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Orion von Koch
No one needs to take drugs or smoke anything in order to amplify the mind. One has but to meditate and let your own chemistry do the job.
Super Pancake
Why not use nature's secret's like weed to open up our minds?
Turtle
Tribal shamans have been doing it for centuries.
Tone
Interesting read, thanks Orion von Koch.

I love thought-provoking theories like this.
The Nameless One

Just wanted to let everyone know that these are not my actual words they are copied and pasted, but I am here to expose the truth about fractals with a short defintion, and also how zebras, and other animals get their stripes. You will eventually see my intentions are showing everyone of you that Orion Von Koch is a fraud!!!! Here I will display how he complements himself with the use of other identities, just to credit himself. Please read the following as I expose his stupidity. Trust me fractals have nothing to do with extraterrestrials manipulating genetics. I have experience in the field of Chaos Theory, and fractals, and trust me this guy is full of poop.


First off is an explaination for fractal artwork, and then I found an interesting essay about why zebras have their stripes. Enjoy.

Fractal artwork

Fractals are often misunderstood so hopefully this feature will clear up some confusion and help people understand what makes a fractal image.

To begin with, fractals in the basest sense are geometric patterns that are found in nature all around us. Some examples of this are spirals in sea shells, cell structure in leaves, strata patterns in rock formations, and even certain patterns found on animals such as zebras, tigers, and turtle shells.

So why do fractals have a specific gallery here and a distinct classification? To help explain the fractal gallery I will try to break down the art form using different definitions.


Methodology:

If a photographer and a painter each captured the exact same sunset into an image, both would be very different even though they viewed the same scene. What makes each stand apart from the other are the methods that went into the creation process.

Fractals are created using a set of complex mathematical formulas that are calculated using special software, often called fractal generating programs. The most popular of them are Apophysis, Fractal Explorer, and Ultra Fractal. These programs are specifically written to calculate long lines of math formulas into images that can be used for internet purposes, wallpapers, or prints.


Zebras and Evolution.







An interesting example of self-organization in nature is the problem of understanding how spots and stripes appear on the skins of some animals. Such patterns often serve as camouflage and so have definite survival value, but how is this information transmitted down the generations? Since leopard spots are not arranged in identical patterns from one individual to the next, there must be some amount of randomness involved, and yet the patterns of leopards are certainly distinguishable from those of tigers, so there must be some mechanism which differs across species. What is this mixture?

One of the first models was proposed by Alan Turing, one of the early workers in the field of artificial intelligence. Here we present David Young's variant, based on cellular automata.

We know the early embryonic skin of a leopard (or tiger, or zebra, or giraffe, or ... ) is covered with a distribution of melanocytes (pigment cells). These cells can be in one of two states: differentiated (denoted D) and undifferentiated (denoted U). Color is produced by the D cells, not by the U cells. Also, the D cells secrete two morphogens, an inhibitor (I) and an activator (A). Both chemicals diffuse away from each D cell, their concentration decreasing with distance from the D cell. The A concentration is higher near the D cell, but falls off more quickly than the I concentration and so at some distance from the D cell, the I concentration exceeds the A concentration from that cell.

Every cell is constantly awash in A and I morphogens from all the nearby D cells. If at a U cell, the A concentration exceeds the I concentration, the cell becomes D and starts secreting morphogens on its own. If at a D cell, the I concentration exceeds the A concentration, the cell becomes U and stops producing morphogens. The evolution of patterns on animals' skins is thought to be the a form of self-organization of D cells, resulting from the chemical feedback loops just described.

Young's idea was to model the animal skin by a square array of cells, each a melanocyte and so in one of two states: live (for differentiated) and dead (for undifferentiated). Since the morphogens diffuse in roughly circular patterns, the neighborhood of a cell now is taken to be all the cells within a circle about the given cell. We take the circle to have radius six cells. Every D cell within this circle is secreting morphogens which reach the central cell. If a D cell is close enough to the center (we'll say within a circle of radius three from the center), then it contributes A morphogens to the central cell. Every D cell farther than three away from the center (but still no farther away than six) contributes I morphogens to the central cell. Young simplified the model by assuming the A concentration is fixed at 1, constant for all D cells within three of the center, and the I concentration is some other number, w, constant for all D cells in the ring-shaped region between three and six from the center.
The automaton rule then is this: count up all the D cells in this ring and call this number ID, count up all the D cells in the circle of radius three and call this number AD. Then

if AD - w*ID > 0 set the central cell to D,
if AD - w*ID < 0 set the central cell to U,
if AD - w*ID = 0 leave the central cell unchanged.

Now exposing his fraud.

First off Orion Von Koch did not write the following essay, he copied and pasted the story from the following link.
http://www.dailygrail.com/node/141


crazyman 420

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Yeah. Your fractal ideas *are* possible.


kaiboijin-

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basiccally complemted you and told everbody to stop fighting while you complemented him by saying.

well said I would love having you as one of my students



Plo

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i dont understand, why did they only make the Zebras, where they advanced zebras from space[whow as thier king?!?!?!???], has the Zebra king some kind of.....agenda with the Zebras?, cuase they are identical to horses apart from their pattern?, designd to trick us?!?May......beeee come to think of it, it is a lot of camofluage for a horse to have. Mate what exactly are these Zebra's up to?, u seem to know a lot about their movements, tell me more!!!!!




goatis

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yeah. zebras are tight, sorry to get off topic...im not sure if this has been said, but along w/ clues, i believe nature has left windows open as well....there are depths of our minds that we cant even fathom, but when one say, smokes a dried plant leaf, or simply plucks the right muchroom and eats it, they are lulled into a completely different state in which they think things they had NEVER thought before. sometimes, perspectives and habbits are changed through these insights deeper into our brains...just something nature left out in the woods somewhere...


Tone

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interesting read, thanks Orion von Koch.

I love thought-provoking theories like this.




Peace TNO. Now everybody laugh at Orion for a couple of hours.
*EnIgMa*
I don't get it hmm.gif...
Yelekiah
QUOTE(Turtle @ Dec 20 2005, 02:36 PM) [snapback]984423[/snapback]

Tribal shamans have been doing it for centuries.

Weed? I knew some used other plants. Interestring.
Turtle
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Dec 20 2005, 04:46 PM) [snapback]984657[/snapback]

Weed? I knew some used other plants. Interestring.


Whoops, one doesn't really know what goes into that pipe.
I meant the reference as using mind altering drugs from plants. innocent.gif
Sorry Yel. original.gif
Yelekiah
(disappointed)
Like peyote I'm thinking.
*EnIgMa*
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Dec 20 2005, 07:16 PM) [snapback]985041[/snapback]

(disappointed)
Like peyote I'm thinking.

