^An example right here!^
A typical violent Christian.....read the link I provided and find out.

1) It's an example of the pot shots Atheist make at Christians. Maybe to make themselves feel better, I don't know.

Those were your words zero!

Wich were a joke. Then you acted as if I was serious and attributed it to me being Christian wich was wrong.

That won't happen because the good Christians will stop them. I'll do a clothes line and a choke hold if I have to.

laugh.gif There is NOTHING in your post to indicate a joke....

ZeroShadow:

I sure hope not! In fact, I hope no one here or anywhere else ends up in a place like that!

Hearing such stories saddens me. I will say a prayer for everyone, including me, that we get to enjoy the "Tree of Life".

I am more afraid that the christians will take completely over again and start forced conversions and executions. I fear neither Lucifer nor Jesus, just his followers.

But look at Satan, he was cast out from the Heavens, yet he walks free with his Will and Ego intact, intent on battling God (according to the Abrahamic Bible) from what HE believes in.

If he can survive seperation, I'm sure we can too.

For his part, the God who gives peace will crush Satan under YOUR feet shortly. May the underserved kindness of our Lord Jesus be with you.

all paths lead to god.

Infrazael:
You don't really believe that do you? Satan's reign on Earth is quickly coming to an end. As stated in Romans 16:20:
He (Satan) & His followers will be cast in the Lake of Fire at His (God's) prescribed date. Satan has been permitted by God to reign the Earth. Once his 1,000 year reign is over, he will bound & tossed into the abyss & sealed not to mislead the nations until the thousand years are over.

Your actions will not go unaccountable. Everything you do, good or bad, will be written in the Book of Lambs. Please, I deplore you, not to continue this mindset.

the bible could've well been changed in favor of satan and the anti christ to propagate their lies,

Infrazael:
You don't really believe that do you? Satan's reign on Earth is quickly coming to an end. As stated in Romans 16:20:
He (Satan) & His followers will be cast in the Lake of Fire at His (God's) prescribed date. Satan has been permitted by God to reign the Earth. Once his 1,000 year reign is over, he will bound & tossed into the abyss & sealed not to mislead the nations until the thousand years are over.

Your actions will not go unaccountable. Everything you do, good or bad, will be written in the Book of Lambs. Please, I deplore you, not to continue this mindset.

the author of revelations copied this adorable tale from the writings of zoroaster.Plagiarism is not true spirituality. a lovely myth, but a copy of several old pagan tales.

Really? I thought the consensus here was that it was written as an attack on the Romans of that day!

Oh dear, there are conflicting ideas.... who is right, who is right??? Oh the choices we must all deal with

Regards, PA

I thought I was the only one here who had pointed out that revelations was mainly a political tract!-pa-I was only referring to the dragon and the lake of fire segment.zandore or someone else knew about the zoroaster connection. I'm not that familiar with zoroaster;I was making an abstruse reference to an earlier post by someone else.sorry. I thought everyone else would "get" the reference.

and that one just flew over your head at supersonic speed!

I was only referring to the dragon and the lake of fire segment.zandore or someone else knew about the zoroaster connection.

What was that Quote about a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent?

! Hey! Who's been reading my sig without my permission!?

On a fun note!

Ok, I've noticed a lot of people on this forum always speak of hell, either to warn of its dangers, or to claim it's non-existence, or to refute a Christian on semantics, or to show how cruel God is to send his creation to this place, or...... you get the idea.

But it seems many have different ideas on what hell actually is. So, when you post about hell, what do you think it is.

For the purposes of this poll, I have left out "it doesn't exist" so people can actually discuss their perceptions of hell and not just fall back on this answer. Edit: I know many do not believe in hell, so for those, what is your perception of this mythical place called hell?

Let us know what you think.

Regards, PA

but what if one does think it does not exist? how is it falling back on an answer if that is the answer?

Hyper - Because I'm trying to find out what people's perception of it is. Skeptics here don't believe in hell, yet they always post about it and I want to know their perceptions, not their beliefs

A non-Christian for example will say "Geez, your God is soooo loving he'd torture his creation for all eternity". In this case, the perception of hell would be a place of torment and eternal damnation.

See what I'm saying.

