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arkland
is there an end of space if so how is this posible?
Beckys_Mom
There is no end...and I doubt it is possible for any one to find out
Welsh Shaun
Or the intelligence to imagine. Only Hypothersize.
Pharoah
Well, I think theres an end. Nothing can really be perpetual (sp).
shinyporpoise
QUOTE(area 51 @ Nov 20 2005, 02:56 AM) [snapback]940360[/snapback]

is there an end of space if so how is this posible?


No...space is infinite... mellow.gif
Welsh Shaun
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No...space is infinite...(?)


How? in our comprehension that is?
MattH
QUOTE(TheThirdAngel @ Nov 20 2005, 01:29 PM) [snapback]940861[/snapback]

No...space is infinite... mellow.gif



I don't think science is in a position to ascertain whether space is infinite. Presuming we're talking about space in all tangible and hypothetical dimensions, then we have no way of testing the limits of space.
Ey3 0f th3 B3}{0lder
In our lives everything we encounter has an end. So the idea of something with out an end is hard to think about or even comprehend. This is also a point I enjoy to bring up when people are skeptical about the existance of ET's. But just think about out of everything everywhere in an endless phenominon we call space there is no other life force! It's a riddiculos thought.
Yelekiah
QUOTE(TheThirdAngel @ Nov 20 2005, 01:29 PM) [snapback]940861[/snapback]

No...space is infinite... mellow.gif

We do not know for a fact that space is infinite.

QUOTE(Ey3 0f th3 B3}{0lder @ Nov 20 2005, 05:15 PM) [snapback]941192[/snapback]

In our lives everything we encounter has an end.

Except for infinite numbers. But there are no physical infinities that come to mind at the moment.
Ey3 0f th3 B3}{0lder
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Except for infinite numbers.

True I forgot about thoes. Numbers like pi
Anakim
I think there are boundaries. Isn't space still expanding stemming from the "BIG BANG" that started it all? And if it is still expanding doesnt that mean that there has to be an outer boundary that is duing the actual expanding?
gandalf2013
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Yelekiah
QUOTE(Anakim @ Nov 20 2005, 06:04 PM) [snapback]941248[/snapback]

I think there are boundaries. Isn't space still expanding stemming from the "BIG BANG" that started it all? outer ?

That's right. The universe is still expanding.

QUOTE(gandalf2013 @ Nov 20 2005, 06:09 PM) [snapback]941254[/snapback]

If space was put into a math equation then the formula would be:
Space = Infinity (At least within the rules of our reality)

1/0=infinity
1/infinity=0
If space=infinity
Then 1/space=0
That doesn't make sense to me. How then could space be infinite? It could just be very large.
gandalf2013
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Yelekiah
QUOTE(gandalf2013 @ Nov 20 2005, 06:19 PM) [snapback]941265[/snapback]

Could be wink2.gif . But at the same time, it could be infinite. Also, keep in mind, space is nothingness, therefore = 0. Nothing could be argued that it's infinite. But it could be argued the other way around. Confusing isn't it wacko.gif ?

How can something be nothing and infinite at the same time?
gandalf2013
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Yelekiah
Is this nothing 0? First we have to determine that, then we can come up with a proper equation.
gandalf2013
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Ey3 0f th3 B3}{0lder
blink.gif I think my brain just exploded! yes.gif yep there it goes...leaking outa my nose
gandalf2013
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Raptor
According to the Big Bang theory, if space was constantly expanding, at some point in time wouldn't the ratio of space:mass would be almost infinite:1? I mean that all physical mass would be dispersed so much that there would be an almost infinite space between each galaxy, supercluster etc.
gandalf2013
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Watzel
I think there is reliable scientific proof that space is expanding, but expanding into what? If there was a boundary that space was expanding into it hasn't been reached yet.

gandalf2013
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Yelekiah
QUOTE(gandalf2013 @ Nov 20 2005, 06:39 PM) [snapback]941291[/snapback]

The odd thing about nothing, is if one says nothing is 0 then that would be something. Nothing is a number that doesn't exist because if it did, that would be something

Now that you mention it, does zero really exist? It's an "empty" number. There for convenience. Space has to be something. If it were "nothing" the equation would not make sense. But we cannot quantify it. Not yet anyway. But I maintain that the universe is not infinite. "Infinitely" large, but not infinite.
gandalf2013
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shinyporpoise
QUOTE(Welsh Shaun @ Nov 20 2005, 10:31 AM) [snapback]940865[/snapback]

How? in our comprehension that is?


Our science today has no proof whether it has an end or it doesn't. My guess is that it doesn't, partially the reason that I believe God created it infinite, sort of like our minds. If it does have an end, who's stopping us from believing there is a whole different space and time out there?

*dreamily wonders* rolleyes.gif
Yelekiah
Do you believe God is omnipresent?
tags
QUOTE(TheThirdAngel @ Nov 21 2005, 02:09 AM) [snapback]941584[/snapback]

Our science today has no proof whether it has an end or it doesn't. My guess is that it doesn't, partially the reason that I believe God created it infinite, sort of like our minds. If it does have an end, who's stopping us from believing there is a whole different space and time out there?

*dreamily wonders* rolleyes.gif

I agree, it was designed for us to ask exactly these types of questions. The cause is always greater than the effect? If we cant understand the effect the cause must be really powerful, or intelligent or both!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
final flight
I believe Stephen Hawking adressed this in his book "The Illustrated Theory of Everything".
shinyporpoise
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Nov 20 2005, 06:23 PM) [snapback]941592[/snapback]

Do you believe God is omnipresent?


That depends...

