Dreaming is very diffrent from remote vieuwing i meen remote vieuwing meens you actuele see lik from your chair , theother side of the world whil dreams are made up by the mind it can be of places where you have been or heard about but i know for a fact dreams can be influanced or chanced when you have one atleast i can most of he time.

But there is something directly in contact with us which permits us to see. So... how was all this relevant to RVing?



Pretty much everyone's thought of that. Whats it have to do with RVing though?



What he means is how do we know that the light reflected back to me is processed to be red in my brain, but to you, its processed and, while you call it red because thats what you've learnt, you percieve the colour as something else.



That deals with imaginary things.



I agree. RVing is similar to dreaming. Both deal with imagination.



But theres no identified input from the targetted object to make you see it in your dream.

No offense to Hazzard but he did not quite get dowsing rods correct. Now a days we use a pair of steel rods that are able to swing around. I know because I have a pair I can use and being a honest person I do not swing them myself. Spirit energy swings them and I know you who are skeptical are going to say and that is cool, not asking anyone to believe me. I am stating I do not move nor do I use them for anyone else but myself.

well the basic concept or RVing is "seeing with your mind"basiclly its a strong imaginaton like you close your eyes and try to walk around your house with your eyes closed you'll probebly hit the furniture or the walls or anythng because your used to walk around with your eyes open remote view is like using your imagination to create a vison of your house you just need to imagine

like you can create in your mind a full colorfull visualization of your house,now try closing your eyes,and move around and use the imaginary scene to guide you,you can do it but doesnt mean it will track imidiate events such as when a person starts to move

i think its not such a paranormal ability i mean all you have to do is have a strong imagination make a full 3D viualisation of your house,present location and thats it its all imagination

No, RVing is more like using your imagination to picture something you've never seen before in your life.

In addition to Stellar's post, RVing usually happens erratically (I think I spelled that right...) and it's almost always something that's happening right then, like clairvoyancy except it's happening right then and there.

Stellar, i agree, probly most of the people that say they can do this stuff are just using their imagenation, due to lack of understanding for the concept, but id say that there are a few people that can, and even if one of them have a legitamite gift, than its real. i just find it hard to belive that all the claims out there throuout the world are fake

yeah sorry i forget to add that but i was just giving an example anyways

thats exacly what i think kariudo,there are many people that clamis to have them but actually dont have,but i dont believe that in the whole planet there isnt a single person who doensnt have, not even at the smallest thing

Edit button please... And agreed some people do have psi powers, yet I highly doubt anybody has RVing abilities

i dont know like i belive if you practice your imagination to a level like i described above your mind will probebly get more sensitive or something alowing you to go deeper but if this includes viewing other countryes or anything like that i doubt it

Aye, but even if you're imagination goes that far, you're still imagining something, right? So I highly doubt a run-away imagination is RVing

Hi Steller, "I've shown you mine, now you show me yours" I believe that I said that about five pages ago, when you got peeved and said I didn't include sources. I then included sources ("Mind Over Matter" by Mrs Rhine) and you've been silent ever since. Why exactly are you speechless? Lack of a comment whitty enough to deal with data? Sorry, that was inappropriate, just seems like if you were actually interested in finding out the truth about the subject, you'd be intrigued rather than silenced by data.

On the RV subject, how do you explain away the 10+ incidents of accurate results on the very page that you linked us to. I assume you're going to refer to the length of time that the program was around, in which case I would like to know if anyone knows of a more complete list of the results.

An interesting little story about Mr. Hyman that I found with a quick google was that he apparently did a bunch of conventional magic tricks in his youth. He thought himself a capable palm reader, but reversed his readings and found the same positive responses from people thus crushing his FAITH IN PALM READING. Since then he's become a parapsychology debunker. But it's not because he's got a chip on his shoulder, it's because he's searching for the truth......

out of curiosity what do you think of this perspective on the Stargate project and RV. I thought that the cynics seem to be well represented by Mr. Wiseman.... I realize this is a biased report in many ways, but there is easily verifiable info such as the test that was shown on the discovery channel (but conducted by Rhines Research Center)
http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/secrets/stargate.htm

Well, I can't wait to see what exciting new concepts I hear back from you, or anyone else on this subject,
-Tokoyo

PS The key to seeing or hearing anything is having your brain recieve an impulse, doesn't need to come from eyes or ears. Hence schizophrenia....

