I can well believe there are organisations out there that promulgate such dross as I quoted before... it IS utter rubbish though. Whilst I don't agree that change is always progress, I think a refusal to accept that the human race is changing and will continue to change is an even worse way of looking at things. The concept of race is a hazy one anyway - where exactly do we draw the line that divides the growth and establishment of alleged "races" from this supposed slide into genetic weakening?

the symbols come from ancient masonry tools and apparently have meaning to do with high moral standards.

Also as "above, so below", amongst other things. That's why I compared it to the Star of David. That's what it represents.

Also they beleive that the 'temple' is the inner self, and there is this temple symbolism also.

Ok, what in the world do the Freemasons have to do with a public international airport in the first place? If this is a public municipality paid for by the taxpayers, then why would anyone let a private fraternity "place" a capstone in a federally owned and operated public building? And just because they placed it doesn't mean they have to smear their logo feces and foreign tongue all over it as well as other parts of the airport such as the granite floors, etc. And what is the keypad thing supposed to represent?From http://www.geocities.com/Baja/5692/

So you're saying that nobody who voted as part of this commission had the sense to realize this bizarre coincidence and speak up about it?

A new world? Yeah right. I'm sure international travelers are just dying to fly halfway around the world to visit Denver, Colorado. I was under the impression that the world already was a globally inclusive place, especially with all the technology we've had for decades that have made the world smaller and smaller. Hell, I flew to London last year and saw more Starbucks and Burger Kings there than I ever have in my own city.

Yes, that's precisely the point many have made: The airport was built in a very high wind area which seems quite odd for airplanes. Not to mention, most engineers and pilots agree that a parallel runway system is the most efficient design (e.g. DFW International Airport). There was nothing wrong with the old Stapleton Airport (which btw was in a less windy area), or at least nothing that was worth spending $4.8 BILLION to build a new one out in the middle of nowhere (known as America's Most Inconvienient Airport) on a piece of property the size of New Jersey.

Yes, will you please read this website?: http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Denver_Airport.html

I read the website - it makes me both laugh and shake my head. There is so much conjecture on there, with no verified "facts", that it boggles the mind. Oh, yeah, and "Phil Schneider is dead by suicide and I know how he was murdered (the double knotted line around his neck, tied in back...), BUT I don't know what ever happened to him, I think he died." Huh? Make up my mind! Either he killed himself or he doesn't know... it can't be both!!

The "New World Airport Commission," was just an unfortunate choice... HOWEVER, the "New World Order" thing didn't hit the conspiracy theory sites until well after Bush I left office, and this commission was seated shortly after Bush ran for office - on the platform of the promise of a "New World", so they chose the name. Hardly surprising, but in retrospect, I am sure they are shaking their own heads...

The airport location was chosen because of the locals - standard NIMBY attitudes, and they didn't want a nasty, horrible, noisy airport near their downtown. Now, the airport owns a bunch of land that they can lease to commercial entities and make more money than they could have had they bought ten square miles and watched property values skyrocket around the 'port.

The keypad is easy. It stands above a time capsule, and it supposed to be opened in a future era, when, gosh, maybe they have keypads to open doors and the like. It is, what is the word? Oh, yeah... DECORATION. An attempt to put something neat on an item that is to be thought provoking and "futuristic" was made, and a bunch of folks that have way too much time on their hands have read too much into it.

How do cities attract new commerce? They have to use tag lines and advertising. Welcome to the "New World". "Nope, this ain't the same old Denver, it is NEW, and EXCITING, and the kind of place you want to set up business because of how NEW and EXCITING the place is. It is like a WHOLE NEW WORLD is opening up, and you had better be the first to get here or you will be left behind in the dark ages!" Advertising, pure and simple.

I was recently shown a known place that actually is some Mason hall or hq of somesort. Its this building, museium if you will that houses the earliest communication devices going back to morse code n whatnot. It was brought to my attention that theres numerous Mason symbols on the front of the building.

Yeah, that site is sad, but you didn't answer any questions about the mural.


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This may sit here for a while, so, I will start it off.
What do you see in this image?

