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Indeed so.
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I tire of those who are flippant with the truth that is destroying humanity...Those who cajole, are to be feared, for they seek to destroy those who are potentially deep in intellect.
Being the deep thinker you are, I fail to see the need to explain the reasons and causes of flippancy.
Your message isn't meant for everyone.
Post it and accept both positive and negative.
I have no pedistal in which to place you.
In my world, all are equal.
Blessings
(from a mighty ditch digger)
In his book, The Seat of the Soul, Gary Zukav saw how humanity nullifies its potential positive power by playing upon the dynamics of the split between love and fear. He states as follows:
“The human emotional system can be broken down into roughly two elements: fear and love. Love is of the soul. Fear is of the personality. The illusion of each personality is generated by and sustained by the emotions that follow fear, such as anger, rage, vengefulness, hatred, jealousy or envy, loneliness spite, sorrow, despair, grief, regret, greed, lust, arrogance, alienation, self-pity, lethargy, guilt, resentment, and feelings of inferiority and superiority. Emotions such as these lead to corresponding behaviors, such as selfishness -- toward people and animals and the Earth and the kingdoms of the Earth--and using others in the many ways that humans use one another... commercial, sexually, emotionally...and lying, manipulation, violence, brutality, impatience, ridicule, and judgment."
Zukav, also wrote The Dancing Wu Li Masters, a book that has made many seekers of knowledge start the pathway to a higher playing field of awareness. Why is the philosophy and tradition of the above not a part of our public educational offering. All knowledge should be in the offing for the sake of an advanced civilization...religion included. We should have the freedom to teach, especially the above because it is indeed what brought us to this point in history.
Freud verses Jung brings us to a study of positive and negative results of being. Is selfishness positive or negative?
Narcissistic theorist and their findings are usually targeted to your “rights” and your feelings about existence within our national experience of liberty. Notice the word “your.” Most of the psychology used to back up the politically correct (P C) strategy utilized most by the liberally-oriented factions of our democracy are based on “Freudian” Psychology. (Sigmund Freud, 1856-1939, was the founder of Psychoanalytic movement). Freud’s influence via his theories of neuroses and leveraging via sexuality (normal and abnormal) gradually gained favor among the politically minded and intellectual elite because of its power to mentally manipulate and interface with the human psyche. His works, such as Civilization and its Discontents, (1930) had immense impact on the modern strategy of social engineering via politically correct propaganda.
Freud’s audacity of leveraging sex into the open gave extroverts just the tools they needed for their social reinforcement. Now his socially accepted theory seems to reinforce the self-aspects rather than living with society through Love (though they have attempted to destroy the meaning of that word too).
Freud’s theories break down the linkage between the “me”(self) and the “object” (other - all of life outside, the “me”) perception of being. With today’s emphasis on me-ism, self-esteem, self-realization self-actualization and the emotional/feeling paradigm that is currently a topic of conversation, our nation faces the prospects of total division through narcissistic elitism. Now lawyers are aligning with the psychoanalytic movement and making new laws as they collude their way into higher and higher government positions.
With every person out for themselves, what hope is there for a nation of people to face financial hardship and emotional challenge by accepting responsibility for their government, themselves and their families? Without social character and morals, a nation dies. In view of the programming we are getting on the propaganda machine (the national media elite), is it any wonder why gangs, crime, drugs, graft, divorce, child abuse, and on and on...is it any wonder, why our national character needs a new point-of-view?
Danah Zohar, in her book The Quantum Self, reflects on the power of narcissism as built upon by Freudian Psychology and how it can destroy human psyche if inculcated into a reason for behavior. This foray into liberal thinking (victimization) seems to sidetrack a being’s positive pathway toward human development. She suggests that the liberalism which saw its amplification in the 1960s was and is a result of the Freudian instruction and theory of being, found so prevalent at most major universities then and now.
Zohar states that: “The consequent selfishness, shallowness, alienation, and downright unhappiness of all these cosseted individuals (1960s self-awareness movement) are familiar concerns to many of us in our daily lines. The sad irony here is that in a culture that lays so much stress on the individual, his own sense of personal worth and power is so diminished. As many psychologists have noted, narcissism is more about self-hatred than self-love, and is commonly associated with feelings of emptiness, worthlessness, personal disintegration, and pent-up rage. These symptoms are the source of a great deal of social tension and personal pain, and have generated a whole popular literature that includes books like Lasch’s THE CULTUURE OF NARCISSISM and more recently, Allan Bloom’s THE CLOSING OF THE AMERICAN MIND. Both describe in graphic detail the side effects of too much emphasis on what I would call the particle (as opposed to wave - physics) side of our being.”
Zohar’s words then take us into a direction that humanity could have embraced rather than the Freudian way, with the theories of Freud’s colleague, Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961). The great Swiss psychiatrist’s works seem to not only comprehend Freud’s theories but also go beyond and then back to the ancient traditions as well. Jung’s works in analytic psychology included the total being and his/her relationship to the universe. His studies of consciousness and spirituality reminds me of the work of the ancient Bodhisattva (he, who has attained the All), the Buddha-Gautama. In the same vein, his work also parallels the fresh new ideas of today’s modern physicists. Jung even predicted that nuclear physics and consciousness would someday merge in a kind of transcendental discipline not unlike Danah Zohar’s more recent theories of the quantum self. Jung, and later Zohar, saw the relationships between psyche and its influence on matter—“for how otherwise could it (mind) move (leverage) matter?”
Is Quantum Psychology – A Coherent Theory of Being? Danah Zohar, F. David Peat, -- plus many other awakening scientists of the present reality are perhaps on to discovering the crux of human existence by focusing on the “light” of quantum mechanical processes. Zohar’s model of existence in the human consciousness is that the brain has two interacting systems. Coherency (synchronized jiggling of cell molecules) is accomplished with the Bose-Einstein condensate, which she associates with achieving levels of consciousness via the communication linkage of biophoton activity. The second is a computer-like linkage to the individual neurons of the brain. It is a quantum mechanical model. She believes that this dual system acts as one unit giving us our view on reality without the need of a supernatural realm for science to have to address. Perhaps she is on to at least how we interface with the laws of nature or the consequence of God’s Being.
Peat, a physicist/philosopher, has written extensively on “be-ness” in this reality we call life. In his book, The Philosopher’s Stone, (1991), he plunges as deep as Zohar, Bohm, and others into the development of verbal and mathematical tools that interface with the Laws of Nature. He reinforces the interconnectedness of the universe via mind and matter and like the ancients, retells how the very atoms (pixels?) that constitute manifest existence, communicate via photons (radiation) in a conscious-like flux of movement. He too, sees the power of the eastern philosophies as they play off of western physics. Peat also believes, as does the traditions of the ancients, that chaos is but unperceived order. Perhaps his most interesting observations are stated below. They seem to reinforce the old concept of Karma or the Laws of Consequence for human participants.
Read: Since the mind and body are deeply linked together, such a new wholeness will also spread to the body. Holistic meaning can therefore link people at all levels, from the mental to the physical and between a person and nature. Actions, conversation, decisions, and dreams emerge out of this resonance. And clearly, synchronicity would be one manifestation of this new type of activity.
We can also envision such outflowing of meaning at the cellular level (DNA). Within such a dialogue is also the possibility that molecular transformation can become the appropriate response to an overall change in meaning within the environment.
But disharmonious situations also exist in which the activity of a system is at odds with its surrounding environment. For example, conflict and division experienced by an individual can give rise to a very subtle form of damage to the brain. Just as subtle structures in the brain can respond to the ever-changing field of meaning in which they are embedded, so, too, a person whose levels of meaning are incoherent and confused will develop a brain that becomes increasingly insensitive. When mind and body are no longer in harmony, confused meanings enter the body and cause illness and disease. The result is a muted response to life and even bizarre, destructive and violent behavior.
F. David Peat’s assumptions are corroborated by the ancient traditions, and contemporary research. Humans leverage their lives via deep seated causation that we must become aware of in order to better understand our reason for being. It appears that all this is wrapped up in a picture that we are just standing too close to, in an attempt to see the whole.
Leveraging and Collusion or Gestalt Love and Topsight -- these are all words designed to understand how we exist in positive or negative modality when in a physical state. The cursor of our very being rides the light of our decisions searching for a plus or minus verdict on each and every event sequence that confronts our soulular travel. So, how can we get a grasp of this existence built upon leveraging time and opportunity as it confronts the crest wave of phased space/time? What determines Good and Evil outcomes?
“The human emotional system can be broken down into roughly two elements: fear and love. Love is of the soul. Fear is of the personality. The illusion of each personality is generated by and sustained by the emotions that follow fear, such as anger, rage, vengefulness, hatred, jealousy or envy, loneliness spite, sorrow, despair, grief, regret, greed, lust, arrogance, alienation, self-pity, lethargy, guilt, resentment, and feelings of inferiority and superiority. Emotions such as these lead to corresponding behaviors, such as selfishness -- toward people and animals and the Earth and the kingdoms of the Earth--and using others in the many ways that humans use one another... commercial, sexually, emotionally...and lying, manipulation, violence, brutality, impatience, ridicule, and judgment."
Zukav, also wrote The Dancing Wu Li Masters, a book that has made many seekers of knowledge start the pathway to a higher playing field of awareness. Why is the philosophy and tradition of the above not a part of our public educational offering. All knowledge should be in the offing for the sake of an advanced civilization...religion included. We should have the freedom to teach, especially the above because it is indeed what brought us to this point in history.
Freud verses Jung brings us to a study of positive and negative results of being. Is selfishness positive or negative?
Narcissistic theorist and their findings are usually targeted to your “rights” and your feelings about existence within our national experience of liberty. Notice the word “your.” Most of the psychology used to back up the politically correct (P C) strategy utilized most by the liberally-oriented factions of our democracy are based on “Freudian” Psychology. (Sigmund Freud, 1856-1939, was the founder of Psychoanalytic movement). Freud’s influence via his theories of neuroses and leveraging via sexuality (normal and abnormal) gradually gained favor among the politically minded and intellectual elite because of its power to mentally manipulate and interface with the human psyche. His works, such as Civilization and its Discontents, (1930) had immense impact on the modern strategy of social engineering via politically correct propaganda.
