Okay, I have no idea if this has been posted before, since I'm new, but here goes:

I don't remember who it was, but there's an archaeologist in the UK/Bermuda who has an interesting theory about all of this. There are so many things in the ancient world that we have no idea for sure how they happened (building of the pyramids, weird Mayan things, for example). In many ancient texts, a story of the flood is a common theme/story. Along with this is that deserts are evaporated lakes basically and that most deserts in the world aren't any older than 5000 or 6000 years old or so. Apparently, he and his colleagues find advanced ancient stuff that nobody can explain where they came from.

This guy's theory is that there was a very advanced civilization that got wiped out by a catastrophe (a flood have you), but there were survivors. These survivors then started again by building Sumeria and Egypt, and what have you. This could explain how those cultures were so advanced.

I didn't explain it well, but what do you guys think of this?

Interesting? But have you got a link to this info?

But we do know how they built the pyramids... it's not impossible to do it without advanced technology by any means... it's a common mis-conception.

I heard him on this radio show in the US...you guys may have heard of it. Coast to Coast AM, it can go international too I believe. I'm going to try and get a link for you to his site.

EDIT: http://www.archaeologyanswers.com/
his site sort of sucks, but it has some interesting stuff on it. He's much more persuasive when he speaks.

Rich, well, even so, the pyramids are a pretty odd anomaly I think. They're lined up perfectly with three stars. That takes some immense knowledge. It also takes some immense knowledge to be able to make that massive of a structure with stones that heavy. Technology is a commonly misconcepted term too. We think of technology as computers, but really that's not what it is.

The problem is anyone can get on the radio and say anything they want. What about credentials?


Pseudoscience sucks!!!

How can you believe anybody? Isaac Newton invented Calculus to prove his theories correct (well he didn't really invent it, but..he discovered it again)...how can you trust anything?

Secrets that they don't want you ot know. But, 'll tell you the secretsfor $69.95 !!! That's all it'll cost you to be the first on your block to know the secrets that no one else will tell you!

If this guy was really out ot briig the world up to date then he would charge a reasonable fee, or put it on the net for free and take donations to cover his advertising costs. And by the miricle of the internet, here's a hyperlink! WWW.WHACKJOB@NUTCASE.COM

Astrology has been around a long time you know...



There are several ways they could have done it, all using materials readily available at the time. All it needed was skill in engineering, which the egyptians also had in abundance. Some research would tell you this, do a Google search for "How pyramids were built".



No we don't, we think of it as a device or contraption made to help humans do something they could otherwise not accomplish.

I think a lot of the "unexplainable" artifacts dug up around the world are the result of individual geniuses. So some ancient greek built a small clock of bronze. That doesn't mean everyone had one or that he got the plans from Atlantis or Aliens. Genius people think up new stuff all the time.

And prehistoric art that looks like modern objects is bunk too. Artist experiment with weird symbology all the time. If in 2000 years they dig up a ten foot fork, it doesn't mean that there once were 120 foot people.

There undoubtedly was very strange and probably unique items made in prehistory, but it was likely just an individual genius, who died without passing that technology on.

All it basically took to build the pyramids was time and manpower.

Look at DaVinci (no not the damnable 'code'), among his sketches were plans for what appear to be a helicopter. Individual genius, as has been stated before, are those who can harness the power of their imagination to create something new.

Look at Edison and the electric lamp.

The Montgolfier brothers.

Oh, wait, please tell me you don't think they were 'ancients', or aliens too.....

yea, they were so advanced that they didn't even think of protecting themselves from a flood....very smart if you ask me.

Search for sitchin...Annunaki...strange ancient artifacts...you will get loads of stuff...use your search bar well may the force be with you
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I wouldn't buy his stuff, BUT I think sort of logically his idea is kind of cool if you ask me. If you were wiped out, you wouldn't have all the advanced stuff you once had right away. All of your infrastructure, reference, and experts would be wiped out.

If he had a better site, and maybe more cridentials people would listen to him. But his only cridentials are that he's searched stuff for the past 40 years.

Mate come on have you not even read the site? it contains the biggets load of rubbish I have ever seen in my life...

This is what I received via en email newsletter when I signed up...



It replies on completely gullible people... and do you now maybe think that there's a REASON that afteer 40 years he still has a crappy website and no credibility? The man is a complete fraud, like so many with sites and sales-pitches just like that... if he was truly dedicated to science he wouldn't be getting you to pay to see the history-changing information.

Sheesh... complete BS.

