Note that as of now I'm not stating what I think about the following. Only posting it to see the responses it gets as a personal study.



"Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom"(Matt. 24:7)
War has marred life on earth for thousands of years. International wars and wars within nations have been fought. But the beggining of 1914 the first world war was fought. This was not merely a conflic between two armies on the battlefield. For the first time, all the major powers were at war. Entire nations including civilian populations were mobilized to support the war effort. It is estimated that by the end of the war 93 percent of the population of the world was involved.
As fortold at Revelation 6:4, "peace was taken away from the earth." Thus the world has continued to be in a state of upheaval ever since 1914. World was II was fought from 1939 to 1945. According to retired Admiral Gene La Rocque, as of 1982 there had been another 270 wars since 1945. Upwards of 100 million persons have been slaughtered in warfare during this century. Also, according to the 1982 edition of World Military and Social Expenditures, tehre were in that year 100 million people engaged directly or indirectly in military activities.
Is more required in order to fulfill this aspect of prophecy? There are tens of thousands of nuclear weapons deployed for immediate use. Leading scientists have said that is the nations were to use even a fraction of their nuclear arsenals, civilization and possibly the entire human species would be destroyed. But that is not the outcome to wich bible prophecy points.

"There will be food shortages.... in one place after another"(Matt 24:7)
There have been many famines in human history. To what extent has the 20th century been afflicted by them? World war led to widespread starvation in Europe and Asia. Africa has been stricken by drought, resulting in extensive food shortages. Late in 1980 the food and Agriculture Organization estimated that 450 million people were hungry to the point of starvation, and up to a billion did not have enough to eat. Of these, some 40million a year actually die-in some years as many as 50million- because of the shortage of food.
Is anything different about these food shortages? Revelation 6:6 indicated that a small quantity of such staples as wheat or barley would be selling for day's wage(a denarius; see Matthew 20:3) but that supplies for such items as alive oil and wine used by people who are well-to-do would not be harmed. So apparently many would suffer shortage while others could still get what they wanted. This situation is no longer local, but global. In 1981 The New York Times reported: "The improvement in living standards and the growing demand for food around the world have put pressure on food prices, making it harder for the poorest countries to import their food needs." In many lands the production of food, even with the aid of modern science, has not been able to keep pace with the increase in total population. Modern food experts see no real solution to the problem.

"There will be great earthquakes"(Luke 21:11)
It is true that there were major quakes in centuries past; furthermore, with their sensitive equipment scientists now detect more than a million quakes a year. But no special instruments are needed for people to know when there is a great earthquake.
Has there actually been a significant number of major Earthquakes since 1914? With data obtained from the national Geophysical Data Center in Boulder, Coloradp, suplemented by a number of standard references works, a tabulation was made in 1984 that included only earthquakes that measured 7.5 or more on the Richter scale, or that resulted in destruction of five million dollars(U.S) or more in property, or that caused 100 or more deaths. It was calculated that there had been 856 of such earthquakes during the 2,000 years before 1914. The same tabulation showed that in just 69 years following 1914 there were 605 of such quakes. That means that, in comparison with the previous 2,000 years, the average per year has been 20 times as great since 1914.

"In one place after another pestilences"(Luke 21:11)
At the close of the first world war the spanish flu swept around the glove, claiming upwards of 20 million lives and at a rate unparalleled in the history of disease. Despite advances in medical science, a heavy toll is exacted every year by cancer, heart disease, numerous sexually transmitted diseases, multiple sclerosis, malaria, river blindness and Chagas' disease.