I must have missed it. Ill look through it when I get home.



10+ incidents that were accurate? There were very few "accurate" results, and none that were accurate enough to be of any help. Out of all the tries, some of them were bound to come close in one way or another, and for one reason or another.



Yes, but the actual things you see is due to direct contact with something emmenating(sp?) from it.

hi stellar what i ment is you do not see with your eyes you see with your brains.

your eyes are just the organs that make the give asignal to yuor brain what makes you 'see'. so might there not be an ability to get signals from another brain?????

No, you see with your eyes... you process the information with your brain and compile the picture. All the brain does is process information.



Which would be picked up by what? Theres no identified organ to pick up additional signals, nor are there any identified signals emmiting from someone to someone else.

like "mind eye"or third eye and its not the organ its the mind it slf what is trying to say is that the mind works for both to send and to recieve, you can imagine yor room move around the room using the imaginary picture,the more you practice the more sensitive your brain will get because there will not only your visualisation there will be people walking around,noises here and there that kind of stuff so the mind will try to adapt it self like you walk around your house since you learned to walk but your used to use your eyes to move around when the lights go out or you close your eyes you cant move well,you'll hit everything

practicing visualisation and learn to walk around the house with your imaginary image instead of your eyes your mind will try to adapt,so it will get more senitive so yor body can recognise better whats happening around it,
usually when someone loses a sense like theyr eyes or godef another sense will get more sensitive,if you lose your eyes you'll probely hear better,if you go def you'll probably see better

3rd eye is something psi believers made up.

Seriously. Theres no indication of any part of the brain doing what ppl say the "3rd eye" is responsible for.



But theres nothing thats being sent and recieved it seems.



That has to do with recalling memory, not RVing. Go to a house you've never been to before, close your eyes and then try to walk around. You'll break something, because you have no memory with which to know where to walk.



thats not RVing though, as I said.

I'm psychic, and I'll admit that all this "3rd eye" stuff is shizzle, for rizzle. Wanna-be psychics made it up so when they tell their "customer" or whatever that they are "all-knowing with my 3rd eye" it'll sound like they really do know what they're doing (which chances are they don't)

i agree but i cant deny that when i concentrate on the place they call the third eye it hurts because of the blood or teh tension or what ever

Our not knowing what is being sent or recieved does not preclude the possibility that something is being exchanged. Before I send a link, you (correctly) say that raptros is referring to memory, not RVing. Tell me, where *exactly* does this recall of memory take place? To my knowledge there is no specialized memory unit within the brain.

If you're actually interested in trying to learn about how the brain works under psi work here's a link that'll inform you, assuming you can deal with the inordinate amount of techno jargon. I recalled something about EEG scans turning up some link between subject and patient in some setting, so I typed in ESP and EEG into google, and this was the second website I found. I'm sure you can find better sources if you try.

http://www.seanharribance.com/sciartespthree.html

By the way, do any of you know about the studies that have turned up instantaneous communication (of sorts) on the sub-atomic scale? I don't know much about it so it could be more bs a la Schrodinger (at least I think it's bs on the philosophical level) or Zenos paradox... just curious.

interesting, i saved the site so i could take a look at it later

there is a part of the brain that is specially design for memory its like a memory bank r something,but i dont see things your way if its memory as you say how do you explain that, for exemple when the lights go out you cant see anything you will try to use recalling memory but you cant tell your present location you cant see if your near a wall or not,as i said the mind will get more sensitive,the brain precesses information,then i think that by getting it sensitive, you close your eyes the small noise the small move will be captured by your hears nose or eyes or even the mind itself, and the brain will automaticly draw picture in your head of what could it be if it could be a persion or not,when you think of a pink elephant the brain draws you a pink elephant i think it works the same way,then there is the auras i can see auras but i dont know what they mena and i cant sense them,by sensing the aura of an object for emple the mind will draw a pic for it thats what i think

Like I said, there is nothing no transmissions nor reception identified which would permit telepathy. Sure, theres a possibility that somehow there is something being exchanged, but I wouldnt consider that very likely at all... plus, if it was, you'd think telepathy would have been proven by now.



There is a huge difference between not knowing how something works, and knowing that something hasnt been proven and that the mechanisms behind what would permit it seem to not be in place.

