OK. It's an odd question. But inquiring minds.........

My research suggests that Demons, those that were once fallen angels, are without gender.
Would it actually be possible for them to reproduce? The fallen Watcher angels spawned the Nephilim by assuming human form and mating with humans.

But from what I've read, there's a only a small number of these 'fallen angel' variety of demons.

So can demons actually reproduce? Can they mate, assuming they have gender, and produce offspring???

And could they create beings on their own?

According to Christian belief, only God can create life. Satan and his minions can't.

But what about conjuring up servants, like golems and homunculi??? Constructs???

What good is asking a random question like that?

You don't even know of the existence of 'demons' yet you are asking if they can reproduce?

What does your research on the matter consist of anyway, reading a few geocities websites?

Sorry but I find all this indepth talk about demons utterly rediculous


''According to Christian belief, only God can create life. Satan and his minions can't.''

- Science can already recreate life, and soon it will be able to recreate complex life.... so I guess christian belief is certainly wrong there.

maybe this will help you
Survey of Bible Doctrine: Angels, Satan, Demons

Nice link, Milo. Thanx.

beliefs and supperstitions, honestly what research can be done on myths (if you can even call it that). the bible isnt a history book you know, and frankly there are more proof of lets say bigfoot than demons

EDIT: oh nevermind, someone already said what I wanted to

I beg to differ. Demons have been around in the world since the dawn of Judaism, a few thousands years ago. Unless of course you say bigfoot is a neanderthal that has somehow evaded evolution and death, then of course it exists, it would be silly not too believe.

To answer the question in this post, yes, it is possible for a demon/fallen angel to have sexual relations with a human being, but it is forbidden, therefore, being a sin to them. Of course, being a fallen angel, they do not have to worry about sin, they are already without Gods grace. Sorry for the bad example, but if you have seen the movie City of Angels, where Nicolas Cage is the angel, and he falls in love with Meg Ryan. For this he has to give up being an angel to be with her, it's KINDA simliar. He would be a fallen angel, which does not mean he is an evil person, he just broke Gods rule, and will never be an angel again.

Exactly, the bible is not a history book but a book of myths.

Everything is a myth, until proven to be reality sub_xOne. Space, planets, gravity, and an ellipsoidal earth were once all myth.

Some actually believe he is Cain.



And don't forget the world is flat...

So much for my sailing around the world idea :-(. Some people believe he's Cain ?, never heard that theory before. If so, I hope if he gets caught he can explain how we can have sightings of him in Canada and the States at the same time.

Okay, bare with me on this one, I'm not real sure of the exact details of this belief, I have just heard it in passing. God marked Cain for the murder of Abel and banished him to walk the Earth as a vagrant... we all know that story. Anyway, the belief is in how God marked him, how he must have evolved and the theory that at some point he took on a wife, which means they probably had children....

Sorry, can't give you more specifics... I just heard this theory in passing one time and didn't really pay much attention to it... And sorry Big Daddy, I think we got off of your topic!

Sorry as well Big Daddy, from straying away from your original topic. Thats got to be one of the strangest theories I have ever heard regarding bigfoot. However Im not gonna pick it apart, if someone want's to believe it, all the power and knowledge to them.

Demons in the Bible are questionable to begin with. But (and I'm totally guessing) since demons don't have a gender, perhaps they split the way a nucleus can split. And no, I don't have any evidence.

Exactly, people will believe what they want to. I'm sure there was probably more to the theory itself, I just don't remember because I wasn't very interested in it.

Anyway, if you are into this kind of thing, Big Daddy, I good movie series for you to watch would be The Prophecy series. I believe there is like five in the series. I know the movies are just fiction, but they are interesting, especially the last two in the series. They are all about fallen angels, etc.... Pure fiction, but very entertaining....

You mentioned the movie the City of Angels one of my favorites. In that movie though Nicholas Cage's character was given free will. How did he break God's rule if he made the choice of his own free will. Like you said his charater was not evil and I can understand not being able to become a Angel again. But I am curious if Angels are not given a choice to be human at one point. Just curious and a bit ignorant when it comes to the Bible.

Well if an angel fell from heaven because of a choice they made, it would be evident that they have free will, obviously. It doesn't say it directly in the Bible, but I think it is mentioned in the Book of Enoch perhaps. Angels that reside in the tenth heaven with God (have free will). Not sure about a choice to be human. That would be quite interesting.

now don't everyone attack me at once here but...

what about the watchers in the book of enoch?

I'm only curious and am not really stating anything *tries to avoid religion convos*

In the first book I think it talks about their fall. Haven't read it in a long time.
edit:In the Jewish Midrash, it says angels do not need to reproduce.
As for the Nephilim, they reproduced. They were offspring of fallen angels.

Hollywood always has a way of mixing things up. Angels in a sense HAVE free will, but they cannot really follow it. They must obey god, first and foremost, and his laws, if they don't, they are kicked out of heaven. We, as humans through the teachings and covenant of Jesus Christ are able to repent our sins, and still accept God's grace, regardless of sin, while angels cannot.

This lies the difference between human free will, and angelic free will. This is what made Lucifer / Satan so ticked off, as well as 1/3 of the rest of the angels. Angels did everything god ever wanted them to do, but then God creates us, who seem to have more control over our own destiny.

