I have read bunches of books on UFOs and strange things,Crop
Circles, listened to Art Bell tell about his sighting of a
big black triange flying over his head, recorded many radio
programs telling me ETs are visiting our planet but I still
have this feeling that you people are pulling my LEG! Every
one who has a story to tell also has a book,a CD and/or a
video to sell. I know ufologists have to make a living and
speak to college students to bring in the bucks. On late nite
radio, I hear all about the "Time Traveler;John Titor and
that America hating,one armed man in Switzerland; Billy Meier,
who claims he is a contactee and has thousands of sharp,clear
photos of "Saucer Space Ships" that tell him about planet
Earth's future and how bad we Americans are.
Bob Lazar claimed he was working for the Area 51 people and
saw 9 ufo ships in a hanger once. He told his story many times
to Art Bell and others but Stanton Friedman researched Lazar
and does not believe his story....and I don't either.
So is there anyone with a good eye witness story or some real
hard evidence of the Alien presence here reply to me and try
to make me believe again?

Have you tried reading declassified government documents?

It sounds to me like you have a logical and very sharp head on your sholders,and thats a good thing.It may not be perfect, but the scientific method is the best yet found for acquiring a working knowledge of physical reality.

The argument advanced here and on many other sites is that the simplest explanation for the available data on Unidentified Flying Objects is that they are alien space ships. However, as far as I am aware, there is nothing in the data that justifies the inclusion of extraterrestrials.

As far as I know, no UFO has been reliably observed arriving from, and returning to, deep space in a controlled, non-ballistic manner. As far as I know, no UFO fragment has been shown to have a composition or microstructure indicative of an extraterrestrial origin.
As always "Unknown" is NOT proof of aliens.

All of what you said... It's not just you. This is how I feel too. I believe that it is because there has been no hard evidence presented, that your mind is starting to rethink everything. One of the big issues of skepticism is being too skeptic. You need to keep a logical viewpoint, so that your mind doesn't carry you away (this does happen, whether you notice it or not), but you also need to have a certain degree of "believerism" (like it or not, it's now a word ). If you have only a one-sided view, you will get lost in it. If you are too strong of a skeptic, you will always demand more hardcore evidence/proof, even if a reasonable amount of proof is available (not talking about anything in particular, just in general). Double standards are used a lot too. Like if a scientist does a study, and the conclusion of the study disproves what they were skeptical about, they will want to see the credentials of the scientist, and probably have the study repeated by another scientist. But if the study proves what thy say, that will be good enough for them. The same negativity can be placed on believers, who want to believe too much. If they believe something, and they are only going on circumstantial evidence, they will try to put the burden of proof on the skeptics. This does not work, you can't use the burden of proof that way, like "Aliens don't exist?... Prove it! You can't? Oh, than...", you see? Also another major issue is that people misinterpret what UFO means. A believer caught up in their own mind will almost always associate a UFO to an alien spacecraft. I'm sure we all know what U.F.O. really means, so I won't explain it, but the UFO phenomenon is real, it is fact. It is the purpose, or the origin of these UFOs that we have to wonder about. Jumping to conclusions will almost always lead to a bad idea, or an idiotic claim. Keep your mind open, but use a filter for god's sake!



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ok this is the way i look at it More photos of UFO are taped or shot at night....any object that is flying in the sky is usually considered a UFO by every human. Expecially at night because we can't see the object to say its a 747, or a small air plane...we can only see lights on the plane. So the thing is that at night every object floating in the sky is and should be considered to the average joe a UFO...because our eyes can not adjust to the object.

Well i could be considered an average joe, and I can tell if its a known aircraft as they use blinking lights.

I see hundreds of planes a night and know exactly what they are, where as ive seen 3 UFOs in my time, and they were all no way known aircrafts, birds, leaves plastic bags or shooting stars.

Now if aliens used a blinking light aswell, then there is a probelm

Are you telling us that you can say if a flying object is terrestrial or alien,based on their blinking lights!?

I've generally been skeptical on UFO's, but not without reason. Like you, I've read a lot of books, and done a lot of research (I did a presentation on UFO's as a research project for school).

I have the same thing you are having. I want to believe that there is other life out there. But its hard to believe that because first of all my belief is weakening and second of all on this forum im getting so many mixed messages from people on this forum that its hard to believe in what i want to believe in because of these messages. on top of that these messages that i get are confusing me. and there keeping me from believing what i want to believe in my heart, soul, body, and mind. I dont know when it will get any better. But for now ill remain confused and having no beliefs what so ever about anything. right now ill question everything out of the normal. even my own religion i question. but anyway i know what your going through. hang in there kiddo. it will get better soon.

love and light,

mac

unless you have something that is enhancing your vision at night....Now if you are saying by lights you can tell what the object is...I'd love to put you to the test and show how incorrect you are. Even if the lights are blinking you cannot identify the object by the blinking light. You can only assume it's an Airplane, helicopter, or jet...other then that you can never be 100% positive it is what you assume it is as night. This is why most hoaxers use night stills or night video to create a hoax that cannot be detected as being fake.

