidence that says the opposite of what they believe. In this article, he makes no effort to understand that life outside of our Earth is entirely possible, and probable, anyone who says anything different is, wrong. They might be right, maybe there is no life besides that on earth. But saying that it is fact is really wrong. I might be right, maybe there is life outside of Earth, but saying that life does exist is wrong, because nothing can prove it. Nothing can prove that there isn't life out there either. Therefore there is no answer. You believe what you believe. Beliefs are nothing more than an individuals way of understanding the things around him, that of which cannot be explained.
We can't explain why we are here, or what happens when we die, so what happens? We created RELIGION. The same can be said about anything else we can't explain... we ALL believe in something (whether you know it or not), none of us can be proven wrong, or right, that is why there isn't just one belief. There are MANY.






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Bogeyman
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I agree with you but the point i'm making is that he writes his argument in a clear way at least.Whether he is right or wrong is arguable...personally i think he is wrong and i also think his argument is flawed ......BUT i like the way he has written it.He strikes me as a frustrated believer....thats the point i'm making.
At times i'm sure we all feel like sitting down and writing this because that final evidential proof is just so bloody elusive.....i wish they'd just show up and be damned original.gif
Welsh Shaun
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He strikes me as a frustrated believer....


Lol: so true.
*EnIgMa*
He seems to me more like a frustrated skeptic, who knows that he is on the verge of being proven wrong. This is probably his last attempt to get someone to listen to him...








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Milo
If, we assume, that evolution is a constant process that will occur if the proper conditions come about, regardless of where it happens in space... then I think out of the ‘what’ BILLIONS?, of star systems there SHOULD be life out there... In our system? I don’t know, the ‘scenists’ are still wrangling about the Mars meteorite ‘virus’.

Intelligent life out there? In my opinion that’s iffy... there’s no evidence Intelligence arose on earth til VERY recently (a couple hundred thousand years ago, out of BILLIONS of years of LIFE on this world).

Logically, I can see no reason why a alien people couldn’t come here... but space is a BIG place, and we are way out on the rim (I’m assuming they are from the inner systems, but they could be from the rim as well...). So they must like planets like earth, or earth like planets may be rare...

Some think we were visited before, but it would have been the purest coincidence they came here when ‘HUMANS’ were coming out of presumed stone age savagery, and became the ‘GODS’ of old tales. They could have come at anytime over millions of years... if these we think are here now, are even related to the ancient ones, 7.000+ years is a long time for a culture to last.

OFF TOPIC Q’s.
If cultures rise and fall, how many space faring races might be in space at any given TIME?
As space is so BIG, would they ever meet any another?

JMO... dontgetit.gif
Lilly
Notice the information about the author :

QUOTE
Copyright © 2005 by Kent R. Rieske, B.Sc., and Bible Life Ministries. All Rights Reserved.


Many fundamentalist Christians believe that there simply can not be life elsewhere in the galaxy. This is because according to the Bible, Earth is the only place God created life, period. Mr. Rieske's statements reflect his beliefs. I wouldn't call this gentleman a skeptic, he feels he already has all of the answers. A true skeptic will admit that there are things that they simply don't know. True skeptics will look for answers that demand evidence, not just faith. When Mr. Rieske makes a statement such as, "there is no life anywhere but on Earth", it becomes quite clear that he's basing his conclusions on faith, not science. His *objections* to the possibility of space travel are also equally dismissive and not really scientifically sound.

Bottom line, this is a faith based position.
Orion437
Its easy to see why the scientists are not interested in the UFO phenomena.

In the exact moment when the aliens show they presence to the world, all of our scientists will be: the pupils, the scholars, the trainees, the students, the small ones, the stupid ones the ignorant ones.

All the scientists will turn their heads down and admire the great alien technology advance, that makes all their efforts look almost minimal and ridiculous.

All the atention and respect will focus on the real advanced scientists, the alien ones.

Would you be interested in a prehistoric cience man who is researching the wheel, or your interest will be focused in a highly advanced civilization?

The cause of the denial and lack of interest by the scientists is so obvius that is almost hilarius. No one likes to be the ignorant one.

Some day they won´t be so haughty.

Sorry for my english.

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