As far as angels being given the chance to become human, I don't believe that would be possible. They are a different entity, with a specifc purpose that cannot be changed. What if Michael the Angel of Law and Justice suddenly wanted to become human ?, it could cause a great rift within heaven, the Principalities and the Powers. Angels are quite powerful, but since we are created in the likeness of God, and created by God, I doubt an angel would have the power to turn himself into a human being.

As far as Enoch and the watchers, yes, they were a different entity born through human and angelic relation. According to the book, the fallen angels brought law, the seals, and taught the men how to create tools and weapons. Eventually they slept with the human race, and God punished them for these actions, and banished them to " The Lake of Fire ", or, as we now know the dead sea.

Thanks everyone! I sure do appreciate learning about these things because it sure helps to expand my knowledge so again thanks. I thought the book of Enoch was part of the Bible. Am I wrong about that? It has been a while since I heard of the Book of Enoch and it that the same as the keys of Enoch? Again thanks for putting up with my questions.

The Book of Enoch pre-dates the Bible by several years.

hmm ?. No, it actually does not. The book of Enoch was written somewhere between the times of the New Testament, and the Old Testament, generally speaking around 150- 95 B.C. Copies of the Enoch were found with the Dead Sea Scrolls, generally, indicating it was created in, or around that time period.

It was not included in the bible, for a number of reasons. Bishops and Popes had many meetings on what books do qualify as being accepted and not accepted. Still, amoung every priest and roman catholic, their views change, because although all the books in the apocrypha are not in the Roman Catholic Bible, they are still looked at as divine inspired.

For a bit more background knowledge, the church used the following guidelines in the Council of Hippo to what was going to be included in the first bible.

1) Was the book prepared by an apostle or under the direction of an apostle? ?

2) Was the book used and recognized by the churches?

3) Did the book teach sound doctrine as compared with books that were already accepted as Scripture?

Looking at those guidelines, they chose out of the 66 books what got put into the bible. Of course in the future, things changed during the council of florence and so fourth, but I hate taking all this so far off topic.

My deepest apologies Big Daddy,

It predates the New Testament. Sorry for not clarifying it. But I'm fairly certain it does.

Yes, they can. Though I don't know exactly how they do it.

Yea it does, your right on that. I think ancestralbones question was just why it wasen't in the bible. It was available when they made the Roman Catholic bible, just was not included because they didn't think it was influential enough by prophet, apostle, or teaching.

OK. Thanks, all, for you input and comments.
I'm fielding questions and doing research for my writing. I'm nat necessarily looking for FACTUAL info, because this is a work of fiction.
We're dealing with things that are typically hidden from view, and things that many people don't even believe in.

In stead of 'realism', it's better for me to pursue 'plausibility'.

And when in doubt, I can fill in the blanks with my own creations.

This is for my 'Covenant of Thorns' project.

In my opinion you are exactly right, the Bible isn't a History book or is it?

The Bible was written by Psychics back then who were also known as Prophets and what is today's Psychics who Predict all sorts of things and tell us they are speaking to the Spirit World which of course they are and they also would be known as Prophets.

Now tell me I ask why do the Psychic, Prophets of Biblical times have anymore clout than the Psychic, Prophets of today?

Yet if Psychics try to tell the World the same thing that Prophets of yesterday did they call them liars, dillusional, or scammers.

I have been channeling for Spirit since l985 and I have met good and bad spirits and three of them who have caused me the most trouble are three of my Relatives and Dr. Petas whom I knew in this Lifetime yet in the Spirit world they are known as Demons because of their Violence and deplorable behaviour towards me.

As far as I can tell by talking to the Guides, Demons, Angels and Spirits and Ghosts are all the Spirits of the Dead, and they can be your relatives, your enemies or whatever, and no they cannot Reproduce, until or unless they return to Earth through Reincarnation, and all my information comes from the Good Guides I work with who are letting me write about the four Evil Relatives, three of my relatives from this Lifetime, and Dr. Petas to help People to understand as much about these things as I personally know.
As I write here I am writing with Spirits in the Spirit World through autiomatic writing and that is why it has no punctuation and the like because when Spirits talk and write through automatic writing it goes very fast with no pauses for the normal Punctuation.

I have been writing in my Journal about these things I have learned and I began the aol Journal on October, 27, 2003 hoping to tell the world what I know about the Spirit World and all of it is not pleasant and may frighten some people so thought I should put this warning because it may not be for the faint of heart in some parts of it.

http://Journals.aol.com//Kitty1392/TwoWorlds/entries

Everything I write here is a true experience and everything is the absolute truth as far as I can prove by writing what is happening to me as I channel for Spirit both good and bad.
The Bad I do not choose to write with but so far there is nothing I personally can do about it and so I will just let others know what my Personal Experiences has been.

There is much good that has happened to me as I channel for Spirit but three of the Relatives and Dr. Petas like I said have made my life a living hell and each day I try an Exorcism on them by running the Russian Exorcism which has not worked so far but it does make me feel better.

The following is the website for the Russian Exorcism if anyone would like to know this, and it takes you through a full Exorcism, and I am hoping by touching the screen when the Priest is Exorcising the people there it could come through and help to help me.
http://www.thothweb.com/article434.html
If it finally works I'll let everyone know.