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grendals_bane

I've heard a theory that UFOs that are seen as a ball of light(s) are in fact created from excess energy produced by the Earth. Apparently some research was done which involved plotting any reported sighting, in certain world locations.
The results of the research showed that the majority of these lights were spotted within a few miles of known ley lines. Now the theory goes that as ley lines give off energy (many ancient monuments were built along them), that there might sometimes be large energy bursts which then somehow form these mystery lights called Earth lights.


I thought this was an interesting idea and was wondering what anybody elses thought were.
Nirwana
Are they supposed to show intelligent behaviour too? I've seen lights in the sky before and I don't really think they're related to some kind of natural phenomena.
Tokoyo
I agree that the ball of light type of UFO is likely not an alien UFO per se, but I also don't believe it to be a natural phenomena. My guess is it's related to the orbs people see.
Rainbow Rowan
I am sure that there are energy orbs which could account for a portion of the UFO sightings, although there are many more that could be alien spacecraft.
hazzard
QUOTE(Tokoyo @ Dec 6 2005, 05:15 AM) [snapback]963370[/snapback]

My guess is it's related to the orbs people see.


Orbs are a clear-cut case of flash reflection off of dust, particles, insects, or moisture droplets in the air in front of the camera.

Orb photos are most commonly gained using digital cameras and built-in flash. As cameras became smaller, the distance between the lens and the built-in flash also shrank, decreasing the angle of reflection back into the lens.

There are a number of possible causes for orbs in photography and videography.

Solid orbs - Dry particulate matter such as dust, pollen, insects, etc.
Liquid orbs - Droplets of liquid, usually water, e.g. rain.
Foreign material on the camera lens.
Foreign material within the camera lens.
Foreign material within the camera body.
Knothere
In 1992 while living in a small town outside Hemet CA I saw witnessed what I can only describe as "ball lightining" that came out of the ground at roughly 5:00 in the morning. Very shortly thereafter the 7.2 Yucca valley quake roared through.

Basically I saw flashing in the sky coming from the ground then a blue ball acting like a Tesla experiment gone awry bounce down a mountian side for about 3 seconds before it disappated. Of course I was like wtf! then the quake hit.

I have related this experience to many people, and the only pepole that don't think I'm nuts are scientist, including one physics professor at KSU that is familiar with the area & a good personal friend...Basically they all agree, they would have loooooved to seen what I did, and all believe I saw the real thing and the source was due to the geology of the region...Lots of quatrz, and BIG pieces of it...I'll let you people figure it out from there.

What does that have to do with UFO's? Well, some scientist think is has alot to do with it...Granted, ball lightining is not common, impossible to document, and reliant upon eyewitness accounts, but it's certainly a pretty plausible theory.
hazzard
QUOTE(Knothere @ Dec 6 2005, 11:59 PM) [snapback]964566[/snapback]

In 1992 while living in a small town outside Hemet CA I saw witnessed what I can only describe as "ball lightining"


Did it look anything like this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ball_Lightning.jpg


There is as yet no widely accepted explanation for ball lightning.
A popular hypothesis is that ball lightning is a highly ionized plasma contained by self-generated magnetic fields.
Tokoyo
QUOTE(hazzard @ Dec 6 2005, 02:12 AM) [snapback]963564[/snapback]

Orbs are a clear-cut case of flash reflection off of dust, particles, insects, or moisture droplets in the air in front of the camera.

Orb photos are most commonly gained using digital cameras and built-in flash. As cameras became smaller, the distance between the lens and the built-in flash also shrank, decreasing the angle of reflection back into the lens.

There are a number of possible causes for orbs in photography and videography.

Solid orbs - Dry particulate matter such as dust, pollen, insects, etc.
Liquid orbs - Droplets of liquid, usually water, e.g. rain.
Foreign material on the camera lens.
Foreign material within the camera lens.
Foreign material within the camera body.


A quaint description of what most net browsers will see in the way of orbs but I would like to know how you became the authority on exactly what *all* orbs truly are?
Knothere
QUOTE(hazzard @ Dec 7 2005, 01:47 AM) [snapback]965163[/snapback]

Did it look anything like this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ball_Lightning.jpg
There is as yet no widely accepted explanation for ball lightning.
A popular hypothesis is that ball lightning is a highly ionized plasma contained by self-generated magnetic fields.


