ooohh if only I could change the very nature of the human race.. *rubs paws together* Muhahaha!

Perhaps "God" doesn't interfere because we are not meant to glorify.
Perhaps we are not as separate from "God as some would have us believe.

Yes, I've never felt that god (or whatever you call it) was separate from the universe.
That's why the whole creationism vs. evolution debate has always been unnecessary in my mind. But that's another topic.



That would be nice, but then it would kinda screw free will over. I believe that they get their's anyways though.

Actually the attitude does work now. It works with the school children I look after, it works with my own children, it works in my martial arts classes and believe it or not it even works at U.M. There have been many times I have seen people post threads like, Did we land on the moon? And even though I know it has been proven hundreds of times before that yes we did land on the moon, I still let the threads go. Why? Because people generally learn better without interference.

I have seen people take you on, in a thread about evolution and instead of stopping them and telling them they might get hurt, I let them. They may walk away slightly bruised but they will also be wiser for it. Infact if I interfered, they would only walk away ignorant of facts and move there lack of knowledge elsewhere. Nobody would be better off, only my ego would benefit.

And as Silver said, if I could change the nature of the human race, I would.

The only problem with the system now is not because of society as a whole, but because of individuals who have not learnt self responsibility yet.

I 100% agree with you, a lot of youths these days need to learn a lot and if it means they get bruised by doing so, so be it...in my day I was taught how to stick up formyself against bullys, how to defend myself, how to show respect...and most importantly..how to learn my my mistakes

Kismet definitly a very huge problem is that people don't take responsibiblity for themselves or their beleifs which is really the same thing IMO. Namaste Sheri

Yep we give people excuses, some excuses are found in religion, some excuses are found in colour, some excuses are found in family. Infact excuses are everywhere.

It's an awful lot harder to stand eye to eye to someone and say, 'I was wrong.' than it is to say, 'It's becuase I couldn't.... she made me.... it was broken so I.... or the modern day favorite, I was too waisted to know what I was doing' Pfft! That one just gets right up my nose.
Yet if you make a habbit of admiting your faults the odd thing is they start to improve a little. After all nobody really wants to be wrong. And if you don't admit to them and you hide behind excuses, the only person you really hurt is yourself, but what a waste.

Since we have strayed into discussion about the contemporary God, can I assume that we wish to continue with Him and not create a new one that is more to our liking and service?

iaapac, i would say those that are happy with their current "gods" are not looking for an improved version, and those that don't have use for "gods" are not about to adopt one. there is nothing like the status quo.

It's not really the contemporary god. It's not how everyone sees their God, it is how at least I would like a God to be, which is what you asked for.

It's just that I'm so darn logical. That people can't help agree with me. So we can make him the contemporary god if you like, I always wanted a self styled religion to call my own.

Where's my old narcism quote? Might be time to dust it off again.

Exactly Kismet, you hit this one straight on, You are also so right on!!! when you realize your imperfections make your perfection possible you grow up alot, when you realize your ignorance makes your intellegent moments possible, then being responsible is the only choice, Great post Kismet Namaste Sheri

I think the point Sera's trying to make is that you're proposing a god that doesn't interfere, and then going on to talk about this huge change in humanity...right now we have a god that doesn't interfere (well...so the religious people tell us), and the world is a pretty messed up place.

Basically, the changes you're talking about have nothing to do with "make your own diety"...it's change on a massive social level, that doesn't really have anything to do with what diety people are wasting their time on; whether it's a conventional diety, or one made up in this thread.

I find it easy to interpret some posts as saying, "The best god is no god" while others want an interactive god that intercedes and guides. Others seem to perceive a desired god as an extension of a good parent who rewards and punishes, but fairly and for your own good.

Personally, the god I would create would be present in all things and would advertise himself in the wonder of life. I would need no messages from him (or her) but would be filled with the inspiration of simply being. I would want the gift of life to be something marvelous, not that it would be without trials, but that we would be granted the innate wisdom to know that we have the responsibility to fill our lives with a million experiences, not the same expereience a million times.

I want my god to open eyes and soften hearts. In that respect I want him to control just enough that man cannot take control from him and destroy all that is good.

I need no concepts of sin, heaven or hell. I don't want to talk about eternity, salvation or damnation. I want to live and be excited with the mysteries of what lies beyond.

Wonderful post...
now if we could just get everybody agree to honour/worship whatever in peace and love.
Any suggestions on how we can do this?

Hello Shadowsleet, long time no see.

No I'm not proposing social change, I'm just proposing the kind of God I would want. I just can't make people follow him, allthough it would be nice. Want to join the latest thing in cults?

Voltaire said, "If there was not a god, man would invent one." I assume that in this, we are starting over with a new social order and sense of human understanding.

Iaapac, beautiful post namaste Sheri

Yes.
Yes.
Yes.

We need a god with a sense of humor!

In my opinion, the god should strike down internet abusers

Damn straight!

[size=2]this is WRONGE.We can't create Him, He created us remember.He is bigger than anything we could ever imagine .He is God. He is incompareable.

did you read the beginning post?

This is an exercise in imagination.

If you were to have a say in the creation of god, what would you say?

btw, this:

is a matter of opinion and faith, which is not necessarily shared by everyone here.



good journey

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As it relates to the oprigional topic here are my thoughts.

Many people currently look to a diety/god/source...whatever to provide their inspiration and moral direction.
We have, IMCO (C being current )given away our power.
We have given away soul growth to others which have kept many suffering because they fail to find and follow their true essence.
IMO, religions steal our souls. We have been conditioned to believe that all hell will break out if we do not have spiritual morals to guide us, but I know these morals are already imbued in us and if we were allowed to fly free, and our moral bearings come from within and already freely given to us, then and only then will we be allowed to ascend.
We have come to believe that plunging within the depths of our soul is akin to "hell"
We seek spirit which we assume is assention, but never plunge into the depths of our soul.
Native americans and shamans consider this the "underworld"
Organized religions consider this "Hell"

To me, your soul appears to be your true nature, and as such can also be thought of as your true place "IN" nature.
Are you not born to occupy a paricular place within the community?
Each one of us is born with a treasure, an essence, a seed of quiescent potential, secreted from safekeeping in the centre of our being.
This treasure, this personal quality, power, talent, or gift is ours to develop, embody, create and offer to our communities through acts of service.
Our personal destiny is to BECOME that treasure through our actions.
To me, we cannot experience soul fullfilment without preforming true service.
To quote Frederick Buechner
"our calling is where our deepest gladness and the world's hunger meet"

Chief Seattle said it quite neatly:
"A task without a vision is just a job,
A vision without a task is just a dream,
A vision with a task can change the world"

Blessings