Don't know about This guy to whom you refer....
But it seems there is a tremendous quantity of evidence that a) we don't know what we think we do; and there were some advanced civs around long ago.
I'm not convinced that (and this attitude comes from being a scientist of sorts, an electronics engineer in control systems) science is the last word on anything, least of all medicine and archaeology. Too many things I've encountered that don't make common sense, too many theories likewise.
A fellow many years ago, Frank Edwards, was a reporter and compiled several books on strange and different things. Among those were some artifacts that were what is called OOPArt (Out Of Place Artifacts). Dig around and you can find many items that make no sense, such as what appears to be a spark plug found inside a geode several hundred thousand years old (California); a wrought gold chain inside a chunk of coal supposedly ten million years old (Pennsylvania); the reported use of liquids of various types to temper metals (India), and so on. The list is very long.
Most of the above are ignored by 'conventional wisdom', or academia.
If one searches long enough, hard enough, and thinks about the whole thing, it seems it would be easy to come up with a theoretical version of world history quite different from what the academics would have us believe. Why? I have no idea, other than possible 'socially acceptable' theories; but those theories don't necessarily fit the facts.

Many of you might disagree with me... but...

I think that it is difficult for human's today to possibly accept the fact that there may have been ancient cultures far more advanced (and probably more intelligent) than we are today.

Regarding the pyramids: I find it amusing that theories about the construction are so simple (and quite ridiculous), such as using logs and slaves to pull enormous stones a great distance in order to build the structures. Not to mention the feat it must have been for them to carry (or pull) these stones into the air to place them on top of each other. (Similiar theories regarding Easter Island and Stonehenge.)

I also find it peculiar that there are depictions of flying machines (such as helicopters) engraved within the pyramids.

Perhaps an ancient civilization did exist. Maybe the global scattering of advanced people derived from Atlantis.

More frustrating than anything is the idea that we might never truly know.

Anyone ever hear of the reverse evolution theory? Like we actually evolved into apes, instead of from them. We were a highly advanced civilization, but then (yes again) a catastrophe wiped us all out, and we had to learn how to survive on our own, in the wild, eventually evolving into the apes monkeys of today. But some of us survived and went on to continue life, but without the knowledge once held.
^ It sounds out-there, but it is actually interesting to think about. i don't believe it, but I don't believe in evolution either. I just consider it a very probable explanation.







Mind Freak has spoken!

Evolving into apes/ monkeys is interesting. But what happened to intelligence? Humans continued to live with intelligence, but those that became apes/ monkeys relinquished their intelligence somehow?

yes. If you read any of Graham Hancock's work, this idea of a past advanced civilization is at the core of his theories. I am an advanced cynic but even I question accepted theories of man's history on this planet. The earth is believed to be 4.5 billion years old. Humankind, in diffent forms could have evolved into advanced societies many times over during that time and I suspect that we have.
There are a growing number of 'out of place artefacts' appearing that pose too many questions, the only answer to which is to shut them away from the public eye. The best existing example is the piri reis map which clearly shows an ice free antarctica and the coast of south america in great detail. Antarctica on this map is shown to be free of ice. The most peculiar aspect of this map is that its 'greenwich meridian' is based on Alexandria,Egypt.
The piri reis map has been examined by hundreds of cartographers and scientists and none has claimed it to be a fake. The exisiting piri reis map is but a fragment remaining from what is believed to have been a world map and even more disturbing was the claim by piri reis himself that the map is just a copy of a much earlier copy of a copy!
Particular ancient cultures like the Maya and the ancient Egyptians pose very difficult questions to serious scientists, like how could such essentially primitive people develop such advanced knowledge of mathematics and astronomy.....yet not understand the principle of the wheel or be able to weigh a bag of corn(in the case of the Maya)?
Why would the ancient egyptians go to such enormous lengths to reproduce thru their pyramids an exact replica of a fairly obscure star system, on earth?

First, thank you for those who know what I was talking about to begin with and backing me up.

I think other people have misunderstood me. The ONLY thing I was saying was that it's the man I heard 75% of the things for. I wasn't telling you to buy his crap!! If you think logically, it's just as plausible as any other theory out there regarding ancient cultures! give me a break....I am a BIG skeptic, but this stuff I actually believe.

its all circumstantial evidence. if there was an advanced civilization on earth we would have known about it en masse. now ther is this threory about an ancient city in india that is radio active? ever hear about it? the walls of the buildings are "fused" together by what looks like an intense heat. some people say it is evidence of nuclear war at some time in the distant past.

heres what i say...

