I'm new here and i have a pretty simple question on which i'm trying to find more info. about but i couldn't find it easily. My question is what do you guys think about Guardian Angels? Do you think they exist? I do think they exist. I need more info about this and any help is appreciated! Thanx guys!

Moving to a more appropriate forum.

I've kind of wondered about this one. I've never seen one, I have no real proof that they exist and there is no mention of them in hte Torah. On the other hand, if you believe in the Torah, or the Christian testemant, there is no reason to NOT believe in them either I guess. Personally, I think that it would be pretty cool if they existed. Even better if we could communicate with them.

If you want my contribution : I think these are myths created by man to hold onto something when in trouble. For example if EVERYTHINg is going wrong..one will still make courage as he "knows" that there is his guardian angel supporting him and guiding him.

Hmmm...................really depends, I believe in demons so yes perhaps there really are guardian angels, it would make sense wouldn't it?

There are verses which show that we have Guardian angels, from a certain order. They are 'recording angels'.

In my opinon yes they do exist if you have true faith in them

I dont Know if I fully belive in gardian angels. There are only nine choirs of angels all of them surve God 24/7.

Since 'life' is a test, I do not believe that we have spiritual partners, or 'Guardian Angels'. I think that we must tackle life by ourselves, only with faith as our guide.

When I was 9 I got a ladder and climbed on to the roof of my house to retrieve a tennis ball that got stuck up there. The ground was uneven. Dad came out and saw me climbing down, saw someone holding the base of the ladder steady, and came to help me down and scold me for doing something so stupid. He assumed the person holding the base of the ladder was my brother. But my brother was inside the whole time, and when i got down, the person holding the ladder was nowhere to be seen.

More spookily, moments after I'd gotten down, the ladder fell and broke.

I don't know what this person my dad saw was, but it could very well be a guardian angel.

Regards PA

I'm not sure if any angels are "assigned" certain people, or what.

I do know that angles purpose, first is to glorify and serve God, but then to serve mankind. I have alot, and I mean alot, of respect for angels (the one's who still serve God), and I believe that they interfere the actions of the Evil One, to protect us all the time. And I mean all the time, countless encounters of demons and Angels warring against each other every second. All of life, as I see it, is a spiritual war. Thing is, I know who wins, and it just so happens to the the Good Guy.

I have yet to see an angel that I have known was an angel, but I have no doubt that I have seen them before, taking the image of a man or woman.

So to answer your question, I'd say don't doubt the existance of guardian angels, untill the evidence is conclusive.

I think that "Gaurdian Angels" is a term that is loosly used. If you follow the Christian faith, then you will know that the Holy Ghost is always with you. I think that if you have faith, and you are in a time of need that you may have a "Gaurdian Angel" to get you through this time.

Although angels appear throughout the old and new testaments intervening on behalf of God in the lives of men, the idea of personal angels assigned specifically to individual people appears to only apply to infants and children below the age of accountability. Matthew 18:10 "See that you do not look down on one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven"

I think we have some strange companions throughout all our lives. I don't know if those are guardian angels or a product of our mind trying to defend us. But one thing is true, strange things have happened in my life and I have heard astonishing stories of other friends concerning them.

I sometimes believe we are like a lab experiment of an alien civilization and that we are assigned a guy who is taking notes all the time of our behaviour LOL

I'm new here as well. I'd like to believe that Guardian Angels exist. A couple of years ago, my Grandmother past on in April. Three months later, my two cousins, sisters aged 19 and 26, were taken from us in a tragic car crash. I can't help but believe that my grandmother past on first to guide my cousins to the afterlife. Maybe it's just my way of dealing, but, every once in a while, when I get to missing them, I feel a tingly cold spot between my neck and my shoulder and I feel okay with everything. This was where my grandmother use to plant a kiss to pull me out of a bad moment. I don't know if this means anything, but I wanted to share.

Welcome to UM and thanks for sharing suzycue.

My opinion is that it is a way of dealing with things so people attribute emotions and unexplained occurences to angels.

If I did have a guardian angel I am sure some of the things that have happened to me and my family would not have happened.

Whoa, Welsh Shaun - new avatar and sig. 'tis going to take some time getting used to

Sorry, back on topic

Regards, PA

oh, welcome to UM suzycue
Great story.

I don't think life is a test per se, although there are many times when it feels like it. I would suggest that life is an opportunity to learn, to grow as embodied spiritual beings.

I also believe there is more to existance than simply the physical world. And it is that other aspect or existence that affirms for me that "angels" truly exist. We are not alone in the sense that we are simply stuck here to figure it all out. It can seem that way when I get too focused on what I think of as the totality of existence limited to the physical world.