I am telling you that every single earthly plane that flies over head has a blinking light, therefor If I see a blinking light in the sky I will never assume its a UFO, as I can identify it.

wether alien crafts use blinking lights too is another story

Of course I can only assume, what else could I possibly do?

I was merely saying, in reply to xstortionist's post, that I, as an average joe, will not assume 'every single light in the night sky is a UFO' as 99% of them blink, therefore I ASSUME they are normal aeroplanes and go about my business.

You people need to stop trying to prove everybody wrong for even the smallest comments and contribute to the debate in hand

edit- I claim only to have seen 3 UFOs in my life, and this is because A. the light did not blink like a commercial planes does but was infact in all 3 cases a bright continual blue-ish light. B. the velocity was from my perspective much much higher than that of any plane ive ever seen. C. one of them made a manuver that is impossible to any plane or even helicopter that ive ever seen.

It's because your are still young, and eager to find something to believe in. But you don't want to be alone in your beliefs, so you look for other people to agree with you. When they don't, you try to find another theory. It is hard to know what to believe in, because believing in something and knowing it's the truth are two very different things. When you first heard about the reptilians, you probably thought it was a load of crap, right? But then as you read more, and kept hearing about it more and more, it seemed almost plausible. But not too many people are going to put their reputations on the line by saying that they believe that repilian entities are controlling the world...That's where the dilemma comes in. Being young, you still feel the need to fit in, but you want to know the truth. And since people have very different opinions, you don't know which way to go. I hope this is right, because if not, this was a whole waste of time... And you know what Mckenna? Believe what you want to believe. If people don't agree, or believe you, or think your weird...screw 'em! Maybe you're right, who knows? But don't let other people opinions effect what you believe, because opinions are just that, opinions. Until the truth comes out, no one is wrong.



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People with reputations on this site or in the real world?

It doesn't matter. Think about it.
To a certain degree, everyone wants to feel excepted. And making a claim like that doesn't do too much for your image.


Mind Freak has spoken!

A lot of people here seems to think so.
But then again they dont have the information about the strobe light that you do,UFOs to some are IFOs to others.

They are here. They exist among us and they have for years. They breathe and live beside us everyday. They are aliens and not the illegal kind, but the intergalactic ones.

I have been researching the existence of life other than ours for the past 3 years. Most of my findings have been online. I have also read a fair amount of Sci-Fi.

I believe that the government is fully aware of the situation involving extraterrestrial life here on earth. I believe that they are holding hostage the very creatures they deny exist. They are torturing them, prodding them, dissecting them and ultimately they are finding there weakness and killing them.

You are suggesting that a main reason for people not shouting their belief in reptilians aliens being on our planet is because it will damage their reputation.
I completely disagree, this may be the case for the small minority, but I think the main reason why we don't get many people saying that they believe in this is because it is a ridiculous idea.

No, you took that out of context... I was only using that as an example of the different ways people change their opinions on things.










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Betty and Barney Hill were abducted in the 1960s and they never really tried to cash in on their story by writing and selling books in their name. There was a television movie, but I don't believe they benefited financially.

Betty was also shown a map that detailed the star system where the aliens were from. This star system was not scientifically and officially discovered until several years later.

Maybe you should do some research on their story.

Also, the Mexican, Brazilian, and Belgium governments do very little to conceal or deny knowledge of alien activity within their country's borders. (I think Russia and India, as well, to an extent, but I'm not entirely sure.)

Perhaps you should check out stories and such from those locations, if by chance you are relying solely on American stories.

Disclosureproject.org might also interest you. Maybe.

Do's no one belive that we are being fed informaton about ufo's,et's and other kind s of phenomenon.this could keep us away from finding out something big e.g like the goverment is using ufo s as a escape goat for something that would cause mass panic all over the world if anyone found out.If you dont believe in ufo 's or et's you should believe that the goverment knows something that they dont want anyone to find out .When I say goverment I do not mean bush or white house am thinking more of a higher standard.If (sorry if I offend any bush believers)power mad bush is sorting out his wars finding where he will get money from next he wont give a shxt about ufo's or what not there has to be some kind illuminatai group involved in keeping something which may or may not be ufo's away from us.