That's a cactus right? Native American's used to eat it...they still do...
Yelekiah
laugh.gif @ Mind Freak
Orion von Koch
Virtual Reality is a human endeavor to participate in a computer-created world via extra-electro-sensors such as viewing goggles, gloves or a total sensor-suit. Those who travel in this newly created world can experience perceptual stimuli that approach the visual and tactile expressions of reality. The Department of Defense and NASA have converged robotics with VR to allow a cybernaut to travel, work, and fight in hostile environs while controlled by a human at a remote site. With such capabilities, we will be able to explore dimensionless universes from our own living rooms.

Imagine putting on a head-mounted display and body-sensor suit that would correspond to sensors in a robot that might be millions of miles away -- say on Mars. You could actually become part of a cyber-being that would interact with the Martian environment. You would be able to experience all the wonders of such a far away place in a direct sensory manner.

One wonders -- would living through this vehicle eventually displace your understanding of true reality? What if you could program its memory with yours, then allow someone else on another shift to pick up and continue with his experiments and program his thoughts in the same robot? Each day the robot would become more sophisticated as its experiences multiplied. Later we could add new advances in micro-machines and nanotechnology to create an evolving robot that would actually grow physically toward higher accomplishments. It could be programmed to repair itself and perhaps even give a cyber-birth to new cyber-forms that would assist you in your exploration.

With new additions being developed back on Earth you could even get the feeling that you were on that planet instead of your robotic vehicle. You might get so good at controlling more than one robot at a time that you would become a family or a nation of robots letting you experience the grandeur of multiple personalities. What fun! I have done this with my XBOX and its games.

Intertwined in this "fun" experience are the length, width, breadth and timelessness of the greatest mystery of the universe. If we can attain the above experience via VR in this rudimentary human invention, who is to say that this is not what is already happening through Godhead at this very instance. It was said we were created in his image. Who can refute that we are all an experiment of a higher being that is currently enjoying a broadcast reality via quantum particles that are electromagnetically constituted into this reality that we think we are experiencing right now. Hindu, the oldest religion on Earth, speaks of the One with no second, who lives through all of us in his "playing." Is God playing life through us and we just forgot that we are part of another realm where experiencing a VR is the preoccupation of timelessness?

Think of your own becoming. When you were conceived you and your DNA program came into a body that was new and hard to maneuver in a physical state. God's VR has a learning curve. You had to get familiar with the new apparatus. REASON or mind began to learn to use the Holy Temple.

When a baby first arrives on Earth he/she is mentally more a part of everything or what some call the other or the essence. Some say we are actually smarter at birth and just learn to be somatically stupid. During the first few months, ego has not yet made its stand against the universe. The ego-image has not yet formed until it begins to observe itself in the eye of the other. Mirroring sets the self into a reality that is shown or received via sensors. Sensory experiences create the other for the individual. Soon you will learn to forget where you came from because of the dictates of this state. Learning to live in this physical world is our crux of being...to become.

We learn to stand upon our experiences as a cushion from the void (a place we only know of in another state). The void represents the unknown or feeling of loneliness. If we are not observed by the other, we begin to feel lonely as if we do not exist. Recognition and observation is basic to (quantum) being for all that makes up the universe. Worthiness began to set the stage for worship when mankind sought to remember his being in this physical state. Religion was once the science of that being.

The last time mankind came so close to the gods, they gave the tower of Babylon its namesake with many languages to confuse the feebleminded being, that would dare to learn the meaning of life. This time, if we are cautious, we may finally join the lesser gods in springing into a whole new dimension of understanding. Virtual Reality, along with the understandings of Fractal Geometry, Nanotechnology, Holography, Laser-tech, and other leading-edge, computer driven technologies, will show us the way to how Deity and Its powerful energy or spirit can broadcast itself into the virtual reality that we all are experiencing at present...the universe.

According to Michael Heim, who wrote the 1993 version of The Metaphysics of Virtual Reality, there are seven divergent directions that VR research is moving through. They are: Simulation, Interaction (augmented reality), Artificiality, Immersion, Telepresence, Full-body Immersion, and Networked Communications. These seven directions will someday reconvene offering humanity the tools to recreate himself. Marry the newly advocated theory of a Holographic Universe touted by David Bohm, Karl Pribram and Michael Talbot, then charge its mathematics with Benoit Mandelbrot's Fractal Geometry (which can emulate all known visual universes) and we are on our way to seeing the deeper aspects of existence.

Virtual reality will soon allow us to become anyone, anything, anywhere, anyhow, anywho-beings when we flip the switch and step into a high resolution, 3-dimensional visual-sound, pheromone aided environment. There, our real sensory systems will suffer a paradigm shift into a world augmented by heads-up displays of hypertext, cyberspace/form, and amplified knowledge available in a mirror-world context, at speeds that will seem like reality is blending into super-reality. We will be able to learn everything we learned in high school in a few short sessions. If Marshall McLuhan thought that television rendered high school obsolete, then VR will render education meaningless. All knowledge will be gestalt and inherent.

Total access will be at our behest. You will be able to live through any animal; dive to the depths of your own blood stream; repair your own body from within, live in deep space in a robot body that will become your home or work away from home, and when the robot sleeps you repair and feed (energize) it and yourself. You may even share in your robots dreams. You will be able to visit virtual worlds within virtual worlds and might even lose yourself and die in a virtual world before realizing that you really are alive in your own living room. Of course, you may really be dead.

Can you see what I am showing you? Who is to say whether or not our lives are really virtual realities for ourselves or a higher form. Localization is suspect. Where do you truly exist? The ancient Essenes said that you exist as spirit or animator occupying a form. You are eternal the form is an experience. Modern day religions say the same thing. Is religion really technology that we think is magical but its really VR in true syntax. Sumerian texts say that the gods came to earth to work the gold mines and became tired. They made a lesser man (via genetic engineering?) and dismembered (divided) a god to use his breath or spirit to drive the beings they made. Many ancient religions such as the Aztecs, Egyptians and others speak of the many faceted god that occupies all of us in our clay-based bodies.

What we are learning today about evolving Physics (another word for Godhood) in Quantum areas, shows us that locating the being on one level is extremely difficult at another level. Flesh and blood or "meat" as William Gibson referred to our bodies in his book Neuromancer, is matter that is glued together by a matrix of being driven by the irradiating force of a peculiar light. This thinking, vibrant mind-form seems to be on board a body but is extremely elusive when brain studies are conducted. What animates our brains and remembers, acts exactly like a holographic entity because it does not necessarily lose its memory even when 90% of the brain is inactive or cut away. A hologram that is fragmented can reconstitute the original when light is passed through the part. The part knows the whole. The holographic-like brain seems to act as an interface to reality--a lens of complex sensory capability that allows a spirit to manipulate the toys of a dimensional virtual reality via waves and interference waves of information animated in feedback loops.

