Just wanted to see what everyone else though. I personaly believe in reincarnation. There's so much eerie statements of this matter of children telling of "previous lives." I've had many debunkers try to explain this either by the media, parents, or "genes" (Genes was the most ridicoulis I'd ever heard.) But simply put, none of this can be explained by mundane means.

I also believe in reincarnation. But I think it's also possible that energy can get displaced, like a ghost or a spirit.

I don't believe in an "Afterlife" or reincarnation because both terms connote something religious or humanly spiritual. I think Life is eternal, infinite. When I've exhausted this physical manifestation of Life, I will immediately manifest as another. Perhaps a butterfly or a single cell on the outer skin of an orange.

That's what I mean by reincarnation.

You lose approximately 21 grams after you die. A lot of people believe it is a soul or consciousness.
http://www.snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp

Meh...I'm sure there's a scientific explaination for that.

Perhaps. I'd like to find out.

I believe in Eternal life, whether in Heaven or Hell. However, I also believe with small childern or other beings, whether they don't want to accept God's hand or not, they remain a lost soul, or 'ghost' on Earth to fufill goals or purposes they did yet not finish. I think some of the times why people see so many childern ghosts is because they are afraid, or they don't know they're dead, or they just want to see their parents. This could also lead to reincarnation, but I suppose I'd have to have more evidence to back that up.

Reincarnation with a rest in Summerland. X)

I chose heaven/hell, but I think using the opening statement "Religious afterlife" was misleading. There are so many different views of heaven and hell within religions, and the most commonly known amongst the secular community is that of fiery pits of eternal damnation. And while it's fun to watch in a movie, most Christians will tell you that that's a load of crap.

So yeah, that's my thought.

Regards, PA

1. Watch how you use the word most, it differs.
2. You enjoy watching people burn in hell in movies?
3. What is hell to you then?



Same here. Although, I would take my sweet time there before coming back.

Hell: separation from God. ]

Though I have two ideas, which i don't really know how to split. First, perhaps to live eternity looking in on heaven, thinking how much better it is, but never getting the chance (Jesus told a parable that leads me to this belief). But it is also possible that since God is LIfe, that would mean that those not in His presence are dead. Hell therefore could simply be when those not with God cease to exist (various passages throughout the Bible lead me to this possible belief)

In the end, I don't know exactly, but these are my thoughts.....

Regards, PA

Edit: and yes, i enjoy watching apocalyptic type movies. THough "enjoy" might not be the exact word I'd use (perhaps with Little Nicky or South Park - they have good hell scenes )

Sounds more probable than Christians stating Ghost aren't real and reincarnation is a lie but only the most divine.

I believe there is an 'earthly' afterlife that exists, but that there is legal cloning. When ever someone dies in the afterlife there, they get cloned over again. Until they reach a standard where I think there is reincarnation and past-life redemption. But, I do understand some in the physical think of it that way already.

I think what happens is when people are 'qualified' enough to get to a certain stage in the second life on earth they have the access to Heaven. Of course for all of those retired people, or senior citizens. I was thinking it was possibly that one could travel to Heaven and back to earth again through a half-Earth half-Heaven dimension.

This way people can go visit their lost and loved ones and come back to an earthly plane afterwards, or in reciprocal, to have them visit on the earth. There is the concern about traveling from one dimension to another as a stranger, so there is the understanding of the clone - 'check up' to make sure somone is secured. &not a criminal....

So, that's really generally what I think happens to you on two bright sides, I still have the other two which I won't discuss...

Purgatory and Hell.

Forgettaboutit!

i believe that whatever you believe happens to you happens . Due to my religious beliefs, I think I nor any Christian alive on December 21 of this year will never die.

I will assume from what you write that a Spirit which leaves the Body at death weighs 21 grams.

That is nice to know.

I also believe that because, a Spirit in the Spirit World can become so small it can crawl on a Humans Eyelashes, and it can also make itself the size of a Giant, or a normal size person.

There are some advantages of me talking to my Relatives in the After Life, because I can ask them questions that I normally would not ask others, but until I read this today I did not know that a person loses 21 grams after death.
So Thanks.

Being brought up Christian and still believing in the basic premises, I believe in a spirit/soul/life force and that it does go on. However, the whole 'get into Heaven if you just believe' thing doesn't jive with me. Reincarnation makes the most sense to me -- a continuous striving toward spiritual growth that transcends one physical life -- an interconnectedness of one's life energy with everything else for eternity.

Hmm, interesting. I wonder if you're right.

But you do claim to be a falseprophet

I voted reincarnation because I think that life is beautiful and I want to live forever.

Christians believe in Ghosts, for instance the Holy Ghost!!!! Jesus when he returned from the grave encouraged his disciples by stating he was not a ghost, this leads many christians to the view that ghosts exist!!
Jesus was not reincarnated he was ressurected. Reincarnation implies a cycle of life and death as different manifestations, however ressurection is death then eternal life as the person you were before, only freed from the consequences of sin.

IMO Trust Christ and u will my friend!

Double:

Well the different authors of the Bible probably had different ruminations on the subject, which is why you get different views of it in the Bible.

