When ever pepl hear Heavy Metal or death metal they think instantly devil music. Well i want to kno does music like that influence demons on you. Or does music not do this at all.

Demonic influence can come from a lot of other things. In the past music in general was thought to be a product of the devil. Because it was believed to make people dance and then eventually fornicate.

I personally do not believe in 'demons!' However, if they did 'exist' I really don't believe that people can become 'possessed' by the influence of music...any music. It might drive the next door neighbor crazy enough to hallucinate demons however....

People think this probably because of the overall dark imagery and often vulgar content present in heavy metal. Not only that but there are a lot of rock bands centered on devil worship. I'm not an easily moved person and I've heard a lot of vulgarity in my life, but there are some rock bands (ex: Insane Clown Posse) whose songs just make my skin crawl. As for demons, I've never seen one (then again I've never seen anything paranormal ) but, I've heard so many stories of exorcisms and what not that I wouldn't rule out there existence.

A lot of the rumors were inspired by Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin.
Like reverse speech, etc.
Supposedly "Sweet Satan" is heard in "Stairway to Heaven".

I find it more believable to pop music would be corrupting. Britney Spears is a stone's throw away from the Antichrist.

If you were to read Slayer's lyrics, for example, when they write about hell or Satan they never make it sound particularly pleasant. Satan retains a role as the bad guy and they paint hell as a place where you will suffer. I feel they have a lot in common with "fire-and-brimstone" preachers.

However, some fans may identify with this; thinking it is not them that will suffer in hell but any percieved enemies. Any "demons" afflicted on them were there long before they were exposed to the music.

I think most mature, freethinking fans of heavy metal can see the lyrical content for what it is. At best, it is a metaphor for the bleakest corners of human existance. At worst, it is mearly something cool to go over the heavy riffs and thundering drum beats.

That I would whole-heartedly agree with!


Music, like any art, is expression. I'm a writer by nature and by trade- sometimes the things I write about are disturbing, but it's catharsis for me; a way of self-cleansing. Why would anyone be "inspired" by it to do anything crazy? It's art.

Music shouldn't be blamed for misfortune (unless it's Michael Buble's). People are responsible for their actions. Demons are a whole other story.

Abso-freakin'-lutely

Somehow people have gotten away from the idea of personal responsability. It seems like a lot of people, at least here in the USA (my experience outside the US is limited), are faster to point the finger at some external societal contaminant or percieved limitation instead of realizing they are their own best agent for change and the source of most of their own problems.

However, I don't think people fornicate listening to Michael Buble. If anything, it is still a product of the devil.

I'm not sure about fornication; but i think there may be many instances of vomitting.

Thank you for your intelligent response Lauren "The Pimptress" O'Toole.


Tis true.

I think you are, to a great extent, right! When I suffered a personal tradegy a couple of years ago, music was one of the things that kept me from going under.

You know, some people rise to great heights...especially on er...lists!

Like a hit list? I didn't know you swung that way. However, I'm glad that music has helped you.

lol You are incorrigible!

At this time I would want to mention Robert Johnson. He was the first known blues musician to record his songs (1937's Me and The Devil Blues), and legend has it, he sold his soul to the devil at midnight in the crossroads to get famous. I think that this is the first case of the connection between modern music and the occult.
As far as classical music is concerned, check out Paganini (not sure on spelling). On numerous occasions, many people in the audience reported seeing the devil guide his hands on the violin, onstage. His music also supposedly put women into a sexual frenzy of sorts, and he spent his days traveling on tour, partying much like a modern rock star---all the while his legend of occult ties growing. When he finally died in 1840, the Catholic church refused to give him a burial in sacred ground, on basis of his rumored demonism...
Yelekiah mentioned Led Zeppelin, and rightly so---they had an extreme connection with the occult. A book was written about this called Hammer Of The Gods. I recommend anyone interested in music and spirituality to read this book, even if you aren't a Zeppelin fan (GOD FORBID! JK)
It discusses this topic in extreme detail.
As for death metal and it's ties to satanism---well it appears to be extremely superficial, juvenile, and image based (and sometimes outright comical). Bands such as Deicide, Morbid Angel, Slayer, Obituary, Dismember and other similar clones all share common lyrical themes concerning basic occult principles, about as deep or occult-philosophical/aware as the average rebellious teen, hence their market...
But if you like the sound of death metal and you are searching for something with a little less negative connotations as far as occult direction, then I recommend Behemoth---specifically their album Zos Kia Cultus.

And you're a pimptress. Guess we're even steven.

You know, call me dumb...but I'm not sure what you mean by that remark...

However, if it means what I think it means, I'm at a loss as to it's connection to my post. I can't believe that you would be so insulting intentionally....what am I missing?

That's not an insult
edit:
pimptress: A title usually given by a woman to herself in order for her to appear independent from men.
And you had music help you through a tradgedy. I respect that.
But to you, I'm, incorrigible. Interesting.

Oh, ok...well what the hell does it mean then? lol

I listen to whatever music that goes with my mood at the time. Death metal and gangsta rap are what I usually listen to when really pissed off. Music doesn't create any "demons" or whatever inside me...

I listen to heavy metal and in no way do I have the urge to start worshipping the devil. Nothing paranormal has ever really happened at my house and I've listened to that type of music for a while.

You know, slightly off topic, but connected to music and depression, I read in a thread tonight, two posts from different people who said that they didn't really have anything to live for...and were only so many thoughts away from suicide...

I, for one was really upset to read these, and didn't feel that they were getting the attention they needed. I know this is the time of year for suicides...what can one do?