Different cultures discribe them different: angels, helping spirits, guides, the Communion of Saints. Some cultures that are far more in touch with Earth than their christian neighbors also acknowledge power animals and plants. And I am convinced that they are just as "real" the person standing next to me in the grocery store.

I think guardian angels are not neccessarily sent directly from God, even though I believe in Godly angels.
I do think some are our ancestors..

For instance; I had a very troubling time a while back. My granny, deaceased now, came to me in a dream that I was crying in.

In the dream I was crying so badly and so much in pain. Part of it was that she was gone and I could not have her support.
Anyway, in my dream she hugged me and held on to me until my tears were all gone.
As soon as I was done crying, I woke up. While I was waking I could hear her voice.

So, God may have certain angels around to keep us protected, but we also have our family and loved ones to watch over us too.

I believe that Guardian Angels are Angels that stand beside you all your life, recording your good and bad deeds. If God commands them, they can aid you in certain situations. They also protect you from the attacks of Satan.

God Bless.

I guess it depends on what religion you are pointing this at, although I can see your point. However, if you thought that I only said life was a test because it can feel like that sometimes, that's not what I meant at all . Of course we have our hard times on Earth, but the ones that are behind the curtain really matter. One of the reasons I believe this, is this simple idea: Angels or 'guardians' did not help mankind in Eden, therefore I believe that God has no wish to send Angels to aid us in this test. (only my personal view point...)

The phsyical world is definetely not the limit. I suppose Angels could exist beyond the phsyical world, if not in Heaven itself. As with demons. So, yes in a sense we are not alone....

Hello Lord Umbarger:

No mention of Angels in the christian Tohra? what book is that?
The Christian BIBLE are full of angels and Guardian Angels and by the
way I'm A firm beliver in Guardian Angels,to much had happen in my own live just not to belive!!

with that interpretation wouldn't God be awfully high maintanance for an omnipotent being?
also, I'd assume there's something in the bible that says helping others is for the good of God, thus making it so that if some angels helped people, they'd really be helping God.

I pray to my guardian angles all the time no shame in it

Well I believe in guardian angels...

my parents told me a story bout my brother that when he was a baby, he was near the end of their bed...my mom left him for a moment... when she comes back she sees my brother at the floor not crying...
but calm and ok...

my brother fell in the bed and should have been hurt and crying...but not... oh well my mom said he was saved by his guardian angel

I know gaurdian angels exist, but i cannot find the verse in the bible about them.

Can someone find it for me?

I like to call them spirit guides. The word "guardian' to me, sounds kinda authoritive. Anyway, I talk to mine all the time. I have a story that puzzles me to this day. I posted it here when I first became a member...

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...63801&hl=angels

A part of me really wants to try and find this girl, but another part wants me to leave it be and trust that it was my guide in the physical.

Guardian Angels are messengers from God who protect us from evil they are a thousand times a thousand they serve God and live in Modus Viviendi.They have powers which they use to maintain the balance in the universe an Angel called Micheal comforted Eve when she was in pain giving birth to Cain other Angels can control weather and even magnetic fields.

I think the concept of guardian angels is extremely christian influenced, obviously, but is a term loosely used by many to describe an outside influence of guardianship and protection, found in many religions not just christianity, animal totems, spirit guides, even in many branches of witchcraft wards are used which involved harnessing the residual energy of a dead animal from its remains, even the powers of nature and life are harnessed in such a way.
I studied wicca for a while until I determined that it's flouncy static way wasn't for me, and during this time alot of emphasis was placed upon the self creation (summoning) of these energies through intent. I still believe we are responsible for manifesting these entities in the main, not taking into account the guidance and protection of lost loved ones which could also be a factor of this "summoning" ward-like effect.
When I was fairly new to meditation I found a way to guide myself into a deep state was to call out internally to a third party, I knew alot about archetypal indoctrination and either way it didnt bother me if it was a manifestation of self or otherwise, I just wanted something to hold the other end of the rope..and it worked. To this day I believe this system worked as we remain somewhat seperated from our inner self in conscious being, with only indecipherable snippets of acknowledge from that core self in the form of intuition, fleeting precog etc. Later this develops to a heightened sense of syncronicity and symbolism in everyday life. This is know to wiccans as nemet/centre training..(I am the Raven that sits and whispers on your shoulder )
Many people have experimented with the creation of thought forms and images through visualisation and it is very possible to create an entity through will alone (need?) outside of ourselves but created by a focus of intentional energies from within.
Oh well, theres my 10 minute ramble on the subject What is possible can be imagined and what is impossible can be wished for..and you know what they say about wishes (they just might come true)

yes, i do belive, i also think that it is generaly someone who is related to us who had passed on.