So, for those who have recently made sweeping statements on hell being a place of torture (not mentioning any names zandore and FluffyBunny),

GOOD NEWS for all of you us that are going to hell:

Hades, The Underworld - Faced with budget cuts and an unexpected rise in oil prices, the fires of Hell may soon be extinguished, a leaked Department of Justice report confirms.

Source

Something I posted earlier on this thread

But i have always seen hell a place where one is trapped temporarily, kinda like a purgatory, or limbo, but with more hateful spiteful things in it, you in life would have deplored.

Hell is a lack of wisdom and not moving forward to progress. Hell is not a place. (Cecil)

Hell is a spiritual condition we create by being away from God until we choose to return to God. Hell is a spiritual condition that is totally devoid of love. (Sandra Rogers)

Hell refers to levels of negative thought-forms that reside in close proximity to the earth realm. It is where we go to work out, or remain within, our hang-ups, addictions, fears, guilt, angers, rage, regrets, self-pity, arrogance, or whatever else blocks us from the power of our own light. (P.M.H. Atwater)

Hell contains people who have been alcoholics or drug addicts, who find these cravings still with them after death. They stay near the earth to be near alcoholics or drug addicts who are still in the physical body, in order to participate vicariously in the sensations which alcohol and drugs give. They can be helped in the world beyond to clear their soul bodies of these cravings so that they, too, may go on and progress. However, this is a long and tedious process. (Margaret Tweddell)

After death people gravitate into homogenous groups according to the rate of their soul's vibrations much like throwing a small pebble into a threshing machine. It goes into the box that fits its proper size and weight. After death, we are sorted by the high or low vibrations of our soul. Everyone goes where they fit in! High vibrations indicate love and spiritual development, while low vibrations indicate debasement and evil. All one has to do is to love so unselfishly that their soul-vibrations rise high enough to fit into heaven. (Arthur Yensen)

Concerning hell, heat is molecules in motion, while cold is their lack of motion. Likewise, love is a fast vibration of the soul, while hate is a slower vibration. Complete love would be God, while complete hate would be death, leaving the soul extinct. (Arthur Yensen)

Hell is the pain, anguish, hurt and anger that you have caused others or who suffered as a result of your actions/words to others. Hell is what you have created for yourself within your soul by turning your back on unconditional love, compassion and peace. (Tina)

What people call hell is really a spiritual time-out condition in which souls reflect and work out the things that blocked them from the power of their own light. (P.M.H. Atwater)

Concerning hell, heat is molecules in motion, while cold is their lack of motion. Likewise, love is a fast vibration of the soul, while hate is a slower vibration. Complete love would be God, while complete hate would be death, leaving the soul extinct. (Arthur Yensen)

Heaven and hell are spiritual states of being. They are not static states but are states in which there can be growth and progress toward ultimate wholeness of being. (Margaret Tweddell)

After death, if a soul has been too bad, they go to a realm of lower vibrations where their kind of thoughts can live. If they entered heaven, they would be annihilated by the Master-Vibration of God. This is because souls gravitate into groups according to the rate of their soul's vibrations. If the percent of discord in a soul is small, it can be eliminated by God; then the remaining good can live on in heaven. However, if the percentage of bad were too high, this couldn't be done, and the person would have to gravitate to a lower level and live with people of his own kind. Birds of a feather, flock together. (Arthur Yensen)

Since I had lived such a totally self-serving existence, I was in a hellish state of indescribable agony and sorrow. I was in shear agony. I still remember being on my knees while this blinding light broke and crushed my false-ego. This breaking process was extremely painful. (Daniel Rosenblit)

Negative thoughts cannot be expressed in the heavenly realms - only positive ones. (Ned Dougherty)

God is the Master-Vibration who neutralizes all negative thoughts so that you think only the good thoughts, such as love, freedom and happiness. (Arthur Yensen)

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research14.html

PA where have I made the statement that hell was a place of torture or even a place that I believed in?

You have to believe in it for it to be real for you!


It's all good PA I forgive you

but only a hateful creator would send most of us to hell. Nope, I will continue to believe in a loving, caring God who doesn't send people to everlasting torture. not your god, but the real one.