To believe that God is omnipresent, it would be mind-boggling. If he was, he would have to hide is energy level, knowing the fact that all of us would be overjoyed and filled with happiness out of God's love. But, see, that is not really true for there are some of us filled with hate and resentment. Personally, I have no belief that God sits on a mighty throne doing nothing all day except watch us struggle in our tiny lives - he has to be doing something or existing in numerous places for a reason of all the good existing in the world. Same goes for Lucifer/evil.
tags
QUOTE(TheThirdAngel @ Nov 21 2005, 02:42 AM) [snapback]941610[/snapback]

That depends...

To believe that God is omnipresent, it would be mind-boggling. If he was, he would have to hide is energy level, knowing the fact that all of us would be overjoyed and filled with happiness out of God's love. But, see, that is not really true for there are some of us filled with hate and resentment. Personally, I have no belief that God sits on a mighty throne doing nothing all day except watch us struggle in our tiny lives - he has to be doing something or existing in numerous places for a reason of all the good existing in the world. Same goes for Lucifer/evil.

Why are u assuming that God is the origin of joy and happiness etc. Can not all feelings originate in him, therefore he could be omnipresent?
I dont believe this but just saying????
Yelekiah
Is God in hell? They say God cannot reside within a demon, etc. Not sure on the validity of this.
But if he isn't omnipresent how is he infinite?
tags
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Nov 21 2005, 02:50 AM) [snapback]941621[/snapback]

Is God in hell? They say God cannot reside within a demon, etc. Not sure on the validity of this.
But if he isn't omnipresent how is he infinite?

imo based on biblical authority, god created hell for the devil and other fallen angels. God is omnipresent and omnipotent. What we are trying to do is understand God!! but one would have to actually be God to understand him exhaustively.
shinyporpoise
QUOTE(tags @ Nov 20 2005, 06:47 PM) [snapback]941617[/snapback]

Why are u assuming that God is the origin of joy and happiness etc. Can not all feelings originate in him, therefore he could be omnipresent?
I dont believe this but just saying????


I believe that he is the origin of joy and happiness, because he loves us. I try to remain as loyal to him as I can, because I know he loves me and brings me happiness. Believing that heaven is Eternal Happiness, thus created by God, is by no other means The Ultimate Joy.

Now - if you have ever read the book Letters from the Earth by Mark Twain, you'll see in Satan's letter that he says:

"Now then, you have the facts. You know what the human race enjoys, and what it doesn't enjoy. It has invented a heaven out of it's own head, all by itself: guess what it is like! In fifteen hundred eternities you couldn't do it. The ables mind known to you are me in fifty million aeons couldn't do it. Very well, I will tell you about it.

1. First of all, I recall to your attention the extrondinary fact with which I began. To wit, that the human being like the immortals, naturally places sexual intercourse far and away above all other joys - yet he has left it out in his heaven! The very thought of it excites him; opportunity sets him wild; in this state he will risk life, reputation, everything - even his queer heaven itself - to make good that opportunity and ride it into the overwhelming climax. From youth to middle age all men and all women prize copulation above all other pleasures combinded, but yet like I have said: it is not in their heaven; prayer takes it's place.

Now, this is why I believe that God is the source of all our happiness. It is our happiness to believe that we are known and love to God, without asking questions on Earth, like "Does God really love me?" or "Is God really real?". But, we are granted the lovely answers to that question when we are in heaven and realize his bountiful glory. We are happy because like the passage from the book above, we have known that we rise higher than the regular human emotion and instinct, and do not wish to desire sex and other pleasures anymore like we have done on Earth.

Oh, to your question Yelekiah:
He is infinite in his power, not his presence. God does not exist in Hell; he allowed the separation from himself to be a punishment for all who are down there suffering.
Yelekiah
But if God is in all things, then that means he is in you. So you have to understand him a little, even if it's partially. Perhaps you just haven't tapped into God in order to understand him.
But back to the original topic...
Radioactive Man
I'm guessing there's Reavers at the edge of space.


Actually, space can't have an edge, if the universe is continuely growing, er expanding, and the universe is existence, then anything beyond the expansion doesn't exist. Yet.
gandalf2013
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shinyporpoise
This reminds me of the time where mankind thought that the Earth was flat. sleepy.gif

*hint, hint!*
shinyporpoise
QUOTE(gandalf2013 @ Nov 20 2005, 07:20 PM) [snapback]941666[/snapback]

Ask yourselves this question. If there was an end to space, what begins after?

In a way, what is outside of space if space isn't infinite?


Another dimension. Or possibly a whole different 'Space'.
gandalf2013
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Yelekiah
QUOTE(gandalf2013 @ Nov 20 2005, 10:20 PM) [snapback]941666[/snapback]

In a way, what is outside of space if space isn't infinite?

George Bush's brain.
Rainbow Rowan
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Nov 21 2005, 01:22 PM) [snapback]941673[/snapback]

George Bush's brain.

I don't think he has a brain LOL
gandalf2013
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shinyporpoise
QUOTE(gandalf2013 @ Nov 20 2005, 07:22 PM) [snapback]941672[/snapback]

Where did that come from??


I'm refering to our little 'consversation' here, friend. wink2.gif
gandalf2013
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Yelekiah
Same difference. blush.gif
tags
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Nov 21 2005, 03:22 AM) [snapback]941673[/snapback]

George Bush's brain.

grin2.gif grin2.gif grin2.gif grin2.gif grin2.gif
GOOD ONE
shinyporpoise
QUOTE(gandalf2013 @ Nov 20 2005, 07:24 PM) [snapback]941675[/snapback]

Then ask yourself, what is between space and the other dimension or a 'whole different Space' as you called it.


If anything, absolute nothingness.
-Or-
There is nothing between it; they are so close together nothing can fit...it's fun to think about. yes.gif

Okay - now I'm lost. We were just talking about infinite space, now George Bush? Geez.
gandalf2013
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