Freud’s audacity of leveraging sex into the open gave extroverts just the tools they needed for their social reinforcement. Now his socially accepted theory seems to reinforce the self-aspects rather than living with society through Love (though they have attempted to destroy the meaning of that word too).
Freud’s theories break down the linkage between the “me”(self) and the “object” (other - all of life outside, the “me”) perception of being. With today’s emphasis on me-ism, self-esteem, self-realization self-actualization and the emotional/feeling paradigm that is currently a topic of conversation, our nation faces the prospects of total division through narcissistic elitism. Now lawyers are aligning with the psychoanalytic movement and making new laws as they collude their way into higher and higher government positions.
With every person out for themselves, what hope is there for a nation of people to face financial hardship and emotional challenge by accepting responsibility for their government, themselves and their families? Without social character and morals, a nation dies. In view of the programming we are getting on the propaganda machine (the national media elite), is it any wonder why gangs, crime, drugs, graft, divorce, child abuse, and on and on...is it any wonder, why our national character needs a new point-of-view?
Danah Zohar, in her book The Quantum Self, reflects on the power of narcissism as built upon by Freudian Psychology and how it can destroy human psyche if inculcated into a reason for behavior. This foray into liberal thinking (victimization) seems to sidetrack a being’s positive pathway toward human development. She suggests that the liberalism which saw its amplification in the 1960s was and is a result of the Freudian instruction and theory of being, found so prevalent at most major universities then and now.
Zohar states that: “The consequent selfishness, shallowness, alienation, and downright unhappiness of all these cosseted individuals (1960s self-awareness movement) are familiar concerns to many of us in our daily lines. The sad irony here is that in a culture that lays so much stress on the individual, his own sense of personal worth and power is so diminished. As many psychologists have noted, narcissism is more about self-hatred than self-love, and is commonly associated with feelings of emptiness, worthlessness, personal disintegration, and pent-up rage. These symptoms are the source of a great deal of social tension and personal pain, and have generated a whole popular literature that includes books like Lasch’s THE CULTUURE OF NARCISSISM and more recently, Allan Bloom’s THE CLOSING OF THE AMERICAN MIND. Both describe in graphic detail the side effects of too much emphasis on what I would call the particle (as opposed to wave - physics) side of our being.”
Zohar’s words then take us into a direction that humanity could have embraced rather than the Freudian way, with the theories of Freud’s colleague, Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961). The great Swiss psychiatrist’s works seem to not only comprehend Freud’s theories but also go beyond and then back to the ancient traditions as well. Jung’s works in analytic psychology included the total being and his/her relationship to the universe. His studies of consciousness and spirituality reminds me of the work of the ancient Bodhisattva (he, who has attained the All), the Buddha-Gautama. In the same vein, his work also parallels the fresh new ideas of today’s modern physicists. Jung even predicted that nuclear physics and consciousness would someday merge in a kind of transcendental discipline not unlike Danah Zohar’s more recent theories of the quantum self. Jung, and later Zohar, saw the relationships between psyche and its influence on matter—“for how otherwise could it (mind) move (leverage) matter?”
Is Quantum Psychology – A Coherent Theory of Being? Danah Zohar, F. David Peat, -- plus many other awakening scientists of the present reality are perhaps on to discovering the crux of human existence by focusing on the “light” of quantum mechanical processes. Zohar’s model of existence in the human consciousness is that the brain has two interacting systems. Coherency (synchronized jiggling of cell molecules) is accomplished with the Bose-Einstein condensate, which she associates with achieving levels of consciousness via the communication linkage of biophoton activity. The second is a computer-like linkage to the individual neurons of the brain. It is a quantum mechanical model. She believes that this dual system acts as one unit giving us our view on reality without the need of a supernatural realm for science to have to address. Perhaps she is on to at least how we interface with the laws of nature or the consequence of God’s Being.
Peat, a physicist/philosopher, has written extensively on “be-ness” in this reality we call life. In his book, The Philosopher’s Stone, (1991), he plunges as deep as Zohar, Bohm, and others into the development of verbal and mathematical tools that interface with the Laws of Nature. He reinforces the interconnectedness of the universe via mind and matter and like the ancients, retells how the very atoms (pixels?) that constitute manifest existence, communicate via photons (radiation) in a conscious-like flux of movement. He too, sees the power of the eastern philosophies as they play off of western physics. Peat also believes, as does the traditions of the ancients, that chaos is but unperceived order. Perhaps his most interesting observations are stated below. They seem to reinforce the old concept of Karma or the Laws of Consequence for human participants.
Read: Since the mind and body are deeply linked together, such a new wholeness will also spread to the body. Holistic meaning can therefore link people at all levels, from the mental to the physical and between a person and nature. Actions, conversation, decisions, and dreams emerge out of this resonance. And clearly, synchronicity would be one manifestation of this new type of activity.
We can also envision such outflowing of meaning at the cellular level (DNA). Within such a dialogue is also the possibility that molecular transformation can become the appropriate response to an overall change in meaning within the environment.
But disharmonious situations also exist in which the activity of a system is at odds with its surrounding environment. For example, conflict and division experienced by an individual can give rise to a very subtle form of damage to the brain. Just as subtle structures in the brain can respond to the ever-changing field of meaning in which they are embedded, so, too, a person whose levels of meaning are incoherent and confused will develop a brain that becomes increasingly insensitive. When mind and body are no longer in harmony, confused meanings enter the body and cause illness and disease. The result is a muted response to life and even bizarre, destructive and violent behavior.
F. David Peat’s assumptions are corroborated by the ancient traditions, and contemporary research. Humans leverage their lives via deep seated causation that we must become aware of in order to better understand our reason for being. It appears that all this is wrapped up in a picture that we are just standing too close to, in an attempt to see the whole.
Leveraging and Collusion or Gestalt Love and Topsight -- these are all words designed to understand how we exist in positive or negative modality when in a physical state. The cursor of our very being rides the light of our decisions searching for a plus or minus verdict on each and every event sequence that confronts our soulular travel. So, how can we get a grasp of this existence built upon leveraging time and opportunity as it confronts the crest wave of phased space/time? What determines Good and Evil outcomes?
im sorry but i disagree, i beleive much of what you meantion, love, hate, good and evil dont actually exist, its just aspects of our ego. It isnt anything to do with understanding your enviroment, any intelligent person can. Its all about getting rid of your ego. And narcacism isnt necesarily a bad thing, its produced some of the finest peices of art in the history of mankind, its what your ego does with it, thats a bad thing.
now i dont mean this badly, but cant you say things in your own without name droping all the time?, cuase really, Freud was a paranoid cynic who fed his family cocaine for breakfast.
now i dont mean this badly, but cant you say things in your own without name droping all the time?, cuase really, Freud was a paranoid cynic who fed his family cocaine for breakfast.
EDIT
The New York Times' Deborah Soloman interviewed Peter Watson, author of "Ideas: A History of Thought and Invention, from Fire to Freud"
"What is the single worst idea in history" she asked him.
"Without question, ethical monotheism" he replied
"The idea of one true God. The idea that our life and ethical conduct on earth determins how we will go into the next world.
This idea has been responsible for most of the wars and bigotry in history" he goes on to state.
Peresonally I think history's most terrible idea is the theory that some groups of people are smarter and better and deserve more rights than others.
Orion---Which ideas do you consider bad one, both those on a global scale and those that at one tiome have infected your own belief system?
The New York Times' Deborah Soloman interviewed Peter Watson, author of "Ideas: A History of Thought and Invention, from Fire to Freud"
"What is the single worst idea in history" she asked him.
"Without question, ethical monotheism" he replied
"The idea of one true God. The idea that our life and ethical conduct on earth determins how we will go into the next world.
This idea has been responsible for most of the wars and bigotry in history" he goes on to state.
Peresonally I think history's most terrible idea is the theory that some groups of people are smarter and better and deserve more rights than others.
Orion---Which ideas do you consider bad one, both those on a global scale and those that at one tiome have infected your own belief system?
My search for meaning has gone in all directions including much of the last two posts from PLO and yours. I understand the Liberal dogma that you seem to buy into as I have in the past. I tried to believe that none of my current research impacted me. I was following the crowd that wanted total freedom so we could feel good about our belief systems and that our way of manipulating people was ok. I need to defray my guilt for the things I did to others for that selfishness. I was wrong then, as meditation and life experiences proved me so. God spoke out to me in no uncertain terms and I listened.
What PLO is using is called "Informal Fallacy" to say his or her way is just fine. One has but to look at the message of their own body and mind offers as communication and one knows they are wrong following the Liberal mantra. There is selfishness and there is, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.?
Then there is the ancient Vedic traditions...Not that one is, but that whereby Is, is.
I have some great art that I did, and some of it hangs in other folk's garages.
By the by, I know why some of the above art that you reference is deemed good...It is the game Liberals play to use other people for their own self-gratification.
What PLO is using is called "Informal Fallacy" to say his or her way is just fine. One has but to look at the message of their own body and mind offers as communication and one knows they are wrong following the Liberal mantra. There is selfishness and there is, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.?
Then there is the ancient Vedic traditions...Not that one is, but that whereby Is, is.
I have some great art that I did, and some of it hangs in other folk's garages.
By the by, I know why some of the above art that you reference is deemed good...It is the game Liberals play to use other people for their own self-gratification.
Liberals. If you could, could you clarify this up for me, it seems that in america to refer to people as liberals its almost used insultingly and condescendingly, i may be wrong but thats the general vibe i get, mostly from Republicans. In my country we have no such popular classification, we call people liberal minded. as in they are open minded, we use the term liberal with good a connatation, not something to fear or degrade.
