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etvisitor7
alien.gif Einstein came to understand that the various forms of energy, light, heat, magnetism, electricity and gravity, are different manifestations of the same force. This primary energy flow, that permeates all of space, is so high in frequency that he could only postulate it. It will not register on modern scientific instruments, nor on our physical senses. Until it is modified in some way, it cannot be perceived, in the same way that electricity is imperceptible until modified by inductance, resistance or capacitance.
The Sun is the focal point of this primary energy flow. Contrary to common belief, the sun is neither hot nor luminous. It merely radiates characterless primary energy which is CONVERTED INTO HEAT AND LIGHT BY CERTAIN ELEMENTS IN OUR UPPER STRATOSPHERE. True, the Sun does radiate enough energy to create the temperatures measured by scientists, but the actual heat conversion does not occur on the Sun itself! It only seems that way because we are viewing it through Earth's conversion zone (that is, our upper atmosphere).
When seen from any planet with an atmosphere, the other planets and stars would look similar to the way they look to us on Earth. But in outer space everything appears cold and dark; the planets glow very faintly, due to the refraction of a very small part of the energy flow, but most of the flow is directed downwards to the planets' surfaces. The light from stars and planets is not transmitted as light. It is a reflected (or, in the case of stars, a direct) flow of energy that is changed into light in Earth's upper stratosphere in the same way as the Sun's energy. original.gif
Welsh Shaun
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The Sun is the focal point of this primary energy flow. Contrary to common belief, the sun is neither hot nor luminous. It merely radiates characterless primary energy which is CONVERTED INTO HEAT AND LIGHT BY CERTAIN ELEMENTS IN OUR UPPER STRATOSPHERE.


I am not saying you are wrong, but it goes against everything I have been taught. I thought that the energy it emitted was heat?
GreyWeather
QUOTE(Welsh Shaun @ Nov 17 2005, 09:35 AM) [snapback]936064[/snapback]

I am not saying you are wrong, but it goes against everything I have been taught. I thought that the energy it emitted was heat?


yeah, I'm having trouble beleiving this as well. the sun emits heat and light due the chemical changes that are happening within the sun, the sun then has continuous flows of jets that emit that heat across our solar system (the light travels without the need of those jet-bursts, obvisually). the suns temerature exceeds 6000c (i can't remember the exact temerature of the inner and outer layers of the sun), and basically, the sun is on fire, and from my past experience's I have learned this "fire hot and pretty, tree's tall and leafy"

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btw, have you got a source for this, or is this your own theory you have?
thebarman
I understand what your saying, the sun emits radiation which will make anything near it become hot, but heat isn't actually coming from the sun.
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the suns temerature exceeds 6000c

I think that's the temperature something would be if it was on the sun, but not actually the sun itself.

It's a bit difficult to get your head round, but it makes sense thumbsup.gif
GreyWeather
QUOTE(thebarman @ Nov 17 2005, 12:23 PM) [snapback]936146[/snapback]

I understand what your saying, the sun emits radiation which will make anything near it become hot, but heat isn't actually coming from the sun.

I think that's the temperature something would be if it was on the sun, but not actually the sun itself.

It's a bit difficult to get your head round, but it makes sense thumbsup.gif


hm, I think i understand it a bit better, its a good theory. but i beleive more in the chemical changes withing the sun, but do you have a source for this theory, or is this theory of your own ideas?
hazzard
QUOTE(Leliel @ Nov 17 2005, 02:06 PM) [snapback]936172[/snapback]

but i beleive more in the chemical changes withing the sun


So do I yes.gif
QuantumE
What about the satellite images that are in space that arnt hindered by our atmosphere that measures the suns luminosity and heat and clearly shows the suns is shining in space? It also clearly shows solar flares flying off the sun. Spectrometers also shows the elements that are inside the sun and the exact chemical process that is occuring in the sun. THE SUN IS BURNING LOTS OF HYDROGEN AND HELIUM. I think you need to take adv. astronomy. This stuff is very intricate and has been figured out.
ADbox
QUOTE(QuantumE @ Nov 17 2005, 03:15 PM) [snapback]936332[/snapback]

What about the satellite images that are in space that arnt hindered by our atmosphere that measures the suns luminosity and heat and clearly shows the suns is shining in space? It also clearly shows solar flares flying off the sun. Spectrometers also shows the elements that are inside the sun and the exact chemical process that is occuring in the sun. THE SUN IS BURNING LOTS OF HYDROGEN AND HELIUM. I think you need to take adv. astronomy. This stuff is very intricate and has been figured out.



what about sun spots and solar flares. What about those fire tubes that snake out of the sun and then back in?
Guardsman Bass
QUOTE(ADbox @ Nov 17 2005, 10:02 AM) [snapback]936499[/snapback]

what about sun spots and solar flares. What about those fire tubes that snake out of the sun and then back in?


Bursts of superheated hydrogen, quickly pulled into an arc by the Sun's gravity and magnetic field.