Now do you see the power that virtual reality will have to totally transform our civilization? Recently, I explained this to my Son-in-law who is a preacher and is working toward his doctorate. I am a very spiritual man that can see the changing face of Deity, he is a religious man that may not be able to see the changing of a God that is continuously becoming. What will virtual reality do to our beliefs, our professions, our culture, our lives? Suffice to say it will be like kicking in the after-burners to our psyches.

To our collective psyches, all of our religious writings suggest that at the core of those impassioned words lie the secret and the truth of our reality? God gave us being and the Word -- REASON. Reason or mentality is our existence within the somatic-vehicular experience. Our bodies are our holy temples or means of motivation in a physical state. We should not do harm to our Holy Temples. We should love our neighbors as we love ourselves, because we are our neighbors and at the end of this VR we'll learn that we did all those dirty deeds to ourselves.

Today almost all members of our scientific community are gradually coming to realize that reality is indeed beyond our current theories and some have suggested that our environ is God...the god of Omni-technology...the quantum self. Some say that the universe is a massive computer where numbers are the language that it creates its virtual reality from.

David Bohm, Paul Davies and others marveled that mankind could even contemplate the universe, what Bohm called the holomovement -- a realm that is a manifestation or a broadcast of Being. How can mankind even think about something so magnificent as the makeup of himself and the universe?

Quantification is the key here -- to assign REASON is to measure knowing in a physical state. This universe may be a combination of VR, quantum physics, nanotechnology, holography, fractal geometry, plasma physics, computational mirroring, inherent cosmological understanding and much more. The possibility that we may discover the truth of what we are, might just be found in the Virtual Reality Synergism.

Over the next few years mankind will be subjected to the possibility of universal knowing on a scale that could only be called a "revelation." Soon we may all learn that all those ancient words that our ancestors were in awe of will suddenly come into a living understanding that will cause a new birth. This new birth will amount to a being full of billions and billions of experiences incorporated to embark upon a new direction of higher cognition and spirituality. Then, mankind will leave this "wheel" and graduate to things that we can only dream of -- unless our dreams are the reality of this VR?

Look at the screen in front of you as you read this concept. The cursor or leading edge of your thoughts feed back into the computer is virtually you. What we see in two dimensions will someday expand into many dimensions. The key is to see the symbolism of what is apparently being fed to us via our own intellects. Read what he is showing us.

To think that this "Leap of Fate" could happen was once laughed at by skeptics, but they probably have not had the experience of even the current versions of Virtual Reality. If you ever have a VR experience, then you can also...think of all the possibilities. See you on the next wheel.

Pison
notworthy.gif That was a great post.

There is so much there I want to mention, but I'll keep it short, er something...

You mentioned our becoming and our DNA birth, and you also touched on our pure form as infants; how we first see the world. I would like to add an emphasis on color right after birth, and even long before.

During the first four to six months of our lives we see the world in black and white. The cones in our eyes have not "turned on", but the rods are processing the moving images seen by the eye. The rods are the "black and white" receptors.

The cones are responsible for color. Cones come in three varieties: red, blue, and green. Red light stimulates the red cones, and simultaneously inhibits the surrounding green cones. Green light does the exact opposite (green and red are each other's opponent colors). Blue light stimulates the blue cones and inhibits both red and green cones (red and green light, mixed, form yellow light -- blue's opponent color).

These are the "primary colors" because it's how the human eye is set up to see the colors. Other species of animals have different cones, and most do not even see in color. Some birds and reptiles see color; butterflies and bees see color, but color is integrated into their life journey.

We are taught early on in life that the primary colors are red, blue and yellow. But, these are the primary colors of paint or pigments.

I find it odd that when we mix all the colors of pigment together we get black, but when all the colors of the visible light spectrum are mixed together we get white.


Can you show any objective term, or define the color red, or blue, without using another color for reference?

What about black and white?
BigDaddy_GFS
This flirtation with 'intelligent design is giving me a migraine.
These pseudo-intellectuals continue to wrap their nonsensical BS in polysyllabic gibberish so it sounds 'smart' to those who 'aren't smart'.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to exfoliate my subjutaneous membranes before they emulsify in my knickers.

And if you don't immediately cessate your loquacious vociferations, you'll never be able to truly stratify your marmosets.

Can you dig it?
Orion von Koch
Pison,

The human mentality is a means to an end. We utilize it to travel in Time/Space...it is our device for being here. We are programmed for the color system via our DNA structure to communicate collectively in this environment. Other animals that we use here are seeing different colors than we are programmed to percieve. This is done because those entities are doing a job to keep this information float understandable. I am a being occupying a form in physical Time/Space. This place is a broadcast of bemanship not unlike the simple video game or RPG yet it is highly complex...but learnable. You are here to learn and control your Leveraged Acts as issued via your own consequences prior and presently manifest. If you meditate, you will see the background of this grand experience. God's laws are still hidden in the generative order. Those who are not held in complex ignorance, or diseased with a condition called bi-polar (manic depressively obcessed) or too many white blood cells, can see the big picture of our being. Those who have too much white blood presence are unable to see the reality of our being due to a pathology toward self-love above the reality. We are here to know and learn. We are tested. If we cannot go beyond our own self-orientation and learn of the power of the Other to our own reflection, then we remain in tiny feedback loopings that do not present the reality of our being. Those being tested with the White Blood hinderance or very special since they must overcome this disease in order to see clearly. Many do not ever succeed. They only cajole and make excuses...or attempt to poke fun at something they fear.

Not that one is, but that whereby Is, is.
PLO
hmmm i dont trust you one bit good buddy, for the simple fact you seem to fall into the trappings of any religion and how they influence and control people with fear. your posing a loaded gun, we either learn and we evolve past this material 3D reality into something quite unspecified, how you know this as fact, which you dont, its beleife, so immediatly it cannot or never will seperate yourself from any religion or cult offering enlightenment. Or were damnd to

"remain in tiny feedback loopings"

now whatever these tiny feedback back loopings maybe, its simply a nicer way of representing hell imo, but a lot more subtle and unnofensive.

Scare tactics. You also say those with diseas' are being tested, thats medicaly and scientificaly a very dubious statement to back up , whats your angle buddy?, selling anythign?
BigDaddy_GFS
Ok. Orion.

Lat's say that your nueroplasitc dissertation has a modicem of truth in it.
You sound like a used-car salesman who's spent way more time reading the dictonary, than any text book.

If we realign our pneumonic pathways,we could probably triangulate on what you espoused. But be that as it may, we are instead left dangling from a spiracular vestibule. Your monadic visilligisms are noble, nut woefully contrived.
Orion von Koch
Take this as you will...

One must know well what took place here in this sector of the projected illusion or the known Universe (as experienced by multifaceted mentality). It is possible to read, hear and see all of its symbolic data sensed by “our” collective mind. If reviewed repetitively one may hold its memory fast to carry it back to the source. This device of being here (existence) is of singular scope in its construction and its message to you is the secret of being here in Time/Space. Its development via the One or All was selected for expression in a modality for justice and worth – consequence. The Laws of Consequence hold sway in all leveraged happenstance. One cannot hide from its force.