"What PLO is using is called "Informal Fallacy" to say his or her way is just fine"
now, im pretty sure nothing of what i said was actually a fallacy, and indeed certainly not informal. However my way is most fine, as it serves me well and the people i know. I know what i know, and that is fine enough for me, people do not need to be told if they are seemingly content, if you begin with unrest in forcing things on people that would be a deraliction of your duty as a person.
As for art i do not understand how one can self gratify oneself with anothers work?, i actually can, but i cannot and never will, such an idea would, seem odd. Michelangelo's David is surely that which is that. For no other reason then?, despite its obvious narcistic nature.
"What PLO is using is called "Informal Fallacy" to say his or her way is just fine"
now, im pretty sure nothing of what i said was actually a fallacy, and indeed certainly not informal. However my way is most fine, as it serves me well and the people i know. I know what i know, and that is fine enough for me, people do not need to be told if they are seemingly content, if you begin with unrest in forcing things on people that would be a deraliction of your duty as a person.
As for art i do not understand how one can self gratify oneself with anothers work?, i actually can, but i cannot and never will, such an idea would, seem odd. Michelangelo's David is surely that which is that. For no other reason then?, despite its obvious narcistic nature.
If you are not American the post does not apply. Go in your own culture. It (meaning or context here) is a moot point. It has been many eons since I was in your shoes and I cannot go there again. Remember the old saying..."You had to be there." My suggestion to you is to seek your most ancient being...it is deep inside you...also remember, we are all here to learn. Seek and you will find. I am not of the present conflict in human nature...I am here to amplify our knowledge of Is. Not that one is, but that whereby...Is, is. Humanity got here by one source...and only one truth. That truth is different to each mentality and each mentality should be honored not destroyed...Love is more powerful than hate and less destructive. A point of strength is to know yourself...all of what makes you what you are...
Our test is to realize that we are all one with the Other. Without the other, we would not even exist. The Other gives us feedback on who and what we are. If this does not meet with your being...then go in peace.
Our test is to realize that we are all one with the Other. Without the other, we would not even exist. The Other gives us feedback on who and what we are. If this does not meet with your being...then go in peace.
Point-of-Departure…The BURGEONING!
In the fifth century, Saint Augustine indicated that God created the universe out of and outside of time. Timelessness is an interesting subject to think on scientifically as well as spiritually. Ask a scientist the ultimate why, and he will say we came from no thing. Then ask him to explain what no thing is -- It will probably look about like the clothes that the emperor was wearing, the day the little boy decided to think for himself and find deeper meaning in the apparentness found inside the soul. Half of science is an assumption (educated guess) -- the other half manifests in a fabricated illusion built upon known parts with no relationship to the totality. Science is done while we preoccupy ourselves with "their" reality. Humanity must return to waiting for the one who whispers to our deepest consciousness...the truths of being. Einstein called this mental-abyss, the little "Old Man" inside of us. He may point to the Burgeoning of Humanity.
It was once said that the face of God is a fraction past, and inclusive of the optical nerve and what drives it. Godhood is not necessarily conceptual, it (the Absolute) is being and becoming and only the created (crystallized) can be thought upon as it issues forth from the generative order or the Void that we do not presently understand. The Absolute is ongoing, nonlinear, non-local (to our perception), self-similar, self-organizing, and creative. Whatever else it is cannot be known by one mind (a part or child of...), total perception can only be known by totality. The part can never know the whole while it is the part. It must join the whole for total knowing. It is believed that Buddha did this and Christ was always this. The "Me" must embrace (love, know, join or be aware of) the Other, because the Other is the Me (the all-self). We are in this together. The joining becomes the Essence.
Einstein offered many clues to the real secret to knowing our existence. It has been reported that he somehow believed deeply in mystical possibilities, knowing that a balance of science and spiritual concepts held the secrets of true knowing. These double icons of wisdom, working in unison, would in the end put mankind on a new threshold of understanding. Each point of departure would really reinforce and compliment the other when humanity finally adopted the right path of perceptive ascension. Einstein's quest was to attain the gestalt-view and his life showed that one without the other was lame. Yet our scientific and religious society continues to polarize the great avenues of wisdom to fragment humanity into fruitless pursuits through ambitious leveraging for power. Polarization may be the ultimate evil.
The Universe and Manifest Mind -- A theory
There exists in the realm of experiences much more than the big bang as a source for the universe's beginnings and our subsequent introduction into being. Consider the concepts of holography, feedback loops, fractals, the broadcast of the electromagnetic spectrum, quantum theory (local and nonlocality), and many other subjects of creative delineation through scientific or deific manifestation. The fact remains that "mind" is present in this continuum. Where does it come from and how does it manifest?
Let us consider a new concept...Virtual Reality. It is a human endeavor to participate in a computer-created world via extra-electro-sensors such as viewing goggles, gloves or a total sensor-suit. Those who immerse into this newly created world can experience perceptual stimuli that approach the visual and tactile expressions of reality. The Department of Defense and NASA have plans to converge robotics with VR to allow a cybernaut to travel, work, and fight in hostile environs while controlled by a human at a remote site. With such capabilities, we would be able to explore the universe from our own living rooms --thereby experiencing vicariously the stimuli of pain, suffering and learning via feedback information from afar.
A Scenario
Imagine putting on a head-mounted display and body-sensor suit that would correspond to sensors in a robot that might be millions of miles away -- say on Mars. You could actually become part of a cyber-being that would interact with the Martian environment. Turn your head and it reacts to your every movement, and sensual stimuli from the planet causes you to react via feedback. You would be able to experience all the wonders of such a far away place in a direct sensory manner. One wonders, would living through this vehicle eventually displace your understanding of true reality? What if you could programme its memory with yours through DNA programming, then allow someone else on another shift to pick up and continue with his experiments and adds his programmes or thoughts to the same robot? Each day the robot would become more sophisticated as its experiences multiplied. Later we could add new advances in micro-machines and nanotechnology to create an evolving robot that would actually grow physically toward higher accomplishments. It could be programmed to repair itself and perhaps even give a cyber-birth to new cyber-forms that would assist you in your exploration. With new additions being developed back on Earth you could even get the feeling that you were on that planet instead of your robotic vehicle. You might get so good at controlling more than one robot at a time that you would become a family or a nation of robots letting you experience the grandeur of multiple personalities. What fun!
Discovering the Mystery
Intertwined in this "fun" experience is the length, width, breadth and timelessness of the greatest mystery of the universe. If we can attain the above experience via VR in this rudimentary human invention, who is to say that this is not what is already happening to Godhead at this very instance. We were created in his image. Who can refute that we are all an experiment of a higher being that is currently enjoying a broadcasted reality via quantum particles that are electromagnetically constituted into this reality that we "think" we are experiencing right now. Hindu, the oldest religion on Earth, speaks of the One with no second, who lives through all of us in his "playing." Is God playing life through us and we just forgot that we are part of another realm where experiencing a VR is the preoccupation of timelessness?
Think of your own becoming. When you were conceived, you and your DNA program came into a body that was new and hard to maneuver in a physical state. God's VR has a learning curve. You had to get familiar with the new apparatus. REASON or mind began to learn to use the Holy Temple. When a baby first arrives on Earth he/she is mentally more a part of everything or what some call the Other or the Essence. Some say we are actually smarter at birth and just learn to be somatically stupid. During the first few months, ego has not yet made its stand against the universe. The ego-image has not yet formed until it begins to observe itself in the eye of the other. Mirroring sets the self in a reality that is shown or received via sensors. Sensory experiences create the other for the individual. Soon you will learn to forget where you came from because of the dictates of this state. Learning to live in this physical world is our crux of being...to become. We learn to stand upon our experiences as a cushion from the void (a place we only know of in another state). The void represents the unknown or feeling of loneliness and awe. We feel very small against our lack of knowing. It has been posited that if we are not observed by the other, we begin to feel lonely as if we do not exist. Recognition and observation is basic to (quantum) being for all that makes up the universe. Worthiness began to set the stage for worship when mankind sought to remember his being in this physical state. Religion was once the science of that being.
Do all of our religious writings suggest that at the core of those impassioned words lies the secret and the truth of our reality? Yes. Religious traditions say that God gave us being and the Word -- REASON. Reason or mentality is our existence within the somatic-vehicular experience. Our bodies are our holy temples or means of motivation in a physical state. We should not do harm to our Holy Temples. Another point of Reason is that we should love our neighbors as we love ourselves. This may be because we are our neighbors as a result of their input to our being. It is possible that at the end of this God projected VR, we'll learn that we did all those dirty deeds to ourselves. The above may be the Why of religion...a method to awaken to the real being involved in this life episode.
Today almost all members of our scientific community are gradually coming to realize that reality is indeed beyond our current theories and some have suggested that our environ is a God-like concept...the god of Mental Universal technology on an unbelievable scale...the quantum entity. Some say that the universe is a massive computer where numbers are the language that it creates for its virtual reality from. When great scientists like David Bohm, Paul Davies and others marvel that mankind can even contemplate the universe, what Bohm calls the holomovement -- a realm that is a manifestation or broadcast of Being, progress in existential understanding is being made. How can mankind even think about something so magnificent as the makeup of himself and the universe? Quantification is the key here -- to assign REASON is to measure knowing in a physical state. This universe may be a combination of VR, quantum physics, nanotechnology, holography, fractal geometry, plasma physics, computational mirroring, inherent cosmological understanding and much more. The possibility that we may discover the truth of what we are, might just be found in the Virtual Reality Synergism.
Over the next few years mankind will be subjected to the possibility of universal knowing on a scale that could only be called a "revelation." Soon, humanity may learn that all those ancient words that our ancestors were in awe of, will suddenly come into a living understanding that will cause a new birth of higher knowing. This new stage will amount to a Being full of billions and billions of experiences incorporated to embark upon a new direction of increasing cognition and spirituality. Then mankind will leave this "wheel" (Earthly existence) and graduate to things that we can only dream of -- unless our dreams are the reality of this VR? To think that this could happen was once laughed at by skeptics, but they probably have not had the experience of even the current versions of Virtual Reality.
