WARNING!!! This post is long.

Okay, this topic is to discuss what the Greys might truly be if they exist.......please don't post anything like they aren't real so don't worry about.



Ever since I posted on the "why do greys freak me out" topic the question as to what the Greys really are has popped up on my mind.

Now, IF, the Greys actually exist (which I think they do)....what are they???

There are only a few possibilities here, but each possibility completely alters the train of thought one might have towards them. The Greys can only be a few things:

1. They are what most seem to think they are....they're aliens. They're a race of beings from another planet, probably another solar system, possibly another galaxy all together.

2. They're demons or devils, possibly THE devil himself masquerading as an entire race of beings.

3. They are things we put here by our own thoughts, "beings" manifested in our global conscience that we have made real by just thinking about them.

4. They're offspring of Fallen Angels, like the Giants

5. They're people from the future, where the world has been destroyed by a nuclear holocaust which has turned their appearance to what it is now.

Lets look at the evidence for each possibility and ask ourselves some questions....

Possibility 1. Alien Theory: The evidence for this is vast.... The first thing that sticks out is that they fly in what appear to be superior flying machines (what demon do you know does that?). If they were something other than alien why would they need to get around in star ships? Although some would argue that UFO's haven't been proven to be space ships, there are many abductees who have said they were taken into space. On top of that there has been footage from space which many have claimed to by UFO's, and lets not forget the mysterious activity on the moon and claims that astronauts encountered aliens there. Plus, the fact is......if they aren't space ships where on Earth are they being housed? Underground? Okay, maybe some are underground, but where was the first one kept? The second thing that offers evidence to the alien theory is the reports of the Greys actually telling people they are aliens that come from another star system. Since this can't be disputed because we can't go to that star system and look for ourselves I guess we'll just have to take the Greys word for it.... A third piece of evidence is their alleged motives, one is that they need humans to advance their evolution, and the other is that they've come to warn us about our harmful weapons and polluting. Okay, so they need us to advance their evolution that could make sense, I mean how many other humanoid beings are there out there to chose from??? But what about the other motive people claim they have.......are you telling me they flew hundreds of light years just to tell us to stop smoking and behave? That doesn't seem likely... But what about the biggest piece of evidence to support the alien theory......what about the fact that the U.S. govt. has reportedly captured a UFO and alien bodies and tried to cover it up because of public panic??? If they really have dead alien bodies that would lean more towards the alien theory because no demons or devils or fallen angels, or beings made up in our minds have left bodies to my knowledge. And why would the govt. cover up what they know if they weren't aliens? If they were demons or spiritual beings wouldn't that reassure everyone that God is real because we know of demons that are out there today?

In the end we're left with the Grey's claims, abductees claims, a govt. cover up, alien bodies, and space ships........that's a lot of evidence to support the alien theory. But why be so secretive about their presence? If they're so smart couldn't they have just landed and asked for our help? And if they didn't want to cause a panic, why abduct people.....they could still communicate in secret with the govt. or just raid blood banks and hospitals.

Possibility 2. the Demon Theory: The proof of their demonic or satanic origin lies with the simple visual facts. Number 1 they look demonic and most people are some what disturbed by their appearance. Even though most people are also disturbed by the appearance of a crab or octopus, their appearance must account for something.... Number 2 they do activities ancient demons were reported to do, they perform sexual acts on people which are very simular to the scubas demons and others like them; could that just be coincidence?? Number 3 many have said they have been seen wearing symbols such as a snake or serpent, or other secret society symbols like those for free masons and such. Since those symbols are thought to be connected to satan and people of the devil worshiping persuasion it makes one think the Greys are connected to such things. Maybe they're the devil himself, maybe they just work for him like the others who wear such symbols, we can't be sure, but we do know that such things have been seen on them... Number 4 they are sometimes described as reptilian like, which once again brings us back to the serpent and satan. But the biggest evidence of them being demons or devils comes from account of people who were being abducted, but saved from the Greys once they asked for God's assistance. Once they asked God for help, the Greys quickly scadadeled, some have reported sightings of Angels scaring the Greys away when they asked for God's help.