Well, for starters, it is called "art." This alone can be the thing that confuses so many people...

Some art is clear and obvious. Other stuff needs big signs to decipher and describe. This one needs the sign.

The murals were a "quad-tych" that had four panels showing a montage of history and present-day life, and included some pretty horrific scenes like the one that is shown above. It depicts the evil of the Nazi regime and genocide during WWII, and even has the sword attempting to slay the "white doves of peace."

After reading the full description I gave on page three of this thread, and then looking at ALL four of the murals, you can see what the artist was trying to do. However, without the help of the description, the whole thing is crazy and confusing as hell.

I honestly don't believe there is anything really hidden or secretive in the murals - HOWEVER, now that two of the four have been painted over... I wonder. By the way - this one is not visible any more - it has been whitewashed over.

I guess too many people were asking questions about the meaning and too many people were "offended" by the reference to Naziism, so they took it out.

Next question? (boy has this gone off topic!)

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Are you kidding me?

You claim to be a freemason (of 8 years, is that right?) and you say stuff like this:




Now what do you see?

(Trust me, I know what this image shows, and the rest of the 3 other sections)




If that one is too "hard", we can look at this one.

Any freemason will know what is at the center of this section:

It's pretty visible to me. Just because it's not there at the airport does not mean it does not exist anymore. I am not a fool.

And the fact that our federal tax dollars comissioned this mural, only to be taken down makes me wonder even more. Federal dollars paid for this, and those same minds will question the reason behind the hidden religous images. Seperation of church and state?



I do not need a description that is wrong. And I really do not expect a true freemason to "step out" and answer my queries.

That is the description from the airport folks.

I was wondering what you thought of the murals. If your loyalty to the masons would come into question by giving your opinions on the mural, then I would understand your silence and claims that there is nothing hidden in the mural.

But, I promise you, I could paint a much different image than ^ quote from the folks at the airport.

My opinion?

The murals suck. They are too obtuse for the average viewer to understand and decipher, and are therefore not appropriate for use in such a VERY public place. The use of the obvious Nazi images is in extremely poor taste, if for no other reason than the fact that there are still many people alive that paid significant prices during the time of the Nazi power. The artist used so very much symbolism in the painting, that the message is lost to even astute viewers... a full time "describer" would have to be hired to be on-hand at all times to explain to confused viewers.

How's that?

Now, as to Masonic info and symbolism, sorry, but I still don't see anything in the inverted pic of the big soldier with the machine-gun and scimitar. Throw me a bone and point out what you are looking at. It may be obvious and I may be blind - but I just don't see anything there.

Regarding the pic with the central "flower of life", I have to say that other than being inclusive with all walks of life, I can't see anything Masonic in that one either. There is no "magical flower" or "flower of life" or anything else like that in anything Masonic I have researched. The guy above it looks like an American Indian or Central American chief or shamen with a head-dress - so he has a "hat" of sorts. The only parallel I can draw is that the only person in a US lodge that can wear a hat is the Master of the Lodge.

UNLESS, you are trying to say that the central man has a resemblance to Christ. If that is the case, all I can say is that you have a better imagination than mine... I think that the description offered by the airport guy that you quoted describes it rather well.

If the artist provided a description to the airport - and they relay that to us, how is the description wrong? Just because you want to see something else there doesn't mean that the artist is "wrong". Really, all it does is prove my point about the poor choice to use art like that in a public arena. For another example, please note the Free Stamp in Cleveland, Ohio. Seeing a 40 foot tall free stamp is not the epitome of "art" to many viewers (including myself!), but the description of the artists explains the use of the piece. It still looks stupid to me, though.

If you were a freemason, you would have no problem seeing what is "hidden" in any of these sections. No, I am not going to "throw you a bone", as it seems that is your only intention.

I'll hold.

The only thing that I see that might be questionable in that upside down print is that the dove is contorted to the shape of a swastika, but even that takes to straining to see...


Wiking

It's about the golden mean. The answers to life.

The Tree of Life.

Bringing LIGHT to something that has been locked up for a long time.

Soon. Very soon.