Getting a grip on reality
If people think VR is somewhat unbelievable, read this --technologists and scientists for business, the Department of Defense and NASA are working hard to help us get more out of virtual reality. They are working on a kind of camera that will reach out and grab reality no matter where it is. They believe that, if just a tiny particulate of the once known reality can be quantified (triangulated), then its reality can possibly be reconstituted using all the known equations of today's mathematical (fractal geometry?) reality. What kind of camera could do this? Some call it a "reality-grabber."
The reality-grabber is a computerized configuration that can measure and organize the environ that it comes in contact with via conventional camera and sophisticated digital scanning conversions of a multiplicity of electromagnetic data. Holography and fractal geometry would play an important role in the output of its malleable and quantifiable data. Such a machine would also know where it is at all times in the physical environment as it relates to planetary and Earthly data. With the above information and a "mirror" software ability to organize every little bit of information, such an apparatus could record and distribute data that would make Virtual Reality as common as today's television only with billions of alternative programming options possible. Individuals wishing to have their own interactive ability with the output program could easily experience any number of sequences that others may never stumble upon. Variety would indeed be the spice of life.
When the RG becomes available to VR, think of all the possibilities for learning, travel and entertainment. Simulation of every physical task could be available for instant enjoyment and replay. The reality-grabbers resolution of visual data will be astonishing, because holographic images (dynamic-data) will be delivered for life-like learning or experiencing via any format of delivery with computer enhancement amplifying its data-signals whatever its "footprint." The media will no longer be the message; instead -- the message will be the virtual experience. You will become Steven Spielberg because the entire studio will be at your fingertips for editing, special effects, reshooting, sound track/s, lighting, mixing and output. There's no redoing the scene because any and all possible alternatives could be reconstructed with the available data of the reality-grabber.
Ultra-vicarious experiences will be possible if the RG has just a few points to triangulate in order to reconstitute. We are talking about a world of instant mirroring of reality for reuse. Its like a radio talk show that broadcasts a few seconds after the primary incidence except you can change its outcome for interfacing and integration. This will allow many things: to replay reality, even get ahead of what is really happening so trial and error strategy can anticipate what the outcome might be; to recreate and pre-create alternate case histories that aren't even history yet; to simulate the future. The idea of creating a mirror world is perhaps so new that its potential to society is not totally extrapolatable.
I believe that one repercussion of the above technology will be, that we will have to rethink the concept of vocation. At this point in time, many people are already out of a job because of burgeoning technology and its only getting worse. With this new powerful concept of Virtual Reality exploding into our future, and because of the prospects of the reality-grabber, almost all creative informating (metamorphosis of media) activities will also ignite into a chaos of information saturation. Consider that all of us will be showing-off the "systems" creativity, who will be around to buy when all of humanity is experiencing the mindscape? Since technology replaces humanity, who will be able to afford it? Are we humans creating our own dead end? Or, are we entering the process for creating the next world?
If we develop a reality-grabber that's better than the lens of the human mind, where will we find ourselves? True it will amplify our capabilities to that of simulated godhood, but what about the experiential and educational equity to the rest of us? Some of us will become living gods -- being able to afford the technology that will educate our children at a light-year/ lightspeed level over the common individual's inaccessiblity to the techworld. We will create the ultimate disparity, opening ourselves up to polarizations that will need to be addressed in a civilization and world that can literally jump to a new punctuated equilibrium -- creating a new Otherworld overnight. Conflict resolution will certainly be the business to be involved in, (lawyers and psychologists will have more work) as humanity continues to become the behemoth that some of us once saw on our ever expanding horizon of cybermedia.
Overcoming the barriers to Mind and Body
The next step beyond the digitizing of reality will lead to the "beaming up of Scottie." Even now, scientists are working at breakneck speed to convert our digital world to one embracing DNA and its dimensional enhancement of computing via four molecule combinations -- A T C G rather than 0 and 1. Thus, we may begin to understand the ancient messages of Brahma (Hari the four-faced) who, according to Hindu tradition, was the instrument of creation in conjunction with the First Cause. Here we may rediscover knowledge that humanity once took for granted. Once humanity unites the disciplines of Genetic Engineering with the symbol of the ancient caduceus, which is DNA's double helix, then we will begin to create tools that will build a new and higher understanding of universal purpose. Building the super-mind via the tools of DNA through the amplification of neuronic-technology (neurons of the human brain) will set our flight from Earth toward the super-universe. Before this happens, mankind will need to fully understand the connection between himself and the Divine act of creation including the true understanding of Light and Mind.
In the fifth century, Saint Augustine indicated that God created the universe out of and outside of time. Timelessness is an interesting subject to think on scientifically as well as spiritually. Ask a scientist the ultimate why, and he will say we came from no thing. Then ask him to explain what no thing is -- It will probably look about like the clothes that the emperor was wearing, the day the little boy decided to think for himself and find deeper meaning in the apparentness found inside the soul. Half of science is an assumption (educated guess) -- the other half manifests in a fabricated illusion built upon known parts with no relationship to the totality. Science is done while we preoccupy ourselves with "their" reality. Humanity must return to waiting for the one who whispers to our deepest consciousness...the truths of being. Einstein called this mental-abyss, the little "Old Man" inside of us. He may point to the Burgeoning of Humanity.
It was once said that the face of God is a fraction past, and inclusive of the optical nerve and what drives it. Godhood is not necessarily conceptual, it (the Absolute) is being and becoming and only the created (crystallized) can be thought upon as it issues forth from the generative order or the Void that we do not presently understand. The Absolute is ongoing, nonlinear, non-local (to our perception), self-similar, self-organizing, and creative. Whatever else it is cannot be known by one mind (a part or child of...), total perception can only be known by totality. The part can never know the whole while it is the part. It must join the whole for total knowing. It is believed that Buddha did this and Christ was always this. The "Me" must embrace (love, know, join or be aware of) the Other, because the Other is the Me (the all-self). We are in this together. The joining becomes the Essence.
Einstein offered many clues to the real secret to knowing our existence. It has been reported that he somehow believed deeply in mystical possibilities, knowing that a balance of science and spiritual concepts held the secrets of true knowing. These double icons of wisdom, working in unison, would in the end put mankind on a new threshold of understanding. Each point of departure would really reinforce and compliment the other when humanity finally adopted the right path of perceptive ascension. Einstein's quest was to attain the gestalt-view and his life showed that one without the other was lame. Yet our scientific and religious society continues to polarize the great avenues of wisdom to fragment humanity into fruitless pursuits through ambitious leveraging for power. Polarization may be the ultimate evil.
The Universe and Manifest Mind -- A theory
There exists in the realm of experiences much more than the big bang as a source for the universe's beginnings and our subsequent introduction into being. Consider the concepts of holography, feedback loops, fractals, the broadcast of the electromagnetic spectrum, quantum theory (local and nonlocality), and many other subjects of creative delineation through scientific or deific manifestation. The fact remains that "mind" is present in this continuum. Where does it come from and how does it manifest?
Let us consider a new concept...Virtual Reality. It is a human endeavor to participate in a computer-created world via extra-electro-sensors such as viewing goggles, gloves or a total sensor-suit. Those who immerse into this newly created world can experience perceptual stimuli that approach the visual and tactile expressions of reality. The Department of Defense and NASA have plans to converge robotics with VR to allow a cybernaut to travel, work, and fight in hostile environs while controlled by a human at a remote site. With such capabilities, we would be able to explore the universe from our own living rooms --thereby experiencing vicariously the stimuli of pain, suffering and learning via feedback information from afar.
A Scenario
Imagine putting on a head-mounted display and body-sensor suit that would correspond to sensors in a robot that might be millions of miles away -- say on Mars. You could actually become part of a cyber-being that would interact with the Martian environment. Turn your head and it reacts to your every movement, and sensual stimuli from the planet causes you to react via feedback. You would be able to experience all the wonders of such a far away place in a direct sensory manner. One wonders, would living through this vehicle eventually displace your understanding of true reality? What if you could programme its memory with yours through DNA programming, then allow someone else on another shift to pick up and continue with his experiments and adds his programmes or thoughts to the same robot? Each day the robot would become more sophisticated as its experiences multiplied. Later we could add new advances in micro-machines and nanotechnology to create an evolving robot that would actually grow physically toward higher accomplishments. It could be programmed to repair itself and perhaps even give a cyber-birth to new cyber-forms that would assist you in your exploration. With new additions being developed back on Earth you could even get the feeling that you were on that planet instead of your robotic vehicle. You might get so good at controlling more than one robot at a time that you would become a family or a nation of robots letting you experience the grandeur of multiple personalities. What fun!
Discovering the Mystery
Intertwined in this "fun" experience is the length, width, breadth and timelessness of the greatest mystery of the universe. If we can attain the above experience via VR in this rudimentary human invention, who is to say that this is not what is already happening to Godhead at this very instance. We were created in his image. Who can refute that we are all an experiment of a higher being that is currently enjoying a broadcasted reality via quantum particles that are electromagnetically constituted into this reality that we "think" we are experiencing right now. Hindu, the oldest religion on Earth, speaks of the One with no second, who lives through all of us in his "playing." Is God playing life through us and we just forgot that we are part of another realm where experiencing a VR is the preoccupation of timelessness?