The reason we get heat from the sun is because the sun emits radiation in the form of highly energetic light, which transfers heat to whatever it hits. The Earth's surface is warm because the atmosphere traps a lot of the energy of the light that hits Earth, and much more still is absorbed by the low albedo (low reflection) areas of the Earth's surface, like the oceans.
hazzard
The sun radiates energy at the rate of 3.85 x1026 watts. Just outside the earth's atmosphere solar energy is received, assuming normal incidence, at the rate of 1340 watts per square meter.



http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/solar/sun.html#c1
I am me
I'm sure heat is given off as well as radiation and light.
GreyWeather
QUOTE(I am me @ Nov 18 2005, 03:58 PM) [snapback]938082[/snapback]

I'm sure heat is given off as well as radiation and light.


yeah thats right, UV radiation mainly though. but its not only radiation given off as the OTS stated it was.
glenndo4000
scientists have proven that the sun is made entirely of plasma, supposedly the 4th state of matter, which is super hot. it's not fire its plasma. you can see this if you microwave a tooth pick in a petry dish of water, although this could harm you and your microwave so I dont recommend it.i'm not saying your wrong, its just very hard to believe that the warm, glowing star we look at every day is really just a cold lump of dull mass.
any thoughts?
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Guardsman Bass
QUOTE(glenndo4000 @ Nov 18 2005, 11:37 AM) [snapback]938239[/snapback]

scientists have proven that the sun is made entirely of plasma, supposedly the 4th state of matter, which is super hot. it's not fire its plasma. you can see this if you microwave a tooth pick in a petry dish of water, although this could harm you and your microwave so I dont recommend it.i'm not saying your wrong, its just very hard to believe that the warm, glowing star we look at every day is really just a cold lump of dull mass.
any thoughts?
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Well, I wouldn't call anything with a surface temperature of around 6,000 Celsius a 'cold lump.' wink2.gif And plasma is just ionized gas.
character
well the more energy matter has, the hotter it is, if something (like light beams with huge energy) hit some object, like the gas in our atmosphere or any matter for that matter, it (the beam) transfers its energy to the object it hits. thats basic phisics i learned at school, so i understand that sun heats the earth,but cant agree that the sun is cold, if its cold, it doesnt have energy (or atleast not much) so it wouldnt emit as much as it does
CorpSpy
The energy of the sun is generated at its core. Hydrogen is converted to Helium (by nuclear fusion) under a pressure of 340 billion Bar. The heat at the core of the sun is 15 million degrees Celsius. Every second 700 million tons of hydrogen are converted to Helium. The Helium atom core is a little lighter than the Hydrogen atoms. The difference in mass is the energy the sun generates. It is transported to the surface by a process called convection (btw. this takes a million years). The heat is released as light. The surface of the sun has a temperature of around 6000 degrees Celsius. Flares in the photosphere, in the grip of the suns immense magnetic field, can have a temperature of millions of degrees.

Please keep in mind that the vacuum between the sun and Earth is mostly empty. The energy thereby is transported in the form of light (which is a special form of electromagnetic radiation as are radio waves, x-rays and so on. Just different frequencies of the same thing).
ADbox
QUOTE(CorpSpy @ Nov 24 2005, 06:34 PM) [snapback]947087[/snapback]


Please keep in mind that the vacuum between the sun and Earth is mostly empty. The energy thereby is transported in the form of light (which is a special form of electromagnetic radiation as are radio waves, x-rays and so on. Just different frequencies of the same thing).




the wisdom starts with that. i feel it. so... investigate from there.
Milo
Sunlight — that is, light radiated from the surface of the Sun — is thought to be the main source of energy near the surface of Earth. The solar constant is the amount of power that the Sun deposits per unit area that is directly exposed to sunlight. It is about 1370 watts per square meter of area. Sunlight on the surface of Earth is attenuated by the Earth's atmosphere, so that less power arrives at the surface — closer to 1000 watts per directly exposed square meter in clear conditions.

Sunlight is very bright, and looking directly at the Sun is painful to the eyes. Looking directly at the Sun when it is high in the sky causes temporary bleaching of the photosensitive pigments in the retina, which makes phosphene visual artifacts and may cause temporary partial blindness. Direct viewing of the Sun with the naked eye delivers about 4 milliwatts of sunlight to the retina that is in the solar image, heating it up and potentially (though not normally) damaging it.

The coolest layer of the Sun is the temperature minimum region about 500 km above the photosphere. It is about 4,000 K. It is the only part of the Sun cool enough to support simple molecules such as carbon monoxide and water; all other parts of the Sun are hot enough to break chemical bonds.

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Mark47
are microwaves "hot"? No, the microwaves themselves are not hot, they merely vibrate, and it is the interaction with other material that creates heat. Is laser light hot? No, laser light itself is not hot, it is just normal light that has been stimulated so that when it comes into contact with other material it generates heat. like friction, it isnt the objects themselves that are hot but the reaction of the objects connecting and interacting.
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