It was long ago for Time and always for Timelessness that this deeply hidden experience “became”… due to the massiveness of the parameters of the reissuing (feedback looping) event. It, the event was long seen but held in little esteem until the rapidity of the parts of its issuance were realized by the multifaceted humanity itself. Now, this collective generation shall know all of its parts toward the whole of existence by striving to know the elements and principals of its design…The Design of Is or the I am I.

Holding all of this illusion to the law of consequence is also the parameters of gravity the all-encompassing sheath of this illusion’s issuance – the broadcast of being. Gravity is the atmosphere of expression in this Godly program where information or mind is held within all its apparentness. This information is the electromagnetic spectrum of hierarchal echelons of mental articulation. Its program is geometric and fractal in its relationship to all facets of interlink and feedback. Inherent within its expression exists the idiosyncrasies of creativity held in the elements and principals of design. Its degree of perfection by unity is perceived as beauty or ultimate choice. Beauty signals the ultimate test of the soulular traveler. All elementals of this program are numerically derived from the holo-spirited movement or generative order creating sequential Time within Space.

Created was the Moiré Arena, the realm wherein and whereby all movement and leveraging is accomplished for the amplification of the monadic reality whose seat lies within the depths of eternal Timelessness. Its charge is to issue into the arena of being. This realm of existence is the Matrix or Arena of Being in Time/Space where learning through the Laws of Consequence undulates within all its parts through the sequences of events held within the dictates of time. The program of being is projected into the realm form or programmed broadcast from infinity, where all is held in the bosom of creative monadic mentality. This realm of eternity is not unlike The Dreamscape where all who exist in this “being state” return home periodically or every night to recharge the collective intellect on all levels and dimensions. It has been said that one dies every night when they enter into the dream world. The Truth is not far from this.

This entire arena is the projection lived within and broadcast by the One aspect of the multifaceted reality. We are the parts of its Whole and have always been and will always be.
PLO
yes but sadly leibnez could never prove his theorys on monads other than putting them down to the reasons that why we have faith and beleife etc, until you capture one in a lab, it is supposition no matter how creative.

Though i do agree, forces do obviously permeate this space beyond the calculable realm of science, but its nothing you cant realise by watching nature, or on a good mushroom trip lol. But regardless it makes no odds as how we as people live our lives.
BigDaddy_GFS
Did anyone notice how Orion ratcheted up his powerful tongue-twisting vocabulary in his retorts, after I pointed it out in my own???
PLO
word trickery, its to make u more subdued when reading it, so your basicaly more susceptible to whats being said. Good theorys though, just backed up with nothing.
BigDaddy_GFS
QUOTE(PLO @ Jan 12 2006, 01:02 AM) [snapback]1016879[/snapback]

word trickery, its to make u more subdued when reading it, so your basicaly more susceptible to whats being said. Good theorys though, just backed up with nothing.


Oh, I get it. you're right.

It's the old Jedi Mind Trick. Orion isn't a normal person. He's a Sith Lord laying the mental mojo on unsuspecting readers.
Orion von Koch
No...Jomon

The Essence has always been. It is -- therefore “Is”-- is a state of being that shall always be in change and steadiness, unalterable in its state of Timelessness. All things are in, within and without (illusion) its essence. It has always been, though some of its parts cannot discern ALWAYS, since some parts begin and end sequences that seem final in their experiential states. The Essence is the realm we occupy in our many states of being whether in a linear state while existing in Time/Space and, or in a spiritual state where we are always present in a Timeless complexity where all is known and present. Some call this last state, Eternity. It is the root of being.

When one finds himself/herself deposited in Time/Space such as here on Earth as a person occupying a form as an “entity” in a physical state, utilizing that form as a means of motivation and communication – that circumstance of life seems to have a beginning and an end due to the condition/s of that state of being.

We are here to move in and through matter. Why is it so hard for lesser beings to know how moving the parts of this grand machine can create chaos unless total concentration of mind is applied properly? We must know the larger view of who made the lesser or reverse. Even this, being “made” may be unnecessary when one considers Timelessness. This study requires a trek in this physical realm and all its parameters of apparentness. We may have always been, and do not know what always means. What if there is no such thing as creating, where there is no mind to move? Therefore, mind is necessary if movement of such establishes linear Time and then Space to allow the presence of Time. Finally, through the realization of ourselves, enlightenment establishes a point of departure where we can understand the source of Timelessness. It has always been. It is the Is.

Everything is entwined within the light of the mind, which must move to know itself. Everything is Mind in motion…thus creating essence. This concentration within broadcast gets each and every minuscule elemental into leveraged motion that creates event-sequences locked in time and space. The goal is not to lose status, position, or self-control for “be-ness” in motion. If there were a loss, then becoming would not be the goal. To not create on the FLY is to suffer loss of leveragability. Those who do not move, die. Defeat is possible through acceptance of fear, loneliness, victimization, the void, or nonexistence. Defeat would also make us a casualty of our own lack of moral disposition. Here we open up the power to being defeated over and over if we do not become through the dawning of higher mental patterns of thought.
PLO
prove it, as i said, leibnez couldnt, and dont take this personaly but he was more intelligent than you were, he was in fact withing probably the top three most intelligent people in the world at the time. he couldnt prove it, you cant.

"Why is it so hard for lesser beings"

lesser beings?, wtf is that mate?, get a grip of yourself.
Turtle
Where's the tylenol?
Orion von Koch
...Prove you position first, the retort is yours.
Orion von Koch
...silence is golden.
jesspy
user posted image

here is a picture for you to colour in original.gif
Kryso
An interesting thread!

It’s been a while since I’ve read the entirety of such a long thread, and found myself looking from both sides of the discussion.

Orion von Koch, you have some interesting theories. But to debase and try and lesson others view simply because they don’t concur with your own, is the main reason others are getting cynical. Saying: "Why is it so hard for lesser beings" is not the best way to prevail in an argument! You instantly put a person’s back up. Who are you to judge others who you do not know?

Likewise, you theories are interesting, and I found them insightful and fascinating on many different levels. Maybe one day they might be proven right, or wrong; time will tell. But if you wish to get people to except your ideas, maybe the first step is listening to them as well. It might make your ‘people skills’ a little less rusty. But as I’ve already said, very interesting.