Think of your own becoming. When you were conceived, you and your DNA program came into a body that was new and hard to maneuver in a physical state. God's VR has a learning curve. You had to get familiar with the new apparatus. REASON or mind began to learn to use the Holy Temple. When a baby first arrives on Earth he/she is mentally more a part of everything or what some call the Other or the Essence. Some say we are actually smarter at birth and just learn to be somatically stupid. During the first few months, ego has not yet made its stand against the universe. The ego-image has not yet formed until it begins to observe itself in the eye of the other. Mirroring sets the self in a reality that is shown or received via sensors. Sensory experiences create the other for the individual. Soon you will learn to forget where you came from because of the dictates of this state. Learning to live in this physical world is our crux of being...to become. We learn to stand upon our experiences as a cushion from the void (a place we only know of in another state). The void represents the unknown or feeling of loneliness and awe. We feel very small against our lack of knowing. It has been posited that if we are not observed by the other, we begin to feel lonely as if we do not exist. Recognition and observation is basic to (quantum) being for all that makes up the universe. Worthiness began to set the stage for worship when mankind sought to remember his being in this physical state. Religion was once the science of that being.
Do all of our religious writings suggest that at the core of those impassioned words lies the secret and the truth of our reality? Yes. Religious traditions say that God gave us being and the Word -- REASON. Reason or mentality is our existence within the somatic-vehicular experience. Our bodies are our holy temples or means of motivation in a physical state. We should not do harm to our Holy Temples. Another point of Reason is that we should love our neighbors as we love ourselves. This may be because we are our neighbors as a result of their input to our being. It is possible that at the end of this God projected VR, we'll learn that we did all those dirty deeds to ourselves. The above may be the Why of religion...a method to awaken to the real being involved in this life episode.
Today almost all members of our scientific community are gradually coming to realize that reality is indeed beyond our current theories and some have suggested that our environ is a God-like concept...the god of Mental Universal technology on an unbelievable scale...the quantum entity. Some say that the universe is a massive computer where numbers are the language that it creates for its virtual reality from. When great scientists like David Bohm, Paul Davies and others marvel that mankind can even contemplate the universe, what Bohm calls the holomovement -- a realm that is a manifestation or broadcast of Being, progress in existential understanding is being made. How can mankind even think about something so magnificent as the makeup of himself and the universe? Quantification is the key here -- to assign REASON is to measure knowing in a physical state. This universe may be a combination of VR, quantum physics, nanotechnology, holography, fractal geometry, plasma physics, computational mirroring, inherent cosmological understanding and much more. The possibility that we may discover the truth of what we are, might just be found in the Virtual Reality Synergism.
Over the next few years mankind will be subjected to the possibility of universal knowing on a scale that could only be called a "revelation." Soon, humanity may learn that all those ancient words that our ancestors were in awe of, will suddenly come into a living understanding that will cause a new birth of higher knowing. This new stage will amount to a Being full of billions and billions of experiences incorporated to embark upon a new direction of increasing cognition and spirituality. Then mankind will leave this "wheel" (Earthly existence) and graduate to things that we can only dream of -- unless our dreams are the reality of this VR? To think that this could happen was once laughed at by skeptics, but they probably have not had the experience of even the current versions of Virtual Reality.
Getting a grip on reality
If people think VR is somewhat unbelievable, read this --technologists and scientists for business, the Department of Defense and NASA are working hard to help us get more out of virtual reality. They are working on a kind of camera that will reach out and grab reality no matter where it is. They believe that, if just a tiny particulate of the once known reality can be quantified (triangulated), then its reality can possibly be reconstituted using all the known equations of today's mathematical (fractal geometry?) reality. What kind of camera could do this? Some call it a "reality-grabber."
The reality-grabber is a computerized configuration that can measure and organize the environ that it comes in contact with via conventional camera and sophisticated digital scanning conversions of a multiplicity of electromagnetic data. Holography and fractal geometry would play an important role in the output of its malleable and quantifiable data. Such a machine would also know where it is at all times in the physical environment as it relates to planetary and Earthly data. With the above information and a "mirror" software ability to organize every little bit of information, such an apparatus could record and distribute data that would make Virtual Reality as common as today's television only with billions of alternative programming options possible. Individuals wishing to have their own interactive ability with the output program could easily experience any number of sequences that others may never stumble upon. Variety would indeed be the spice of life.
When the RG becomes available to VR, think of all the possibilities for learning, travel and entertainment. Simulation of every physical task could be available for instant enjoyment and replay. The reality-grabbers resolution of visual data will be astonishing, because holographic images (dynamic-data) will be delivered for life-like learning or experiencing via any format of delivery with computer enhancement amplifying its data-signals whatever its "footprint." The media will no longer be the message; instead -- the message will be the virtual experience. You will become Steven Spielberg because the entire studio will be at your fingertips for editing, special effects, reshooting, sound track/s, lighting, mixing and output. There's no redoing the scene because any and all possible alternatives could be reconstructed with the available data of the reality-grabber.
Ultra-vicarious experiences will be possible if the RG has just a few points to triangulate in order to reconstitute. We are talking about a world of instant mirroring of reality for reuse. Its like a radio talk show that broadcasts a few seconds after the primary incidence except you can change its outcome for interfacing and integration. This will allow many things: to replay reality, even get ahead of what is really happening so trial and error strategy can anticipate what the outcome might be; to recreate and pre-create alternate case histories that aren't even history yet; to simulate the future. The idea of creating a mirror world is perhaps so new that its potential to society is not totally extrapolatable.
I believe that one repercussion of the above technology will be, that we will have to rethink the concept of vocation. At this point in time, many people are already out of a job because of burgeoning technology and its only getting worse. With this new powerful concept of Virtual Reality exploding into our future, and because of the prospects of the reality-grabber, almost all creative informating (metamorphosis of media) activities will also ignite into a chaos of information saturation. Consider that all of us will be showing-off the "systems" creativity, who will be around to buy when all of humanity is experiencing the mindscape? Since technology replaces humanity, who will be able to afford it? Are we humans creating our own dead end? Or, are we entering the process for creating the next world?
If we develop a reality-grabber that's better than the lens of the human mind, where will we find ourselves? True it will amplify our capabilities to that of simulated godhood, but what about the experiential and educational equity to the rest of us? Some of us will become living gods -- being able to afford the technology that will educate our children at a light-year/ lightspeed level over the common individual's inaccessiblity to the techworld. We will create the ultimate disparity, opening ourselves up to polarizations that will need to be addressed in a civilization and world that can literally jump to a new punctuated equilibrium -- creating a new Otherworld overnight. Conflict resolution will certainly be the business to be involved in, (lawyers and psychologists will have more work) as humanity continues to become the behemoth that some of us once saw on our ever expanding horizon of cybermedia.
Overcoming the barriers to Mind and Body
The next step beyond the digitizing of reality will lead to the "beaming up of Scottie." Even now, scientists are working at breakneck speed to convert our digital world to one embracing DNA and its dimensional enhancement of computing via four molecule combinations -- A T C G rather than 0 and 1. Thus, we may begin to understand the ancient messages of Brahma (Hari the four-faced) who, according to Hindu tradition, was the instrument of creation in conjunction with the First Cause. Here we may rediscover knowledge that humanity once took for granted. Once humanity unites the disciplines of Genetic Engineering with the symbol of the ancient caduceus, which is DNA's double helix, then we will begin to create tools that will build a new and higher understanding of universal purpose. Building the super-mind via the tools of DNA through the amplification of neuronic-technology (neurons of the human brain) will set our flight from Earth toward the super-universe. Before this happens, mankind will need to fully understand the connection between himself and the Divine act of creation including the true understanding of Light and Mind.
so your a religious fanatic then?, i dont mean fanatic in a bad way. Simply in what the word fanatic actually means. No connatation involved.
QUOTE(Orion von Koch @ Jan 11 2006, 08:01 AM) [snapback]1016293[/snapback]
Pison,
The human mentality is a means to an end. We utilize it to travel in Time/Space...it is our device for being here. We are programmed for the color system via our DNA structure to communicate collectively in this environment. Other animals that we use here are seeing different colors than we are programmed to percieve. This is done because those entities are doing a job to keep this information float understandable. I am a being occupying a form in physical Time/Space. This place is a broadcast of bemanship not unlike the simple video game or RPG yet it is highly complex...but learnable. You are here to learn and control your Leveraged Acts as issued via your own consequences prior and presently manifest. If you meditate, you will see the background of this grand experience. God's laws are still hidden in the generative order. Those who are not held in complex ignorance, or diseased with a condition called bi-polar (manic depressively obcessed) or too many white blood cells, can see the big picture of our being. Those who have too much white blood presence are unable to see the reality of our being due to a pathology toward self-love above the reality. We are here to know and learn. We are tested. If we cannot go beyond our own self-orientation and learn of the power of the Other to our own reflection, then we remain in tiny feedback loopings that do not present the reality of our being. Those being tested with the White Blood hinderance or very special since they must overcome this disease in order to see clearly. Many do not ever succeed. They only cajole and make excuses...or attempt to poke fun at something they fear.
Not that one is, but that whereby Is, is.
That was one heck of a great explanation in a paragraph. Amazing really. Sorry about the late post to such an early one - just catching up a bit.
QUOTE(Orion von Koch @ Nov 30 2005, 01:07 PM) [snapback]955705[/snapback]
I suggest you study a little deeper. I am not on any drug and meditate to gain superior knowledge as many of you could do...but no. Look up fractals or google it and you will find the mathematical data that proves that ancient man did know fractals and that it is indeed at the base of our creation. Learn a little about Fractals before you say things bad about teachers.
as i have said to all these attention seekers claiming to be psychic and claiming to have superior knowledge... first of all save it, this site is for people who discuss illogical topics in a LOGICAL way. second, if you had superior knowledge then you would not be wasting your time on this web site.
QUOTE(RamboIII @ Jan 30 2006, 07:17 PM) [snapback]1042029[/snapback]
as i have said to all these attention seekers claiming to be psychic and claiming to have superior knowledge... first of all save it, this site is for people who discuss illogical topics in a LOGICAL way. second, if you had superior knowledge then you would not be wasting your time on this web site.