Let me explaine a bit, in life, we are put forward in to positions and times of trials where we learn a lesson, sometimes we didnt get it the first time so sometimes a similar situration will happen again and we may learn what we needed to. Some lessons we pass, some we fail, think of it like school where we all have our own teacher who we can speak to and have them communicate back to us in some form but that is if we choose to acknolage them.

I belive that when it comes to angels, there are angels of diffrent levels, think of universtity, first you do ur bacholor, then ur post gradurate, then you have ur lectrures, ur PHD students, Dr's and Proffessors.

As we in our life time grow, learn and live, ( this is keeping in mind that we are re-incarnated) we either move up or down the classes. Where we are depends on how we behave unto others also, what we do for the earth and world around us. Eventuly once we have learned what we needed to we idealy become a lower class angel and procceed up the heirarchy, as we have done so in life.


gosh i hope that makes some sence, i find it diffficut to put across my ideas sometimes in text *sigh*

Your outlook is mirrored in various religious beliefs, especially buddhism, the concept of us returning again and again until we progress beyond the need to return. Known as "Bhodisatvas" or enlightened souls, who choose to come back and contribute in the physical..

Makes sense and is a viable theory, although I can't discount the possibility of thought projection in many cases, maybe its a little of both, through will we summon help, energy beacons so to speak (psychic morse code )

But opinion granted, and most definately respected.

thanks for ur input, ^^^i had no idea about ""Bhodisatvas" . And perhaps my limited knowlage about most religious has intern made me look around, inside myself as well as listen to my feelings and instincts.

Projection is could definitely be plausible, as we send energy out it comes back to us, as we all know that energy cannot me destroyed only transnsferred. So perhaps its our projected transference of energy?

I guess it really comes down to the individual, if you belive in something, then it is real and true in ur reality, regardless of that others may belive, as we all have our own set of belifes, morals, bias and motives...

**wanders off to ponder this more**

big respect you Henge Witch

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07049c.htm

Spiritualists and metaphysical churches also believe this. They also believe in 'angels' or 'spirit guides'. The spirit guides can be either "Bhodisatvas" (ascended masters) or even deceased relatives that wish to help loved ones left behind.

Something for Christians to think about is that Jesus spoke with the spirits of Moses and someone else (i forget who at the monent). It made Jesus's followers very frightened. I wonder why if Jesus was God, he needed to consult these spirits?? Or was he just having a friendly chat??

Or could it be he was a medium??

IMO...........YES they do exist

I pray to God every day to send his guardian angels to watch over my family without fail

Cite your sources.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07049c.htm and read this.

Becky's mom, there is a specific prayer to the gaurdian angel(s).

I already read the link, but thanks anyway.

I was at work when I posted, but now that I am home, here ar the sources for Jesus speaking to the spirits of Moses and Elijah.

AND XIANS, PLEASE READ THEM SO YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHY I AM SO FRUSTRATED WITH YOU

KJV: Mathew 17:3 (i hope i sited this right) the section titled

The True Glory of Jesus
(please read the whole section, as I will not copy everything)
"Jesus took Peter and the brothers James and John" with him up a mountain


" All at once Moses and Elijah were there talking with Jesus. So Peter said to him, "Lord, it is good for us to be here! Let us make three shelters, one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah."...

(I remembered wrong, the disciples weren't afraid of the spirits, they were a little bit shaken when God spoke however from a cloud) read it for your selves

See also

Mark 9.2-13 and Luke 9.28-36
Same section titles



And on reincarnation in the Bible (this may not be the correct thread for this, but here it is anyway:


Further more in that same section, Mathew 17:10 the disciples asked Jesus "Don't the teachers of the laws of Moses say that Elijah must come before the Messiah does?"

and Jesus responded KJV Mathew 17:11 "Elijah certainly will come and get everthing ready. In fact, he has already come........so on..."Then the disciples understood that Jesus was talking to them about John the Baptist" Sure sounds like reincarnation to me, i.e. Elijah according to the Bible reincarnated as John the Baptist.

There are other passages regarding John the Baptist and Jesus being reincarnations of earlier prophets.

Should I reference those also, or has this already been discussed on another thread???

So, why don't xians believe in reincarnation is something that really bugs me. I think they have been led astray by Saul and company!!!

If you are going to base your faith on Jesus, than for God's sake listen to him for once and not Saul and company of people that denied him !!!!!

No wonder I get frustrated with religion

Any comments???

Thank you.

Though also they(the teachings) could be intrepeted in more than one way. But this is just my opinion.

Your welcome, please excuse my venting in the post. Actually, I tried to go back and edit it to tone it down a little, but since I can't undo you're quote of my post, I guess it will have to stand.