And to everyone else, one thing is to comment on a thread – to give you own comments and ideas - but to shred it to pieces, isn’t polite. Even if the poster is being rude. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. We don’t want UM to become a place that gangs up on someone who is simply stating a view (which I felt was happening as I was reading through). That said; if someone is being rude, it’s only right to defend yourself. But balance is needed.
QUICKY
If we are all in VR being controlled by higher beings and they enjoy it so much (like playing a game) and eventually start controlling more of us at once, would you say they become part of us and then actually become us ? Maybe thats how they survive and move on getting more intelligent. Dose that make sense to you Orion Von Koch
Orion von Koch
Hidden deeply in the current research and development surrounding the disciplines of Virtual Reality, there lurks a potentially new understanding of immortality and Divine Providence. Virtual Reality, which means the experiencing of an implied state of alternate being in a tacit environment of sensual stimuli that contributes to an illusionary or augmented reality for the one who experiences such, is about to blow the lid off of current philosophical and religious understanding. VR will literally shake the groundwork of all philosophies of reality and establish a new vortex of universal understanding in the mind of future humanity. We will soon see the roots and constructions of life, spirit, and matter through this new lens on tomorrow.

Virtual Reality is a human endeavor to participate in a computer-created world via computerized sensors such as viewing goggles, gloves or a total sensor-suit. Those who travel in this newly created world can experience a perceptual stimulus that approaches the visual and tactile expressions of reality. The Department of Defense and NASA have plans to converge robotics with VR to allow a cybernaut to travel, work, and fight in hostile environs while controlled by a human at a remote site. With such capabilities, we would be able to explore the universe from our own living rooms. Imagine putting on a head-mounted display and body-sensor suit that would correspond to sensors in a robot that might be millions of miles away -- say on Mars. You could actually become part of a cyber-being that would interact with the Martian environment. You would be able to experience all the wonders of such a far away place in a direct sensory manner.

No discovery or invention of man can hold a candle to the blue-white laser blast that is about to flash across the horizon of humanity's existence in this manifest state of earthly being. The automobile, television, space travel-- you name it, nothing means more to us than the idea that is hidden in the physics and metaphysics of Virtual Reality. This idea will serve as a point of departure to new dimensions of amplified being. The idea is the understanding of the meaning of Logos or Reason. If we are careful in this first step on the threshold of the absolute, we will begin to decipher the codes that will send us into the occupation of universe building.

How can this be? The last time mankind came so close to the gods; they gave the tower of Babylon its namesake with many languages to confuse the feebleminded being, which would dare to learn the meaning of life. This time, if we are cautious, we may finally join the lesser gods in springing into a whole new dimension of understanding. Virtual Reality, along with the understandings of Fractal Geometry, Nanotechnology, Holography, Laser-tech, and other leading-edge, computer driven technologies, will show us the way to how Deity and Its powerful energy or spirit can broadcast itself into the virtual reality that we all are experiencing at present...the universe.

According to Michael Heim, who wrote the 1993 version of The Metaphysics of Virtual Reality, there are seven divergent directions that VR research is moving through. They are: Simulation, Interaction (augmented reality), Artificiality, Immersion, Telepresence, Full-body Immersion, and Networked Communications. These seven directions will someday reconvene offering humanity the tools to recreate itself. Marry the newly advocated theory of a Holographic Universe touted by David Bohm, Karl Pribram and Michael Talbot, then charge its mathematics with Benoit Mandelbrot's Fractal Geometry (which can emulate all known visual universes) and we are on our way to seeing the deeper aspects of existence.

Virtual reality will soon allow us to become anyone, anything, anywhere, anyhow, any who-beings when we flip the switch and step into a high resolution, 3-dimensional visual-sound, pheromone aided environment. There, our real sensory systems will suffer a paradigm shift into a world augmented by heads-up displays of hypertext, cyberspace/form, and amplified knowledge available in a mirror-world context, at speeds that will seem like reality is blending into super-reality. We will be able to learn everything we learned in high school in a few short sessions. If Marshall McLuhan thought that television rendered high school obsolete, then VR will render education meaningless. All knowledge will be gestalt and inherent.
BigDaddy_GFS
OK. If you're going to make the claim that life itself is the product of intervention by higher beings.....then come out and say it!!!!

Quit meandering all around the barn, spouting pseudo-scientific nonsense and just let it out.

I THINK THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED BY GOD(S)!!!!!

There, I said what Orion would not say.

But such a statement is based on faith, not science. The premise that 'intelligent design' is a scientific theory, and NOT CREATIONSIM, is utter crap.

Belief in a higher power is fine with me. But telling me that it sin't Creaitionism is an insult to my intelligence.
Orion von Koch
Ever hear of David Bohm and Paul Davies?
Celumnaz
OVK, I think your posts are my favorite in this whole forum. I want to compile all your posts in a printout to read while on the throne... that's actually a compliment in case it didn't sound like one... I do some of my best thinking there...
Orion von Koch
Thank you. So do I and about 99% of the rest of the world.

It is time for the Burgeone. Humanity needs to make a quantum leap...I won't be here when it happens though...But, it will happen.
zoom7500
i wonder what would happen if you ran a barcode scanner over a zebra i wondered that science i was like 3
angrycrustacean
QUOTE(zoom7500 @ Jan 17 2006, 03:16 PM) [snapback]1026163[/snapback]

i wonder what would happen if you ran a barcode scanner over a zebra


Absolutely nothing. laugh.gif
Orion von Koch
And there goes the discussion...birdwalkers always come in with the SOS and disrupt any serious discussion just to show off. The society of cute.

Society of "Cute" in a World of Hurt

Mankind ignores the chaos of issues that impact learning. We want to make it better for our society, our children and their futures, but with the establishment of each new coalition and committee we only skirt around the real issues that hurt humanity. To look into ourselves for truth seems to strike fear in most of us. Our society has made the issues of this "secret subject" taboo to discussion. Why?

Some say the avoidance of the "unspeakable" starts before birth, others say it starts early in babyhood; when ever, the fact that some human entities receive massive support for "cuteness" is evident within virtually every aspect of American culture. One needs only to observe the shopping malls to see cuteness in action. Being cute is a condition that some of us are born with. It is having the looks and actions of expressiveness built within our needs to be loved or shown that we exist. Being cute is having beauty and attraction plus knowing how to use it. It is neither masculine nor feminine, but is a preoccupation of both genders. Over the history of being cute, it has been predominate within the domain of one gender at different times. As of the writing of this paper, the jury is currently out on which gender is more cute than the other. The obsession with this quality represents the basic sickness of our society, no matter who is to blame. Being cute is illusory...because it is built upon creating images or events through ulterior motives or false play for the selfish gratification of the person or our society.

Promoted within our society through media are the entities who seek to be as cute as they were when they were babies. Many position themselves in life's arena through outward appearances, verbiage, body-language, expression, role playing and even behavior that is the very reflection of early childhood. Ancient myth states that humanity became manifest or stuck in a physical form because the "Archetype" saw its reflection in the waters of the Earth and fell in love with its image, then the matter rose to wrap itself around the spirit form. The tree of "the knowledge of good and evil" also caused a deep reflection upon the self, thus causing mankind's expulsion from paradise. All that mythology aside… is cuteness the worship of the self?