Increased lawlessness accompanied by a cooling off of love on the part of the greater number"(Matt 24:11,12)
A leading criminologist says: "The one thing that hits you in the eye when you look at crime on the world scale is a pervasive and persistent incease everywhere. Such exeptions as there are stand out in splendid isolation, may soon be swamped in the rising tide."(The Growth of Crime, New York, 1977, Sir Leon Radzinowicz and Joan King, pp. 4,5) The increase is real; it is not merely a matter of better reporting. It is true, past generations had crimials too, but never before has crime been as pervasive as it is now. Persons who are up in years know that from personal experience. You may hear them say "Hell, we use to be able to sleep with the windows opend and doors unlocked without fear".
The lawlessness referred to in the prophecy includes contempt for the known laws of God, placing of self instead of God at the center of one's life. As a result of this attitude, divorce rates are skyrocketing, sex outside of marriage and homosexuality are widley accepted, and tens of millions of abortions are performed every year. Such lawlessness is associated(In matthew 24:11,12) with the influence of false prophets, those who set aside God's word in favor of their own teachings. Heeding their philosophies instead of holding to the bible contributes toward a loveless world.(1 John 4:8). Read the description of it at 2 Timothy 3:1-5.






"Men become faint out of fear and rexpectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth"(Luke 21:25, 26)"
"The fact is that today the biggest single emotion wich dominates our lives is fear," said U.S News & World Report.(October 11, 1965, p.144) "Never before has manking been as fearful as at present," reported the German magazine. Horzu.-No. 25, June 20, 1980, p. 22.
Many factors contribute to this global atmosphere of fear: violent crime, unemployment, economic instability because so many nations are hopelessly in debt, worldwide pollution of the environment, lack of strong and loving family ties, and the overwhelming feeling that manking is in imminent danger of nuclear annihilation. Luke 21:25 mentions "signs in sun, moon, and stars, and roaring of the sears" in connection with the anguish felt by the nations. The rising of the sun often causes, not happy anticipation, but fear of what the day may bring; when the moon and the stars shine, fear of crime makes people stay behind locked doors. In the 20th century, but not before, planes and missiles have been used to send destruction of streaking down from the heavens. Submarines carrying deadly loads of missiles prowl the seas, just one such submarine being equipped to annihilate 160 cities. No wonder the nations are in anguish!






"Christ's true followers to be objects of hatred by all nations on account of his name"(Matt 24:9)"
This persecution is not because of political meddling but "on account of the name of Jesus Christ", because his followers adhere to him as Jehovah's Messianic King, because of their obeying Christ ahead of any earthly ruler, because of their loyally adhering to his Kingdom and not becoming involved in the affairs of human governments. As moder day history testifies, that has been the experience of many christians, especially Jehovah Witnessess around the Earth.

Hello everybody! I'm back after a while, since school was getting a little rough, along with football practice But now football's over, so I'll try to contribute more.

I haven't voted yet, because I'm not sure which one to vote for... I do believe that they're real, but not coming anytime soon, maybe in the next 20- 50 years sounds more reasonable than tomorrow

That what isn't coming anytime soon? The post is stating how those prophecies had already come true, lol.

I do find them interesting, I suppose its a way of sitting on the fence. I think that on one hand you can read something into anything to make them fit. But on the other hand some of them are so near to fact that they cannot be totaly discredited, as in some of Nostrodamus's quatraines.

Its a pretty poor answer to the question with no substance I know! but there again I am sitting on a pretty pointy fence.

The trouble I have with these so called " prophecies" is that how many of them come true because religious zealots feel the need to make some happen to prove that these " prophecies" are real and give credence to a book?
Seeiers of the future are debunked heavily as well as psychics and pretty much anyone with telekenitic abilities.
Yet, people believe in these so called " prophecies"
So free will...is free will lite to some.
whatever floats your bubble.

I said this on the Forum a long time ago-there is not one, single instance of a modern writer predicting anything in advance using revelation, nostradamous, or anything. Quote a single source that states, for example, "in 15 years blah blah blah will happen, in accordance with Matthew 4:15." It has never happened, because hindsight is 20-20. Predictions of something that has already happened are as useless as the Book of Revelations. the world will be here for millions of years to come, unless Man destroys it, there is a large meteorite, or aliens attack.