So we're left with the fact that they usually seem evil, look demonic, have been known to wear satanic or occultish symbols, are afraid of God, and appear reptilian......that's a lot of evidence to support the demon or devil theory. But why disguise themselves as aliens?? The general idea is that they do it to bring a human's faith into question. I mean if you were looking at a real life Grey and he was telling you that his race created man genetically, wouldn't you be inclined to question your faith, whatever it might be?

Possibility 3. The Manifested Beings Theory: I don't remember the exact word for what that's called, but it means just by un conciously or conciously thinking about what an alien might look like or be like.......we have globally created them. They are no longer only in our minds, because we believe in them so much we have made them living things that can now manifest themselves. Evidence for this is slim but notable. For instance, most people who describe Greys are under hypnosis, which means they are susceptible to persuasion and it means they are deeply connected to their sub conscious.....so, if we made them up in our minds, hypnosis would make them seem real. Another bit of evidence is that a lot of people who see UFO's or Greys are people who believed in them prior.....maybe they saw it because the wanted to see it?

But the big question with this theory is.......if we created the aliens, did we imagine and bring to life their ships? And did we mentally inflict damage upon ourselves unknowingly? Do some women believe so much sub consciously in aliens that they can make their own child disappear from their womb???

Possibility 4. The Fallen Angel Offspring Theory: This theory makes a lot of sense too, and has a lot of evidence to support it.......but because it is pretty much the same as the demon evidence I won't repeat it all. The only things that could add to this is the fact that many ancient cultures described Grey like beings as being gods.....maybe they were following in their parents footsteps??? Another piece of evidence for this theory is that they seem to be physical, demons are thought of to be spirits rather than actually physical beings, and since aliens seem to be physical especially if you believe we have bodies of them, that would mean they have stuff in common with other Fallen Angel offspring such as giants. Also, giants could be killed, and apparently so can Greys....so the theory fits.

But there's one question......how did they survive the flood???? If they are fallen angel offspring shouldn't they have been killed with all the other offspring like their giant brethren??? So how can this be explained? Some believe that there was more than one fall, one that resulted in the flood, and then another one after.... I mean, God had already promised not to destroy everything on Earth again, so maybe the angels figured now they could create offspring that wouldn't be killed off by God. Or maybe this is when the UFO's come into the picture...... Maybe the Greys managed to survive the flood by building craft to flee the Earth; maybe they settled else where only to return later?

Possibility 5. The Future People Theory: This theory is backed by the Greys appearance........with small sickly looking bodies and pale skin they sure seem to be a good candidate for a group of people who spent a thousand years underground because of nuclear war. And there reproductive motive would fit nicely into that scenario....they could be doing it to get the human race back to its' original state. But how did they get back here to begin with? Some think their ships have the ability to create worm holes which they jump through, that would explain the travel. But why would they do it in a way that would draw attention to themselves?? Obviously they wouldn't want to alter history. And why claim to be aliens? It makes no sense, unless they were claiming to be aliens so we wouldn't stop our nuclear programs, which would change time..........but then again, if they could go back in time, wouldn't that be the real goal?? And why would they need to keep coming back, if they could time travel couldn't they just go back to ancient times.....specifically one single moment in time over and over again so that there would only be one UFO event in history???? And why would ancients claim Greys to be gods? Surely people wouldn't come back to surpress their ancestors?


So what are the Greys? From what I've seen they seem to be sinister in any case. But what are they? If they're aliens, then we aren't alone, which is HUGE news! If they're things we created, that means as humans we could do ANYTHING by simply putting our mind to it like that old saying states! If they're from the future, we have a lot of work ahead of us! If they're fallen angel offspring, or if they're demons or the devil, we better watch out and not be deceived!

In any case this is a very serious question we need truthfully answered.