sooooo....what u are telling me, is that ancient humans, who lived in stone aged stone built houses, actually developed nuclear weapons........ hmmmmm.....and then nuked them selves out of existance? so they had stone aged houses....hmmmm yep, they obviously had atomic technology. yeah right. poppycock.

try this simple explanation:

humans in the stone age noticed that in their fire pits, the rocks would fuse together, or maybe the dirt would fuse. so they said "hey, we dont have to mine stone to build with, lets get some wood and make forms and then fill the forms with dirt and small rocks. then we'll throw a bunch more wood around the forms" " and then when it's windy, we will light it all on fire" the fire would have fused the dirts together, and their walls would have been sturdy enough to support a roof.

hey, it's advanced technology if you ask me. building a solid wall with out having to support it makes sense to me.

and dont tell me fire doesnt get hot enough. you try it. get a shop vac blower and once your fire has burnt through the wood nicely, turn it on. ive melted steel and dirt many times while forging knives and such. it comes out like volcanic glass.

my point?

simple. imagination is powerfull. just dont let it run away with all your commonsense.

And just because a site says that an object was dated at one million years or was found at a preCambrian level of geology doesn't make it so. There are people out there who will tell you anything to sell what they have. Even if it is only an idea.

There is a lot of weird things out there and there was many advanced individuals in the past. But, I doubt there was some ancient super-civilization. There would be more evidence.

I do like to read through the OOPArt web-sites now and then, but I generally regard the objects as being misrepresented.

I for one, am with you. although many others like to have something for their imaginations to mull over. sometimes being a realist on this site causes a stir but too darn bad!

Yeah, people get carried away in their own heads sometimes. That theory I mentioned before, I have no idea where I heard it, but it sounded kinda strange so I remembered it. It seems a lot of people on this site have a little diarrhea of the mouth, and a little constipation of the brain!











Mind Freak has spoken!

Yeah, that's where the "Theory" lost me too...









Mind Freak has spoken!

Looking at his website is discouraging, since the guy is obviously focused more on selling his books than he is on promoting his research. Note how he posts no links on sources, nor lists footnotes. Even more discouraging is the fact that he seems to believe in magic. But here is my review of his "Egypt" section:





He posits no proof, no pictures of this machinery, not even any attempts at explaining when and where these things were supposedly used.




I have heard of the map of Antarctica, but I believe it is actually Phoenician, not Egyptian. And naturally, like I said before, he posts no proof or pictures of the claims he is making.




Again, he's being vague. First of all, where is his proof for this? Work done by actual archaeologists (like this study done by the Archaeology department of the American University in Beirut), showed that although Egyptians did minor oral surgery, there is no evidence of any oral work on the gums, nor any evidence of replacing teeth.




If anyone has any links to this, it would be nice. I couldn't find anything other than ArchaeologyAnswers links on two different search engines. The site author certainly didn't provide any.




Notice how vague he is about all of this. What, exactly, were these egyptian pregnancy tests? The Egyptians certainly did not lack for magical rituals or charms for getting a child, but do they count as effective? What counts as a 'sophisticated' instrument for surgery? The egyptians DID drill holes into skulls to relieve pressure, but that's hardly sophisticated. That's not to mention that their medical science and knowledge of the functions of the human body were markedly inferior to modern science (i.e. they believed the human heart to be the center of knowledge and thought).




Naturally, he posts no pictures, no descriptions beyond vague - no actual proof of his claims. If he was serious about being an archaeologist, you'd think that he would have submitted this to peer review. It's not as if there has never been a lost civilization found before; the Hittites disappeared from almost all memory for nearly 3000 years before rediscovery.



Again, he posts no pictures of the doors that open by sound, nor posits a mechanism for how they opened by sound.

of course the doors opened by sound. This one I believe.

An overseer or Pharoah would yell "Open the Door!" and the slaves hustled to comply......

the first steam engines were produced by Heron of ALexandria around 50ad, unfortunatly they never realised that they could use his designs for conbustion engines, probably becuase there was no need, slaves done the work for them so why bother?. These mechanisms were also used to open doors automaticaly when someone came near, and arhimedes even had designs for steam powered ballistic weapons. Its strange to think we were on the the verge of an industrial revolution 2000 years ago.

As for egyptians they certainly utilised electricity by conducting metal with acids to charge batteries and possibly to create light, there are some hyrogplyphs of what look like lamps projecting large beams of light towards things, bbut that could just be representing oil lamps, but with the fact they had electricity who knows?.

Greeks also "borrowed" much of their technology and science from the egyptians and took credit it for themselves, but with the burning of the great library one of the most hienaous crimes in history we'll never truly know the extent of their technology.