Yup looks damn close to what I saw, but it was white, or at least bright enough to where I couldn't see color in it.
hazzard
QUOTE(grendals_bane @ Dec 6 2005, 01:14 AM) [snapback]963027[/snapback]

I've heard a theory that UFOs that are seen as a ball of light(s) are in fact created from excess energy produced by the Earth..... I thought this was an interesting idea and was wondering what anybody elses thought were.



Earth lights are an exceedingly rare anomalous light phenomenon,previously grouped under all-encompassing terms such as dragons, UFOs, and ball lightning before being recognized as a separate category.

They are possibly produced by tectonic strain in minor faults, and may therefore be created by the earth itself.

http://inamidst.com/alp/earthlights

Tectonic Strain Hypothesis for Anomalous Luminous Events.
http://www.laurentian.ca/neurosci/_research/tectonic.htm
*EnIgMa*
QUOTE(hazzard @ Dec 8 2005, 08:02 AM) [snapback]966996[/snapback]

Earth lights are an exceedingly rare anomalous light phenomenon,previously grouped under all-encompassing terms such as dragons, UFOs, and ball lightning before being recognized as a separate category.

They are possibly produced by tectonic strain in minor faults, and may therefore be created by the earth itself.

http://inamidst.com/alp/earthlights

Tectonic Strain Hypothesis for Anomalous Luminous Events.
http://www.laurentian.ca/neurosci/_research/tectonic.htm

Yes, quite possibly. The Earth itself is somewhat of a mystery. These orb-like things could account for a lot of the strange balls of light that people see... Has anyone ever seen that video of the orb over the crop circle? It showed the ball of light circling the crop circle, slow down, and then vanish from view. Anybody know what I'm talking about? It has been shown on many Crop Circle shows, on TLC, and Discovery.




Mind Freak has spoken!
hazzard
QUOTE(Tokoyo @ Dec 7 2005, 09:27 AM) [snapback]965192[/snapback]

I would like to know how you became the authority on exactly what *all* orbs truly are?

Like some people, I never take the least probable explanation first.
Ever heard of Occams razor?

"one should not increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything."

http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/OCCAMRAZ.html
*EnIgMa*
Following the footsteps of Lilly, are we Hazzard? original.gif
Anyway...true, true... no need to make complex theories when they are'nt needed...Stick with the simplest stuff, and bring new stuff in as you need it...If that made sense...




Mind Freak has spoken!
hazzard
QUOTE(Mind_Freak2012 @ Dec 8 2005, 04:33 PM) [snapback]967137[/snapback]

Following the footsteps of Lilly, are we Hazzard? original.gif


As far as science (system of acquiring knowledge based on empiricism, experimentation, and methodological naturalism aimed at finding out the truth) goes I`ll follow her anywere,I only wish more people here would do the same.
Lilly
QUOTE(hazzard @ Dec 8 2005, 06:56 PM) [snapback]967326[/snapback]

As far as science (system of acquiring knowledge based on empiricism, experimentation, and methodological naturalism aimed at finding out the truth) goes I`ll follow her anywere,I only wish more people here would do the same.


Well, thanks for the support, hazzard! user posted image But, I certainly don't have a "corner on the market" as far as critical thinking goes. There's an ancient Chinese saying, "The light of reason shines for all men". Anyone can (and should, in my opinion) develop solid, rational, logical critical thinking skills...useful in not only science but in all aspects of life. Attempting to go through life in a completely credulous state of mind isn't really a good choice for any us, not to mention being a very poor method of thought for solving anything unexplained! user posted image
snuffypuffer
I think it's about as good an explanation as any other. yes.gif
Lilly
QUOTE(Mind_Freak2012 @ Dec 8 2005, 01:15 PM) [snapback]967008[/snapback]

Yes, quite possibly. The Earth itself is somewhat of a mystery. These orb-like things could account for a lot of the strange balls of light that people see... Has anyone ever seen that video of the orb over the crop circle? It showed the ball of light circling the crop circle, slow down, and then vanish from view. Anybody know what I'm talking about? It has been shown on many Crop Circle shows, on TLC, and Discovery.