Personally i'm on the fence between alien and demonic or fallen angel offspring.....and leaning more towards demons.

What do the rest of you think?

[quote name='TheEssenceofExcellence' date='Nov 24 2005, 12:55 AM' post='946637']
WARNING!!! This post is long.

Okay, this topic is to discuss what the Greys might truly be if they exist.......please don't post anything like they aren't real so don't worry about.
Ever since I posted on the "why do greys freak me out" topic the question as to what the Greys really are has popped up on my mind.

Now, IF, the Greys actually exist (which I think they do)....what are they???

There are only a few possibilities here, but each possibility completely alters the train of thought one might have towards them. The Greys can only be a few things:

1. They are what most seem to think they are....they're aliens. They're a race of beings from another planet, probably another solar system, possibly another galaxy all together.

2. They're demons or devils, possibly THE devil himself masquerading as an entire race of beings.

3. They are things we put here by our own thoughts, "beings" manifested in our global conscience that we have made real by just thinking about them.

4. They're offspring of Fallen Angels, like the Giants

5. They're people from the future, where the world has been destroyed by a nuclear holocaust which has turned their appearance to what it is now.

Lets look at the evidence for each possibility and ask ourselves some questions....

Possibility 1. Alien Theory: The evidence for this is vast.... The first thing that sticks out is that they fly in what appear to be superior flying machines (what demon do you know does that?). If they were something other than alien why would they need to get around in star ships? Although some would argue that UFO's haven't been proven to be space ships, there are many abductees who have said they were taken into space. On top of that there has been footage from space which many have claimed to by UFO's, and lets not forget the mysterious activity on the moon and claims that astronauts encountered aliens there. Plus, the fact is......if they aren't space ships where on Earth are they being housed? Underground? Okay, maybe some are underground, but where was the first one kept? The second thing that offers evidence to the alien theory is the reports of the Greys actually telling people they are aliens that come from another star system. Since this can't be disputed because we can't go to that star system and look for ourselves I guess we'll just have to take the Greys word for it.... A third piece of evidence is their alleged motives, one is that they need humans to advance their evolution, and the other is that they've come to warn us about our harmful weapons and polluting. Okay, so they need us to advance their evolution that could make sense, I mean how many other humanoid beings are there out there to chose from??? But what about the other motive people claim they have.......are you telling me they flew hundreds of light years just to tell us to stop smoking and behave? That doesn't seem likely... But what about the biggest piece of evidence to support the alien theory......what about the fact that the U.S. govt. has reportedly captured a UFO and alien bodies and tried to cover it up because of public panic??? If they really have dead alien bodies that would lean more towards the alien theory because no demons or devils or fallen angels, or beings made up in our minds have left bodies to my knowledge. And why would the govt. cover up what they know if they weren't aliens? If they were demons or spiritual beings wouldn't that reassure everyone that God is real because we know of demons that are out there today?

In the end we're left with the Grey's claims, abductees claims, a govt. cover up, alien bodies, and space ships........that's a lot of evidence to support the alien theory. But why be so secretive about their presence? If they're so smart couldn't they have just landed and asked for our help? And if they didn't want to cause a panic, why abduct people.....they could still communicate in secret with the govt. or just raid blood banks and hospitals.

Possibility 2. the Demon Theory: The proof of their demonic or satanic origin lies with the simple visual facts. Number 1 they look demonic and most people are some what disturbed by their appearance. Even though most people are also disturbed by the appearance of a crab or octopus, their appearance must account for something.... Number 2 they do activities ancient demons were reported to do, they perform sexual acts on people which are very simular to the scubas demons and others like them; could that just be coincidence?? Number 3 many have said they have been seen wearing symbols such as a snake or serpent, or other secret society symbols like those for free masons and such. Since those symbols are thought to be connected to satan and people of the devil worshiping persuasion it makes one think the Greys are connected to such things. Maybe they're the devil himself, maybe they just work for him like the others who wear such symbols, we can't be sure, but we do know that such things have been seen on them... Number 4 they are sometimes described as reptilian like, which once again brings us back to the serpent and satan. But the biggest evidence of them being demons or devils comes from account of people who were being abducted, but saved from the Greys once they asked for God's assistance. Once they asked God for help, the Greys quickly scadadeled, some have reported sightings of Angels scaring the Greys away when they asked for God's help.