Well I believe in aliens, but I not because of evidence of them coming here, just because of the size of the universe! Even if not a single alien has reached earth, I still think there out there...the universe is simply huge. =P

Might I suggest reading more science and less science fiction? Also, keep in mind that anyone can say or write just about anything and present it as truthful...that doesn't make such statements irrefutable, verifiable evidence.

In order to really support the existence of alien life, you're going to need a bit more than this type of researching. To my knowledge, the evidence needed to support the existence of extra-terrestrial life is not (at this time) available online, or anywhere else for that matter.

Frankly, I think we're going to have to venture "out there" into the universe to find the answer to the question of alien life.

I have seen many UFO's, but just because I couldn't identify them, doesn't mean they came from outerspace.

First off I believe in alien life and UFOs definitely exist and I don't mean unidentified flyi... I mean very advanced aircraft (hum.. still ufos ).
I've seen star like lights in the sky 2 times, first time from my sister's room window, there were 2 star like objects up in the sky just like stars moving close to each other, they maintained their speed for a couple seconds but then they speeded up and vanished in the sky. The second time I was out in the park with some family and I noticed a light (just like a star) moving at a speed that seemed much superior to common aircraft, after some seconds it vanished and some minutes later after me and my sister walked away from my family to another place in the park I spotted the object again. The light was right above us and it was descending but as soon as I looked it begun ascending very fast and dissapeared from sight. I wonder what might have happened if I didn't looked up.. beam me up scotty!
BTW I don't know who is flying these things but if they're from USA I wonder what's so interesting about me or my sister.. but I've never seen them again, I think they lost interest in me
Anyways I believe they're alien visitors because being from USA or other country just doesn't make much sense at least I don't see a reason for them crossing the atlantic just to see me.

Hope you understand, english isn't my idiom.

I don't know of anything to tell you to make you believe in them...I could assist you in the other direction though. If you consider the closest star is approximately 4.4 light years away. Many believe that this is the best place to look for ET lifeforms. Seems relatively close doesn't it? Only 4.4 light years away. But how far away is that really? You can try the math yourself.

Speed of Light, in MPS = 186,282.398

Seconds in One Year = 31,536,000

One Light Year in Miles = 5,874,601,690,713.6

Miles to Alpha Centauri = 25,848,247,439,139.8

That is almost 26 trillion miles. Compare that to the distance to Mars = 35 million miles.

Then ask yourself this question: If ETs can travel through space at speeds fast enough to get here in a resonably short period of time...why would they be wasting their time and energy hanging around Earth?

We're entertaining to watch.

I've seen the very same thing...check this post i put up last week

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=55861

The amazing thing is that it appeared to be showing off for me also !
Or saying "look we're here" but no one will believe you
I dont know what the hell these things are but if they're black ops military what the hell arey doin putting on performances over Southern Ireland ?Dont they have better places to be ?
Anyways ......i'm glad that we've seen exactly the same thing ....So if we now follow the Uber Sceptics logic on here....Somebody terrestrial now has technology that can just dissapear ,fly right hand turns at incredible speeds ,change direction or up and down incredibly fast.......i wish i knew what they were

Has anyone read about the alien implants? I saw a book in a used book store on it once and know nothing else about it.

You might wanna use the search function, just a tip.

The infinite wisdom some people have...




Mind Freak has spoken!

Come on buddy, do you not see how ignorantly closed-minded that question is?

There could be an infinite amount of reasons... also there is nothing to suggest that they would actually be wasting any energy at all, infact they might not even be wasting time! we really cannot say

I agree. That's like asking me why you come on here and talk...I can't say, I don't know you. You have your own reasons, and I won't even begin to guess. If we were to actually answer that question you proposed (Joc), we would have about 200 pages of s***. You can't speculate as to why other things are doing stuff, you just know they're doing it.





Mind Freak has spoken!

The vast amount of distance is enough of a fact to convince me that no one is traveling here from there.

Hey!


Just becasue you're not entertaing enough to warrant traveling 4+ light years to see you doesn't mean the rest of us aren't.

I think that aliens exist, but I do not believe that they do. In order for me to believe in something, I have to see facts. In the flesh, no pics or videos. Until I believe in something, I just think.

Now that's funny!

Well done in just displaying to everyone how close-minded you are

But hey its not your fault, blame it on society right

We are, without a doubt; living in extraordinary times. With the video technology we have now, it is easy to create convincing fakes of UFO's and aliens. What is needed now is discernment and logic. You make a very good point. Ufology is not nor ever has been an exact science, IF it can even be called a science.

It is clear that SOMETHING is going on here on Earth. We haven't been to the moon in almost 30 years, and now they want to go back? Why? We have a state of the art national space station. And now there are rumors that America wants to establish a space station on the moon to intercept alien space craft and to better observe their comings and goings.