Very interesting, good point, Mind Freak. I've never seen that footage, but my son has. I've heard that originally crop circles were just, well, simple circles! It wasn't until more recent times that the complex artwork showed up...right after the two fellows from England admitted to having made many crop circles. It seems to me that the ones that are beautiful works of art are generated by humans. However, what about the simple round ones? Could some type of geological/atmospheric force be at work there? Could the lights that are sometimes seen have anything to do with the formation of some circles? Lots of unknowns, lots of questions.
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fallingalien
I think some could be this but not all.

QUOTE(Tokoyo @ Dec 6 2005, 01:15 AM) [snapback]963370[/snapback]

I agree that the ball of light type of UFO is likely not an alien UFO per se, but I also don't believe it to be a natural phenomena. My guess is it's related to the orbs people see.


orbs aren't real, they're snow flakes, rain, and bugs

I know because it was hardly snowing, I took a picture and saw some orbs.

only digital cameras see them and that's why, it trys to make it more clear but it can't so it shows the picture wrong. but this is another story.
fallingalien
QUOTE(Mind_Freak2012 @ Dec 8 2005, 10:15 AM) [snapback]967008[/snapback]

Yes, quite possibly. The Earth itself is somewhat of a mystery. These orb-like things could account for a lot of the strange balls of light that people see... Has anyone ever seen that video of the orb over the crop circle? It showed the ball of light circling the crop circle, slow down, and then vanish from view. Anybody know what I'm talking about? It has been shown on many Crop Circle shows, on TLC, and Discovery.
Mind Freak has spoken!


yes but they're saying it's fake, the lights look too little and teh guy goes, "wow, amazing" like he saw a bird that ate burger king.
hazzard
QUOTE(Lilly @ Dec 9 2005, 02:10 AM) [snapback]967790[/snapback]

Attempting to go through life in a completely credulous state of mind isn't really a good choice for any of us,



Was it not our friend Jay Windley who said...

"It must be nice to live a life totally unburdened by reality." grin2.gif
Rainbow Rowan
Orb, ball lightning might be the source of round UFO's but I have seen 2 UFO's which were green and cylindrical and travelling verticle and horizontal respectively. So I don't see how it can be explained away with simple terms like these. grin2.gif
RedRaider9981
QUOTE(Mind_Freak2012 @ Dec 8 2005, 07:15 AM) [snapback]967008[/snapback]

Has anyone ever seen that video of the orb over the crop circle? It showed the ball of light circling the crop circle, slow down, and then vanish from view. Anybody know what I'm talking about? It has been shown on many Crop Circle shows, on TLC, and Discovery.
Mind Freak has spoken!
Yes, I have seen that video on tv many times, and let's not forget the strange military helicopter that flies after it very low to the ground...


QUOTE(fallingalien @ Dec 9 2005, 06:30 AM) [snapback]968307[/snapback]

orbs aren't real, they're snow flakes, rain, and bugs

only digital cameras see them and that's why, it trys to make it more clear but it can't so it shows the picture wrong. but this is another story.
Wrong. I have lived in a haunted house for over 13 years and the same 2 orbs have showed up in most of our Kodak 35mm paper prints, both inside and outside the house. Sometimes it's just one orb, but most of the time it's both of them. There are two ghosts that we have all seen with the naked eye, one is a woman and one is a little boy. They have been seen all over the property, not just in the house.

If you look closely, or scan a pic and zoom in on them, you can usually see their faces in the orbs. I have also seen yellow, purple, red, and white orbs flying through the backyard and once inside the house itself.

I know that some orbs may simply be dust or what have you, but this is not the case with mine. I guarandamntee it...
hazzard
QUOTE(RedRaider9981 @ Dec 12 2005, 04:57 AM) [snapback]971628[/snapback]

I have lived in a haunted house for over 13 years and the same 2 orbs have showed up in most of our Kodak 35mm paper prints, both inside and outside the house.


Maby you could post one or two of those pictures.
*EnIgMa*
QUOTE(hazzard @ Dec 12 2005, 03:48 AM) [snapback]971842[/snapback]

Maby you could post one or two of those pictures.

Yup, that sounds good to me too.



Mind Freak has spoken!
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