So we're left with the fact that they usually seem evil, look demonic, have been known to wear satanic or occultish symbols, are afraid of God, and appear reptilian......that's a lot of evidence to support the demon or devil theory. But why disguise themselves as aliens?? The general idea is that they do it to bring a human's faith into question. I mean if you were looking at a real life Grey and he was telling you that his race created man genetically, wouldn't you be inclined to question your faith, whatever it might be?

Possibility 3. The Manifested Beings Theory: I don't remember the exact word for what that's called, but it means just by un conciously or conciously thinking about what an alien might look like or be like.......we have globally created them. They are no longer only in our minds, because we believe in them so much we have made them living things that can now manifest themselves. Evidence for this is slim but notable. For instance, most people who describe Greys are under hypnosis, which means they are susceptible to persuasion and it means they are deeply connected to their sub conscious.....so, if we made them up in our minds, hypnosis would make them seem real. Another bit of evidence is that a lot of people who see UFO's or Greys are people who believed in them prior.....maybe they saw it because the wanted to see it?

But the big question with this theory is.......if we created the aliens, did we imagine and bring to life their ships? And did we mentally inflict damage upon ourselves unknowingly? Do some women believe so much sub consciously in aliens that they can make their own child disappear from their womb???

Possibility 4. The Fallen Angel Offspring Theory: This theory makes a lot of sense too, and has a lot of evidence to support it.......but because it is pretty much the same as the demon evidence I won't repeat it all. The only things that could add to this is the fact that many ancient cultures described Grey like beings as being gods.....maybe they were following in their parents footsteps??? Another piece of evidence for this theory is that they seem to be physical, demons are thought of to be spirits rather than actually physical beings, and since aliens seem to be physical especially if you believe we have bodies of them, that would mean they have stuff in common with other Fallen Angel offspring such as giants. Also, giants could be killed, and apparently so can Greys....so the theory fits.

But there's one question......how did they survive the flood???? If they are fallen angel offspring shouldn't they have been killed with all the other offspring like their giant brethren??? So how can this be explained? Some believe that there was more than one fall, one that resulted in the flood, and then another one after.... I mean, God had already promised not to destroy everything on Earth again, so maybe the angels figured now they could create offspring that wouldn't be killed off by God. Or maybe this is when the UFO's come into the picture...... Maybe the Greys managed to survive the flood by building craft to flee the Earth; maybe they settled else where only to return later?

Possibility 5. The Future People Theory: This theory is backed by the Greys appearance........with small sickly looking bodies and pale skin they sure seem to be a good candidate for a group of people who spent a thousand years underground because of nuclear war. And there reproductive motive would fit nicely into that scenario....they could be doing it to get the human race back to its' original state. But how did they get back here to begin with? Some think their ships have the ability to create worm holes which they jump through, that would explain the travel. But why would they do it in a way that would draw attention to themselves?? Obviously they wouldn't want to alter history. And why claim to be aliens? It makes no sense, unless they were claiming to be aliens so we wouldn't stop our nuclear programs, which would change time..........but then again, if they could go back in time, wouldn't that be the real goal?? And why would they need to keep coming back, if they could time travel couldn't they just go back to ancient times.....specifically one single moment in time over and over again so that there would only be one UFO event in history???? And why would ancients claim Greys to be gods? Surely people wouldn't come back to surpress their ancestors?
So what are the Greys? From what I've seen they seem to be sinister in any case. But what are they? If they're aliens, then we aren't alone, which is HUGE news! If they're things we created, that means as humans we could do ANYTHING by simply putting our mind to it like that old saying states! If they're from the future, we have a lot of work ahead of us! If they're fallen angel offspring, or if they're demons or the devil, we better watch out and not be deceived!