Here is your bone:



The Sephirothic System of Ten Divine Names:





Our federal goverment used our federal tax dollars to display religious symbols.

Again, I ask, seperation of church and state??

Trust me, that is the tip of what is going on in ALL four sections of the mural.

Here is another bone....don't choke on it though.

Ya better beware
Of retribution with mind war
20/20 visions and murals with metaphors

We don't need the key
We'll break in

I see the Tree of Life and Fibonacci. It's really eleven divine names btw. There is a hidden one called Daath (knowledge).

Your imagination is, indeed, greater than mine. Sorry, but all I saw was ill-rendered art.

There is NO mention of the "Tree of Life" in either the Blue Lodge (basic Freemasonry), nor in the York Rite (Chapter or Commandry). I highly doubt that it is mentioned in the Scottish Rite or the Shrine either.

The only place I have EVER heard it discussed as a "Masonic" symbol, is in the ravings of the Anti-Masonic.

The Sephirothic Tree is of ancient Qaabalic origin, and has obviously been co-opted by the artist to represent the "wishes of the children" to live in peace, after war has been forever ended. While the taste and utility of the art is subject to question, I hardly consider this to be any sort of huge conspiracy to inject religion into society.
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Are you trying to tell me that a SKEWED hexagon that is superimposed upon a swirl is supposed to represent the square and compasses? Please excuse me while I laugh my buns off at you. If, perhaps, the image was behind a TRUE hexagon (equal sides and angles), then I might begin to wonder, but what you have is a speculation based upon a supposition... which is no better than a simple guess or an accusation with no basis.

Edited to add: If you look at Fibonacci, he used a straight 0.1.1.3.3.5.8... series, and you are showing something that is NOT what he had interpreted.

And if I superimpose a twisted triangle over a picture of Charlie Brown, I can establish a link between Twinkies and tuberculosis. Please try a bit harder to stick to reality rather than just morbid fantasies of doom that aren't close to being accurate.

I will agree on one point: There is LOT of religious symbolism used in the murals. However, if you consider what the artist was portraying, it would be very hard to show it without the references. To say that it is "government sponsorship of religion" goes well beyond reading between ANY lines that may be there. Hey, the government plants trees - and Druids worship trees - does the government promote religion there as well?? Sorry, but it is the same thing.

No, the correct name is 'Ten'.

You mean the hidden emenation, shown in this image as yellow?:

Counting the purple and yellow they add up to 11.

Dude, I skipped over most of what you posted because of this, and the fact that I see numbers like gold.

The fibonacci numbers are used to create the golden mean which is 1.618, by taking any number and dividing it by the previous number, as so...


8/5 = 1.6

13/8 = 1.625

21/13 = 1.615

34/21 = 1.618

and so on...

The golden mean is the average of all those numbers that have ever been calculated....1.618.


The golden mean is in this image (again):




But, as a freemason, you knew that already, right? I have much more and I am willing to call, just say when...



Finally a ray of light...

Hold your light
Eleven lead me through each gentle
Step by step by
By inch by loaded memory

I would seem to me that you are referring to alchemy or the occult. Just an amateur's opinion...

I don't know much about Mason 'mumbo jumbo' or their 'artwork'. But have you ever seen a Mandala Sand Painting ? Now that's what I call art


check it out - ritualist art in it's PUREST form, in my opinion anyway...
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Many non-religious beliefs are often described as dogmata, for example in the fields of politics or philosophy, as well as within society itself. The term dogmatism carries the implication that people are upholding their beliefs in an unthinking and conformist fashion. Dogmata are thought to be anathema to science and scientific analysis although one could argue that the scientific method itself is a dogma for many scientists. In a similar way in philosophies such as rationalism and skepticism, although metaphysical considerations are normally not explicit in those fields, traditional religious dogmas tend to be rejected while unexamined presuppositions are sometimes unheld. In Wikipedia itself, the concept of NPOV can arguably be said to have attained the status of dogma.

HMMMMM

That was an excellent post. Bravo.

Indeed, scientists need to have the slightest bit of faith that their instruments are giving them the correct data.