I think a lot of it is just teenagers and kids wanting attention, with no real thoughts of suicide.

Stare at the sun. It helps to produce serotonin in the brain.

*snort* but doesn't "Home" make you want to fornicate?

You could be right, but teenagers do commit suicide...

Go and bake a cake or summat!








lol

Whaaat?
It's true. The light once reflected in the eyes produce chemicals in the brain. That's why people tend to get depressed when it rains or it is winter. No sun.

(leaves thread to bake cake)

Mmmmmm....cake *drools*

Ah!! Good grief...why couldn't you have explained earlier? I humbly appologise...

er...Yelekiah, no icing or marzipan please...

(tops 2 pounds of green icing on cake, embellishes it with marzipan rolls)
that's nasty actually.

Green! My favourite color...thank you Yelekiah..that should feed the birds over Christmas!

^Called herself a bird.

Popinjay!

^Poppinweirdo

But yea, Led Zeppellin's not Satanic.

Zeppelin kicks ass. Hell they can have the devil over for drinks every thursday night for all i care.

But seriously, a belief in Satan means a belief in God. I doubt most heavy metal bands are the religious types.

Yes, they are. Jimmy Page put loads of Aleister Crowley's satanic philosophies into their music. Its just that its hard to see, compared to all of the obvious showy satanism of today's media. It's all real subtle. Here's an example: go get Zeppelin III on vynil. Etched into the runoff matrix on the side is Crowley's main mantra of the To-Mega Thelemic Satanic Order :"Do what thou wilt". Jimmy also speaks of the band's satanic destiny in the song No Quater, albeit in a metaphorical sense. He talks all about that in Hammer of the Gods.
He named his own publishing and distrobution company after what critics refer to as probably the most important part of modern satanistic text, Crowley's book Swan Song.
Go back and read all of the lyrics to Presence and think of them in metaphorical means and you'll see what I mean.
Robert Plant even blames Jimmy for the death of his son Carac, due to his ties with the dark side. I'm serious, read this book before you decide---it will totally change the way that you look at their music.


I agree!

Satanic as in LaVeyan Satanism. Which Led Zeppelin were not.

Oh yeah and Jimmy even bought Crowley's house on Loch Ness. He used a painting of lucifer as the logo for swan song records: it was William Rimmer's Fall of Day. Jimmy currently lives in the Kensington House in England, a place he bought because of it's previous connection with the notorious Hellfire Club. But anyway, read the book. There will be a quiz

LaVeyan Satanism speaks of total independence and relying on the will of the individual instead of that of one who is a slave to God. It uses Satan as a metaphor for rebellion against the Judeo-Christian mindset, and darkness as a way of acheiving a self-reaslizationized power. Well, thats not really Satanism. Lavey even says that himself in the introduction to the Satanic Bible. He merely utilizes the power of dark symbolism to his advantage. So in that sense, Led Zep fit that criteria.
They also fit the criteria of Crowleyian satanism, which is basically esoteric sexual magic (sudh) mixed with european paganism.

Oh, and in the book Lucifer Rising, Lavey mentions Zeppelin as one of the most Satanic bands in history---because according to him, they embody the freedom of sexuality that his cult tries to promote. He also briefly mentions them in Lords of Chaos.

No, to be Satanic, (LaVeyan) you have to follow that philosophy of the Satanic Bible, which they did not.

Please elaborate. Because when I read the Satanic Bible, the main crux of the philosophy relies on a few main principles: self indulgence, "might is right", the nine satanic statements, and the metaphorical ritual section.
Here's my point:

Self indulgence: Shark incident. Nuff said!

Nine Statements:
1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
Song: The Lemon Song, For Your Life

2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
Song:The Rain Song

3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
Song:Nobody's Fault but Mine, Kashmir

4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
Song:That's the Way

5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
Song:Your Time is Gonna Come, Hats off to Roy Harper

6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
Song: Living Loving maid (Hahaha thats kind of a stretch but it fits)

7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
Song: Down by the Seaside (towards the end, when he speaks of the connection between man and nature)

8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
Song:Trampled Underfoot, and The Lemon Song again

9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!
Song: Nobody's Fault but Mine, the Ocean (just the second verse)

Might is Right: The Immigrant Song

The metaphorical ritual: Look at their stage show, and compare it to the ancient European sex-magic cults. Tantric convulsions, tribal Tympany drums, squeeling Theramin, and a fog machine all added together makes for one mystical experience

You're being really silly, Zoso, by trying to make them fit that mold. A lot of people are self-indulgent, etc. Does that make them Satanic? Not necessarily.
They were not Satanists according to the LaVeyan philosophy. End of story.

By adhereing to the core practices of a philosophy, you can be thought of in those terms. Just as we think of alcoholics in terms of Bacchus, we can relate the actions of the band to Laveyism. And I'm not being silly, I presented a lot of evidence which you failed to address (or even acknowledge), yet you think that saying "End of story" qualifies you a victory. The fact remains that Lavey himself calls them Satanic in Lords of Chaos and in Lucifer Rising (the book, not the film). So, is he wrong about his own religion, and who he says fits the criteria? I don't think so.

That hardly constitues as "evidence". I can make a Britney Spears song fit a Satanic mold.

LaVey did not write Lucifer Rising (Gavin Baddeley). He did not mean that they were adhering to the Satanic philosophy. Just adhreing to the Crowleyan. Big difference.

You say you're not being silly. Uh...yea, you are. To begin with, Satanism is *not* a religion. It's a philosophy. If anything, it's an anti-religion. If you didn't know that, we shouldn't really be discussing this. Just a thought.