In any case this is a very serious question we need truthfully answered.

Personally i'm on the fence between alien and demonic or fallen angel offspring.....and leaning more towards demons.
dood this is so long
i think the grays are here cause they donot know a lot about us

^No point in quoting ridiculously long texts. Especially when they are directly above you.
Number three is scary.

There was a thread that showed it was evident that greys are an invention and the media is partially responsible. Before the 20th century you hear stories of aliens, but the description is bizarre and nothing like the greys.

hey ethan, next time dont copy the whole post. it takes too much space.

well like people are probably noticing i dont think they are aliens and i know that they arnt the only "type" of "beings" that are seen... i also dont think they are demons but i think that "demons" and "these visitors" are the same thing... or come from the same "place&time".

the grays are very similar to many storys/myths/legends of yore... all around the world although what many seem to not realize is that "hairy black dwarfs" are reported just as often.

these hairy guys were called Ihkal in mexico meaning something like "black" and supposedly lived in caves and/or under the earth (the people thought the world was flat) and they are black because the sun burned them.

so i really dont know what the heck they are.

another possibility is they could be a form of highly evolved aquatic mammal, dolphins for instance. Small civilisations underwater and all this talk about saving our planet could be them saving theyre own planet.

The thing is its all speculative bulls***, and I especially think the whole demon/fallen angel theories complete and utter speculative bulls***.

Theres sense in them just being extra terrestrials, there is also sense in them being aquatic mammals, humans from the future or creations of human collective consciousness... but there in NO sense whatsoever in them being demons or 'fallen angels' other than the missinterpretted information you current (as in last 500 years) religious people have constructed up from the bible, which I actually believe holds ALOT of truth, but like I say its been ignorantly missinterpreted

LOL...why is there no sense in them being fallen angels or demons... do YOU know what a fallen angel or demon is?...no. so how the hell are you going to know if they are the same thing or not!? mabye that misinterpretion you speak of is actually this:

"The Demons and Fallen Angels of that time were nothing more than extra terrestrials that were described as said demons/fallen angels because the social/religeous/technological state of that time could describe them as nothing else"

although the way the extra terrestrial theory is used is utter bull**** itself...

This following Book was at my local library, and it gives the best interpretation yet on the "Grey Extraterestrials" which I have seen anywhere. I know most on these forums don't believe in channel mediums, but I do believe some are genuine, and the complete story is channeled from a "Grey". Fantastic reading even if you don't believe!

so whats your point?

Your saying exactly the same thing I said, yet are talking to me as if your arguing against my post...

-edit: Im saying this falsified image of somekind of non physical entities working for the devil or 'god' is bullshiz, arent you?

hmm yes i am

ok sorry...

yeah, I've heard that underwater mammal theory. And the theory that they're evolved dolphins, or that dolphins are scouts for them. To me it doesn't add up, unless they have at some point constructed underwater cities like the Gungans in Star Wars a mamal couldn't survive under water (they have to breath air!) But most discrediting to them being an underwater creature is the fact that they're humanoid. The human form is a poor form for ANY sea creature. They wouldn't be fast at all, no hope in out swimming predators or catching a meal (although they could feed on micro organisms or something). For them to live under the sea and be from earth they would have had to have been sea creatures that evolved into a land dwelling organism but then decided, after learning how to build things by using minerals on the surface, to go back to the water. That to me sounds dumb.