As parents we start cuteness in the child by cooing, and pampering them with our over-exuberant, though true, feelings of love... but our pride is also involved. If the baby is beautiful, then that amplifies the parents. We are gratified with the added power that a cute little bundle-of-joy brings to our "leveraged" positioning for prestige in life. No parent really realizes that an over-reinforcement of cuteness is destined to create a spoiled brat that is only energized by adulation and fawning from others. Cute kids (and adults) not only want love, they demand it or else! Tantrums evolve into techniques of emotional blackmail as grown-ups seek to maintain advanced cuteness. Already-cute parents beget cute babies and compound the narcissism that breeds a greedy society.

Cuteness is in the eye of the observer and in the mind's-eye of the observed. Our brains have become inundated with criteria that culturally positions us to seek to be alluring or associate with others who are. If we are not beautiful, then some of us use illusions to broadcast a package or shell that is commonly accepted as cute-enough. Advertising and the media play upon society's compulsive obsession for an edge through image-posturing. Not only do our parents or peers reinforce being cute, but so do all other aspects of social influence...like schools.

Currently our nation's schools are a forum for the purveyance of "the society of cute."
Ninety percent of our teachers are practitioners and participators of the social experience that is directed at achieving a degree of cuteness for themselves and favored students. Programs are dedicated to reinforcing sagging egos needing an injection of cuteness ("self-esteem" projects). These programs which reinforce "poor-meism", "guilt tripping" and false play among our youths, solidifies into the polarizing of society. The privileged and the ugly become junkies to having or achieving cuteness. It becomes an opiate to their minds and they are trapped in the great society. The society of cuteness does not want their group/s to learn through sufferance or taking responsibility for building truth within themselves. Deference to "the society" is taken for granted by the same.

Since this shallow conditioning requires of participants a mutualism of flattery and sensitivity to favorite causes, collusion runs rampant in our schools. Cute people position themselves as ultra-unique, in their minds they are. Adulation from others is needed to stoke their egos; consequently, you will find most high school students are involved in social interface rather than learning truths. Most kids will do just about anything to be accepted by their peer groups or others. Some students find happiness in the sports, band or dance teams. They serve as forums for their campaigns of cuteness. It seems everyone wants to identify with the elitist-cute or those positioned by word of mouth or the media as being "in" (like Pop Culture stars).

Once a student gets a reputation for being cute, he/she could be in for a perpetuation of the process that only gets more acute as they go along. Cuteness can lead to any high position if you have the backing of others for whom the "image" means "cute-bucks." Politics is a great attractor for persons made of the above formula. Popularity and the psyche of an extrovert is next to being independantly wealthy. Of course this is always accomplished at the expense of those not so cute. "Haves" are cute, but "have-nots" are usually anathema.

For decades, America has been engulfed by the psychology of cute which sells the painted or feigned smile as its mark of the ultimate sophisticate. It is in truth a to finding love. Looking past the self and bringing the empowerment of LOVE to our future generations grimace. In animals a grimace is an expression of concession...like a dog laying on its back. In humanity it is usually a fake concession designed to reap more. If we humans constantly position, in order to make our lives easier, through illusory methods, we are conceding for unjustified gain. Many of our teachers, students and the public in general, have spent a lifetime learning how to hype the world through "cute" insincere methods, rather than face up to our responsibilities through knowledge and wisdom. If we take away all the false-play techniques of a cute personality, what remains of the individual? ...Illusions...which are nothing. When will intellect be on the other foot?
aquatus1
Just out of curiousity...since this is mostly Orion talking and not really debating or entertaining questions (and, of others pretty much just heckling or cheering), would this entire thread be better served as a blog?
BigDaddy_GFS
QUOTE(aquatus1 @ Jan 18 2006, 04:41 PM) [snapback]1026993[/snapback]

Just out of curiousity...since this is mostly Orion talking and not really debating or entertaining questions (and, of others pretty much just heckling or cheering), would this entire thread be better served as a blog?



Probably. Now, since Orion has lost his argument about how 'Zebra Stripes Prove Existence of God'....he's now preaching about adolescent peer pressure and the 'cute' factor.

These are not unsolved myseires...this is some lonely narcissistic egghead trying to prove his intellectual superiority to us unclean heathens.
Orion von Koch
No, I have not lost anything on the zebra theory. I merely put this concept up for those who understand how fractals work. The other comments are for those who seemed to need a little help. Some here seem to have a chip to carry about. Indeed, I usually ignore these folks due to their behavior.
Ancient World Wonders
PM OvK, ok? I would like to learn more about this theory. I've never heard of it before. I've recently gotten into all sorts of crazy things I can't explain and this falls into that category. But I have been into archaeology and pateotology for years.
*EnIgMa*
QUOTE(Orion von Koch @ Jan 10 2006, 05:29 PM) [snapback]1015428[/snapback]

Virtual Reality is a human endeavor to participate in a computer-created world via extra-electro-sensors such as viewing goggles, gloves or a total sensor-suit. Those who travel in this newly created world can experience perceptual stimuli that approach the visual and tactile expressions of reality. The Department of Defense and NASA have converged robotics with VR to allow a cybernaut to travel, work, and fight in hostile environs while controlled by a human at a remote site. With such capabilities, we will be able to explore dimensionless universes from our own living rooms.

Imagine putting on a head-mounted display and body-sensor suit that would correspond to sensors in a robot that might be millions of miles away -- say on Mars. You could actually become part of a cyber-being that would interact with the Martian environment. You would be able to experience all the wonders of such a far away place in a direct sensory manner.

One wonders -- would living through this vehicle eventually displace your understanding of true reality? What if you could program its memory with yours, then allow someone else on another shift to pick up and continue with his experiments and program his thoughts in the same robot? Each day the robot would become more sophisticated as its experiences multiplied. Later we could add new advances in micro-machines and nanotechnology to create an evolving robot that would actually grow physically toward higher accomplishments. It could be programmed to repair itself and perhaps even give a cyber-birth to new cyber-forms that would assist you in your exploration.

With new additions being developed back on Earth you could even get the feeling that you were on that planet instead of your robotic vehicle. You might get so good at controlling more than one robot at a time that you would become a family or a nation of robots letting you experience the grandeur of multiple personalities. What fun! I have done this with my XBOX and its games.

Intertwined in this "fun" experience are the length, width, breadth and timelessness of the greatest mystery of the universe. If we can attain the above experience via VR in this rudimentary human invention, who is to say that this is not what is already happening through Godhead at this very instance. It was said we were created in his image. Who can refute that we are all an experiment of a higher being that is currently enjoying a broadcast reality via quantum particles that are electromagnetically constituted into this reality that we think we are experiencing right now. Hindu, the oldest religion on Earth, speaks of the One with no second, who lives through all of us in his "playing." Is God playing life through us and we just forgot that we are part of another realm where experiencing a VR is the preoccupation of timelessness?