Oh yeah and this will be an old age debate, if teh egyptians did build the pyramids, they certainly didnt use the technology afforded to them at the time, that is indesputible. What he staes about their drilling technology is true, many engineers[seen on television countelss of time in various interviews] have basicaly walked away shaking their heads at the lvl of rpms it would take to burrow out such granite blocks with precision far beyond anythign we have today, in truth we just dont know, apart from probably those sneaky egyptian goverment who are extrmely edgy about work being doen in and around the pyramids, unless of course the price is right.

Well it has been explained, and it has been shown possible.
I don't know if we could make a pyramid of that standard now, but say if we couldn't, that means absolutely nothing apart from that the Egyptians were more advanced in pyramid building than we are.

Here is something to collaborate this line of thinking.



(I am pretty sure this is the statue, even it it isn't it doesn't particularly matter, it is a statue very like this one at least)

This statue (ha) is commonly regarded as one of the finest Greek statues to have ever been found. It was found in Riace, in the sea and is thought to possibly be Poseidon due to the beard along with the fact that is was found in the sea- possibly thrown in there as an offering.
Sculpters today have tried to re create it, but have failed. They have found it impossible to re create.

They can't do it.
They cannot recreate this ancient statue with all the technology we have now.

Does this mean the statue was made my aliens or people from the imaginary civilisation of Atlantis? No, of course it doesn't.

I don't know if we could re create the Great Pyramid today, but even if we couldn't, I think this example demonstrates that really means very little. The Egyptians perfected the construction of pyramids, just as the Greeks perfected the art of sculpture.

Interesting... what made it so difficult to reproduce?

The precision of the veins, the musculature and general expertise used to make it etc. Sounds odd, but we really cannot recreate this, the Greeks were better sculpters.
I am not a sculptur, so I can't be hugely informative on the matter, but it is what I have been taught and seen.

It is a good example of how just because we can't do something now, doesn't mean that we couldn't do it in the past, within a logical capacity ie. not a super advanced civilisation or aliens.

"yea, they were so advanced that they didn't even think of protecting themselves from a flood....very smart if you ask me."


so they were as advanced as the state of new orleans then...........

or should i say the whole of the u.s? modern world?

Odd...I just finished reading the freemason thread here.

we are supposed to be advanced too, can we protect ourselves from a massive flood, huh?

I will tell you how the ancients could have built the pyramids and even why.

The individual blocks are floated on rafts to the base of the pyramid. It was a lot wetter in the 4th dynasty and the Nile could have beeen higher.

All it takes to move a block up one level are large wooden levers and some people to put some shoring under the block. A lever has a short arm and a long arm. According to the rule of Archimedes, one can lift a large object a short distance by many people pulling on the long arm. Then people stick stuff under the block, so it won't sink back down. Then the gang of people with levers get ready for the next rise, and on a coordinated command, they all raise the block a small distance. In perhaps 20 minutes, they could move a huge block from one level to the next. This is repeated to move the block up to the top level. It is dragged on a horizontal over a wet mud trackway. Put enough people on enough ropes, and even 20 ton blocks can be moved.

As for why pyramids are found around the globe === they are a form that is very stable and can withstand earthquakes.

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Not to mention that they are probably one of the easiest shapes to build, because 87.5% of the mass is in the lower half of the pyramid. It is a shape that is relatively easy to build upwards from the ground, as you can see when you build sand castles on the beach. It's easy to build a stable sand pyramid, but very difficult to build a stable sand tower.

but a four pointed square base is less structuraly secure than a three pointed base.

True, but it's still much easier than a traditional European tower (essentially a cylinder).

true but if it was a matter of structural integrity, why the four sided base?

Because it almost certainly wasn't a merely structural concern; political concerns, along with the limited knowledge of the Egyptian builders, were involved.

so with all these apparent difficulties they opted for an even harder structure to build?

Do you mean 'construction difficulties'? Then yes, and it is not unheard of. You might as well ask why we bother building multi-storied buildings at all, since they are certainly much more difficult structurally than single-level homes. And the answer is the same as mine above: there are other concerns beyond the structural.

Everyone familiar with the concept of E.L.E. otherise known as Extinction Level Event? How about N.E.L.E, or Near Extinction Level Event. Consider this posibilty.......