My point is this, take your beliefs about aliens as far as sanity will allow. But never stop wondering and asking questions.



Was that a ufo you saw? Nah, it was a weather balloon.

Me too.. and I wonder how many more ppl around here had similar experiences, or maybe even more amazing! And like you said if they're military there's no logic on what they're doing. Maybe the sceptics around here can give us an explanation about this? Let's suppose they're from Earth.. then why would they behave like that?

You people have obviously watched way to many episodes of Star Trek!

You readily believe in some kind of transportation system that can exceed the speed of light.
There is no transportation system of any kind. Did it ever occur to any of you that the possibility of traveling faster than light may not even really exist (except in Hollywood)?
I'm closed minded because I refuse to delude myself with idiotic premises?
Perhaps the ETs just sprinkle fairy dust on their spacecraft and do it that way! Perhaps they don't even exist! " Oh I know they exist...I have seen them" is a delusionary way of thinking.
Many of you same folk insist there is no God...yet you have faith in something as whacko as warp speed. Thank you for listening!

So do you mean seeing is believeing doesn't count anymore?

'You people'

What people? You assume way too much. You have never met me nor do you even know my beliefs on the subject, i never once said i outright believe in any of it... Im just posing the possibilites, and just because you cannot fathom how to travel such far distances (more probable that space-time is bent rather than travelled across at lightspeed) does not mean some other kind of entity has not. Although Im more inclined to think that certain UFOs witnessed are more likely to come from our very own planet than anywhere else. Like I say im just posing possibilites, stop assuming so much about my character and trying to stereotype people who care to open their mind slightly further than what written science tells them.

here is a relevent quote

First off I don't give one rat's a about what people think! I happen to know you cannot believe what you do not see. I have seen a U.F.O. within 100 yards. watched the thing for two hours two years in a row, in the very same place at first I did not figure out what I was looking at (as I could not see the craft itself because of the plasma field around it.) The plasma field was about 200 ft. in diameter glowing deep purple and blue sort of like looking at a black light. Now this is why you cannot believe: some people can see these and others cannot. For the people that were working with me on both occasions could not see this thing. I was operating a snow cat at a ski area and was able move around and up and down the MT. therefor was able to observe this from many different angles. Below, level, and above it. I believe that they had been mesmerized into not seeing it (mind control?) perhaps. And NO I AM NOT PRONE TO FANTASY OR HALLUCINATIONS

That quote only makes sense if you accept the premise that there are other intelligent life forms. And the whole idea of space-time being 'bent' is proposterous. That lame theory was proported by those who knew they had been beaten at the faster than light game. Gimme a break. I have heard the theory explained by the father of it...can't remember his name...but the theory is so full of holes that it could pass as swiss cheese.

ok

And Galileo was excommunicated from the church for saying the world was not the centre of the universe,and the world is not flat,
Never assume we know everything about science or speed or anything for that matter.....those who say "this is all thats possible and thats it " usually end up with egg on their faces.
Who the hell knows whats possible when it comes to travelling the universe or Galaxy ? i mean how could we possibly know....we've only been to the moon ffs ! we have taken one baby step outside our comfort zone and we have self proclaimed experts telling us what is and whats not possible in this vast vast universe.....even our physics is still in it's relative infancy......For example worm holes are a theoretical possibility ...why not this way of getting around ? I'm no physicist but i know there are many theories on getting around the Galaxy quickly....what the hell do i know ? i'm no Stephen Hawking....and neither are any of us here.....so who knows what the hell is possible ,To me these guys who shout it's impossible to get around because of the vast distances just sound closed minded and should really start opening up to possibilities....in a hundred years time what we know now about travel will seem ancient and old hat....it has always been so.
I'm sure that back in 1700 if a scientist had said that one day it will be possible to cross continents in 3 hours ...the nae sayers would have concluded IMPOSSIBLE based on what we know to be true......what about what we dont know ?

Faster-than-light travel will probably remain science fiction,but of course,we can all hope it that it doesn`t.

It looks though as nature has a built in speed limit.
(186,000 miles (299,300 kilometers) per second.

Imagine a spacecraft capable of "only" 10 percent the speed of light. Such a craft could make the 4.3 light-year trip to Alpha Centauri, the nearest star system, in about 43 years, though slowing down would be a problem. Stopping would take aleast another 43 years years.

Making such a long trip possible would require the use of a multi-generational crew of men and women, along with all the supplies they would need as a society.

Not to mention the other problems with long-term space missions that could last more than one generation.

Agreed ......but based on everything WE know .My point is WE dont know everything ......we dont even know half of what we dont know.....if you catch my drift

That's why ANYTHING is possible...









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