I believe that everything is god, and vice versa. So I personally don't think someone can truly be separated from god, although they may feel separated.
That's why people who had NDEs (Near-death experiences) often are very optimistic and loving afterwards, because they know that there is no separation. Of course these are just my thoughts.

I don't "trust Jesus" Therefor.. what?

Ok sorry, but givem my already angry mood.. I don't care. You know what, just because you guys think that your "god" and Jesus was true or right.. does *NOT* flippin mean that it's ok to say it's the only afterlife/what truely happens when you die. And it's ticking me off.

Guess what.. My faith is just as true as yours.. and I don't need Jesus or some abrahamic god to join Summerland and then be reincarnated back onto earth. So stow your fricken overlaying of faith.

IMO u may as well say every thing is poached eggs! it would make as much sense. even evil is god?

So u can make dogmatic statements about ur faith being just as true as mine but i cannot make a statement which i humbly prefixed was only IN MY OPINION?
i am sorry for the misunderstanding Cougar, just giving my opinion on a discussion forum!!!!!!!!

it's spelled.. YOU and YOU'RE

And I'm for all intents and purposes Pagan... You know.. that faith that gets you condemned to the "christian hell" at least twice a week...

Ur sarcasm is getting kinda boring cougar. By the way its not a 'christian hell', as IMO not a single christian will be there. According to the bible it may be more acurate to label it a 'pagan hell' of some sort!! again this is my opinion, sorry cougar!!

Clever... hiding yourself under "My opinion" .. it'll do no good. Not a single "pagan" is in the christian hell simply put.. only christians believe in that hell... To overlay your faith and "opinion" that pagans are condemned there and the only way to a reincarnated afterlife is through christianity and the faith of Jesus is folly.

It sickens me that each time someone new comes here thinking that their faith is the only right one and everyone else here who isn't of it is lesser so.

imo Just because christians believe in it and pagans dont does not mean that no pagans are in hell. Just because u do not believe somthing does not exist does not make it so!!
You are being very dogmatic and i sense prejudice in your posts.
Also christians do not assert that the only way to a 'reincarnated' afterlife is through Christ as they do not believe in one; only in a final once and for all ressurection.

I think no less of youre faith as i used to hold many of the views you seem to. you are as entitled to believe what u want as i am, I Just HAPPEN TO BELIEVE QUITE STRONGLY YOU ARE WRONG!!

wHATS UR OPINION 3RD ANGEL?

Not necessarily, though you may have a point. As I said, there's indicators for both. That does not mean that both are correct. It just means my reasoning is faulty on one of those ideas.

I have never claimed to have all the answers. I admit my flaws in knowledge. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong on both counts. In the end, I do not think it matters to me personally - it does not affect the way I live in any way. I'll find out the truth when I die, whatever that truth may be.

Regards, PA

SC - I think you need to settle a little. I know you said you're in a bad mood, but we are all only just stating our opinions on this forum. If the Atheist is allowed to say with outright certainty "Your God does not exist", then we are just as much within our rights to say that it is.

Regards, AP

I'm not saying you can't say there's a god. I'm just stating how tired I am of hearing that my gods are "false idols" and "created by satan to temped people from god" and that "pagans go to hell" You should know damned well, PA that's what gets under my fur more then anything even that accursed netspeak people insist on using...

I mean you hate it when athiests say there is no God... I hate it when a Christian tries to super impose their beilefs on to mine. I know you guys hate it when we say that your God was nothing more then a pagan war god...

I don't believe in an afterlife. But for the sake of the thread, this is what my ideal afterlife would be like:

1.Thousands of variations on beautiful female angels, all skilled in sexual acts.
2. The ability to eat any food, of any kind, without feeling sick to your stomach.
3. The ability to look at any instance in the past and present of the universe, and observe the future as it happens.
4. Access to all the secrets of the universe
5. The ability to contact any dead family members
6. Being able to create worlds in a kind of pseudo-real life that only exist in books, or stories, or in imagination, just for curiousity.

It's somewhat banal and materialistic, but then again, I think the idea of some pleasurable place where you essentially retire for all eternity is kind of ridiculous, when you think about it.

I view the after-whatever more in the form of physics. Einstein toyed with the idea that the changing forms of matter were matched by changing forms of energy. Within that concept, from the moment of birth a person sends forth "used" energy into space and that is generally called the aging process. The question is if that "used" energy has the imprint of your intelligence, personality, characteristics, etc. If so, then you would continue as an entity in some form. If not, your "used" (some call it negative energy) energy would merge with all the other used energies to exist or create, who knows?

The point is Cougar, Christians believe in one God, you seem to be stating you believe in many gods. In most Christians opinions you are wrong! There is no other answer we can give you!!! Get used to it.

