I'm talking about the REAL WORLD. Reread my post zero, there is a message in it from the real world.

This is from the link from hyper:


An atheist shouldn't be considered a citizen of the US?
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All Latins? How many Latins does HE know to say that?


Now, not all Christians are like that, but those guys... yeesh...

There's quite a few current world leaders and men of persuasion on that list...
if that's not alarming to you then how do you think we atheist feel when confronted by authority that disagrees with us solely on what we do or don't believe
no one is saying you are a bad christians zero it's just statements that were made that should be brought to the attention of the world... although most of the US might agree with those statments... which is sad for someone like me but hopfully in the future they will open their eyes and be more accepting of all people....

one point i would also like to point out is that these are the people who are in the news and are putting a face on your religion if you don't agree with that then why vote them in to offices of power ect.
they are your christian represenators to the world...

Like I said, anyone who puts violence on someone else for not believing what they believe should be put into jail. And anyone who is disrespectful to another person because they don't believe the same things should be slapped across the face. =P(Ohhh that last comment will bring stuff up like "Oh, you're violent... BECAUSE YOUR'RE CHRISTIAN!).




I'm in no religion at all. And I can't vote because I'm underage, and even if I was, I wouldn't vote.

you would not vote? oh well..... you could go for revolution.

you say those that espouse ideas of trampling on others should be thrown in jail. Noam Chomsky wrote on the freedoms of america. The first 4 are well known: freedom of speech, freedom of worship, freedom from want, and freedom from fear. Chomsky proposed there is a 5th freedom: the freedom to rob, exploit, and dominate, "to undertake any course of action to ensure that existing privilage is protected and advanced".

As you can see, those americians quoted are merely exercising their rights.

Funny how that fifth right has a lot in common with christianity. No wonder the most exploitive, the most intent on dominating, are also the most vocal for christianity.

I only see that it has alot in common with ignorant people, not Christianity. The bible doesn't teach of any of the non-sense they do. They completley disregard the ten commandments and call themselves Christians. How sad.

you need to study the religion, and not just the doctorine designed to keep the masses under control, zero.

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are structures of control and dominance.

In your opinion. If it was used to control people a long time ago, it didn't do a good job now did it? First, people say it's used to control people, then you say it's brought about more harm and death than it has good. Whoever wanted to control obviously didn't want killing to be done. Thy shal not kill. An as odd as it may seem, according to you many many men agreed that having sex before marriage was wrong, with no real reason to believe so.

Mmmmm i see a lot of people around me doubting God more and more each day and thats their business and its fine by me. I will always believe in my higher power. I have my reasons to believe. I find a lot of people stop believing in God because of situations in their lives where they feel they've been abandoned or treated cruely by God...I see it pretty often. I have severe asthma and almost died from it a few times, my cousin died at 13 years of age, my mothers suffered so much with numerous things like a giant tumor in her stomach, breast lumps, low blood, heart problems- my brother has severe anxiety attacks- basically so many things happen to everyone in ther lives- and the religious often blame God for their suffering in the world. I personally dont blame God- and when i dont blame God then i have no reason to judge him. I dont want to judge God. Things happen as they do. Life may suck at some points, but thats when you have to overcome the biggest obstacles with your own mind, body and soul- you have the power to...That doesnt mean you have to point your finger to God and turn your back on him. Basically yes more people are doubting God...Yet i believe God doesnt give you what you cant handle.

Ramster I'm sorry to hear about all of the ailments in your family. Those things would have happened with or without believing in a god. Genetics are the biggest culprit here. Your mom should get that stomach thing checked out it's probably a fibroid tumor, they can remove them these days. Your brother can get something for his panic attacks too.

Hi Hyper!

The fifth ammendment allows a person to not be recharged with the same crime over.

The whole double jeapordy thing.

With this right it just allows peace right. Although it does not set good examples for the US. I mean what if I stole shoes and stole them again. Would I be charged twice. How would I learn a lesson?

the 5th amendment protects against self incrimination 101.

"Double jeopardy" refers to being charged with the same crime.

If you were arrested for stealing shoes on Monday, and went to trial on Tuesday and were found not guilty. Then you cannot be re-charged on that same incident, even if you later confess.

Of course, if you were then arrested on Wednesday for stealing ANOTHER pair of shoes, then you would be tried for that offense.

Oh okay thanks. That makes it all clear.

Remember that movie Double Jeopardy. Wow she is soo pretty.

Pretty much...Please note it only applies to final judgements, I.E. - A verdict of guilty or not guilty must be entered into record. Dismissed cases are NOT subject to double jeopardy.

that is why I said 'found not guilty', but your clarification is correct.

Just pointing it out. Been in enough courtrooms to hear people scream double jeapordy when it didn't apply even though they think it did.

Quite the contrary, it has done a wonderful job at controlling the masses and excercising its will to dominate.

As to the fifth freedom, the term "fifth freedom" as termed is not a declared freedom in any constitutional document, but an unwritten freedom.

The founders of the constitution were fully aware of the double edged sword they were implementing with the Bill of Rights, and the 5th could very well be used to facilitate unlawful people not being convicted, it does however make government collusion with private entities establishment of tyranny a tad more difficult to achieve...Took them awhile this time around to make justice a thing only poor need worry about, but *shrug* they also knew government needed to be revitalized through election & or revolution from time to time...Unfortunately most people don't anymore....But I digress.

While it affords criminals rights, it also affords innocent people rights that are charged with crimes. Most systems until this time left the accused with the burden of proof to prove their innocence, and that is awfully hard to do while incarcerated. The 5th Amendment shifts burden of proof to the accuser to prove guilt, which is of course an entirely different dynamic. It for one placed safeguards on the criminals being the accuser, which is a common affair under government that affords the accused no rights. Of course it is becoming more evident our courts are bought and paid for and "justice" hinges on how many zeros you can put on a check...Dammit, getting off track again.

As far as what Chomsky said regarding the 5th Freedom, well, everyone has those freedoms anyway...Crime is a choice, or "freedom" if you prefer, and it doesn't matter under what system of government it happens...The only thing that changes is the penalties and ease of being prosecuted & or persecuted...Of course I'm a fan, he's got some ideas I really like, but I don't agree with all of them.

Concerning skeptical conversion? Who cares? It means people are thinking for themselves instead of letting someone else think for them...Of course you'd never know it going to church, GOP, or DNC rally!

I'm all for this skeptic conversion. I see it as natural human evolution. I knew the day would come some time in the future when there would be no more religion, we're science shall be our guide. While I most likely won't be alive in that day, since it could be hundreds of years ahead, I will be very happy if it comes when I'm alive.

Its just nature taking its course. More people realising that its just ancient crap, etc. And your all gonna criticize me for saying that but I feel that I can guarantee that day will soon come, and that Christianity and all religions are slowly dieing. ;3