A large meteor strikes the planet, or a super volcano erupts and the result is the the Earh's climate is severely disrupted. The disruption is not enough to kill all life, just most of it. As a result of the massive dust cloud or combination of sulfuric acid and ash, the planet is subjected to massive amounts of precipitation and starved of sunlight. The result would be the rapid developement of an Ice Age. Now consider construction materials and technology. What are there basis? The same as ours or different. Could they be based on cellulose or ceramics? Either is entirely possible. Given that either type of natural disaster could result in massive amounts of volcanic activity which would just fuel the cool down effect, the surface of hte earth would under go drastic changes. You know land becomes sea, sea becomes land, and things get buried. Eventually glaciation would occur. Once glaciation occured, anything in the path of the glacier would get ground to dust. Things that got covered in water would eventuallly disentegrate. The only thing that would survive were odd items here and there, and items that were buried in the right place.

Either type of event would doom the civilization that it affected. That could explain seemingly random mysterious finds of items indicating advanced society. Particularly the rumored items found in coal. Although, I would like to see concrete evidence of that. In fact, that is how I found this site. I was looking to see if there was anywhere with concrete info on the subject. Most websites I have run across are secular and working off anecdotal evidence. Personally, I would like to see independent proof. Although, I would have to agree with the secular sector in feeling that Carbon-14 dating has a myriad of problems. Finding a radioactive isotope is only useful as a dating tool if the exact quantity of starting material is known. I won't go into the differential equations needed to work that out. Individual genius is also a valid consideration.

However, you still have the whole problem of how you go from cave drawing to complex pictographic text. The area between the two is rather gray and open to interpretation. In other words what happened between cavemen and recorded history?

There are lots of people who theorize that advanced ancient civilizations existed. Just because this dude has a dodgy website and charges for his secrets doesn't mean the subject should be discounted.

There are many anomalies that cannot be explained by science and the version of history we have been taught.

What about the Nazca lines in Peru? They are huge drawings of animals, shapes and other figures on the ground that are at least 2000 years old. They are so big (kilometres, some of them) that they cannot be perceived from the ground.

Why would the ancient artists bother spending God knows how many years creating these designs if they could not get high enough to see them? It's a mystery. Maybe they could.

As history and nature has shown us, things tend to go in circles.
If our ancestors suffered some kind of mass amnesia, be it a near extinction level event, or something else, consider the possibilities, that life did not start on earth.

What if life started elsewhere, and we are merely the result of an attempt to populate earth, with our home planet destroyed. What if we were placed here with limited knowledge in an attempt to start over.
It would certainly explain why the pyramids in Egypt and certain other pyramids around the world align perfectly with stars, which could theoretically point to our original birthplace, a planet we once inhabited.

In the same way we are now exploring planets like Mars for terraforming and re-population to escape a dying planet, we could have been placed here thousands of years ago for that very same reason. To escape a dying planet.

This would also explain the advanced technologies present in the construction of the pyramids. At similar times, on opposite sides of the world, advanced civilizations built structures very similar in shape and with similar techniques, without meeting each other. Do you not find this strange?

An if we did evolve, why are we the only superior beings on this planet, capable of thought and reason. Surely the circumstances that forced us to evolve would have affected other animals as well. If climatic conditions were the reason for our evolution, then other animals in our proximity would have been affected in very similar ways.

If you look at deities around the world in all different religions, they all point to a superior being that created what we have come to know...What if we were those deities.

Well, first of all, we have a very, very good idea of how most ancient structures were created. The pyramids, myan structures, aztec structures, Stonehenge, the Easter Island statues and any other ancient buildings are really not they complicated. They could all be built using human labor and simple knowledge of levers, pullies, and wedges.

Flood stories are common because they happen almost everywhere. If a large area is flooded then the people in that area will likely believe that the entire world was flooded.

As far as the supposed discoveries of "ancient stuff that nobody can explain where they came from", I would certainly like to know what this "stuff" is and where it was found. I am sure they are easily explainable.

The "state of new orleans"? Wow, just wow. That comment makes my brain hurt.

No, it isn't. A four sided pyramid is far more structually sound than a three sided pyramid.

Secular - 1. Worldly rather than spiritual
2. Not specifically relating to religion or to a religious body

Anyways, c-14 dating is not as flawed as you seem to think it is. First, c-14 dating can only be used to date organic materials. C-14 goes through beta-decay and breaks down into nitrogen-14. Nitrogen-14 is not a naturally occuring element in organic material. Therefore, you do not need to know how much initial carbon-14 existed. You really don't need "differential equations" to figure it out.

If you want to know what happened in betwen cave drawings and "complex pictographic text" that is simple enough: civilization. Some genius figured out what causes plants to grow. Civilization rose around agriculture. The more people you get together, the more you need a more advanced form of communication. Thus, writing was born. There really is no mystery to it.