Not that Orion needs a defense, but I am assuming you are insinuating that he is an attention seeker? I do not feel that way at all. I suppose it is possible but I do not feel anyone on this specific string is claiming to be psychic or that this is what the conversation is about. I believe he also said he has access to superior knowledge but that you do as well. I feel like reading his material, from where ever it once came, has been a valuable use of my time so.....I think the topic of this section is secret messages in nature. The butterfly is another good example and how about those penguins? That is truly something, Love is what drives them. Regarding the butterfly it is an example of metamorphosis, essentially change, so there are many messages in nature and the Zebra is fairly remarkable although seeing them in some of the places I have does not seem very good, nature preserves and such. Maybe they are fine but they looked caged. I felt that. It would be nice to see things as they should be in nature, always. What is it that you want to talk about? Isn't there enough space for all?
Don't let them discourage you, Orion von Koch.
Great posts. I'm not closed minded enough to say that you're lying and that you're an attention seeker. Who I am to tell you that your meditating isn't as powerful as you say it is? I have only tried very light meditation. And I tell you, WHOA. The knowledge you can find within yourself is incredible. It is more than you can ever discover from outside sources. Being skeptic about such things without even trying for yourself can retard humanity and hold them back, if in fact, you're being truthful.
It's good to be skeptic... to an extent. You should never gives things a limit, only because you ASSUME that all things are "natural" and all things are "how they appear to be" and that everything that happens is natural. That is slapping a limit onto knowledge. Nothing that exists witch is beyond that belief system will never be discovered, because skeptics assume it does not exist.
It's NOT ok to go out and be gullible and a believer of everything. But at the same time it is NOT ok to assume that everything is how it appears to be, and that there's nothing supernatural and everything that exists can be studied by science, and if not, it doesn't exist. Therefore, they are basically saying that Science is the key to ALL knowledge and nothing can exist without science being able to test it. Science is a GREAT and WONDERFUL thing, but to believe it is capable of knowing everything in existence is beyond insane in my opinion.......
I'm just rambling. Time for me to sleep.
In my opinion, anyone who is a full time skeptic and follows only science and not spiritualism, is living a life of limited knowledge. Those that live by science and spiritualism are more open to all the things that truly do exist in my opinion. But, I need not worry what they think. I need to look into myself.
Great posts. I'm not closed minded enough to say that you're lying and that you're an attention seeker. Who I am to tell you that your meditating isn't as powerful as you say it is? I have only tried very light meditation. And I tell you, WHOA. The knowledge you can find within yourself is incredible. It is more than you can ever discover from outside sources. Being skeptic about such things without even trying for yourself can retard humanity and hold them back, if in fact, you're being truthful.
It's good to be skeptic... to an extent. You should never gives things a limit, only because you ASSUME that all things are "natural" and all things are "how they appear to be" and that everything that happens is natural. That is slapping a limit onto knowledge. Nothing that exists witch is beyond that belief system will never be discovered, because skeptics assume it does not exist.
It's NOT ok to go out and be gullible and a believer of everything. But at the same time it is NOT ok to assume that everything is how it appears to be, and that there's nothing supernatural and everything that exists can be studied by science, and if not, it doesn't exist. Therefore, they are basically saying that Science is the key to ALL knowledge and nothing can exist without science being able to test it. Science is a GREAT and WONDERFUL thing, but to believe it is capable of knowing everything in existence is beyond insane in my opinion.......
I'm just rambling. Time for me to sleep.
In my opinion, anyone who is a full time skeptic and follows only science and not spiritualism, is living a life of limited knowledge. Those that live by science and spiritualism are more open to all the things that truly do exist in my opinion. But, I need not worry what they think. I need to look into myself.
Deep within the psyche of all humans lives a desire for recognition of one's existence and prowess. In order to fulfill this desire within mankind, one finds the first step to position for recognition. That step is the act of leveraging all physical aspects for power and control in every event sequence that we participate with in life. The step is one of moving thought that manifests into an act designed for power over the Other. The Me (you) views all outside or external entities or material objects as the Other. Put simply -- there is Me (you) and there is the Other. To the Me, all outside persons, things, whatever -- are the Other. The Me competes with the Other for power and control within the realm of Lawful-existence or what some call the Essence (Laws of Physics or Nature).
The Essence is also considered the Universe. It is where the Me and the Other reside in a quantum existence full of laws and forces that leverage us by its own making. Some call this realm God. No matter how you term this inexplicable being or state of existence, you are here taking part in a drama that no one person can explain. You, the Me, really do not know if the Other really exists, but if it does not exist, do you exist? Without the Other, would you have the data to communicate back to you in feedback, that you exist?
The Void is the Ultimate unknowable it may be non-existence. You will never know the meaning of the Void as the Me. The self-oriented being or person can not know the Void, for it is deep, dark and undetectable. Selfish persons who desire recognition are really looking for reinforcement that they exist. Selfishness causes non-learning and pushes us closer to the edge of the Void. Without attention from the Other, we have no worldly data to feedback on the reality of our existence. The only way we can ever learn our way in the universe is to become unselfish and reach out to the Other to learn from all of them. To join the Other is to become unselfish. This is what some call Love. To Love the Other as we Love the Me is to gain knowledge on the Essence and the Void. The more we share knowledge with the Other, the more we see of life. An unselfish person soon learns that he is the Other.
Leveraging for Power in life means that the Me will use Violence, Wealth, Religion, Knowledge, Beauty, or Love to gain control over the Other, or seek recognition from the Other. There is really only one selfless means of communicating with the Other. It is Love. All other means are elements that invoke the ancient law of consequence. The law of consequence is also known as the law of cause and effect...what goes around, comes around. Because the law of consequence is leveraged into existence by selfish acts by the Me for his/her own gain (in effect saying that the Other does not exist therefore negating the Me's own existence).
Look into the eye of the Other and you will see the mirror of the self. No person exists beyond the data of his/her own senses. Without the feedback of the other's activities, there would be no data to see, hear, taste, smell, touch or examine with the brain or the sixth sense. The seventh sense is intuition which few beings develop unless they are unselfish and understand the power of the law of consequences. In your mind dances all the data of the Other. Without the knowledge gained of the outside world, you would be nothing. You are what you learn. You are an accumulation of all your life experiences. Your are the Other replicated by leveraged experiences reinforced over and over again. Wisdom is gained when you learn to Love the Other and Life becomes a Passion for harmony and continued becoming.
We are all in this together...who needs attention when you are a catalyst...you already have it.
The Essence is also considered the Universe. It is where the Me and the Other reside in a quantum existence full of laws and forces that leverage us by its own making. Some call this realm God. No matter how you term this inexplicable being or state of existence, you are here taking part in a drama that no one person can explain. You, the Me, really do not know if the Other really exists, but if it does not exist, do you exist? Without the Other, would you have the data to communicate back to you in feedback, that you exist?
The Void is the Ultimate unknowable it may be non-existence. You will never know the meaning of the Void as the Me. The self-oriented being or person can not know the Void, for it is deep, dark and undetectable. Selfish persons who desire recognition are really looking for reinforcement that they exist. Selfishness causes non-learning and pushes us closer to the edge of the Void. Without attention from the Other, we have no worldly data to feedback on the reality of our existence. The only way we can ever learn our way in the universe is to become unselfish and reach out to the Other to learn from all of them. To join the Other is to become unselfish. This is what some call Love. To Love the Other as we Love the Me is to gain knowledge on the Essence and the Void. The more we share knowledge with the Other, the more we see of life. An unselfish person soon learns that he is the Other.
Leveraging for Power in life means that the Me will use Violence, Wealth, Religion, Knowledge, Beauty, or Love to gain control over the Other, or seek recognition from the Other. There is really only one selfless means of communicating with the Other. It is Love. All other means are elements that invoke the ancient law of consequence. The law of consequence is also known as the law of cause and effect...what goes around, comes around. Because the law of consequence is leveraged into existence by selfish acts by the Me for his/her own gain (in effect saying that the Other does not exist therefore negating the Me's own existence).
Look into the eye of the Other and you will see the mirror of the self. No person exists beyond the data of his/her own senses. Without the feedback of the other's activities, there would be no data to see, hear, taste, smell, touch or examine with the brain or the sixth sense. The seventh sense is intuition which few beings develop unless they are unselfish and understand the power of the law of consequences. In your mind dances all the data of the Other. Without the knowledge gained of the outside world, you would be nothing. You are what you learn. You are an accumulation of all your life experiences. Your are the Other replicated by leveraged experiences reinforced over and over again. Wisdom is gained when you learn to Love the Other and Life becomes a Passion for harmony and continued becoming.
We are all in this together...who needs attention when you are a catalyst...you already have it.
The universe is moving along and we just play the game of chase...Yet, there are a few who are rising to higher realms.
"Yet, there are a few who are rising to higher realms."
no their isnt, their are a few, actually no, their are a lot whole only beleive they are.
no their isnt, their are a few, actually no, their are a lot whole only beleive they are.
Do you have mercy on others??? Do you know whereof you speak??? Do you know whereby you even think??? You seek recognition by virtue of your knowledge. Show it...or leave in peace. Do not hinder those who seek for it is the worst of the law of consequence to not love the other as you love yourself.
Humans leverage life in truths and illusions. How we package each event sequence determines if we leverage selfishly or in unconditional love for others. In each and every case, the hierarchy of human survival is at stake. Should this be judged from the standpoint of the self or of the collective? Many, without hesitation, take the self or narcissistic point of view in every life event 85% of their lifetime. The danger to civilization is that the selfish will band together and demand self-gratifying acts from the collective of human be-ness at the expense of positive behavior that is now selfish.
These beings of high narcissism represent the spoiled potential of human destiny. They are a pox on humanity and use selfishness and victimization to leverage the minds of others via emotional blackmail and shame. They position for a place of high intellect, but fulfill a realm of complex ignorance through a world-projected fallacy. Their tool is the sophisticated lie dressed up in the jargon of the court (e.g. argumentum ad ---) and sold to the uneducated public as a truth. In essence it is trickery.