Think of your own becoming. When you were conceived you and your DNA program came into a body that was new and hard to maneuver in a physical state. God's VR has a learning curve. You had to get familiar with the new apparatus. REASON or mind began to learn to use the Holy Temple.

When a baby first arrives on Earth he/she is mentally more a part of everything or what some call the other or the essence. Some say we are actually smarter at birth and just learn to be somatically stupid. During the first few months, ego has not yet made its stand against the universe. The ego-image has not yet formed until it begins to observe itself in the eye of the other. Mirroring sets the self into a reality that is shown or received via sensors. Sensory experiences create the other for the individual. Soon you will learn to forget where you came from because of the dictates of this state. Learning to live in this physical world is our crux of being...to become.

We learn to stand upon our experiences as a cushion from the void (a place we only know of in another state). The void represents the unknown or feeling of loneliness. If we are not observed by the other, we begin to feel lonely as if we do not exist. Recognition and observation is basic to (quantum) being for all that makes up the universe. Worthiness began to set the stage for worship when mankind sought to remember his being in this physical state. Religion was once the science of that being.

The last time mankind came so close to the gods, they gave the tower of Babylon its namesake with many languages to confuse the feebleminded being, that would dare to learn the meaning of life. This time, if we are cautious, we may finally join the lesser gods in springing into a whole new dimension of understanding. Virtual Reality, along with the understandings of Fractal Geometry, Nanotechnology, Holography, Laser-tech, and other leading-edge, computer driven technologies, will show us the way to how Deity and Its powerful energy or spirit can broadcast itself into the virtual reality that we all are experiencing at present...the universe.

According to Michael Heim, who wrote the 1993 version of The Metaphysics of Virtual Reality, there are seven divergent directions that VR research is moving through. They are: Simulation, Interaction (augmented reality), Artificiality, Immersion, Telepresence, Full-body Immersion, and Networked Communications. These seven directions will someday reconvene offering humanity the tools to recreate himself. Marry the newly advocated theory of a Holographic Universe touted by David Bohm, Karl Pribram and Michael Talbot, then charge its mathematics with Benoit Mandelbrot's Fractal Geometry (which can emulate all known visual universes) and we are on our way to seeing the deeper aspects of existence.

Virtual reality will soon allow us to become anyone, anything, anywhere, anyhow, anywho-beings when we flip the switch and step into a high resolution, 3-dimensional visual-sound, pheromone aided environment. There, our real sensory systems will suffer a paradigm shift into a world augmented by heads-up displays of hypertext, cyberspace/form, and amplified knowledge available in a mirror-world context, at speeds that will seem like reality is blending into super-reality. We will be able to learn everything we learned in high school in a few short sessions. If Marshall McLuhan thought that television rendered high school obsolete, then VR will render education meaningless. All knowledge will be gestalt and inherent.

Total access will be at our behest. You will be able to live through any animal; dive to the depths of your own blood stream; repair your own body from within, live in deep space in a robot body that will become your home or work away from home, and when the robot sleeps you repair and feed (energize) it and yourself. You may even share in your robots dreams. You will be able to visit virtual worlds within virtual worlds and might even lose yourself and die in a virtual world before realizing that you really are alive in your own living room. Of course, you may really be dead.

Can you see what I am showing you? Who is to say whether or not our lives are really virtual realities for ourselves or a higher form. Localization is suspect. Where do you truly exist? The ancient Essenes said that you exist as spirit or animator occupying a form. You are eternal the form is an experience. Modern day religions say the same thing. Is religion really technology that we think is magical but its really VR in true syntax. Sumerian texts say that the gods came to earth to work the gold mines and became tired. They made a lesser man (via genetic engineering?) and dismembered (divided) a god to use his breath or spirit to drive the beings they made. Many ancient religions such as the Aztecs, Egyptians and others speak of the many faceted god that occupies all of us in our clay-based bodies.

What we are learning today about evolving Physics (another word for Godhood) in Quantum areas, shows us that locating the being on one level is extremely difficult at another level. Flesh and blood or "meat" as William Gibson referred to our bodies in his book Neuromancer, is matter that is glued together by a matrix of being driven by the irradiating force of a peculiar light. This thinking, vibrant mind-form seems to be on board a body but is extremely elusive when brain studies are conducted. What animates our brains and remembers, acts exactly like a holographic entity because it does not necessarily lose its memory even when 90% of the brain is inactive or cut away. A hologram that is fragmented can reconstitute the original when light is passed through the part. The part knows the whole. The holographic-like brain seems to act as an interface to reality--a lens of complex sensory capability that allows a spirit to manipulate the toys of a dimensional virtual reality via waves and interference waves of information animated in feedback loops.

Now do you see the power that virtual reality will have to totally transform our civilization? Recently, I explained this to my Son-in-law who is a preacher and is working toward his doctorate. I am a very spiritual man that can see the changing face of Deity, he is a religious man that may not be able to see the changing of a God that is continuously becoming. What will virtual reality do to our beliefs, our professions, our culture, our lives? Suffice to say it will be like kicking in the after-burners to our psyches.

To our collective psyches, all of our religious writings suggest that at the core of those impassioned words lie the secret and the truth of our reality? God gave us being and the Word -- REASON. Reason or mentality is our existence within the somatic-vehicular experience. Our bodies are our holy temples or means of motivation in a physical state. We should not do harm to our Holy Temples. We should love our neighbors as we love ourselves, because we are our neighbors and at the end of this VR we'll learn that we did all those dirty deeds to ourselves.

Today almost all members of our scientific community are gradually coming to realize that reality is indeed beyond our current theories and some have suggested that our environ is God...the god of Omni-technology...the quantum self. Some say that the universe is a massive computer where numbers are the language that it creates its virtual reality from.

David Bohm, Paul Davies and others marveled that mankind could even contemplate the universe, what Bohm called the holomovement -- a realm that is a manifestation or a broadcast of Being. How can mankind even think about something so magnificent as the makeup of himself and the universe?

Quantification is the key here -- to assign REASON is to measure knowing in a physical state. This universe may be a combination of VR, quantum physics, nanotechnology, holography, fractal geometry, plasma physics, computational mirroring, inherent cosmological understanding and much more. The possibility that we may discover the truth of what we are, might just be found in the Virtual Reality Synergism.

Over the next few years mankind will be subjected to the possibility of universal knowing on a scale that could only be called a "revelation." Soon we may all learn that all those ancient words that our ancestors were in awe of will suddenly come into a living understanding that will cause a new birth. This new birth will amount to a being full of billions and billions of experiences incorporated to embark upon a new direction of higher cognition and spirituality. Then, mankind will leave this "wheel" and graduate to things that we can only dream of -- unless our dreams are the reality of this VR?