What if there is a prediction in text that predicts just that?

I dont know exactly what to believe in term of these "prophecies"...I believe the world might be in a natural dillema...We've stuffed the world up and natural disasters have escalated. I believe God can rid of the world when he wishes, but we will never know...or will we?

People have always been arguing that the world is about to end
In the middle ages there was nothing but wars and famine was wide spread through out the entire world, and you want to talk about disease? What about the Black Death? Yes there were tons of epidemics also...
And increased lawlessness? I can't say I know the crime rate during the middle ages but there was way, way more room for people to get away with crimes, especially if you were a part of the church, or had power...

The biggest emotion that dominates our lives is fear???
Not mine or anyone else I’ve met in real life.
Especially not when compared to the way life was in the past....
I mean what exactly am I suppose to be afraid of???
Or better yet what is anyone who believes this afraid of? Cause I don't get how this is worse now then it was in past times....
And finally this is the one I really don't agree with and any one who does has some serious reality problems....
Christ's true followers to be objects of hatred by all nations on account of his name
At what time has any christian been persecuted on this forum by another country not for political reasons but just because you were a christian? How and where is this happening today because I defiantly do not see it.... in fact most countries are run by christians and if anything in the uninted states they are beginning to persecute anyone not a christian...
I don't believe in any prophecies, but I do know that if someone wants to believe something enough they will distort their own views about reality enough to make it seem logical to them, and it is my honest opinion that if anyone believes that these prophecies have become more true then in the past, or that they have come true at all... then they must have a very distorted view of reality....

As stated above there were wars, but the 20th century had the first 2 WORLD WARS.

Zero you are just filtering your understanding of life through a fear construct, Christianity is about fear of course it will have many things about it to scare you into loyalty, Manapa did say that many live their lives this way and this is of course your choice, Maybe the queation could be why would you want to belief in mans constructs??? namaste Sheri

Who said I was scared?

Zero, Why are you a part of a fear construct if you aren't then???? I didn't say you in particular were scared i was stating that christainity is a fear based construct. It is what it is. Namste Sheri

Zero must you insist on making every thing personal?? Okay Zero I'll play why are you part of a fear construct if you aren't scared?? namaste Sheri

How did I make it personal?

Why am I a part of a fear construct? Well, it's not a fear construct in my opinion, so that's my answer.

Is this another end of the world thread?

As if there hasn't been enough of them here.

Is there anything better you guys can do besides voting "not even close". Like explain yourselves, lol. I'm interested in other's views but not many are giving any detailed information.

Perhaps our answers to the poll are an explanation in it's self!

In my personal opinion I would say that there is nothing amazing at all about things like this. It's no different then me telling you that sometime in the future it will rain, people will be hungry, there will be political wars and fights for ultimate power.....Now am I amazing or what

I do not really believe in these biblical prophecies. I think that they are "tools" used by religious fanatics to further their cause and to establish fear into their followers.

The world has been plagued by these incidents throughout history. It will continue beyond our lifetime.

Personally, I believe that these "end of times" promoters get a lot of attention because we are not too far removed from the year 2000. Wasn't the end or the return of Jesus supposed to happen after 2000 years ?? (Something to that effect.)

And people seem to pay more attention to the conditions of the world and relate it to some doomsday prophecy because we are able to receive news instantly. The world has always been a crazy and violent place. Centuries ago no one in Europe really knew of tragedies and uproars and such in Central America (for instance). Now we know what is happening around the world and the media chooses to feed us alot of negative information.

The world is crazy. The end will come some time, I'm sure. But to assume that the biblical prophecies are somehow fact and current times of trouble is proof, is not the immediate logical thing to assume.

well zero i posted my thoughts...
i voted you must be on crack...
and explained why... i would just like to mention even the catholic church now states that revelations and other prophecies are not to be taken as true just symbolic....
so not even the catholic church really believes this stuff any more..
that should say quite a bit in it self...

lol Bacca namaste Sheri

Zero's friend why isn't Zero answering for himself???Hmmm

I always liked the we will out smart ourselves theory of our demise.
You know the ones, we create smarter technology until the technology
takes over. It seems a fitting demise for us.