The only other real theory no one has mentioned yet that I left out is the terra beings theory. Which states they were once dinos or some other ancient reptile that retreated underneath the Earth during the extinction period. Once under the earth after 65 million years to evolve they became intelligent greys. This theory is supported by the Hopi Indians who claimed to have knowledge of the "ant people" who live in caves underground, their descriptions match that of a grey. There is also the report of people who repeled down into one of the Ican or Mayan burial pits that go thousands of feet down....when they got to the bottom they said they found a running underground river and reportedly saw muddy reptilian looking footprints on the river bank. I'd have to say that the theory is promising, but if they're from underground and are much more advanced then we are.......why haven't they done what every other earth life form does when they are superior...take over??? On top of that if they were dinos or other reptiles that went underground.......I can see how after a few thousand years they could have evolved to adapt to underground conditions.....but how could the first few generations survive? What could they have lived on down there???

Here is a link towards Aleister Crowley and what looks a whole lot like a "Grey" I thought this was interesting because this happened before the whole Betty/Barney Hill thing.

http://www.boudillion.com/lam/lam.htm

I guess we will never actually know what "Greys" are, if anything, until they make themselves
known to everyone.

mabey they are all of the the things at one minus the angel theories thats bull crud

Maybe if we got some abductee's in here we'd find out a little more information.

Belief in alien abduction may appear to some as quasi-religious, but it is probably more accurate to characterise it as a folk myth like urban legends.
There is no credible scientific proof what so ever.

you know debunker thats all you ever say... you dont need scientific proof for something to actually exist.. i could name fifty thousand examples but i wont...

Lol! So basically you are supporting Billy in this scenario:

Billy: Tooth Fairies are real, I know, I read about them and it has to be true because loads of people say so.
Bobby: No, there is no proof that they exist.
Billy: Uh no! You don't need proof for something that actually exists.
Bobby: Right then...

no i dont even believe in the ufo phenomenon 100%... but i do hold it for possible. and the point is that if you always just say: "There is no proof so its bullcrap" then your never going to find out are you...

No, but it means that ridiculous theories aren't entertained.

I mean believing that aliens visit us in 'UFOs' (yes I know what it stands for), is one thing, but then constructing an entire school of thought on it is so completely ridiculous.

So many people have jumped from there are aliens, to there are aliens that visit us, there are aliens that have met the government, there is an alien coverup and in exchange for technology they get to abduct humans and that Greys are the highly evolved form of Dolphins and we actually might be related to some guys called the Pleadians.

I mean come on, how the hell do people construct all of this in their head, in so much detail, give so much belief and time to it, when there was never a shred of evidence to even support the base of their claims!

It is absolutely mind boggling.

(I know that isn't a direct response to your post, but I wanted to get that off my chest).

actually i agree with you 100% . thats what my ""Aliens"&UFO's - What are they" thread was more or less about... about people jumping to seemingly obvious conclusions like them being from another planet or what not. IF they exist then i dont have a clue what they are. but the phenomenon has to be researched (by competent scientists... which almost NONE of the guys researching this stuff are) because even if they do not exist the "phenomenon" has had so much impact on society that it is definetly still worth researching if even out of pure social science reasons

dont know if thats phrased correctly but i think you get the point

dont get me wrong, i'm curious just like everyone else, but what if we DO find out?regardles what they are, aliens, demons or whatever, just imagine what would be publics reaction to the news, like "research has shown that aliens exist and are far more advanced and powerfull the we" or "we have proven that those demons you use to scare your kids with are actualy real"
the reaction would basicly be like you saw godzila coming your way.thats just the way humans are, they're afraid of what they dont understand, remember burning withches a few hundred years ago?

another thing, i dont think such countrys like usa, especialy in the cold war or after 9/11 would just ignore unknown objects in there air space, they probably found out, but like i mentioned above, most posible explanations would just cause unnecesary panic

has anyone noticed that they were never called grey or even had the same description until up to a certain point, and now it seems they are practically the only alien people "encounter"
my point is that until greys got all the publicity no one was seeing them but now they are the stereotypical extraterrestrial image
coincidence? i think not

But then whose to say that they arent interdimensional beings and need to use a different body to be visible to us in this plane, so choose the most simplified humanoid form they can as to approach us with something we can at least vaguely relate to

Anything is possible, so really debating the small facts, while interesting, is pretty pointless.