Look at the screen in front of you as you read this concept. The cursor or leading edge of your thoughts feed back into the computer is virtually you. What we see in two dimensions will someday expand into many dimensions. The key is to see the symbolism of what is apparently being fed to us via our own intellects. Read what he is showing us.

To think that this "Leap of Fate" could happen was once laughed at by skeptics, but they probably have not had the experience of even the current versions of Virtual Reality. If you ever have a VR experience, then you can also...think of all the possibilities. See you on the next wheel.

Alright man, I may not agree with everything you say, but...I will say one thing...That was an impressive post, for real...Really interesting. thumbup.gif I'm right into thinking about stuff like that...
Adramaleck
Orion -

You seem intelligible and posess a fairly diverse vocabulary. However, most of your theories seem a priori. While this is not quite a bad thing, since all great conceptions come before knowledge, empericism is needed. I enjoy your posts; many of your comments are based off common knowledge connected in uncommon ways - much in the same way my own mind works. They also are worded in such a way most people of average intelligence could grasp them therefore encouraging meditative reflection of seemingly unrelated things among peers. Some here like to put others down and attempt to revoke one's right to free speech, as do they everywhere. They must have forgotten their place - as an equal, as we all are.

As for the fractal zebras, I do not believe zebras or any other animal appreciate asthetics in their corporal form; survival is their chalice. On the savannah, the stripes break their form up through the eyes of a color-blind predator, much in the same way plad does for hunters. Good thing zebras arn't plad.
Alien_child
Zedbras have the stripes because God made them that way
Orion von Koch
Indeed, God (the law/s that runs this show) gave us the tools to make them that way. But there are set mathematical standards for how these fractals work. I gave my textbook away to one of my fine students the last day I taught, but I know it has a fractal that if laid upon the coat of a horse it would look like a zebra. The ancients had the ability to use mathematics to a higher degree than most of us know. The Egyptians understood concepts that we are only now finding out about. If they had access to genetic engineering, and that engineering was "open" to computerized manipulation, a designer could impose a fractal pattern upon a being. We will be doing this by 2050 if not sooner.

One thing is for sure, the ancients knew more than we do now and that is evident from studying the Vedic Traditions, Jomon Aesthetics, Egyptians and much more. Their engineering feats were beyond our own. Balkec (sp) where the old fortress still stands has a 1000 ton stone worked and ready to place. 800 ton lithics are already in place. we cannot do this easily or at all even now. I know...I worked with a company who does this stuff and we were proud when we moved 200 tons. To place these stones as perfectly as they did, is almost impossible.

If you guys would study science, as many here do, you would know that we are rapidly approaching that same level now. But, given a great Earth catastrophe, it could all be blown away. Only parts would exist to start over...we live there now.
Orion von Koch
In mankind's pathway toward enlightenment, he has passed through echelons called lodges or houses (event sequences). He has passed through the Red or Rosy stage and now stands peering from the dark or Black lodge. Its symbol is the scale of justice (Libra), and it represents the knowledge of Good verses Evil. This stage for human trial is located on the edge of the void where only extreme blackness greets the hidden face of fear. The fear we find with the dark unknown can only be conquered by learning the Truth via selfless Love, what some have called the Logos or Reason. If humanity can individually and then collectively overcome this fear where darkness and ignorance emanates from, then we may attain the Great Lodge of Light and no longer be shackled, but free.

The secrets of humanity still lie hidden in the archaeology of the past and in the dig sites located deep within our minds. No other man or woman can help you attain the knowledge of individual beness, unless Love is involved for Oneness. Each of us are born alone and we depart alone. Our lives are a consequence of our own making. We must become seekers of this inner and outer conundrum by searching the pages of the-days-of-our-lives for the consequences of our being. To understand our part in humanity we must search the ancient records for the messages sent into the future to establish our destiny. If we enlighten ourselves, the way is crystal clear. If we are fearful and self-oriented we play false with others and create a world full of mental pollution. Each of us tries to make decisions built upon lies and illusions that we have come to believe as fact. All of us stare into the face of the unknown, for there is no Truth in a liberally established interpretation (basis: the Garden of Eden). When a society permits each other's aberrations to rise in favor, so as to defray guilt, that society becomes more guilty via permissive habit. To participate with amplifying guilt is to build a wall of gratification that hides the void and the Truth. Fears go inside to eat at the soul and body of the entity or the nation. Disease is the result...the law of consequences takes over.
Turtle
QUOTE(Orion von Koch @ Jan 25 2006, 11:52 AM) [snapback]1035460[/snapback]

In mankind's pathway toward enlightenment, he has passed through echelons called lodges or houses (event sequences). He has passed through the Red or Rosy stage and now stands peering from the dark or Black lodge. Its symbol is the scale of justice (Libra), and it represents the knowledge of Good verses Evil. This stage for human trial is located on the edge of the void where only extreme blackness greets the hidden face of fear. The fear we find with the dark unknown can only be conquered by learning the Truth via selfless Love, what some have called the Logos or Reason. If humanity can individually and then collectively overcome this fear where darkness and ignorance emanates from, then we may attain the Great Lodge of Light and no longer be shackled, but free.

The secrets of humanity still lie hidden in the archaeology of the past and in the dig sites located deep within our minds. No other man or woman can help you attain the knowledge of individual beness, unless Love is involved for Oneness. Each of us are born alone and we depart alone. Our lives are a consequence of our own making. We must become seekers of this inner and outer conundrum by searching the pages of the-days-of-our-lives for the consequences of our being. To understand our part in humanity we must search the ancient records for the messages sent into the future to establish our destiny. If we enlighten ourselves, the way is crystal clear. If we are fearful and self-oriented we play false with others and create a world full of mental pollution. Each of us tries to make decisions built upon lies and illusions that we have come to believe as fact. All of us stare into the face of the unknown, for there is no Truth in a liberally established interpretation (basis: the Garden of Eden). When a society permits each other's aberrations to rise in favor, so as to defray guilt, that society becomes more guilty via permissive habit. To participate with amplifying guilt is to build a wall of gratification that hides the void and the Truth. Fears go inside to eat at the soul and body of the entity or the nation. Disease is the result...the law of consequences takes over.


WOW!!
Wonderful posting Orion!!!!
Orion von Koch
All of us stare into the face of the unknown, for there is no Truth in a liberally established interpretation (basis: the Garden of Eden). When a society permits each other's aberrations to rise in favor, so as to defray guilt, that society becomes more guilty via permissive habit. To participate with amplifying guilt is to build a wall of gratification that hides the void and the Truth.

I tire of those who are flippant with the truth that is destroying humanity...Those who cajole, are to be feared, for they seek to destroy those who are potentially deep in intellect.

zoom7500
alien.gif alien child is right
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