I believe that we will end with a bang, if not by our enemies then by
our own hand. We not all parish, there will be survivors and we
will rebuild but it will take time.

During the years it takes us to get back what we have lost maybe
we will gain something in return. Then the profits will be correct, we
will become a utopia but it will not be by God's hand. It will be by
mans realization that it didn’t work out the other way.

No, you are not really interested in what others think, are you?

That is just the excuse you are giving yourself for decrying others beliefs that don't mesh with your own.

I voted not eave close...

Though I could give my reasons... but we all know Zero's stance on science...

That and I *STILL* stand by "You get out of prophacies what you put into them."

I gave you the best detail I could babe.

Bull, whatever you say doesn't change the truth that I'm interested in others. Beleive what you will...



"good journey"


And you can only make a guess to what I think about science. I like science, bet you didn't think that! You don't know what I think. Are you a mind reader? Nah. Now, I bet you're going to get mad because you guessed wrong and you'll say I'm lying or whatever, but I don't care. =P

I don't dwell on the bad things people say about me if I know it's not true.

The the guy talking about rain.

It's not merley the fact that there have been wars, famines, earthquakes, and crime that is significant. Did you realize that the sign Jesus gave was a composite one? He did not say that any one event by itself would prove that we were in "the last days". But when the entire sign is in evidence, that is significant- and especially when it appears on a global scale and beginning with a year that is said to be fixed by bible chronology.


Oh, and since when do Catholics know it all and are the best religion? They even admit to beleive things not from the bible such as purgatory.

In the final analysis, the Catholic Doctrine on purgatory is based on tradition, NOT sacred scripture." 1967 Vol. XI, p.1034 The New Catholic Encyclopedia

Where is the "None of this is impressive" option? Nations will rise against nation-that has been happening for years. Food shortages, same thing. Earthquakes-how typical, etc., etc. Because of human and mother nature these things are bound to happen.

Zero's friend, is there some reason Zero isn't speaking for himself??? We do know Zero's opinions on many things and its nice for you to help him but he can handle himself , oh by the way why did the Catholics come up with purgatory??namaste Sheri

Why would I become angry? Your every post since your return has been filled with venom, anger, and disdain for all those who have replied to you in anything other than total agreement.

You seem to have become filled with 'righteous anger' and are determined to wage unholy war on all those who have a differnet viewpoint than your own.


good journey young man. may you find comfort in your god.

That speech almost rivaled the one in Pulp Fiction. I like it.

How easy people forget that we live in a connected world. That wars, famines, crimes, natural disasters and the like have been going on since... well.. since the beginning of everything in it's succession of being.

Since the earth formed... it's had earthquakes and volcanic eruptions... since an atmostphere was formed it's had bad weather moments... A cycle...

Since humans learned to settle down, form cities, religions, and such.. there have been wars and crimes.

All of this has been going on for eons and eons... And until maybe 30 or 40 years ago we weren't as connected to the reaches of the world as we are now. If an earthquake big enough to do some damaged happened in say... the middle of nowhere africa say 50 years ago... and a tsunami hit the indian ocean side of australia... We wouldn't have known about it till days.. weeks... later. And wouldn't have thought nothing of it.

Now a days... something bad happens... we know about it in a heartbeat. That's why it looks like it's increasing... True the hurricanes have been doing that.. but that's a cycle.. one that happened once before in a time when we didn't exactly have the technology to watch and study and record it all... Whoops, I guess that means that this is the only time it's happened? No. It's not... and it won't be the last.

How do we know all this? Rational science.. and not people jumping to the "IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!!" conclusion.

Good post Silver Namaste Sheri

Are you on......crack?