And it's odd that you mention science in such a manner. Can you see something else in these pictures?



-Einstein

That has something to do with the mural, and everything. Very pure.

So you are saying: As Above, So Below.

Indeed. And also in the mind. Those doors just have to be unlocked from the inside, or broken down.

I know what you are talking about, on many levels.

No it's eleven, and this is included in Hebrew Numerology.
They take Daath into consideration.

'The Sephirothic System of Ten Divine Names' is just the proper name for the emanations, and yes there are eleven of them.

Funny how this Sephirothic System you're showing me doesn't have the sphere of knowledge in it. Hmmm...doesn't even talk about the pillars either.

They are implied...like Daath.

It's not implied in there. In fact, it's not there at all.
edit: Hard to read, but I see the two pillars.

The Tarot XIII, or Death, is also there, so, one must experience many deaths along the 64 paths.


EDIT: (XIII)

And Death correlates to rebirth. It is the card of Scorpio, which is also a phoenix. And as you may already know, a phoenix never really dies. Just arises from the ashes after it burns itself.

Yes, and also part of this mural:




This is not, however....

He is also in this one...

They're in practically every culture, the theme of rebirth. They are the last on the ladder of alchemical birds. As for the second pic, why is that?

2 things.


To show that the Quetzal shows up in two sections of the mural...one in the "box", the other "outside of the box". That is one metaphor.

The other reason:

In the Garden of Paradise, beneath the Tree of Knowledge, bloomed a rose bush. Here, in the first rose, a bird was born. His flight was like the flashing of light, his plumage was beauteous, and his song ravishing. But when Eve plucked the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, when she and Adam were driven from Paradise, there fell from the flaming sword of the cherub a spark into the nest of the bird, which blazed up forthwith. The bird perished in the flames; but from the red egg in the nest there fluttered aloft a new one—the one solitary Phoenix bird. The fable tells that he dwells in Arabia, and that every hundred years, he burns himself to death in his nest; but each time a new Phoenix, the only one in the world, rises up from the red egg.

The bird flutters round us, swift as light, beauteous in color, charming in song. When a mother sits by her infant’s cradle, he stands on the pillow, and, with his wings, forms a glory around the infant’s head. He flies through the chamber of content, and brings sunshine into it, and the violets on the humble table smell doubly sweet.

But the Phoenix is not the bird of Arabia alone. He wings his way in the glimmer of the Northern Lights over the plains of Lapland, and hops among the yellow flowers in the short Greenland summer. Beneath the copper mountains of Fablun, and England’s coal mines, he flies, in the shape of a dusty moth, over the hymnbook that rests on the knees of the pious miner. On a lotus leaf he floats down the sacred waters of the Ganges, and the eye of the Hindoo maid gleams bright when she beholds him.

The Phoenix bird, dost thou not know him? The Bird of Paradise, the holy swan of song! On the car of Thespis he sat in the guise of a chattering raven, and flapped his black wings, smeared with the lees of wine; over the sounding harp of Iceland swept the swan’s red beak; on Shakspeare’s shoulder he sat in the guise of Odin’s raven, and whispered in the poet’s ear “Immortality!” and at the minstrels’ feast he fluttered through the halls of the Wartburg.

The Phoenix bird, dost thou not know him? He sang to thee the Marseillaise, and thou kissedst the pen that fell from his wing; he came in the radiance of Paradise, and perchance thou didst turn away from him towards the sparrow who sat with tinsel on his wings.

The Bird of Paradise—renewed each century—born in flame, ending in flame! Thy picture, in a golden frame, hangs in the halls of the rich, but thou thyself often fliest around, lonely and disregarded, a myth—“The Phoenix of Arabia.”

In Paradise, when thou wert born in the first rose, beneath the Tree of Knowledge, thou receivedst a kiss, and thy right name was given thee—thy name, Poetry.

Hans Christian Anderson (1850)

Yes, the lotus is up there too.

I hate when she does that. But the poem speaks for itself. The lotus is Sahasrara. The crown chakra. Also the "first flower after the Flood".