And Mr Ed. if you were to do any amount of proper research you'd find a wealth of evidence and logical stories, mainly in ancient civilisations who dont have fame/money making insentives and media influenced minds like modern poeple.

I have researched to some extent actually, logical stories and a wealth of evidence? No.
Stories have been around forever, so have asteroids, gods and interpretations.

Whats your point?

Like I said, if you were to any amount of open minded research you would find a wealth of evidence and logical stories.

My point is that these pieces of 'evidence' are stories, interpretations, gods, UFOs- asteriods burning up in the sky etc...

So you can obviously explain why all these discs and flying machines etc were depicted by ancient civilisations in their art, writings and statues, gods etc. you then believe that all these things were figments of these peoples imaginations?

It is absolutely mind boggling.

History Lesson

I'm on the fence with the alien thery and the one about them being time travelers.

If they are aliens, then there's a chance tht we might be albe to learn a lot from them, if they don't eat us.

I would also be pleased to find out that they are timetravelers from our disatnt future. If they really are from the future, then that proves that we made it. We didn't wipe out the race. As long as they don't eat us.

Hello "Lord Umbarger" so you sit on the fence like so many people in the world. That's ok, we are all entitled to our own beliefs and opinions. I also notice that you state that they might eat us! Well this may in some way explain another type of evolution theory that I just made up. How's this for a new theory: Time travelers from the "distant future come down to eat us, and by so doing we evolve into them? This theory would have certainly given Darwin a new challenge to explore.

on the theory of greys being demons: i thought they were different entities entirely? i dont really believe that demons exist, mind you, but i always thought of them as being spirits, something inhuman... whereas greys are physically solid beings. i also believe they could be a product of the imagination TO AN EXTENT. i think so many people find their appearance frightening because artists/hollywood producers/etc give aliens mean faces and big guns. of course i dont know the aliens general attitude/disposition towards earth, but i dont think its malicious. id imagine theyre trying to help us, or work with us (or just peacefully study us, if nothing else).
the "people from the future" theory seems a little farfetched to me, i dont see a logical way for them to get from the future to here... but like i said, i cant be sure.

For the open minders out there check out "close enounters of the god kind" :
http://www.jdmstore.org/cgi-local/SoftCart....html?E+scstore

Anyways, in it he said that when he was taken, either in his body or out, he found himself in a "chariot-like vehicle." "Moving at a phenomenal rate of speed," due to what he saw out of the vehicle: "I believe they were stars, we were moving incredibly fast." "There was no noise other than a faint wistle." Kind of like when you guys move your hand or some object like a knife or stick fast past your ears, you here a wistle.

That was just a snipet of only his way to heaven, he goes into detail of heaven itself, and the trip back to his apartment.

I believe the ufo's that us humans witness today is part of the techonolgy that is used to come in and out of our dimension today and are used both by evil beings and good. There does seem to be a corolation with his description of the vehicle he was in, and the "typical ufo."

That guy is a good guy and I believe everything the man says. If you have the money I'd say get it now, it's up to you of course.

plenty of storys about demons being physically solid... plenty of reports of the visitors being more like ghosts...

this is not directed only towards you coryGEE:

PEOPLE STOP WATCHING TALKSHOWS AND READING THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER! if your not then you are definetly reading books by the wrong "scientists"

i barely watch talkshows, ive never read the national enquirer, and ive never read a book by a "scientist". i was actually basing that on general ideas i got from many sources, not something a strung-out psychic on daytime television told me. i just assumed the basic belief to be that demons are something from a spiritual world and aliens are similar to humans (somewhat).
but yes, good point, i didnt think of it that way

yeah i wasnt trying to insult you or anything and of course i dont know what youve watched or heard... but see thats proof that something is wrong right there... you only hear about the "normal" sightings and abductions. believe me there are lots and lots of very wierd storys about CE3's... read up and youll see that the phenomenon is alot stranger than most think

(god i know you guys are getting tired of my babbling... to bad! )

yeah, i think my brain was just in closed-mode. i have heard of aliens appearing ghost-like... but i dont think ive ever heard any REAL reports of solid demons, strangely... ill certainly have to look into it though, sounds interesting.