The point being that "telepathy" is not yet a viable conclusion to any question.

BTW, there is memory stored in the hippocampus and the subiculum.



RIght... that looks objective...

"Electroencephalograph (EEG) and Single-Photon Emission Computerized Tomography (SPECT) data were collected from Sean Harribance, a well documented psychic who has previously participated in laboratory research, while he was engaged in psi tasks. This data was independently collected from two different laboratories during 1997."

Nevertheless, the site just deals with brain activity when the guy was supposedly doing psi, simply that.



On the quantum level, yes. Quantum entanglement?

well it might be ppls energy's when they use them it effects on blood and makes strong tingles coz i felt some when doing that stuff and it just might be blood moving as the energy flow i can't prove i'm right i might be proved wrong but this is just what i think might be making tingles

All subjects claiming unique psi abilities so far have failed to satisfactorily duplicate their powers within a carefully controlled environment and between several independent laboratories. Most "successful" studies which have made it through the rigorous stage of attaining publication in scientific journals have been later discredited–too many naïve researchers have been fooled by skilled charlatans (Frazier, 166).

These phenomena have been shown to exist with such small statistical evidence in research (and appear on such a small scale in society) that they are, as far as most people are concerned, simply a curiosity. Contrary to the somewhat popular belief, no single person can as yet demonstrate a substantial propensity for psi behavior. Possible evidence for psi exists only as part of a large statistical aggregate of data. If the 35% ganzfeld hit rate does in fact demonstrate psi.

Meanwhile the members of the media—television, radio shows, tabloids, your local paper, and the evening news—will continue to eschew fact-checking in favor of breaking more sensational stories, spreading misinformation to a public that wants to believe in magic...

The Current State of Parapsychology Research

but why should it be considered magic??? i think its something normal that everybody has it but in some people manifestats in higher levels other dont even know what it is,

and even if the results are as low as people mentioned then i think its something to begin with,if you come t me and say that there are no results at all even if minimum ok that would be a reason to doubt but there are, results of 0,1% or slightly higher but there are,
like instead of throwning skeptical ideas to the wind why not try it for yourselves,take it as a game and not as an obligation,at leats do it for fun thats what most of us believers who practice do.

i practice psyballs as i mentioned, i dont feel tingles i feel a magnetic force that pushes my hands and it's not as physical as people think, you cant do much with it, but you can see it through aura view,still i do it cause i enjoy it, i dont go to the streets for show off usually i hide myself away from people so they want call me crazy or anything

Instead of making psiballs, enjoy yourself by going out and play ball with your friends. Leave the ESP research to those who actually try to figure it out or if you believe you can do it go and be a lab subject.

Nice link, Milo.
I wonder why no subjects were able to continue getting high scores once the results were published? I assume the methodology didn't always change...

why souldnt i practice psiballs??cause you say so...and practicing sport doesnt stop me from doin it...

Not entirely accurate. Brain waves can be affected and in return affect (or be detected).

Here is a link to an interesting read

http://www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/elf.htm

Still I agree that telepathy is far from being established.

Im quite aware of that, but it isnt really anything that can be responsible for telepathy, because it relies on sound frequencies. I actually have a program that supposedly stimulates the brain waves and can help you relax, memorise stuff, things like that. Im not sure if it works though

True... thats why I stated its not entirely accurate. Telepathy is still an unproven theory in my book too.

if there is no evidence, and people still talk about it, and people teach people how to do the things, why do penguins still eat fish?

Because no matter what stories people dream up, no matter how much they believe in their accuracy, correctness, and validity, no subjective interpretation is ever going to affect a repeatable and reliable existing phenomena.

i agree,but someone came up with this phenomenas, so it was all a big joke that everybody kept on beliving a joke that was started in the time where people still builted pyrimids, acording to folklore, thats where this phenomena was first sighted, if this is the right expression

But I wasnt dealing with things that obviously could not be responsible for telepathy.

well one thigs we're all right there are sounds that stimulate the brain,but the brain it self is very sensitive sometimes you might even have the impression of hearing someone calling when they didnt,like there is a type of scrich or hown do you speel it that i cant stand like i can sense when a tv is on just cause i hear a very noise scratch that masses with my brain it not only affects your hears your brain too,

and i had that program i think it was called brain wave generator or something it reallyy messed with me the sounds were driving me crazy, but i liked