But I will hold a civilised conversation with you for the sake of being polite;
tell us all about these gods of yours whom you so vehemently defend? What are their names?; where do they inhabit?; how do you know they exist?; why would someone be interested in getting to know your gods?;. What does your gods think about evil; do they aknowlege evil exists; have they informed you what will happen to you when you die?; have they enriched your life by giving you a purpose or mission?
Do you love your gods? or are they just there?
Make me see the folly you see in my beliefs by explaining the rich truths of yours.
Eagerly awaiting your reply!! I am really interested

*laughs* Oh gods you are new. And no.. I'm not answering you. Why? Because you are not interested. You're sarcastic and you can't wait to tear down them to try and "disprove" them over your God.

I, unlike you, will not make you see the folly of worshipping how you feel. That is not mine to decide. What is mine to decide is how *I* worship... and how I react to intolerance to what I believe in.

But, anyone here can tell you, I do love my gods... But I won't dishonor them by assuming that because they are viable to me, they are to everyone else and thus I should try and "make everyone accept them and believe in them."

I'm not going to cow and let you wash your faith over mine.. get use to that.

Hmm? Mine? Well...

I believe that whatever God you worship will always lead you to your righteous place, being one God or many. Silver Cougar has her right to defend her God/Gods if she wants to; just like us Christians have the right to defend our God. We accomplish nothing by forcing one belief onto another, feeding eachother by knifes and blades.

I am Roman Catholic, I have been most of my life. I believe in one God, The God Almighty. I would never, ever try to convince someone they are wrong just because they aren't Catholic. They have their reasons...but no, Tags I wasn't exactly pointing this at you. I can't tell what precisely you've been trying to prove to Silver Cougar, but I did the best I could.

You asked, I answered.

Thank you... my only hope is that he'll listen to you. That's all I've been trying to say... Worship how you will.. but don't presume that your way is the way for everyone.

I do not wish to "wash my faith over yours", but i feel you wont answer me because you are afraid you will seem silly. You are the one who called my belief "laughable" i was only answering lest you "wash your faith over mine"!!. But this could get very petty if your not careful; i cannot have an intelligent conversation with someone who will not, or can not explain what it is they believe and why!!
(i did not say make me see the folly in my beliefs, but the folly you believe exists in my beliefs! There must be some otherwise why "laughable")
This is a discussion forum, lets discuss your gods!!!

If I did help any, you are welcome.

It seems you have not. *chuckles* Oh well.

Ok tags.. if you genuinely are interested... Bast... The Goddess and her Consort (a primal pre celtic pair) And Dionysus...

*shrugs* Nothing to do with feeling silly, But honestly, why should I give you fodder for your hateful intolerance? You do wish, and have in every single one of your posts just wash your God and your faith over my own. A wise careful man you are not.

*laughs back* sounds just like the non-Christians here, waiting to tear down every belief a Christian has

Yet you have every right to defent that and we're not allowed to deffend ourselves? I have better conversations with athiests because atleast they respect the fact that my religious views are my own... and I'm not trying to plaster it all over them. That's the different between my faith and christianity. I don't view it as a need to tell everyone that the Goddess created them and if they turn from her, they'll burn in some fiery afterlife.

..mmmmmm... isn't that borrowed from the 2012 prophesy?

Religious Afterlife.

Enjoy your present life! The future will be always bright....

If everyone does so, you do not need to die to reach heaven. You will enjoy it here!

It seems to me like there's a substantial process and not a quick filing away of a soul. I think most people remain on earth for a time (my power just surged twice...odd, probably just the stormy weather) and then once they feel comfortable in their new existance and have let go of ties to the earth (grudges etc) they move on to somewhere less earthbound.

To use the metaphor of light waves, when we're alive we're low frequency, when we first die we become a higher frequency, but nearly visible like infrared or something, and then we continue up the frequency scale untill we've plateaued and are not really going any higher. It's possible that around then (huuuge guess on the timing) we reincarnate to see if we can get higher up next time around. I don't really get reincarnation all that well, so forgive me if it seems like I'm just attaching it onto a seperate theory, cause I pretty much am...

In a nutshell the "end" product is like many layers of oil and vinegar (and stuff in between) where people of a certain level of conciousness stay approximately around the same area. Just as intellectuals or artists like to be with their own kind (granted not exclusively), people with similiar...morals or karma or something will be around each other in the afterlife.

well, there it is. you'd probably get a better glimpse of what I mean if you read the Unobstructed Universe (which I ripped of/was inspired by...) but you'd rather be online


by the way, I read somewhere that Christianity didn't rule out reincarnation untill around the year 400, anyone know about this? some meeting that began with an N or something. And anyone who's going to cite the "eternal" part of the damnation or happiness, A) make sure it's a good translation, even if it is, I suspect they wouldn't bother specifying 879 years 41 days 22 hours 16 minutes and 0 seconds, but would instead say something that meant "longer than you can imagine".

you know cougar, i have read lots of your posts and you and many others seem to be genuinely "good". but in some of those posts you suffer from the same kind of petty petulence that you accuse others of. you have a grudge against christianity do you not? for future reference, when you highlight words, or put asterisks around them it notifies the reader that you are stressing something, that usually brings down the naysayers, because it comes off as disrespectfull............and we would like to hear opinions presented in an adult and mature manner.

thanks, and i for one would love to hear about the gods in your religion. it would help me understand you. maybe all of us to understand you.