The methodology of the negative narcissistic person trying to convince others of their sound positioning, is extensive miss-representation of the facts. They will cajole to catch their breath and then attack again, and again to keep their adversary off balance. At times they will hide behind a fawning façade, then strike. A verbal barrage of rapid-fire wording is used to overshadow any attempt to counter their stance. They will "hawk" or sell their lies aggressively to all surrounding forums in order to gain a consensus. Their energy, stoked by fear-of-failure, is usually higher than that of the "possessor-of-truth". In the end, their cause is usually perceived as "justly" real, due to their "artful" selling power and crafty zeal, not to mention that their audience is not very sophisticated but does represent 85% of the total audit. Many lies are presented as truths in the above fashion.
Much of the world is an illusion due to the dictates of the above example of truth-less behavior. What is real? Is beauty real? Is showmanship real? What does the aesthetic presentation have to do with truth? Stimulus and response elicited by visual or sound impact can bowl over a sense-starved person. Many youth become slaves to music and video that sells an illusion of pop-culture that has nothing to do with reality. Beauty, which is an illusionist's tool, betrays man souls to failure. Morals and truth can be subsumed easily to gain an edge for a long-range selfish cause.
When humans band together or manipulate others via self-gratifying lies and play false with other beings, they begin a criminal or immoral behavior that takes advantage of the collective in such a way, that civilization can suffer a retrograde. Merit is subsumed for the cause of sloth and the benefit of the selfish criminal rather than the positive reinforcement of truth over illusion.
These beings of high narcissism represent the spoiled potential of human destiny. They are a pox on humanity and use selfishness and victimization to leverage the minds of others via emotional blackmail and shame. They position for a place of high intellect, but fulfill a realm of complex ignorance through a world-projected fallacy. Their tool is the sophisticated lie dressed up in the jargon of the court (e.g. argumentum ad ---) and sold to the uneducated public as a truth. In essence it is trickery.
The methodology of the negative narcissistic person trying to convince others of their sound positioning, is extensive miss-representation of the facts. They will cajole to catch their breath and then attack again, and again to keep their adversary off balance. At times they will hide behind a fawning façade, then strike. A verbal barrage of rapid-fire wording is used to overshadow any attempt to counter their stance. They will "hawk" or sell their lies aggressively to all surrounding forums in order to gain a consensus. Their energy, stoked by fear-of-failure, is usually higher than that of the "possessor-of-truth". In the end, their cause is usually perceived as "justly" real, due to their "artful" selling power and crafty zeal, not to mention that their audience is not very sophisticated but does represent 85% of the total audit. Many lies are presented as truths in the above fashion.
Much of the world is an illusion due to the dictates of the above example of truth-less behavior. What is real? Is beauty real? Is showmanship real? What does the aesthetic presentation have to do with truth? Stimulus and response elicited by visual or sound impact can bowl over a sense-starved person. Many youth become slaves to music and video that sells an illusion of pop-culture that has nothing to do with reality. Beauty, which is an illusionist's tool, betrays man souls to failure. Morals and truth can be subsumed easily to gain an edge for a long-range selfish cause.
When humans band together or manipulate others via self-gratifying lies and play false with other beings, they begin a criminal or immoral behavior that takes advantage of the collective in such a way, that civilization can suffer a retrograde. Merit is subsumed for the cause of sloth and the benefit of the selfish criminal rather than the positive reinforcement of truth over illusion.
...and there goes the room. All the minds are at rest.
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QUOTE(Orion von Koch @ Feb 2 2006, 11:36 PM) [snapback]1046072[/snapback]
...and there goes the room. All the minds are at rest.
To say the least.
Back on the topic of the hidden messages in Nature......
For me the earth is a library; she is a university of living intelligence whose application in any subject or direction leads to wisdom.
The earth is an experimental labratory offering degrees of learning to those that are willing to surrender their ignorance.
Ignorance is a by-product of lack, but their is no lack in nature; therefore, the lack or unawareness must lie elsewhere.
Eradication of ignorance is paramount to the continuation of life upon the earth.
Intelligence lies dormant in some and is awakened in others, but is available to all.
In essence we all speak the same language, but we all hear it differently.
For me the earth is a library; she is a university of living intelligence whose application in any subject or direction leads to wisdom.
The earth is an experimental labratory offering degrees of learning to those that are willing to surrender their ignorance.
Ignorance is a by-product of lack, but their is no lack in nature; therefore, the lack or unawareness must lie elsewhere.
Eradication of ignorance is paramount to the continuation of life upon the earth.
Intelligence lies dormant in some and is awakened in others, but is available to all.
In essence we all speak the same language, but we all hear it differently.
Indeed Turtle, you are on target...Our only language is/are symbols. The ancient Maya held some of its starting logic. It has been forgotten over time. Read the book of Life for it is manifest all about you. It is better than a movie...it is virtual.
QUOTE(Mind_Freak2012 @ Nov 29 2005, 12:51 PM) [snapback]954046[/snapback]
Zebras have those markings because the stripes distort their form. This helps from being singled out by predators, when they are in herds... All the prey sees are a bunch of stripes, and a lot of heads, but no body formation. Therefore they cannot pick just one zebra to go after-and that is usually the only way a predator will catch one.
Mind Freak has spoken!
agreed, camouflage..
but i also gotta agree with him, how did evolution just give it to them?
QUOTE(Conspiracy @ Feb 7 2006, 06:14 PM) [snapback]1052168[/snapback]
agreed, camouflage..
but i also gotta agree with him, how did evolution just give it to them?
Not on purpose, if that is what you are asking.
Indeed on purpose...it is a highly manipulated fractal using mathematics of a 3-dimensional object fed into the DNA genome and manifest as a message to the future. But we are so dumb not to even notice...Typical
QUOTE(Orion von Koch @ Feb 8 2006, 07:45 PM) [snapback]1053732[/snapback]
Indeed on purpose...it is a highly manipulated fractal using mathematics of a 3-dimensional object fed into the DNA genome and manifest as a message to the future. But we are so dumb not to even notice...Typical
Orion, Conspiracy didn't ask how whatever story you are telling gave the zebra its stripes. He asked how evolution gave it to them, and evolution does not involve highly manipulated fractal using mathematics of a 3-dimensional object (How the heck would fractals be derived from a three dimensional object? Actually, nevermind.).
QUOTE(Orion von Koch @ Feb 8 2006, 02:45 PM) [snapback]1053732[/snapback]
Indeed on purpose...it is a highly manipulated fractal using mathematics of a 3-dimensional object fed into the DNA genome and manifest as a message to the future. But we are so dumb not to even notice...Typical
I'm not here to ridicule you, I'm an open-minded person... I am actually interested in what you are saying here^... Can you elaborate any further to improve your case? I'd be happy to hear it
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QUOTE(Me_Again @ Dec 9 2005, 07:16 AM) [snapback]967888[/snapback]
It is hard for many people to comprehend, that which they don't understand. First, you must experience then comes understanding. No matter how many books you read or how many degrees you earn, you never truly understand, until you experience... and that which you don't experience in this life, you will surely experience in the next, if you so choose. I understand what you are saying about zebra's, the same can be said about a leaf or a flower. If a human being can create Mandala Sand Art, then I don't doubt that an advanced being may have created stripes on zebras, for whatever reason. I am often thankful that my mind is not closed to infinite possibilities. I appreciate your writing, as I am an aspiring writer myself
there aren't to many thought provoking threads on this site and I like learning 'new' big words...but remember to be 'simple' at the same time 
in Light and Love to ALL, Me_Again
edit: uggg, I fogot to spell check, but thats what editors are for - right
[size=4]wow, that was quite beautiful an very very true. good wishes to you , you truley have a beautiful mind
Indeed very beautiful. To the others, evolution is bowelmovium splatus. It is not the process that drives this environ. There are minds behind this experiment and they are becoming more evident every day. I will be writing a major article on this soon. More to come.
QUOTE(Orion von Koch @ Feb 6 2006, 09:23 AM) [snapback]1050680[/snapback]
Indeed Turtle, you are on target...Our only language is/are symbols. The ancient Maya held some of its starting logic. It has been forgotten over time. Read the book of Life for it is manifest all about you. It is better than a movie...it is virtual.
During all the centuries when people believed that man and other animal species had been created "as is" by God in the beginning, it was easy to suppose that man's soul was created by god with a definative nature--that "human nature" was created in the beginning and has remained the same ever since.
It does not make much sence to recognize that Man is a creature of evolution without pointing out that man's soul is as much part of that evolutionary experiement in life as man's body.
What we see is a grand evolutionary experiment taking place within the soul of man.
This part of the experiement was well uinder way by 500 B.C, even though human consciousness is more or less unconscious, more or less tangled and governed by unconscious symbols and imagery and even today it is true that the experiment to organize the human soul in terms of consciousness is the main fact about human life.
Ananogously, when the human soul began to be organized in terms of consciousness, there wasn't just consciousness in general;, instead, there appeared particular varieties of consciousness.
As in the case of other evolutionary sucesses, several kinds of human consciousness seem to work--that is, that they have survived, yet at the same time there is a steady competition to see whether one variety of human soul might outlast the others.
In other words, during the past 2000 years several varieties of the human soul have been carrying on the ole' game of "survival of the fittest", but now it seems to have turned into "survival of the fittest consciousness"
Currently, we have a developed(ing?) "awake" consciousness, as well as a "sleep" consciousness.
There appears to be others, as NDE accounts will attest, but they are neither developed, or they were developed at one time and evolutionary pressures have altered them to our current consciousness awareness.
In any event, it appears that there are many different "types" or "layers" of consciousness.
Our current evolutionary progress has developed what we currently have, and appear to need.
Your interest in holography, as a form of consciousness interests me.
Thanks for the reply.
We have always had it, there is no evolution...into this...we have always been able to rise above this dross and have done so millions of times. This is much more expansive than most of us try to position form old defunct standards.