Certain sounds can stimulate your hearing apparatus to the point where neurons around it fire in random. As that is close to your brain it feels like its affecting it.

yeah,i agree,i kinda like those it masses me up but i like it in fact i like every wierd feeling i can come up with

Hey, skeptics has always pissed me off, cause in their thing to:
"NEVER BELIVE IN ANYTHING AT LESS YOU SEE IT IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES" attitude.
(note: everything doesn't want to come to your eyes)

I can make my finders tingle too. It's just blood.

there also teenagers like me,
who had a very spiritual life which you can call:
1. hunted by a demon. (or stroke that one, no mind discussing it with ye)
2. fingers tingle? nah, more like, cloudy energy between hands that you cast on a clock and it starts to spin.
3. bows out a light, ops I waved with my hand and a fireball was running in the air flying past my sister daughters face and dissapeared in front of her eyes...

can I state something? you can't see something you don't belive,
seeing isn't beliving, beliving is seeing.
do you think no this is bulls***, it doesn't exist you never get proof it does.
I belive in things very easy that's WHY I tested stuff and found out it WORKED.

SO shut it. >.>

(edit, cause I think this will be usefull to say to ye: "I'm not insane lol")
btw I'm telling you their is stuff that we don't have to proove to you,
don't ye want to belive it fine don't.
But don't react like ur pple are right. End.

If your going to cliam silly things, then we will ask for proof. Silly being the word.By the way, we are right. Demon hunter too. You have quite an imagination.

People like you have always pissed me off because of their lack of understanding of a skeptic attitude.



And how do you know you're haunted by a demon?



How do you know its "cloudy energy"? And if the clock starts to spin, why dont you record it and post the vid here...?



Bows of light? How about you recreate that fireball and record it, hmm?



So there we have it. You see this fireball and "cloudy energy" because you believe it, not because its actually there. Case and point.



?

Proof is proof, no matter whether you believe the subject matter exists or not. If you need to believe in something in order to see "proof", then its not proof.



You want to make me shut it? Prove it.



Dont act like you're right then.

legally you cannot put someone in jail on just a vision...or thing...there has to be evidence, like stuff u can see....

Your fingers tingle because you concentrate on them, moving most of your chi there, then you put so much there you can feel your blood moving throughtout your hands. Just wanted to specify.

What the heck? Why does everyone think teenagers are the only ones who do stuff like PK? My grandmother moved a glass around the table. I watched her bend a spoon a day or two ago. I had no luck. BTW, I'm a teenager and I have interests in stuff like remote viewing. I have a thread open at this moment on AT wich no one seems to be replying to.

Spiritual? Delusioned perhaps?



I wouldn't discuss it either.



A cloud? Please, take a picture, and of course, set up a video camera and demonstrate your abilities.



Please, video evidence.



Yeah, you tried lying, and I'm sure as hell it didn't work.



Lmao, come and set fire to me.



lol, you want us to believe you, but your refuse to give us evidence?

Replacement ....haven't you figured the trend yet?

And this is why some people don't want to be themselves. Society makes it hard on believers just as much as it does on gay people. I almost want to be a skeptic so I'm not called names like insane and delusional.

Society always descriminates against something. Unfortunately you are never safe from that.

sweet, does that mean racism etc is A-OK???
You've got yourself a winning attitude there Bio Mage... Seriously, I'm not even going to criticize it, just consider what you're implying.

"Mr. Ed",

I somewhat agree with you, but then you have your own mistakes. It's true believers can be as narrowed minded as skeptic can be but also as human beings we must be able to say, "okay there's a 50/50 chance that I might be wrong but there's also another 50/50 chance that they're wrong." The truth is none of us really know, me personally I am a believer but just like everyone else there are times when I have doubts. If you're going to make jokes or sad arguments about someone else's beliefs, go right ahead walk up to a budist and say: "There is no enlightenment and, oh yeah, your god's fat!" It's not particuarly a good example but it makes sense. If someone believes in something then just let them believe in it. I'm not going to say you're wrong because I'm not even sure. That's kind of why its called "unexplained-mysteries.com" not "here-are-some-knowitalls.com". If all you're here to do is be mean and rude then make your own "believer flamming" website dammit!