Yes, the teaching can always be interpreted in more than one way. And that is why there are so many denominations of all of the religions. Even when they use the same scriptures, there's many differences of opinion as to the interpretation. I thought the sentences I quoted were in plain and simple English, but I have no doubt that, they can and will be interpreted differently to match the perspective of their different teachings.

Just like I interpreted them to match my perspective. So I apologize to the Christians who may have taken offense, I just have been kind of frustrated with religion lately, I should have contained my frustration and expressed myself differently.

But you realize also, Elijah went to heaven in his physical form right? So being reincarnated is out of the question if you look at it from a Christian stand point.

Nope, I do not believe they exist. People always say their Guardian Angel saved them from a brush of death or harm... But once they get hurt or killed... What was it then? Their guardian angel got drunk that day and just ignored them?

If you need to believe there is some invisible magical force that mirrors superman, that's just sad to me.

I was almost hit by a truck the other day, I jumped out of the way (good reflexs) and I saved myself. Some invisible thing with wings didn't grab me and pull me to safety.

im an atheist (due to my species and my own profound ignorance on the truths of existence) yet i do have a soft spot for the idea of very advanced beings that happen to assist other life forms occasionally when they are in need.

ya ever been walkin down the sidewalk and just happen to see an ant walking right in the spot your going to step? well im sure the ant would really appreciate it if one didnt step on him and crush him to death. i sometimes wonder if the same happens occasionally to us.

See. Being saved physically I think is rarely due to Gaurdian angels. No offense to anyone else here. Because they are meant to protect us SPIRITUALY, they are purely SPIRITUAL beings who only take physical form when necessary, and they may take any form they wish.

Can they save you physically? Well yeah. But. They would only do so if it is His divine will that you may serve yet a greater purpose on earth. Not just to save you from a truck if you're going to live out an average life filled with moderate/minimum prayer and then sinning and contradicting yourself entirely. Though they will be there when you die, to take you to heaven.

Unlike ants, we are not 'stepped on' by Satan on accident. It's on purpose. But it's more like, us being without armor on a battlefiled with personal full armored knights on a spiritual level. Demons can only hurt us if God lets them, or we let them and neglect God and his angels.

maybe.....the problem is that no one honestly knows. but you may be right..... but you have to admit, your answer is as plausible as any of the others and true, there is also those that would willfully kill other beings just to do it. if more advanced beings exist perhaps they do this occasionally as well. but as far as the christian take you have on this, its possible, but as i said, no more plausible than any other explanation

I believe in Guardian angels. If I didn't have one I turly beleive I would not be here right now.

No, I didn't because I haven't read the OT in a long time. Your point is valid, however, as I just looked that up. To paraphase, a stong wind came and took him up into a cloud (and then on to heaven, I guess).

I got the impression somewhere in the NT that people thought the John the B. and Jesus were the return of Elijah and Elisah, respectively. Elisah did die however. As for the rest of the prophets, who knows, as I don't have all day to research this and I am not a Bible scholar, as I don't believe it carries the Whole Truth or the Word of God ect.

(where the heck did I see that....)

I didn't find that (I could be wrong), but I did find this:

KJV Luke 9:18 Section: Who is Jesus:
......about Jesus
"They answered, "Some say that you are John the B. or Elijah or a prophet from long ago who has come back to life"

And this...

KJV Mathew 16:14 But the people answered, "Some people say you are John the B. or maybe Elijah or Jeremiah or some other prophet."

Did Jeremiah die or was he carried off into the clouds too? I don't know, it doesn't say. If he was carried off and he didn't die, don't you think that would have been note worthy. Or was being carried off into the clouds a common occurence in those days for prophets and oh so boring to talk about?

My post was really about Jesus talking with Moses and Elijah anyway, but I concede your point., oh 'chief of demons'

I hear ya ...I believe they watch over us

Yes the jews did ask Jesus if he was Elijah or some other prophet, but Jesus makes it clear later that this is not the case. That he is infact, the Son of God, sent here to die for our sins. Not Elijah or Jeremiah. But to answer your question, no, Jeremiah did not ascend to heaven in physical form.

I did not claim that it was the case. My point is that Jews at that period of time believed in reincarnation.

My two points from my original post were that Jesus spoke with spirits and that the Jews believed in reincarnation.

I think that I have supported my position, using the Bible as the source of my arguments.

What do you think?

Well. All Christians and Satanists believe in a spiritual afterlife obviously, so yeah in that sense I do believe in spirits like I said in the other thread. Not really GHOSTS, that are stuck. But spirits yes.

When they asked it I think they were more mocking him than anything but they may have believed in reincarnation. I don't think modern jews do though.