QUOTE(Orion von Koch @ Feb 13 2006, 01:10 PM) [snapback]1060045[/snapback]
We have always had it, there is no evolution...into this...we have always been able to rise above this dross and have done so millions of times. This is much more expansive than most of us try to position form old defunct standards.
My uncle was a educator, much like yourself.
One day I was visiting with him watching him busily marking exams for his students, and I noticed that he was taking the time to put messages all over the place. A comment here, a circle and another comment there.
I asked him why he did that, instead of just marking correct or incorrect and scoring the paper witrh a mark.
He looked at me dumbfounded and matter-of-fact tone stated how are they supposed to LEARN anything if I utilized your method?
Having said that, what exactly am I supposed to learn from this dismissive answer?
Is this how you taught?
One hopes that a true learner will remove his/her blinders. We are indeed expansive in our intellect but convention puts a dampner on our great mentality. Though many laugh and balk at the mention of Area 51, one wonders why such a place exists where human convention actually goes beyond the typical scope of intellect. Bemanship is highly organized and very beyond the scope of the average high school teacher. Our minds are capable of much, much more. It is time for the Burgeoning.
QUOTE(Orion von Koch @ Feb 15 2006, 08:56 AM) [snapback]1062488[/snapback]
Bemanship is highly organized and very beyond the scope of the average high school teacher. Our minds are capable of much, much more. It is time for the Burgeoning.
If it is so beyond the scope of a high school teacher( my uncle was a tenoired professor that taught university biology BTW) by your mode of thought, then only a certain few with the gift of a higher education will ever understand your comments.
That was most enlightening
Sorry, missed the disclaimer
My origional question, whether you roll your eyes at it or not, was whether human consciousness was part of the evolutionary cycle.
Not a hard concept to grasp, but now i am beginning to regret asking you anything.
QUOTE(Conspiracy @ Feb 7 2006, 06:14 PM) [snapback]1052168[/snapback]
agreed, camouflage..
but i also gotta agree with him, how did evolution just give it to them?
QUOTE(Conspiracy @ Feb 7 2006, 06:14 PM) [snapback]1052168[/snapback]
agreed, camouflage..
but i also gotta agree with him, how did evolution just give it to them?
Zebras have their stripes for a simple reason: NATURAL SELECTION ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection ).
What's Natural Selection? Its a natural mechanism to SELECT the most adapted individuals.
Originally there were 2 types of zebras, the ones with stripes and the ones without stripes, the ancestral zebras who had stripes survived to predators in a better way than the ones without stripes because they could camouflage much better, consequently they lived long so they could have more descendants, result: the number of zebras with stripes increased and the number of zebras without stripes decreased, this is the Natural Selection - The Charls Darwin theory.
Conclusion: Theres no secret message.
QUOTE(aquatus1 @ Feb 8 2006, 07:00 AM) [snapback]1053281[/snapback]
Not on purpose, if that is what you are asking.
Aquatus, I find it interesting you would leave the Zebra stripes up to an accident? I feel all the designs are purposeful including our DNA and need for bacteria to function and digest our food. I felt you understood more about our Creation than that. Do you really feel it was an accident and not on purpose? I don't but am curious that you do. None of this is an accident IMHO.
Why focus so much on the zebra stripes? They're just another mechanism of camouflage used by dozens and dozens of species, this kind of mechanisms are created by genetic mutations, consequently they give advantages to the individual that suffered the mutation, he reproduces, passing the genetic mutation to his descendants, making them better adapted than the rest of the individuals of their specie, so they live longer -> they reproduce more -> their number increases = evolution caused by natural selection. Whats so hard about this?
Cmon, we learn this at school, this theory has no flaws.
Cmon, we learn this at school, this theory has no flaws.
Our test is to realize that we are all one with the Other. Without the other, we would not even exist. The Other gives us feedback on who and what we are. If this does not meet with your being...then go in peace.
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Nicely said....
QUOTE(PLO @ Feb 1 2006, 10:08 AM) [snapback]1044218[/snapback]
"Yet, there are a few who are rising to higher realms."
no their isnt, their are a few, actually no, their are a lot whole only beleive they are.
I realize you may be foreign but I could hardly understand what you wrote.
QUOTE(Portugues @ Feb 15 2006, 05:06 PM) [snapback]1063140[/snapback]
Why focus so much on the zebra stripes? They're just another mechanism of camouflage used by dozens and dozens of species, this kind of mechanisms are created by genetic mutations, consequently they give advantages to the individual that suffered the mutation, he reproduces, passing the genetic mutation to his descendants, making them better adapted than the rest of the individuals of their specie, so they live longer -> they reproduce more -> their number increases = evolution caused by natural selection. Whats so hard about this?
Cmon, we learn this at school, this theory has no flaws.
Wow, you really think they are genetic mutations? IMHO the theory has several flaws.
You are speaking of physical Evolution of a Species which does seem to exist but does not really make sense from the "beginning". I suppose you are arguing the point that Orion has made about the Fractilian nature of the Zebra's stripes. It is not required that you believe in it but I am really curious when the Zebra was created out of bacteria and at what point did it branch off. The theory of Evolution is missing alot of necessary information IMO.
The whole evolution theory just does not make logical sense to me overall. I mean, we are so much more complicated than that theory. The theory is also missing a large portion of history. To think that we came from a single celled organism in a swamp or something and then all branched off in these many directions due to stimulation from an outside source or the environement or something similar is almost ridiculous. The only thing Evolution has going for it right now is the factual nature of Natural Selection and the Natural physical adjustments over thouisands of years to their environment. There is evolution but not the same way in which it is described in the theory and certainly not from the "beginning" of Time. I just do not agree and wonder how many others are able to satisfy their questions with that theory. Lots I'm sure. For me it is missing a huge piece and it is just not logical to me.
taustin, the edit button is your friend,lol
personally, i think this is just another bogus theroy that you have though TOO much about. stripes are for camaflouge, and got there by natural selection like portugeus said.
there is no secrect, and you need to step back and take an objective veiw at your theories
sure, call me closed minded, but your closed minded is my rationale
you cant believe something you observe without ever questioning it first.
i dont know who said this , but its true "it is unhealthy to not question what you believe" because by questoining you lead to fact.
personally, i think this is just another bogus theroy that you have though TOO much about. stripes are for camaflouge, and got there by natural selection like portugeus said.
there is no secrect, and you need to step back and take an objective veiw at your theories
sure, call me closed minded, but your closed minded is my rationale
you cant believe something you observe without ever questioning it first.
i dont know who said this , but its true "it is unhealthy to not question what you believe" because by questoining you lead to fact.
Do the math.
QUOTE(Portugues @ Feb 15 2006, 09:04 PM) [snapback]1062955[/snapback]
Zebras have their stripes for a simple reason: NATURAL SELECTION ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection ).
What's Natural Selection? Its a natural mechanism to SELECT the most adapted individuals.
Originally there were 2 types of zebras, the ones with stripes and the ones without stripes, the ancestral zebras who had stripes survived to predators in a better way than the ones without stripes because they could camouflage much better, consequently they lived long so they could have more descendants, result: the number of zebras with stripes increased and the number of zebras without stripes decreased, this is the Natural Selection - The Charls Darwin theory.
Conclusion: Theres no secret message.
Natural selection wouldn't work unless one already had the stripes while another didn't. >.>
How did they get'em?
EDIT: How do we know those Zebras had no stripes? =D
Maybe it wasn't a Zebra.
QUOTE(A+certified @ Feb 15 2006, 06:03 PM) [snapback]1063236[/snapback]
taustin, the edit button is your friend,lol
personally, i think this is just another bogus theroy that you have though TOO much about. stripes are for camaflouge, and got there by natural selection like portugeus said.
there is no secrect, and you need to step back and take an objective veiw at your theories
sure, call me closed minded, but your closed minded is my rationale
you cant believe something you observe without ever questioning it first.
i dont know who said this , but its true "it is unhealthy to not question what you believe" because by questoining you lead to fact.
Yeah I seem to be having issues with the quote process. I basically have not figured it out. Which is truly ridiculous if you undertsood what I did for a living. It is obviously not that important to me.
I really did not present a theory to you though and frankly I did not have to think much about it at all. I read about it and determined that was not what I thought and that was not a satisfactory theory to me. Maybe for you. So even if they are for camoflauge - why could they not have been created as Orion said? I am incredibly objective and if you had actual factual information that filled in the gaps of Evolution (Darwinian theory I assume) I would take that into consideration. I am not sure if you are close minded and I was not going to say that but if the shoe fits.....
I ALWAYS question....lol. I did not say I believed in anything in particular. I simply said that I do not believe the Darwinian (to be clear) Theory of Evolution is where "we" and the Zebras came from, including their stripes. We are much more "complicated" than that. The Theory is EXACTLY that - a Theory - not fact.
QUOTE(Mr Ed @ Dec 7 2005, 07:11 AM) [snapback]965344[/snapback]
But Richdog, you have failed to point out that he knows a lot of long words.
You guys are kind of just jerks.....jerking people around.
Interesting read mister Koch, it's healthy to train the mind in such radical thinking and im sad (but not surprised) that some people turn hostile on the pioneers of free thought! Actually i was a bit surprised since this is such a free thought forum...
Hehe sometimes it's as if this hostile mentality is a global mental disease eh ?
Hehe sometimes it's as if this hostile mentality is a global mental disease eh ?
QUOTE(Ykaedhi Aewee @ Feb 16 2006, 06:17 AM) [snapback]1063713[/snapback]
Interesting read mister Koch, it's healthy to train the mind in such radical thinking and im sad (but not surprised) that some people turn hostile on the pioneers of free thought! Actually i was a bit surprised since this is such a free thought forum...
Hehe sometimes it's as if this hostile mentality is a global mental disease eh ?
And welcome to UM.
I was wondering what the point was until seen it was you O...I see your still into new age stuff....rofl....
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