Zero, out of curiosity, do you believe that Jesus was prophecized in psalms?

I can barely afford my Starbucks addiction.

Who are you referring to?? namaste Sheri

I can understand why you feel that way. We were born into a world where these things are everyday news. But historians explain that there is something drastically different about the 20th-21st century.

"Looking back from the vantage point of the present we see clearly today that the outbreak of World War I ushered in a tewntieth-century "Time of troubles"- in the exoressuve term of british historian Arnold Toynbee-from wich our civilization has by no means yet emerged. Directly or indirectly all the convulsions of the last half century stem back to 1914." The fall of the Dynasties: The Collapse of the Old Order(New York 1963) Edmond Taylor, p.16.


I wish I could find the words to say what I want but as of now I'm at a lost of words and kinda busy. But hypothetically speaking, let's say I really did prophecies that these things would happen, of course no one would beleieve, because the easy way to rationalize this is to say "It's been happening", even though it has never been THIS bad. So, no matter what, even if true, a prophecy like this would always be looked at as wrong.


I'm not calling these prophecies true, I just don't see any convincing evidence to say it's 100% wrong.

People say I hate science, but I don't, there's only one thing I don't like mainly. Things such as if you have no evidence scientifially speaking IT DOES NOT EXIST. Not "it's not probable", just "it doesn't exist". So, if I saw my dog hump a stuffed animal and told a scientists but provided no evidence such as pictures, "it didn't happen!", but it actualy did. This in my opinion can in some cases retard a scientist or skeptic. It's a good thing to question things and it's not always good to beleive things without evidence, but it's pretty stupid in my opinion to say IT DOES NOT EXIST. Other than that, science is great.

Also please provide sources to explain how wars, and other things would a long time ago were just as bad or worse than they are today. It wasn't just as simple as a war that would prove the end was near, but the extent, these things are now world wide, and there was never any world wars untill recently. There was NO OTHER WORLD WARS aside from the 20th century.

He did not say that any one event by itself would prove that we're in the end times. But when the entire sign is in evidence, that is significant, and especially when it is world wide like today. Jesus gave a composite sign.

curtesy of one of our own forumites. Thanks Mako

Zero, I think you missed my Jesus question (about the psalms). People have always thought it was the end of the world throughout history. And the sad thing is, people always will.

If I am going to put my faith in anything I think it will be in Nostradamus
and acroding to him we still have an anti-crist and a 27 year war to go
before the big KABOOM!

Out of the country of Greater Arabia Shall be born a strong master of Mohammed,
He will enter Europe wearing a blue turban.
He will be the terror of mankind.
Never more horror.

this whole thread is a reminder of the story of chicken little.....

end of... stories are a very common element of the human condition. Humans like "endings", and these stories provide possible endings. The only real prophecy is the self-fulfilling prophecy.

Thou shalt not covet thy freinds ideas and call them his own bad zero Namaste Sheri

You're hilarious, sheri.

http://www.scotese.com/climate.htm on link..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/rocks/flash/indexfull.html something you might understand...

http://www.washington.edu/burkemuseum/geo_...rth%20v.2.0.htm

http://print.google.com/print?q=earth+geol...off&sa=N&tab=wp if you want books...

http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7x.html

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/paleo/ctl/cliihis100.html

http://print.google.com/print?q=earth+clim...off&sa=N&tab=wp more books if you want to.. you know.. actually study.

Hell half the informationa bout climate and geological changes comes from earth science classes... Wow.. parish that thought.. actually going to school and learning these things!

nope, the only thing different is the media.

Yele , good grief I was fond of the old I'm right you are all wrong zero the boy who argued that spanking is good for your kids, that science is unreliable as any sort of proof system come on , i know my little buddy Zero and this guy isn't it. Namaste Sheri

No, I really thought it was funny. Nothing wrong with being fond of it. I was too.

I think I just said that.. XD *bites GM* MUHAHA!!