Classify demons:
To me, demons can be classified as the devil, the "fallen angels themselfs, and the souls or spirits who may not enter heaven."
There are no "physically solid demons," they are spirits. Only when in their hosts' body do they take on physical form. Kind of like us for example: Each one of us has a soul (spirit), our body is only the physical part, our body is the so-called "host" part of us.

Their are different hierarchies in the demon class. Depending on how high the demon is, will determine its "power" and its ability to come into our dimension and manifest itself, (whether that be only in spirit form (ghost) or entering a host body (possession).
The devil, is the highest ranking demon.
Second comes the fallen angels, which probably have their "own" class of rankings.
Then comes the misilaneous spirits (souls or spirits who may not enter heaven), I am sure there are many more rankings in this category.
Nephilims are not demons, they are evil, but they are not demons, their "souls" (spirits) are the demons, the Nephilim creatures are possessed. The nephilim would be the host body which "houses" the demon (spirit, soul).
Because demons can enter physical bodies, they can "deform" so-to-speak the host, such in the case when they all rebelled against god, came into our dimension, inherited free will, which then doomed them to hell, as the result of their evil deeds.
I'll put up my "Angel version" latter on, meanwhile we are on demonology 101.

ARGH! how do you know what the hell a demon is!?

hehe, yes, where do you get your info from solofront?

All I do is research my friends.
I love going to libraies from the time they open to the time they close, I will be the first one in and the last one out.
When ever I get a chance to use the computer, I am either on UM or doing my own research about various topics, usually whenever I see an interesting topic here on this site, I will spend a couple days researching on the web, then I will put down my input in the form of a "post" regarding all that I know or have learned.

Just takes patients my friends,
I believe we are demonology 101, so what do you want to discuss, regarding this subject?

Maby you should try a science book some time.You know,information about the real world.

So you believe that whole intricate concept on demons simply from reading stuff on the internet?

I didnt mention the libraries as the only stuff about demons you'd find in a library would be fictional stories and bible quotes, although theres not much of a difference between the two

Lets see, I passed astI and astII with A's
Biology I with A
Geology I with A
ect... I have taken every science course in highschool, and almost every one in college, believe me, I've read plent o' science books...

Some random guys talking about some random beleifs:

random guy 1. "The world is not flat"

random guy 2. "Are you kidding me? Go ahead, "sail..." west, and when you are falling remember what I told you."

random guy 1. "You mean your opinion regarding the over-all shape of the earth?"

random guy 2. "Look around you, if you can convince one person that the world is round, I will go with you"

random guy 1. "How about you go with me anyways, then when we are approaching the edge, you proved me wrong, and we sail back"

random guy 2. "Why in the bloody hell would I want to go with you anyways"

random guy 1. "Why not, if there is your so called "edge" I told you, we will simply turn around"


Everything starts with a beleif, hypothesis, prediction, random argueing...lol
But you need all that to form the back bone of what you are and why you are beleiving, hypothesising, and predicting about!

Who would knew we would have the f22 raptor, u2, global hawk, drones, smart bullets, "internet". It all comes with one thought to jump start a revolution.

Well I was reading a documentary about the Annunaki (People from the heavens) from Sumerian folklore and they have depictions of the greys being nothing more than artificial biologically engineered lifeforms like Melfina in Outlaw Star (an anime from Japan) which were designed to do many of the tasks they were programed to do by their masters, the Annunaki.

In a word, "no". Scientific research does not begin with a belief, quite the opposite actually.
The scientific method is based upon evidence rather than belief.

Please read this and this as well.

Someone is forgetting what the hypotenuse is.

Hypotenuse?

I'm glad I was able to slide the tension away from being so seriously inclined. Now we can focus on being more pleasant towards one another.